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aderum
Sweden1459 Posts
On October 28 2011 08:01 RJGooner wrote: I'm going to go ahead and take a middle ground here and say that the kid should be expelled from the school and then sent to some form of court-ordered counseling. Haha +points for being as neutral as you can be in a sensitive thread! | ||
MrHoon
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semantics
10040 Posts
On October 28 2011 07:59 aderum wrote: You clearly missed the point about it not automatically being a hate crime if its towards a minority. Its just as discrimination, but on a broader(worse) scale. If you kick someone out of your restaurant just b/c he wheres a t-shirt with a sportteam you dont like, and if you kick someone out of your restaurant b/c he is black... which one is worse? The law is there to make sure that we dont tolerate doing bad things to people just for being different. Well the point is to punish based on the reason for the crime. It's not just black and white sentencing but sentience based on the individual. I'm sure most people know of this A woman was near death from a special kind of cancer. There was one drug that the doctors thought might save her. It was a form of radium that a druggist in the same town had recently discovered. The drug was expensive to make, but the druggist was charging ten times what the drug cost him to produce. He paid $200 for the radium and charged $2,000 for a small dose of the drug. The sick woman's husband, Heinz, went to everyone he knew to borrow the money, but he could only get together about $1,000 which is half of what it cost. He told the druggist that his wife was dying and asked him to sell it cheaper or let him pay later. But the druggist said: "No, I discovered the drug and I'm going to make money from it." So Heinz got desperate and broke into the man's store to steal the drug for his wife. Should Heinz have broken into the store to steal the drug for his wife? Why or why not? Only a child answers stealing is wrong end of story. | ||
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Cyber_Cheese
Australia3615 Posts
A chipped tooth sounds very minor, but I think that's enough to fall under not minorly injured. Requiring dental to fix your sores is over the top, and the bully should be expelled. I wonder how many votes a 'reward the bully' option would get in that poll, not that it belongs there. On October 28 2011 08:03 semantics wrote: Well the point is to punish based on the reason for the crime. It's not just black and white sentencing but sentience based on the individual. I'm sure most people know of this Only a child answers stealing is wrong end of story. It's a crime, but since it's for a greater good, the chances are his punishment would be lower than say, someone who broke in to sell it to him for $1000. | ||
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plexx
United States41 Posts
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FabledIntegral
United States9232 Posts
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WTFZerg
United States704 Posts
On October 28 2011 07:59 aderum wrote: You clearly missed the point about it not automatically being a hate crime if its towards a minority. Its just as discrimination, but on a broader(worse) scale. If you kick someone out of your restaurant just b/c he wheres a t-shirt with a sportteam you dont like, and if you kick someone out of your restaurant b/c he is black... which one is worse? The law is there to make sure that we dont tolerate doing bad things to people just for being different. I can kick someone out of my privately owned restaurant for whatever I want, so bad example. Hate crime-laws are stupid. There is no reason to discriminate between sexual orientation or race in criminal law. Murder is murder, assault is assault, and robbery is robbery. And I'm pretty sure the U.S. Supreme Court ruled in basically the same way. | ||
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darkscream
Canada2310 Posts
They are kids, it's high school, school is a place where you learn lessons, some academic, some social. I don't approve of homophobia but I also don't think he should be punished for his views, only his actions. It doesn't matter what your reason is, you don't bully/beat up people in the real world. | ||
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taLbuk
Madagascar1879 Posts
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Tegu
Great Britain93 Posts
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PiRate647
Belgium187 Posts
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zinic
Netherlands28 Posts
Propper punishment is hard to decide on. As for jail time etc. it might work but i think being locked up in a mental institution and having the attacker under heavy medication would be better. Only because in my eyes it is a more severe punishment. That way the attacker would have no control anymore (mentaly and physicaly) and has to think about it since there is nothing else for him to do. Then he will eventualy have to feel sorry and regret what he has done. (a couple of days or months will not suffice as long enough since thats basicly taking the piss at something so intence) Andywayz its hard to say what one would have done in that situation, I would prolly be pretty pissed off and said out loud .. DUDE WTH ARE YOU DOING (yes all caps ^^) If he doesn't react.. you know that he is oblivious to anything around him and if you'd step in he would most likely continue on to yourself. If he did react his attention should be distracted and it would be easier to step in hopefully other would follow and otherwise prepare to get your hands dirty ^^. Not that i'm an expert or anything like that but that's what i think and would have done in both situations i would have stepped in regardless of what he'd do to me. And yes in that case i would have to get my hands dirty ^^. | ||
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sunprince
United States2258 Posts
On October 28 2011 07:54 Whitewing wrote:No, it doesn't work that way at all. If you killed someone who is straight, and I kill someone who is gay, they're both murder. If I killed the gay student BECAUSE he's gay, then it's a hatecrime. It doesn't matter who the crime is committed against, it matters WHY they committed the crime. Also, if you kill someone straight for being straight, that's also a hatecrime. It's a question of intent. The problem with this is that it's effectively a thought crime. What hate crime legislation does is basically make certain beliefs illegal. I think it's awful that most conservative Christians hate gays as a part of their religious beliefs, but to give them harsher punishments for attacking a gay than someone else is a violation of due process. I understand that we as a society want to discourage discrimination and hate, but free thought is even more important. It's similar to how I support the free speech of Neonazi groups, however harmful it might be, even if I'd rather they go die in a fire. | ||
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Ayaz2810
United States2763 Posts
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Chriamon
United States886 Posts
On October 28 2011 07:42 trainRiderJ wrote: I hate to break it to you but the police force doesn't have the manpower to be involved in every school fight... kids are in high school, the school has a specific police officer who's job it is to be involved in every school fight. | ||
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TALegion
United States1187 Posts
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Yorke
England881 Posts
Disgusting crime. | ||
Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
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tMomiji
United States1115 Posts
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lizzard_warish
589 Posts
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