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Op
Profile Joined November 2012
73 Posts
December 01 2012 22:07 GMT
#1201
On December 02 2012 06:56 Goozen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2012 06:54 Saryph wrote:
Taking all the land you find desirable, and offering an equal amount of land you find undesirable doesn't sound like a very fair trade.

Most of the settlements are in the Desert, such as the city of Maleh Edumim. the fact that we would give them bad land in exchange is a assertion.


This is why it is important for both parties to negotiate as soon as possible, so everybody can build in places they both agree is theirs. Right how one party is clearly doing whatever they want (despite being nice enough to build in the dessert), while the other just has to accept what is happening (don't know the place in the dessert, maybe it is somehow special or strategic to them).
Op
Profile Joined November 2012
73 Posts
December 01 2012 22:10 GMT
#1202
On December 02 2012 07:03 Goozen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2012 06:56 Art.FeeL wrote:
On December 02 2012 06:44 ContrailNZ wrote:
An ideal solution is for Palestine to merge with Egypt, and give a decent amount of land from Israel to Egypt at the border.

There will never be peace as long as it is in Iran's benefit to provide weapons through Egypt to Palestine.

The stalemate will just carry on and on until Iran runs out of oil money. Then the middle east goes to hell, with maybe Israel surviving.


That's a terrible solution. The best solution would be along the '67 borders. The majority supports it excluding Israel.

Because its unidentifiable and Israel won it in the war. Not to mention this still wont solve the Refugee issue.


I thought the refugee issue was nearly solved last time. Anyway the Palestinians have to understand that it is impossible for everybody to go back to what were their grand-parents homes. On the other hand the Israeli government could compensate by officially buying this land. I thought last negotiations came close to a solutions similar to this, please someone correct me if I am wrong.
Goozen
Profile Joined February 2012
Israel701 Posts
December 01 2012 22:12 GMT
#1203
On December 02 2012 07:10 Op wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2012 07:03 Goozen wrote:
On December 02 2012 06:56 Art.FeeL wrote:
On December 02 2012 06:44 ContrailNZ wrote:
An ideal solution is for Palestine to merge with Egypt, and give a decent amount of land from Israel to Egypt at the border.

There will never be peace as long as it is in Iran's benefit to provide weapons through Egypt to Palestine.

The stalemate will just carry on and on until Iran runs out of oil money. Then the middle east goes to hell, with maybe Israel surviving.


That's a terrible solution. The best solution would be along the '67 borders. The majority supports it excluding Israel.

Because its unidentifiable and Israel won it in the war. Not to mention this still wont solve the Refugee issue.


I thought the refugee issue was nearly solved last time. Anyway the Palestinians have to understand that it is impossible for everybody to go back to what were their grand-parents homes. On the other hand the Israeli government could compensate by officially buying this land. I thought last negotiations came close to a solutions similar to this, please someone correct me if I am wrong.

Thats why they still want. Not to mention people forget the 800,000 Israeli refuges who were offered 0 compensation and all were forced off.
Op
Profile Joined November 2012
73 Posts
December 01 2012 22:14 GMT
#1204
On December 02 2012 07:12 Goozen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2012 07:10 Op wrote:
On December 02 2012 07:03 Goozen wrote:
On December 02 2012 06:56 Art.FeeL wrote:
On December 02 2012 06:44 ContrailNZ wrote:
An ideal solution is for Palestine to merge with Egypt, and give a decent amount of land from Israel to Egypt at the border.

There will never be peace as long as it is in Iran's benefit to provide weapons through Egypt to Palestine.

The stalemate will just carry on and on until Iran runs out of oil money. Then the middle east goes to hell, with maybe Israel surviving.


That's a terrible solution. The best solution would be along the '67 borders. The majority supports it excluding Israel.

Because its unidentifiable and Israel won it in the war. Not to mention this still wont solve the Refugee issue.


I thought the refugee issue was nearly solved last time. Anyway the Palestinians have to understand that it is impossible for everybody to go back to what were their grand-parents homes. On the other hand the Israeli government could compensate by officially buying this land. I thought last negotiations came close to a solutions similar to this, please someone correct me if I am wrong.

Thats why they still want. Not to mention people forget the 800,000 Israeli refuges who were offered 0 compensation and all were forced off.


I wasn't aware there were Israeli fugitives, you never hear about them. What happened ? Where were they chased from ?
Art.FeeL
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
1163 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-01 22:21:42
December 01 2012 22:15 GMT
#1205
On December 02 2012 07:03 Goozen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2012 06:56 Art.FeeL wrote:
On December 02 2012 06:44 ContrailNZ wrote:
An ideal solution is for Palestine to merge with Egypt, and give a decent amount of land from Israel to Egypt at the border.

There will never be peace as long as it is in Iran's benefit to provide weapons through Egypt to Palestine.

The stalemate will just carry on and on until Iran runs out of oil money. Then the middle east goes to hell, with maybe Israel surviving.


That's a terrible solution. The best solution would be along the '67 borders. The majority supports it excluding Israel.

Because its unidentifiable and Israel won it in the war. Not to mention this still wont solve the Refugee issue.


You like to boast about Israel winning the war. You know, by talking to you and other Israeli posters here and in other threads, i got the impression that all of you think the only solution is a military one. Netanyahu thinks too as do 70% of your population (http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/162449#.ULqAJ4ey54M)
I'd appreciate you to be honest and say it in full light.

Netanyahu is a warmonger, there is no denying, and when you have a warmonger leading a country with nuclear weapons, things don't tend to end well. With '67 borders the majority of the problems would be solved and it would be a great step toward more stability. Even Hamas accepts 67 borders. Obama too. Guess who doesn't. That sole fact explains how Netanyahu doesn't want peace.

http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/opinion/netanyahu-proved-israel-doesn-t-want-peace-1.386558
I am a great believer in luck. The harder I work the luckier I am.
Op
Profile Joined November 2012
73 Posts
December 01 2012 22:21 GMT
#1206
On December 02 2012 07:15 Art.FeeL wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2012 07:03 Goozen wrote:
On December 02 2012 06:56 Art.FeeL wrote:
On December 02 2012 06:44 ContrailNZ wrote:
An ideal solution is for Palestine to merge with Egypt, and give a decent amount of land from Israel to Egypt at the border.

There will never be peace as long as it is in Iran's benefit to provide weapons through Egypt to Palestine.

The stalemate will just carry on and on until Iran runs out of oil money. Then the middle east goes to hell, with maybe Israel surviving.


That's a terrible solution. The best solution would be along the '67 borders. The majority supports it excluding Israel.

Because its unidentifiable and Israel won it in the war. Not to mention this still wont solve the Refugee issue.


You like to boast about Israel winning the war. You know, by talking to you and other Israeli posters here and in other threads, i got the impression that all of you think the only solution is a military one. Netanyahu thinks too as do 70% of your population (http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/162449#.ULqAJ4ey54M)
I'd appreciate you to be honest and say it in full light.

Netanyahu is a warmonger, there is no denying, and when you have a warmonger leading a country with nuclear weapons, things don't tend to end well. With '67 borders the majority of the problems would be solved and it would be a great step toward more stability. Even Hamas accepts 67 borders. Obama too. Guess who doesn't. That sole fact explains how Netanyahu doesn't want peace.


I really don't see a military solution to this, I am sure Netanyahu doesn't have some kind of military end-plan (the israeli people and the world would never accept this, nor the americans). Although it looks like he is reasonably happy with the status-quo.
Art.FeeL
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
1163 Posts
December 01 2012 22:22 GMT
#1207
On December 02 2012 07:21 Op wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2012 07:15 Art.FeeL wrote:
On December 02 2012 07:03 Goozen wrote:
On December 02 2012 06:56 Art.FeeL wrote:
On December 02 2012 06:44 ContrailNZ wrote:
An ideal solution is for Palestine to merge with Egypt, and give a decent amount of land from Israel to Egypt at the border.

There will never be peace as long as it is in Iran's benefit to provide weapons through Egypt to Palestine.

The stalemate will just carry on and on until Iran runs out of oil money. Then the middle east goes to hell, with maybe Israel surviving.


That's a terrible solution. The best solution would be along the '67 borders. The majority supports it excluding Israel.

Because its unidentifiable and Israel won it in the war. Not to mention this still wont solve the Refugee issue.


You like to boast about Israel winning the war. You know, by talking to you and other Israeli posters here and in other threads, i got the impression that all of you think the only solution is a military one. Netanyahu thinks too as do 70% of your population (http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/162449#.ULqAJ4ey54M)
I'd appreciate you to be honest and say it in full light.

Netanyahu is a warmonger, there is no denying, and when you have a warmonger leading a country with nuclear weapons, things don't tend to end well. With '67 borders the majority of the problems would be solved and it would be a great step toward more stability. Even Hamas accepts 67 borders. Obama too. Guess who doesn't. That sole fact explains how Netanyahu doesn't want peace.


I really don't see a military solution to this, I am sure Netanyahu doesn't have some kind of military end-plan (the israeli people and the world would never accept this, nor the americans). Although it looks like he is reasonably happy with the status-quo.


War solves nothing. But Netanyahu, who knows what goes through his head and the support he got for Gaza incident from the population is worrisome.
I am a great believer in luck. The harder I work the luckier I am.
Jormundr
Profile Joined July 2011
United States1678 Posts
December 01 2012 22:23 GMT
#1208
On December 02 2012 07:15 Art.FeeL wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2012 07:03 Goozen wrote:
On December 02 2012 06:56 Art.FeeL wrote:
On December 02 2012 06:44 ContrailNZ wrote:
An ideal solution is for Palestine to merge with Egypt, and give a decent amount of land from Israel to Egypt at the border.

There will never be peace as long as it is in Iran's benefit to provide weapons through Egypt to Palestine.

The stalemate will just carry on and on until Iran runs out of oil money. Then the middle east goes to hell, with maybe Israel surviving.


That's a terrible solution. The best solution would be along the '67 borders. The majority supports it excluding Israel.

Because its unidentifiable and Israel won it in the war. Not to mention this still wont solve the Refugee issue.


You like to boast about Israel winning the war. You know, by talking to you and other Israeli posters here and in other threads, i got the impression that all of you think the only solution is a military one. Netanyahu thinks too as do 70% of your population (http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/162449#.ULqAJ4ey54M)
I'd appreciate you to be honest and say it in full light.

Netanyahu is a warmonger, there is no denying, and when you have a warmonger leading a country with nuclear weapons, things don't tend to end well. With '67 borders the majority of the problems would be solved and it would be a great step toward more stability. Even Hamas accepts 67 borders. Obama too. Guess who doesn't. That sole fact explains how Netanyahu doesn't want peace.

http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/opinion/netanyahu-proved-israel-doesn-t-want-peace-1.386558

This is akin to the world saying that the United States should give Texas back to Mexico to solve its immigration problems.
Capitalism is beneficial for people who work harder than other people. Under capitalism the only way to make more money is to work harder then your competitors whether they be other companies or workers. ~ Vegetarian
Art.FeeL
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
1163 Posts
December 01 2012 22:25 GMT
#1209
On December 02 2012 07:23 Jormundr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2012 07:15 Art.FeeL wrote:
On December 02 2012 07:03 Goozen wrote:
On December 02 2012 06:56 Art.FeeL wrote:
On December 02 2012 06:44 ContrailNZ wrote:
An ideal solution is for Palestine to merge with Egypt, and give a decent amount of land from Israel to Egypt at the border.

There will never be peace as long as it is in Iran's benefit to provide weapons through Egypt to Palestine.

The stalemate will just carry on and on until Iran runs out of oil money. Then the middle east goes to hell, with maybe Israel surviving.


That's a terrible solution. The best solution would be along the '67 borders. The majority supports it excluding Israel.

Because its unidentifiable and Israel won it in the war. Not to mention this still wont solve the Refugee issue.


You like to boast about Israel winning the war. You know, by talking to you and other Israeli posters here and in other threads, i got the impression that all of you think the only solution is a military one. Netanyahu thinks too as do 70% of your population (http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/162449#.ULqAJ4ey54M)
I'd appreciate you to be honest and say it in full light.

Netanyahu is a warmonger, there is no denying, and when you have a warmonger leading a country with nuclear weapons, things don't tend to end well. With '67 borders the majority of the problems would be solved and it would be a great step toward more stability. Even Hamas accepts 67 borders. Obama too. Guess who doesn't. That sole fact explains how Netanyahu doesn't want peace.

http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/opinion/netanyahu-proved-israel-doesn-t-want-peace-1.386558

This is akin to the world saying that the United States should give Texas back to Mexico to solve its immigration problems.


No. Mexico is a state that has good relations with USA and doesn't ask for Texas to be returned. That example is stupid and worn out, can't you be more creative?
I am a great believer in luck. The harder I work the luckier I am.
Goozen
Profile Joined February 2012
Israel701 Posts
December 01 2012 22:26 GMT
#1210
On December 02 2012 07:14 Op wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2012 07:12 Goozen wrote:
On December 02 2012 07:10 Op wrote:
On December 02 2012 07:03 Goozen wrote:
On December 02 2012 06:56 Art.FeeL wrote:
On December 02 2012 06:44 ContrailNZ wrote:
An ideal solution is for Palestine to merge with Egypt, and give a decent amount of land from Israel to Egypt at the border.

There will never be peace as long as it is in Iran's benefit to provide weapons through Egypt to Palestine.

The stalemate will just carry on and on until Iran runs out of oil money. Then the middle east goes to hell, with maybe Israel surviving.


That's a terrible solution. The best solution would be along the '67 borders. The majority supports it excluding Israel.

Because its unidentifiable and Israel won it in the war. Not to mention this still wont solve the Refugee issue.


I thought the refugee issue was nearly solved last time. Anyway the Palestinians have to understand that it is impossible for everybody to go back to what were their grand-parents homes. On the other hand the Israeli government could compensate by officially buying this land. I thought last negotiations came close to a solutions similar to this, please someone correct me if I am wrong.

Thats why they still want. Not to mention people forget the 800,000 Israeli refuges who were offered 0 compensation and all were forced off.


I wasn't aware there were Israeli fugitives, you never hear about them. What happened ? Where were they chased from ?

Meant to say Jewish, here you go: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_exodus_from_Arab_and_Muslim_countries
Op
Profile Joined November 2012
73 Posts
December 01 2012 22:30 GMT
#1211
On December 02 2012 07:22 Art.FeeL wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2012 07:21 Op wrote:
On December 02 2012 07:15 Art.FeeL wrote:
On December 02 2012 07:03 Goozen wrote:
On December 02 2012 06:56 Art.FeeL wrote:
On December 02 2012 06:44 ContrailNZ wrote:
An ideal solution is for Palestine to merge with Egypt, and give a decent amount of land from Israel to Egypt at the border.

There will never be peace as long as it is in Iran's benefit to provide weapons through Egypt to Palestine.

The stalemate will just carry on and on until Iran runs out of oil money. Then the middle east goes to hell, with maybe Israel surviving.


That's a terrible solution. The best solution would be along the '67 borders. The majority supports it excluding Israel.

Because its unidentifiable and Israel won it in the war. Not to mention this still wont solve the Refugee issue.


You like to boast about Israel winning the war. You know, by talking to you and other Israeli posters here and in other threads, i got the impression that all of you think the only solution is a military one. Netanyahu thinks too as do 70% of your population (http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/162449#.ULqAJ4ey54M)
I'd appreciate you to be honest and say it in full light.

Netanyahu is a warmonger, there is no denying, and when you have a warmonger leading a country with nuclear weapons, things don't tend to end well. With '67 borders the majority of the problems would be solved and it would be a great step toward more stability. Even Hamas accepts 67 borders. Obama too. Guess who doesn't. That sole fact explains how Netanyahu doesn't want peace.


I really don't see a military solution to this, I am sure Netanyahu doesn't have some kind of military end-plan (the israeli people and the world would never accept this, nor the americans). Although it looks like he is reasonably happy with the status-quo.


War solves nothing. But Netanyahu, who knows what goes through his head and the support he got for Gaza incident from the population is worrisome.


My personal feeling is that it is mostly political. By letting the conflict escalate (impossible to say who started it), he showed again how dangerous Hamas is and that people need to vote for a hard-liner, not for someone who wants to make peace with terrorists...

I am putting my hopes on the fact that a more peace-oriented party wins the elections in Israel, and that Abbas will prove to be a good negotiation partner sidelining Hamas until they give up the violence. Not sure whether there is a lot of chance this, looks like both sides are rather polarized (which makes sense in such an intense and long-lasting conflict), and Netanyahu and Hamas try to make sure they are polarized.
Goozen
Profile Joined February 2012
Israel701 Posts
December 01 2012 22:33 GMT
#1212
On December 02 2012 07:15 Art.FeeL wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2012 07:03 Goozen wrote:
On December 02 2012 06:56 Art.FeeL wrote:
On December 02 2012 06:44 ContrailNZ wrote:
An ideal solution is for Palestine to merge with Egypt, and give a decent amount of land from Israel to Egypt at the border.

There will never be peace as long as it is in Iran's benefit to provide weapons through Egypt to Palestine.

The stalemate will just carry on and on until Iran runs out of oil money. Then the middle east goes to hell, with maybe Israel surviving.


That's a terrible solution. The best solution would be along the '67 borders. The majority supports it excluding Israel.

Because its unidentifiable and Israel won it in the war. Not to mention this still wont solve the Refugee issue.


You like to boast about Israel winning the war. You know, by talking to you and other Israeli posters here and in other threads, i got the impression that all of you think the only solution is a military one. Netanyahu thinks too as do 70% of your population (http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/162449#.ULqAJ4ey54M)
I'd appreciate you to be honest and say it in full light.

Netanyahu is a warmonger, there is no denying, and when you have a warmonger leading a country with nuclear weapons, things don't tend to end well. With '67 borders the majority of the problems would be solved and it would be a great step toward more stability. Even Hamas accepts 67 borders. Obama too. Guess who doesn't. That sole fact explains how Netanyahu doesn't want peace.

http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/opinion/netanyahu-proved-israel-doesn-t-want-peace-1.386558

The reason most people think that way is because of the second intifada, the situation in the west bank was the best it had ever been and relation were decent but there was discontent growing among the palestinians about corruption in the PA. It was a massive wave of violence that cost many lives, the Palestinian police that Israel armed and tried turn their guns on us. Not only that, we see what the Palestinian education system teach the children, the shows it broadcasts to it people its full of venom and religious zeal to kill Jews. These are some of the reason the majority dont ever see peace as possible, as the past has given us no reason to be optimistic.
Goozen
Profile Joined February 2012
Israel701 Posts
December 01 2012 22:34 GMT
#1213
On December 02 2012 07:30 Op wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2012 07:22 Art.FeeL wrote:
On December 02 2012 07:21 Op wrote:
On December 02 2012 07:15 Art.FeeL wrote:
On December 02 2012 07:03 Goozen wrote:
On December 02 2012 06:56 Art.FeeL wrote:
On December 02 2012 06:44 ContrailNZ wrote:
An ideal solution is for Palestine to merge with Egypt, and give a decent amount of land from Israel to Egypt at the border.

There will never be peace as long as it is in Iran's benefit to provide weapons through Egypt to Palestine.

The stalemate will just carry on and on until Iran runs out of oil money. Then the middle east goes to hell, with maybe Israel surviving.


That's a terrible solution. The best solution would be along the '67 borders. The majority supports it excluding Israel.

Because its unidentifiable and Israel won it in the war. Not to mention this still wont solve the Refugee issue.


You like to boast about Israel winning the war. You know, by talking to you and other Israeli posters here and in other threads, i got the impression that all of you think the only solution is a military one. Netanyahu thinks too as do 70% of your population (http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/162449#.ULqAJ4ey54M)
I'd appreciate you to be honest and say it in full light.

Netanyahu is a warmonger, there is no denying, and when you have a warmonger leading a country with nuclear weapons, things don't tend to end well. With '67 borders the majority of the problems would be solved and it would be a great step toward more stability. Even Hamas accepts 67 borders. Obama too. Guess who doesn't. That sole fact explains how Netanyahu doesn't want peace.


I really don't see a military solution to this, I am sure Netanyahu doesn't have some kind of military end-plan (the israeli people and the world would never accept this, nor the americans). Although it looks like he is reasonably happy with the status-quo.


War solves nothing. But Netanyahu, who knows what goes through his head and the support he got for Gaza incident from the population is worrisome.


My personal feeling is that it is mostly political. By letting the conflict escalate (impossible to say who started it), he showed again how dangerous Hamas is and that people need to vote for a hard-liner, not for someone who wants to make peace with terrorists...

I am putting my hopes on the fact that a more peace-oriented party wins the elections in Israel, and that Abbas will prove to be a good negotiation partner sidelining Hamas until they give up the violence. Not sure whether there is a lot of chance this, looks like both sides are rather polarized (which makes sense in such an intense and long-lasting conflict), and Netanyahu and Hamas try to make sure they are polarized.

He will win the elections unless something freak happens, every year the right will gain strength.
Art.FeeL
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
1163 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-01 22:41:12
December 01 2012 22:36 GMT
#1214
On December 02 2012 07:33 Goozen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2012 07:15 Art.FeeL wrote:
On December 02 2012 07:03 Goozen wrote:
On December 02 2012 06:56 Art.FeeL wrote:
On December 02 2012 06:44 ContrailNZ wrote:
An ideal solution is for Palestine to merge with Egypt, and give a decent amount of land from Israel to Egypt at the border.

There will never be peace as long as it is in Iran's benefit to provide weapons through Egypt to Palestine.

The stalemate will just carry on and on until Iran runs out of oil money. Then the middle east goes to hell, with maybe Israel surviving.


That's a terrible solution. The best solution would be along the '67 borders. The majority supports it excluding Israel.

Because its unidentifiable and Israel won it in the war. Not to mention this still wont solve the Refugee issue.


You like to boast about Israel winning the war. You know, by talking to you and other Israeli posters here and in other threads, i got the impression that all of you think the only solution is a military one. Netanyahu thinks too as do 70% of your population (http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/162449#.ULqAJ4ey54M)
I'd appreciate you to be honest and say it in full light.

Netanyahu is a warmonger, there is no denying, and when you have a warmonger leading a country with nuclear weapons, things don't tend to end well. With '67 borders the majority of the problems would be solved and it would be a great step toward more stability. Even Hamas accepts 67 borders. Obama too. Guess who doesn't. That sole fact explains how Netanyahu doesn't want peace.

http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/opinion/netanyahu-proved-israel-doesn-t-want-peace-1.386558

The reason most people think that way is because of the second intifada, the situation in the west bank was the best it had ever been and relation were decent but there was discontent growing among the palestinians about corruption in the PA. It was a massive wave of violence that cost many lives, the Palestinian police that Israel armed and tried turn their guns on us. Not only that, we see what the Palestinian education system teach the children, the shows it broadcasts to it people its full of venom and religious zeal to kill Jews. These are some of the reason the majority dont ever see peace as possible, as the past has given us no reason to be optimistic.


You are demonizing entire people and you seem to silently consent what I said in the beginning. There are even shows and Jews talking about Muslims as if they were the worst of creation. But I am not using that as a reference to make my judgement of the whole nation. Your answers so far have been ''But, they did this'' only, how old are you?

for example:
I am a great believer in luck. The harder I work the luckier I am.
Op
Profile Joined November 2012
73 Posts
December 01 2012 22:36 GMT
#1215
On December 02 2012 07:26 Goozen wrote:
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On December 02 2012 07:14 Op wrote:
On December 02 2012 07:12 Goozen wrote:
On December 02 2012 07:10 Op wrote:
On December 02 2012 07:03 Goozen wrote:
On December 02 2012 06:56 Art.FeeL wrote:
On December 02 2012 06:44 ContrailNZ wrote:
An ideal solution is for Palestine to merge with Egypt, and give a decent amount of land from Israel to Egypt at the border.

There will never be peace as long as it is in Iran's benefit to provide weapons through Egypt to Palestine.

The stalemate will just carry on and on until Iran runs out of oil money. Then the middle east goes to hell, with maybe Israel surviving.


That's a terrible solution. The best solution would be along the '67 borders. The majority supports it excluding Israel.

Because its unidentifiable and Israel won it in the war. Not to mention this still wont solve the Refugee issue.


I thought the refugee issue was nearly solved last time. Anyway the Palestinians have to understand that it is impossible for everybody to go back to what were their grand-parents homes. On the other hand the Israeli government could compensate by officially buying this land. I thought last negotiations came close to a solutions similar to this, please someone correct me if I am wrong.

Thats why they still want. Not to mention people forget the 800,000 Israeli refuges who were offered 0 compensation and all were forced off.


I wasn't aware there were Israeli fugitives, you never hear about them. What happened ? Where were they chased from ?

Meant to say Jewish, here you go: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_exodus_from_Arab_and_Muslim_countries


Interesting article. Not sure though whether their situation is really part of the ongoing Israeli-Palestinian conflict, and personally I think it should be handled outside of this scope between Israel and the Arab countries (don't see why the Palestinians would have to provide compensation for this) to avoid bringing other parties in the negotiation and making it 'x' times more complex to solve.
Op
Profile Joined November 2012
73 Posts
December 01 2012 22:40 GMT
#1216
On December 02 2012 07:34 Goozen wrote:
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On December 02 2012 07:30 Op wrote:
On December 02 2012 07:22 Art.FeeL wrote:
On December 02 2012 07:21 Op wrote:
On December 02 2012 07:15 Art.FeeL wrote:
On December 02 2012 07:03 Goozen wrote:
On December 02 2012 06:56 Art.FeeL wrote:
On December 02 2012 06:44 ContrailNZ wrote:
An ideal solution is for Palestine to merge with Egypt, and give a decent amount of land from Israel to Egypt at the border.

There will never be peace as long as it is in Iran's benefit to provide weapons through Egypt to Palestine.

The stalemate will just carry on and on until Iran runs out of oil money. Then the middle east goes to hell, with maybe Israel surviving.


That's a terrible solution. The best solution would be along the '67 borders. The majority supports it excluding Israel.

Because its unidentifiable and Israel won it in the war. Not to mention this still wont solve the Refugee issue.


You like to boast about Israel winning the war. You know, by talking to you and other Israeli posters here and in other threads, i got the impression that all of you think the only solution is a military one. Netanyahu thinks too as do 70% of your population (http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/162449#.ULqAJ4ey54M)
I'd appreciate you to be honest and say it in full light.

Netanyahu is a warmonger, there is no denying, and when you have a warmonger leading a country with nuclear weapons, things don't tend to end well. With '67 borders the majority of the problems would be solved and it would be a great step toward more stability. Even Hamas accepts 67 borders. Obama too. Guess who doesn't. That sole fact explains how Netanyahu doesn't want peace.


I really don't see a military solution to this, I am sure Netanyahu doesn't have some kind of military end-plan (the israeli people and the world would never accept this, nor the americans). Although it looks like he is reasonably happy with the status-quo.


War solves nothing. But Netanyahu, who knows what goes through his head and the support he got for Gaza incident from the population is worrisome.


My personal feeling is that it is mostly political. By letting the conflict escalate (impossible to say who started it), he showed again how dangerous Hamas is and that people need to vote for a hard-liner, not for someone who wants to make peace with terrorists...

I am putting my hopes on the fact that a more peace-oriented party wins the elections in Israel, and that Abbas will prove to be a good negotiation partner sidelining Hamas until they give up the violence. Not sure whether there is a lot of chance this, looks like both sides are rather polarized (which makes sense in such an intense and long-lasting conflict), and Netanyahu and Hamas try to make sure they are polarized.

He will win the elections unless something freak happens, every year the right will gain strength.


Ai.. So do you see any prospects for peace in the future ? Would the right be willing to make peace ?
BallinWitStalin
Profile Joined July 2008
1177 Posts
December 01 2012 22:43 GMT
#1217
On December 02 2012 07:34 Goozen wrote:

He will win the elections unless something freak happens, every year the right will gain strength.


I find this terrifying. People like Avigdor Lieberman are scary individuals. It's eventually not going to end well for Israel if they keep going down that road. Ethnic nationalism is scary shit, particularly their brand of it. Hamas is definitely fucked up (targetting civilians is awful), but so is the idea that people of one ethnicity are morally allowed to continually steal inferior ethnic groups' land.

Stuff you hear coming out of the right in Israel is way, way scarier than anything you hear in American Politics.
I await the reminiscent nerd chills I will get when I hear a Korean broadcaster yell "WEEAAAAVVVVVUUUHHH" while watching Dota
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
December 01 2012 22:46 GMT
#1218
i don't think israel should give up land. they just need to provide a livable solution for palestinians within their society. it's not like 4 million people can survive as farmers even if palestinians drive all of israel into the sea.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
Goozen
Profile Joined February 2012
Israel701 Posts
December 01 2012 22:49 GMT
#1219
On December 02 2012 07:36 Art.FeeL wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2012 07:33 Goozen wrote:
On December 02 2012 07:15 Art.FeeL wrote:
On December 02 2012 07:03 Goozen wrote:
On December 02 2012 06:56 Art.FeeL wrote:
On December 02 2012 06:44 ContrailNZ wrote:
An ideal solution is for Palestine to merge with Egypt, and give a decent amount of land from Israel to Egypt at the border.

There will never be peace as long as it is in Iran's benefit to provide weapons through Egypt to Palestine.

The stalemate will just carry on and on until Iran runs out of oil money. Then the middle east goes to hell, with maybe Israel surviving.


That's a terrible solution. The best solution would be along the '67 borders. The majority supports it excluding Israel.

Because its unidentifiable and Israel won it in the war. Not to mention this still wont solve the Refugee issue.


You like to boast about Israel winning the war. You know, by talking to you and other Israeli posters here and in other threads, i got the impression that all of you think the only solution is a military one. Netanyahu thinks too as do 70% of your population (http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/162449#.ULqAJ4ey54M)
I'd appreciate you to be honest and say it in full light.

Netanyahu is a warmonger, there is no denying, and when you have a warmonger leading a country with nuclear weapons, things don't tend to end well. With '67 borders the majority of the problems would be solved and it would be a great step toward more stability. Even Hamas accepts 67 borders. Obama too. Guess who doesn't. That sole fact explains how Netanyahu doesn't want peace.

http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/opinion/netanyahu-proved-israel-doesn-t-want-peace-1.386558

The reason most people think that way is because of the second intifada, the situation in the west bank was the best it had ever been and relation were decent but there was discontent growing among the palestinians about corruption in the PA. It was a massive wave of violence that cost many lives, the Palestinian police that Israel armed and tried turn their guns on us. Not only that, we see what the Palestinian education system teach the children, the shows it broadcasts to it people its full of venom and religious zeal to kill Jews. These are some of the reason the majority dont ever see peace as possible, as the past has given us no reason to be optimistic.


You are demonizing entire people and you seem to silently consent what I said in the beginning. There are even shows and Jews talking about Muslims as if they were the worst of creation. But I am not using that as a reference to make my judgement of the whole nation. Your answers so far have been ''But, they did this'' only, how old are you?

for example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhFvfW3Pai0

24, but this isnt endorsed by the government or on national television.
Goozen
Profile Joined February 2012
Israel701 Posts
December 01 2012 22:50 GMT
#1220
On December 02 2012 07:40 Op wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2012 07:34 Goozen wrote:
On December 02 2012 07:30 Op wrote:
On December 02 2012 07:22 Art.FeeL wrote:
On December 02 2012 07:21 Op wrote:
On December 02 2012 07:15 Art.FeeL wrote:
On December 02 2012 07:03 Goozen wrote:
On December 02 2012 06:56 Art.FeeL wrote:
On December 02 2012 06:44 ContrailNZ wrote:
An ideal solution is for Palestine to merge with Egypt, and give a decent amount of land from Israel to Egypt at the border.

There will never be peace as long as it is in Iran's benefit to provide weapons through Egypt to Palestine.

The stalemate will just carry on and on until Iran runs out of oil money. Then the middle east goes to hell, with maybe Israel surviving.


That's a terrible solution. The best solution would be along the '67 borders. The majority supports it excluding Israel.

Because its unidentifiable and Israel won it in the war. Not to mention this still wont solve the Refugee issue.


You like to boast about Israel winning the war. You know, by talking to you and other Israeli posters here and in other threads, i got the impression that all of you think the only solution is a military one. Netanyahu thinks too as do 70% of your population (http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/162449#.ULqAJ4ey54M)
I'd appreciate you to be honest and say it in full light.

Netanyahu is a warmonger, there is no denying, and when you have a warmonger leading a country with nuclear weapons, things don't tend to end well. With '67 borders the majority of the problems would be solved and it would be a great step toward more stability. Even Hamas accepts 67 borders. Obama too. Guess who doesn't. That sole fact explains how Netanyahu doesn't want peace.


I really don't see a military solution to this, I am sure Netanyahu doesn't have some kind of military end-plan (the israeli people and the world would never accept this, nor the americans). Although it looks like he is reasonably happy with the status-quo.


War solves nothing. But Netanyahu, who knows what goes through his head and the support he got for Gaza incident from the population is worrisome.


My personal feeling is that it is mostly political. By letting the conflict escalate (impossible to say who started it), he showed again how dangerous Hamas is and that people need to vote for a hard-liner, not for someone who wants to make peace with terrorists...

I am putting my hopes on the fact that a more peace-oriented party wins the elections in Israel, and that Abbas will prove to be a good negotiation partner sidelining Hamas until they give up the violence. Not sure whether there is a lot of chance this, looks like both sides are rather polarized (which makes sense in such an intense and long-lasting conflict), and Netanyahu and Hamas try to make sure they are polarized.

He will win the elections unless something freak happens, every year the right will gain strength.


Ai.. So do you see any prospects for peace in the future ? Would the right be willing to make peace ?

The right made peace with Egypt, so it can happen, depends if there will be any flexibility on either side.
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