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dude i live in lower middle class, in school people will find many thinngs to cause problems about moeny is one of them the poor kids who cant afford "cool" shit get segregated the segregation turns to bullying, anyways on the notion of getting sucker punched thats the best situation to infact defend yourself most of my fights started with me getting a) pushed b) punched c) someone had stolen something from me in which case i was punching them first but the first 2 happened very often and more often then not i was the one in top at the end of the fight so he got attacked unannounced is falling on blind ears, i should probly check that video tape out, you wanna see somethign that actually warrants a teamliquid.net forum post watch Spectral stream in sc2 quadrapulegic who plays games at a far above average level something insporing not some stupid human tragedy bullshit about some kid getting beaten up for some reason or another. infact im pretty sure its become rather fashionable in some areas to infact be gay, homophobia is in a steep decline in our developed nations
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On November 01 2011 01:17 Sgonzo wrote:
dude i live in lower middle class, in school people will find many thinngs to cause problems about moeny is one of them the poor kids who cant afford "cool" shit get segregated the segregation turns to bullying, anyways on the notion of getting sucker punched thats the best situation to infact defend yourself most of my fights started with me getting a) pushed b) punched c) someone had stolen something from me in which case i was punching them first but the first 2 happened very often and more often then not i was the one in top at the end of the fight so he got attacked unannounced is falling on blind ears, i should probly check that video tape out, you wanna see somethign that actually warrants a teamliquid.net forum post watch Spectral stream in sc2 quadrapulegic who plays games at a far above average level something insporing not some stupid human tragedy bullshit about some kid getting beaten up for some reason or another. infact im pretty sure its become rather fashionable in some areas to infact be gay, homophobia is in a steep decline in our developed nations
I gained absolutely nothing from reading your post. Can you please edit in some grammatical corrections? It sounds like a long, rambling tangent.
To your point that homophobia is in steep decline, yes, but the majority are still opposed to homosexuals.
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I'm glad I live in Europe
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On October 31 2011 23:20 Sgonzo wrote:
its not about learning its about the fact that a kid can catch a beating from a bully for being poor, and no1 gives a damn but when he catches a beating for being gay you all jump here to defend him and think that your taking the morale high ground when you are infact being ignorant to the fact that people get discriminated against for EVERYTHING anything and everything can be brought against you for hate so why cry about it? someone screws around with your deal solve it dont go getting the neo facist jackboot of the police involved
i think you got me wrong, i think its not good to justify arbitrary violence generally. a society in which humans get discriminated for whatever ideological intention is not a state of social interaction we should take as given, thats the soul of democracy. if you call that " to cry about " it implies a philosophy of indifferentism
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didnt read the other posts but... stuff like this always happened and will always happen and kids dont have to be gay to get beat up (could be fat, parents issues, hairstyle, mental issues, anything): It's responsability of the school to not let these things happen but, in my opinion, events like this are not worth a spot in the news.
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On November 01 2011 04:00 BillClinton wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2011 23:20 Sgonzo wrote:
its not about learning its about the fact that a kid can catch a beating from a bully for being poor, and no1 gives a damn but when he catches a beating for being gay you all jump here to defend him and think that your taking the morale high ground when you are infact being ignorant to the fact that people get discriminated against for EVERYTHING anything and everything can be brought against you for hate so why cry about it? someone screws around with your deal solve it dont go getting the neo facist jackboot of the police involved i think you got me wrong, i think its not good to justify arbitrary violence generally. a society in which humans get discriminated for whatever ideological intention is not a state of social interaction we should take as given, thats the soul of democracy. if you call that " to cry about " it implies a philosophy of indifferentism
Id also like to say that beating up the poor has also been a big story. Do you guys remember that group of guys who were beating up homeless people and got caught on camera? That was all over the news (as it should be). Victimizing people for what they are instead of what they have done is the very essence of what hate crime legislation is trying to prevent.
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On October 31 2011 11:41 S.O.L.I.D. wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2011 10:03 inamorato wrote:
Being gay is a life choice same as being a vegan, or a Christian, Jew, Buddhist, Muslim. Have you ever heard of a country going to war over homosexuality? No, but there has been wars over religion for thousands of years. It's fear mongers like yourself that need to go through life in silence, not people who have a sexual disposition that is of the polar opposite of yours..
Umm no it's not? Ask yourself this: in a generally homophobic society such as the one in America where the majority of states do not let gays get married, and a ridiculous amount of people are stupid, prejudiced, and ignorant towards gays, why the fuck would someone choose to be gay? Also science stuff.
I'm sorry I used a poor choice of words.
Homosexuality isn't just an adjective but also a verb. You can be as gay as a 3 dollar bill but refuse to take action on your sexual impulses.
To me I couldn't care less. I stay in my lane and let everyone ride along in theirs. What people do with their lives is their business and if it makes them happy, I'm happy for them.
Being gay, in the sense of having an attraction towards others of the same sex can be debated about until the Earth spins off of its axis.
My personal view is that you don't choose to be gay, and I don't know what makes a person gay.
But what is "Also science stuff" supposed to mean. If you're going to bring up a point at least give it some content.
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On November 01 2011 07:23 inamorato wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2011 11:41 S.O.L.I.D. wrote:On October 31 2011 10:03 inamorato wrote:
Being gay is a life choice same as being a vegan, or a Christian, Jew, Buddhist, Muslim. Have you ever heard of a country going to war over homosexuality? No, but there has been wars over religion for thousands of years. It's fear mongers like yourself that need to go through life in silence, not people who have a sexual disposition that is of the polar opposite of yours..
Umm no it's not? Ask yourself this: in a generally homophobic society such as the one in America where the majority of states do not let gays get married, and a ridiculous amount of people are stupid, prejudiced, and ignorant towards gays, why the fuck would someone choose to be gay? Also science stuff. I'm sorry I used a poor choice of words. Homosexuality isn't just an adjective but also a verb. You can be as gay as a 3 dollar bill but refuse to take action on your sexual impulses.
Homosexuality is neither an adjective nor a verb, it is a noun.
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Make friends with the bullies instead of being at odds with them maybe? Like seriously high school isn't Iraq, people act like there aren't ways to achieve high social status. Be a nice kid, don't be a shut-in weirdo, and high school will be a good time. Treat others how you want to be treated and if someone doesn't like you try and stay away from them or befriend them. Bullies almost always have their own self confidence issues, and being open and nice to them instead of glaring at them and thinking about starcraft and revenge of the nerds isn't going to do anything but create an us and them effect.
**this doesn't apply to the kid being beaten up, I'm talking about all of the people in this thread complaining about how its other people's fault that their lives are hell cause some kid made fun of them 10 years ago and they want to feel vindicated now
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I want to respond to a lot of people saying "well he should be treated no different than others" and such.
Right now suicide among Gay students are extremely high compared to straight students. This is due to bullying like that which has transpired. To put it this way. This news peice raises awareness of the bullying taking place and can open some eyes to this issue and hopefully promote a safer school place and safer world in which we live.
Now in saying that. We could say (as some have metioned) That you can "choose," to be gay, by that I mean, be open about being Gay.
I want people to go to youtube and to watch some of the coming out stories LGBT teens have posted online and really try to feel for everybody who has been in that situaition.
To put it this way. A lot of gay teens are extremely depressed about not being able to be who they are to the world. Its like trying to hide to the entire world who you are. It can be tricky business and often leads to depression and in many cases suicide. This is present while the teen is trying to figure out who they are and why they are who they are.
Living in a world where not to many people accept you is a hard thing to overcome. Many times coming out results in loss of firends, even family members.
But human nature always gives us that need for companionship. The need to be with someone for the rest of our lives. That need to be loved is in everyones genetic code. and not being able to get that in a time of our life when that aspect of human nature is in full swing (with dating in high school being such a major part of high school life for many). That can be another cause of depression.
This is a minority that is still very wildy harassed and often subject to a lot of hate. So often of things are left the way they are. Suicides will contiune to skyrocket in this minority. Nobody wants people to lose their lives over this. And people are.
This is the reason why incidents like this kept being brought up. So that awareness can be raised about the issue of gay bullying. So something can be done about it. Lets say this didn't make news. Lets say the child didn't have such an amazing mother as he has. What would happen? Likely bullying would contiune. But then when does it end. Does the child grow a think skin and learn to go with the punches. Or does he take drastic action and try to end his life. Stories like this, that don't make news. That is when we see gay teens taking drastic action and attempting suicide.
I would love to live in a world where nobody would be bullied for any reason. regardless of age, colour, religion, sexual perference. But we don't live in that world yet.
When I was working as a gay rights activist. I saw so many teens that were suffering from dperession, and almost commiting suicide over it. We should not be at a point where this still happens. It would myself be hard to give such kids advice, as I've never had to go through what they are going through (being straight myself). But being able to help the students feel they have someone to talk to was important to the process of them growing to love themselves. and be confident in who they are.
I rambled a little bit didn't I. Anyways I had a long drawn out post to provide, but forgot a lot of it while writing.
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On October 31 2011 02:17 KlaCkoN wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2011 08:21 meatbox wrote:On October 30 2011 07:43 iamahydralisk wrote:On October 30 2011 07:35 meatbox wrote:On October 30 2011 07:19 iamahydralisk wrote:On October 30 2011 07:14 meatbox wrote:On October 29 2011 15:14 Dfgj wrote:On October 29 2011 14:45 meatbox wrote:
Look at this terrible American attitude towards punishment for crime, quite disappointing to see the majority wanting to see a teenager placed in prison, you're all worse than him...
The child's sense of morals were instilled by his parents, you can't blame a 15 year old, someone who can be so easily manipulated, for such a crime. He was obviously influenced by someone, be it his parents or bad company.
The right punishment would be a suspension, during that period a psychological correction facility should accommodate for his misplaced sense of morality. At 15 I was quite capable of thinking for myself, thanks. It's his own fault for not only harboring such prejudices, but acting aggressively on them. Is it HIS fault for harbouring such prejudices? Really? He was obviously influenced by someone, a jail sentence would ruin any hope of future that he had... Bullies need the most help, not their victims. Yes, it IS his fault because 15 is plenty old enough to know that beating the shit out of someone just because they are harmlessly and insignificantly different from you is a bad thing to do. You should really quit barking up this tree cause it's gonna get you absolutely no where. Didn't expect to get through to anyone, had no expectations to begin with, sending a 15 year old to jail is cruel, unfair on the child, he'll spend a majority of his life there when there are clearly better and cheaper alternatives, anyway more government expenditure per capita is given to prisoners than public school students, what a fucked up world.  He's going to "spend a majority of his life there?" What? lol. Stop acting like he killed someone or something. He deserves to be removed from society for a while so he can learn what he did wrong. If he doesn't get a sizable punishment for this, he'll probably just keep doing it until he does. The child will learn nothing from going to prison, prison is for adults not children, to think 70% believe a charge should be laid...  The mother of the victim said it wasn't a hate crime and wanted the administration to be fired for not dealing with the issue earlier, there were warning signs. Counselling would be the best outcome for both parties, any criminal sentence would limit career choices, all Government jobs require no criminal records, and a future of petty crimes, being in and out of prison is the most likely future if the forumites of TL have their way... If a random person went up to you on the street and hit you in the head until you passed out would "counseling" be an appropriate punishment? Then why does a 15 year old child deserve less protection from violence under the law than an adult man? Beating a child is a _worse_ crime than beating an adult not the other way around, the perpetrator should definitely face criminal charges and be punished to whatever extent american law usually punishes cretins who beats innocent people senseless for the fun of it.
You've missed the point here, the bully is a minor, end of, your argument fails, and I'm quite surprised that a fellow forumite who hails from Sweden is supportive of a minor doing time.
I recall a case from Sweden where two young boys killed another boy, they were under the age of 10. As a result, both boys were given free counselling, one of them turned out fine, like any other sane member of society, the other was deemed dangerous. Fancy turning a child who killed another child into a model citizen from counselling, if the same was done for less severe cases, the world would be a much better place...
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On November 01 2011 11:07 masterbreti wrote:
I want to respond to a lot of people saying "well he should be treated no different than others" and such.
Right now suicide among Gay students are extremely high compared to straight students. This is due to bullying like that which has transpired. To put it this way. This news peice raises awareness of the bullying taking place and can open some eyes to this issue and hopefully promote a safer school place and safer world in which we live.
Now in saying that. We could say (as some have metioned) That you can "choose," to be gay, by that I mean, be open about being Gay.
I want people to go to youtube and to watch some of the coming out stories LGBT teens have posted online and really try to feel for everybody who has been in that situaition.
To put it this way. A lot of gay teens are extremely depressed about not being able to be who they are to the world. Its like trying to hide to the entire world who you are. It can be tricky business and often leads to depression and in many cases suicide. This is present while the teen is trying to figure out who they are and why they are who they are.
Living in a world where not to many people accept you is a hard thing to overcome. Many times coming out results in loss of firends, even family members.
But human nature always gives us that need for companionship. The need to be with someone for the rest of our lives. That need to be loved is in everyones genetic code. and not being able to get that in a time of our life when that aspect of human nature is in full swing (with dating in high school being such a major part of high school life for many). That can be another cause of depression.
This is a minority that is still very wildy harassed and often subject to a lot of hate. So often of things are left the way they are. Suicides will contiune to skyrocket in this minority. Nobody wants people to lose their lives over this. And people are.
This is the reason why incidents like this kept being brought up. So that awareness can be raised about the issue of gay bullying. So something can be done about it. Lets say this didn't make news. Lets say the child didn't have such an amazing mother as he has. What would happen? Likely bullying would contiune. But then when does it end. Does the child grow a think skin and learn to go with the punches. Or does he take drastic action and try to end his life. Stories like this, that don't make news. That is when we see gay teens taking drastic action and attempting suicide.
I would love to live in a world where nobody would be bullied for any reason. regardless of age, colour, religion, sexual perference. But we don't live in that world yet.
When I was working as a gay rights activist. I saw so many teens that were suffering from dperession, and almost commiting suicide over it. We should not be at a point where this still happens. It would myself be hard to give such kids advice, as I've never had to go through what they are going through (being straight myself). But being able to help the students feel they have someone to talk to was important to the process of them growing to love themselves. and be confident in who they are.
I rambled a little bit didn't I. Anyways I had a long drawn out post to provide, but forgot a lot of it while writing.
This bashing had nothing to do with the student being gay, the mother said so herself.
(lol)
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On November 02 2011 18:44 meatbox wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2011 02:17 KlaCkoN wrote:On October 30 2011 08:21 meatbox wrote:On October 30 2011 07:43 iamahydralisk wrote:On October 30 2011 07:35 meatbox wrote:On October 30 2011 07:19 iamahydralisk wrote:On October 30 2011 07:14 meatbox wrote:On October 29 2011 15:14 Dfgj wrote:On October 29 2011 14:45 meatbox wrote:
Look at this terrible American attitude towards punishment for crime, quite disappointing to see the majority wanting to see a teenager placed in prison, you're all worse than him...
The child's sense of morals were instilled by his parents, you can't blame a 15 year old, someone who can be so easily manipulated, for such a crime. He was obviously influenced by someone, be it his parents or bad company.
The right punishment would be a suspension, during that period a psychological correction facility should accommodate for his misplaced sense of morality. At 15 I was quite capable of thinking for myself, thanks. It's his own fault for not only harboring such prejudices, but acting aggressively on them. Is it HIS fault for harbouring such prejudices? Really? He was obviously influenced by someone, a jail sentence would ruin any hope of future that he had... Bullies need the most help, not their victims. Yes, it IS his fault because 15 is plenty old enough to know that beating the shit out of someone just because they are harmlessly and insignificantly different from you is a bad thing to do. You should really quit barking up this tree cause it's gonna get you absolutely no where. Didn't expect to get through to anyone, had no expectations to begin with, sending a 15 year old to jail is cruel, unfair on the child, he'll spend a majority of his life there when there are clearly better and cheaper alternatives, anyway more government expenditure per capita is given to prisoners than public school students, what a fucked up world. He's going to "spend a majority of his life there?" What? lol. Stop acting like he killed someone or something. He deserves to be removed from society for a while so he can learn what he did wrong. If he doesn't get a sizable punishment for this, he'll probably just keep doing it until he does. The child will learn nothing from going to prison, prison is for adults not children, to think 70% believe a charge should be laid... The mother of the victim said it wasn't a hate crime and wanted the administration to be fired for not dealing with the issue earlier, there were warning signs. Counselling would be the best outcome for both parties, any criminal sentence would limit career choices, all Government jobs require no criminal records, and a future of petty crimes, being in and out of prison is the most likely future if the forumites of TL have their way... If a random person went up to you on the street and hit you in the head until you passed out would "counseling" be an appropriate punishment? Then why does a 15 year old child deserve less protection from violence under the law than an adult man? Beating a child is a _worse_ crime than beating an adult not the other way around, the perpetrator should definitely face criminal charges and be punished to whatever extent american law usually punishes cretins who beats innocent people senseless for the fun of it. You've missed the point here, the bully is a minor, end of, your argument fails, and I'm quite surprised that a fellow forumite who hails from Sweden is supportive of a minor doing time. I recall a case from Sweden where two young boys killed another boy, they were under the age of 10. As a result, both boys were given free counselling, one of them turned out fine, like any other sane member of society, the other was deemed dangerous. Fancy turning a child who killed another child into a model citizen from counselling, if the same was done for less severe cases, the world would be a much better place...
As far as I know the justice system in America, this can be charged as a hate crime and go to federal court. And I think that is what should happen, because an example should be given. Only with strong measures prejudices can be changed. And it's fine to put a bully to rot in jail just for a dozen of years if it will be for the greater good.
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On November 02 2011 18:45 meatbox wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2011 11:07 masterbreti wrote:
I want to respond to a lot of people saying "well he should be treated no different than others" and such.
Right now suicide among Gay students are extremely high compared to straight students. This is due to bullying like that which has transpired. To put it this way. This news peice raises awareness of the bullying taking place and can open some eyes to this issue and hopefully promote a safer school place and safer world in which we live.
Now in saying that. We could say (as some have metioned) That you can "choose," to be gay, by that I mean, be open about being Gay.
I want people to go to youtube and to watch some of the coming out stories LGBT teens have posted online and really try to feel for everybody who has been in that situaition.
To put it this way. A lot of gay teens are extremely depressed about not being able to be who they are to the world. Its like trying to hide to the entire world who you are. It can be tricky business and often leads to depression and in many cases suicide. This is present while the teen is trying to figure out who they are and why they are who they are.
Living in a world where not to many people accept you is a hard thing to overcome. Many times coming out results in loss of firends, even family members.
But human nature always gives us that need for companionship. The need to be with someone for the rest of our lives. That need to be loved is in everyones genetic code. and not being able to get that in a time of our life when that aspect of human nature is in full swing (with dating in high school being such a major part of high school life for many). That can be another cause of depression.
This is a minority that is still very wildy harassed and often subject to a lot of hate. So often of things are left the way they are. Suicides will contiune to skyrocket in this minority. Nobody wants people to lose their lives over this. And people are.
This is the reason why incidents like this kept being brought up. So that awareness can be raised about the issue of gay bullying. So something can be done about it. Lets say this didn't make news. Lets say the child didn't have such an amazing mother as he has. What would happen? Likely bullying would contiune. But then when does it end. Does the child grow a think skin and learn to go with the punches. Or does he take drastic action and try to end his life. Stories like this, that don't make news. That is when we see gay teens taking drastic action and attempting suicide.
I would love to live in a world where nobody would be bullied for any reason. regardless of age, colour, religion, sexual perference. But we don't live in that world yet.
When I was working as a gay rights activist. I saw so many teens that were suffering from dperession, and almost commiting suicide over it. We should not be at a point where this still happens. It would myself be hard to give such kids advice, as I've never had to go through what they are going through (being straight myself). But being able to help the students feel they have someone to talk to was important to the process of them growing to love themselves. and be confident in who they are.
I rambled a little bit didn't I. Anyways I had a long drawn out post to provide, but forgot a lot of it while writing. This bashing had nothing to do with the student being gay, the mother said so herself. (lol)
So is there really no repercussions for murder if you do it at young enough of an age? It's just "oh well, give him some counseling, don't do it again please!"
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If someone beats another person to the point of significant bodily injury (chipped tooth, possible concussion), that is assault. If it happened on the street there would be no question that charges should be filed, I don't understand why we would treat this crime any differently just because it happened in a school.
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and one more thing, there is the age factor that is playing a big thing...... that bully probly wont be beating up gay adults when hes older by looking at the classrooom looks like upper middle class poeple with houses and dinner to go home to its an adolescent thing, the reason why gay students suicide is on the rise is because of the same thing they are teenagers dotn have the proper tools to cope and understand the ignorance of others yet, dont get me wrong this kid beating up the kid who doesnt wanna fight is intrinsically wrong in my eyes but i dotn believe this is a national newsworthy story that should be grabbing all your sympathy..... perhaps that gay kid was talking shit about the bully and the real reason he wanted to smash him wasnt specifically becuase hes gay its because of other things aswell, we as viewers of a youtube video should not make distinctions and decisions upon what happened but more on the morale points of the situation and all that i can gleam from this is one kid doesnt wanna fight and the other is beating him so the above is the only conclusion that maes sence
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On November 02 2011 18:51 FireEagle wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 18:44 meatbox wrote:On October 31 2011 02:17 KlaCkoN wrote:On October 30 2011 08:21 meatbox wrote:On October 30 2011 07:43 iamahydralisk wrote:On October 30 2011 07:35 meatbox wrote:On October 30 2011 07:19 iamahydralisk wrote:On October 30 2011 07:14 meatbox wrote:On October 29 2011 15:14 Dfgj wrote:On October 29 2011 14:45 meatbox wrote:
Look at this terrible American attitude towards punishment for crime, quite disappointing to see the majority wanting to see a teenager placed in prison, you're all worse than him...
The child's sense of morals were instilled by his parents, you can't blame a 15 year old, someone who can be so easily manipulated, for such a crime. He was obviously influenced by someone, be it his parents or bad company.
The right punishment would be a suspension, during that period a psychological correction facility should accommodate for his misplaced sense of morality. At 15 I was quite capable of thinking for myself, thanks. It's his own fault for not only harboring such prejudices, but acting aggressively on them. Is it HIS fault for harbouring such prejudices? Really? He was obviously influenced by someone, a jail sentence would ruin any hope of future that he had... Bullies need the most help, not their victims. Yes, it IS his fault because 15 is plenty old enough to know that beating the shit out of someone just because they are harmlessly and insignificantly different from you is a bad thing to do. You should really quit barking up this tree cause it's gonna get you absolutely no where. Didn't expect to get through to anyone, had no expectations to begin with, sending a 15 year old to jail is cruel, unfair on the child, he'll spend a majority of his life there when there are clearly better and cheaper alternatives, anyway more government expenditure per capita is given to prisoners than public school students, what a fucked up world. He's going to "spend a majority of his life there?" What? lol. Stop acting like he killed someone or something. He deserves to be removed from society for a while so he can learn what he did wrong. If he doesn't get a sizable punishment for this, he'll probably just keep doing it until he does. The child will learn nothing from going to prison, prison is for adults not children, to think 70% believe a charge should be laid... The mother of the victim said it wasn't a hate crime and wanted the administration to be fired for not dealing with the issue earlier, there were warning signs. Counselling would be the best outcome for both parties, any criminal sentence would limit career choices, all Government jobs require no criminal records, and a future of petty crimes, being in and out of prison is the most likely future if the forumites of TL have their way... If a random person went up to you on the street and hit you in the head until you passed out would "counseling" be an appropriate punishment? Then why does a 15 year old child deserve less protection from violence under the law than an adult man? Beating a child is a _worse_ crime than beating an adult not the other way around, the perpetrator should definitely face criminal charges and be punished to whatever extent american law usually punishes cretins who beats innocent people senseless for the fun of it. You've missed the point here, the bully is a minor, end of, your argument fails, and I'm quite surprised that a fellow forumite who hails from Sweden is supportive of a minor doing time. I recall a case from Sweden where two young boys killed another boy, they were under the age of 10. As a result, both boys were given free counselling, one of them turned out fine, like any other sane member of society, the other was deemed dangerous. Fancy turning a child who killed another child into a model citizen from counselling, if the same was done for less severe cases, the world would be a much better place... As far as I know the justice system in America, this can be charged as a hate crime and go to federal court. And I think that is what should happen, because an example should be given. Only with strong measures prejudices can be changed. And it's fine to put a bully to rot in jail just for a dozen of years if it will be for the greater good.
more ignorant i was bullied as a kid bullshit, every single personal property crime or physical violence crime is a fucking hate crime, you dont do it cuz you love the mother fucker you are mad about somehting they have done and hate them, call it a sexism crime, a race crime, but this bullshit word hate crime is some stupid ridiculously uneducated shit and the fact of the matter is that the laws regarding "hate crimes" need to be looked at and revamped anyways. there is an example in my city vancouver british columbia canada, 2 drunk guys were pissing in bushes outside apartment building, 2 gay guys leaving building say something to them essentially tellign them to fuck off, drunk gays say fuck you homos and attack them, the drunk guys get charged with hate crime which in canada carriers far different sentences and makes it federal.....now the drunks said they didnt atatck them for being gay they attacked them for telling em to stop pissing and fuck off so how is this a targetted hate crime? it isnt but the gays atatcked felt that it was so bomb charged convicted sent to jail, almost like reverse racism well we gonna give these gay guys word more sway cuz well they are a minority catching some flak........
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On November 03 2011 02:58 Sgonzo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 18:51 FireEagle wrote:On November 02 2011 18:44 meatbox wrote:On October 31 2011 02:17 KlaCkoN wrote:On October 30 2011 08:21 meatbox wrote:On October 30 2011 07:43 iamahydralisk wrote:On October 30 2011 07:35 meatbox wrote:On October 30 2011 07:19 iamahydralisk wrote:On October 30 2011 07:14 meatbox wrote:On October 29 2011 15:14 Dfgj wrote:
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At 15 I was quite capable of thinking for myself, thanks. It's his own fault for not only harboring such prejudices, but acting aggressively on them. Is it HIS fault for harbouring such prejudices? Really? He was obviously influenced by someone, a jail sentence would ruin any hope of future that he had... Bullies need the most help, not their victims. Yes, it IS his fault because 15 is plenty old enough to know that beating the shit out of someone just because they are harmlessly and insignificantly different from you is a bad thing to do. You should really quit barking up this tree cause it's gonna get you absolutely no where. Didn't expect to get through to anyone, had no expectations to begin with, sending a 15 year old to jail is cruel, unfair on the child, he'll spend a majority of his life there when there are clearly better and cheaper alternatives, anyway more government expenditure per capita is given to prisoners than public school students, what a fucked up world. He's going to "spend a majority of his life there?" What? lol. Stop acting like he killed someone or something. He deserves to be removed from society for a while so he can learn what he did wrong. If he doesn't get a sizable punishment for this, he'll probably just keep doing it until he does. The child will learn nothing from going to prison, prison is for adults not children, to think 70% believe a charge should be laid... The mother of the victim said it wasn't a hate crime and wanted the administration to be fired for not dealing with the issue earlier, there were warning signs. Counselling would be the best outcome for both parties, any criminal sentence would limit career choices, all Government jobs require no criminal records, and a future of petty crimes, being in and out of prison is the most likely future if the forumites of TL have their way... If a random person went up to you on the street and hit you in the head until you passed out would "counseling" be an appropriate punishment? Then why does a 15 year old child deserve less protection from violence under the law than an adult man? Beating a child is a _worse_ crime than beating an adult not the other way around, the perpetrator should definitely face criminal charges and be punished to whatever extent american law usually punishes cretins who beats innocent people senseless for the fun of it. You've missed the point here, the bully is a minor, end of, your argument fails, and I'm quite surprised that a fellow forumite who hails from Sweden is supportive of a minor doing time. I recall a case from Sweden where two young boys killed another boy, they were under the age of 10. As a result, both boys were given free counselling, one of them turned out fine, like any other sane member of society, the other was deemed dangerous. Fancy turning a child who killed another child into a model citizen from counselling, if the same was done for less severe cases, the world would be a much better place... As far as I know the justice system in America, this can be charged as a hate crime and go to federal court. And I think that is what should happen, because an example should be given. Only with strong measures prejudices can be changed. And it's fine to put a bully to rot in jail just for a dozen of years if it will be for the greater good. more ignorant i was bullied as a kid bullshit, every single personal property crime or physical violence crime is a fucking hate crime, you dont do it cuz you love the mother fucker you are mad about somehting they have done and hate them, call it a sexism crime, a race crime, but this bullshit word hate crime is some stupid ridiculously uneducated shit and the fact of the matter is that the laws regarding "hate crimes" need to be looked at and revamped anyways. there is an example in my city vancouver british columbia canada, 2 drunk guys were pissing in bushes outside apartment building, 2 gay guys leaving building say something to them essentially tellign them to fuck off, drunk gays say fuck you homos and attack them, the drunk guys get charged with hate crime which in canada carriers far different sentences and makes it federal.....now the drunks said they didnt atatck them for being gay they attacked them for telling em to stop pissing and fuck off so how is this a targetted hate crime? it isnt but the gays atatcked felt that it was so bomb charged convicted sent to jail, almost like reverse racism well we gonna give these gay guys word more sway cuz well they are a minority catching some flak........
I don't want to be mean, but I can't actually understand what you are trying to say, and I'm not sure anyone else can.
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im saying the term hate crime is stupid and generalizes to much
and that just because your gay and get attacked doesnt mean its a hate crime mayeb your actions illicited the response not the simple fact that youa re gay thats what the example was about
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On November 03 2011 03:13 Sgonzo wrote:
im saying the term hate crime is stupid and generalizes to much
and that just because your gay and get attacked doesnt mean its a hate crime mayeb your actions illicited the response not the simple fact that youa re gay thats what the example was about
If you don't want people to think it's a hate crime you probably shouldn't scream "fuck you homos!" before you start hitting homos.
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