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thats fucking sickening, that shit never would have flown in a class that I'm in. What a bunch of disgraceful human beings for letting this go on right in front of them.
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On October 31 2011 10:17 FabledIntegral wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2011 10:03 Egyptian_Head wrote:On October 31 2011 06:52 Darclite wrote:On October 31 2011 06:19 Egyptian_Head wrote:On October 31 2011 06:06 Darclite wrote:On October 31 2011 05:52 Egyptian_Head wrote:
Dealing with people assaulting you is character building.
I never said being punched in the face builds character.
Are you really surprised that people are telling you how fucked up your view of this is? It will be amusing if one day some asshole gives you a concussion. I hope you thank him for making you a better person. At least you will be consistent. Who hasn't been punched in the face? Learning to deal with people like that does make you a better person (not as in more moral). Just him punching you in the face does not help you, it is you learning to deal with it that does it. Stop making that mistake. I would think it would be self evident. I don't think you even have a leg to stand on. Learning to deal with bullies (people who beat you up) builds character . How could that not be the case. I have responded to every single person who has made an objection and shown why they are wrong. No one has given any good objections to my responses yet I replied anyway showing why they were bad responses. The best objection I have gotten is that what I said is not 100% relevant. Go read the past couple pages if you are still not understanding my position which you clearly are not. I have said everything there is to say on this topic. Posting here is not longer productive and I have exams. good day. You said that with few exceptions, people who are bullied are wimps and the bullying builds their character. You said going to the authorities was a questionable response to getting assaulted. You said that victims are generally coddled and that's why they need to learn (as if it's that simple). You said that the victim needs to be dealt with rather than the bully. You said the victim in the video needs to "learn some life skills" I don't really know how these things are controversial. Any person with any compassion or logic would find your ideas disturbing. It isn't me misinterpreting you. Multiple other people in this thread are having similar reactions to your medieval mindset, so you are either not communicating what you believe well, or are just wrong. It's hard to articulate and support the idea "bullying is bad" because most rational people just accept that harming another person is wrong. It's amazing how there's always one guy on a forum who will take an extreme view and pick a fight with everyone. I don't understand how it could be deemed strange for me to watch that video and think that the bully is an asshole and should be punished, the victim should be protected, and find the bigotry exhibited to be a shame. Oh Jesus just go read what I have wrote, No wait let me simplify for you. Bullying is bad, bullies are being assholes. Maybe I didn't shout this loud enough? It is kind of obvious isn't it? However it is a necessary part of life learning to deal with bullies as they never fully go away. Another obvious statement. Learning to deal with bullies is a positive thing. Being obvious is obvious. The character building does not come form being hit or anything but rather from the person learning to deal with the bullies. Not something most people would argue against but whatever. It is best to learn how to deal with these people in the controlled environment that is a school to ensure victims are not hurt that bad. Its not like I am throwing anyone to the lions. When victims are hurt badly it is ok to get the authorities involved. There is no need over a single punch however. I don't know why any of you thought I felt other wise, I stated this upwards of 10 times. It should be an obvious things, not something I need to spell out. Bullys themselves are forced to grow out of violence or go to jail when they leave school. The problem on there end is solved by how society operates. I do not see the need to ruin someones life before there brain has fully developed like most of you do. Read up on how the brain develops in the teenage years. People who are bullied generally generally lack the life skill of dealing with bullies (Which may be social skills in some cases). Redundant statement is redundant. They will not learn this unless they are forced to, so rather let them learn it in the controlled environment that is a school where they are protected. Where is the baby killing monster machine that is my extreme ideas? Am I going crazy or something? I am starting to think you are a troll tbh. I will freely admit there are exceptions to everything I have said. I guess I apologize for assuming you would take obvious things as obvious? Like bullying people is a bad thing? I mean that is not someone one should have to say every couple of lines.. I apologize If you got the impression I was advocating teenage death matches but really all I have been saying its that bullying is bad but learning to deal with it is a necessary part of life as you will not always have someone to run to when you cannot handle it, school is the safest place to learn. I assume that was your problem as you have not stated it. You have just quoted some stuff and said look immoral stuff where none exists. I understand what you're trying to say, but it's the manner in which you're saying it, and it's *still* not really pertinent with the OP. So you may have said it before, I have already read your posts, but I don't really recall them all exactly. Can you tell me what you think is the best response to this case? There are many things that I think are ridiculous. For example, in an altercation between two people, simply touching another person is enough for battery/assault. But this isn't one of those cases. You even mention a single punch in your post, but clearly this wasn't a single punch. It was a pummeling. + Show Spoiler +I've gotten sucker punched in the face as early as 7th grade (during PE some kids basketball came to me from really far away, I decided to throw it back to them by chucking it as far as I could [to get it back to where they were since they were so far away]. It ended up hitting a guy smack in the face in the game that wasn't paying attention and it knocked him over. He sucker punched me in the face about 20 minutes later). A
A single punch, it's questionable, but I didn't go to anyone in charge. If he sucker punched me, and I landed on the ground, and he took advantage of that and he knocked me to a pulp? I'm going to report it now. Even more so if I didn't do anything wrong in the first place (which, I kinda did... but the gay guy didn't).
I mean, after seeing you post, I don't personally think you personally have the mentality of how you're coming off in this thread, but it's your posting style that's making you sound heartless. I mean, you didn't even properly give a rebuttal to the guy you just quoted... as it stands, what he said is completely valid. Anyways, to end it off, I do believe people should learn to deal with things themselves, at times. But I don't think authorities should ever use that as an excuse not to intervene and deal with the issue. The fact is, it IS assault. Even if the kid should "build some character," I mean that's the exact definition of assault. You say you don't think it would be much, if any, worse if that guy jumped a girl and started pummeling her. But the thing is, due to physical stature, etc. the guy in this case (or hypothetical girl) CAN'T stand up to the guy. If it was a 15 year old guy railing on a 9 year old girl, it would be even worse, correct? Because of inability to defend oneself... that's the entire premise for why women shouldn't be hit (and what I mean by this is that it's *worse* to hit a woman than a man. Of course, both are awful and many could argue they're equal. I'm merely talking about social values atm). Show nested quote +On October 31 2011 10:12 Synapze wrote:
Thousands of kids get beat up and bullied regularly and you choose to report the one homosexual kid?
Seems like being a homosexual = headlines these days. I wish I had all this attention when I got my ass kicked a few times in school. Clearly you didn't read the thread, as that's why it's relevant. If you're going to be another one of the dolts that comes for a one liner and says "does it really matter the reason he was beaten up that he's gay?" then read the topic, the issue has come up and has been answered enough. Yes, being a hate crime is relevant. And it's news - this one is clearly more interesting and discussion provoking. That's a major points of news on threads - not just to inform, but to discuss.
Dolts? Let me educate you.
In crime and law, hate crimes (also known as bias-motivated crimes) occur when a perpetrator targets a victim because of his or her perceived membership in a certain social group, usually defined by racial group, religion, sexual orientation, disability, class, ethnicity, nationality, age, gender, gender identity, social status or political affiliation.[1]
Now I ask you to please point out the last school beating that took place that wasn't a hate crime.
I got beat up in school because of my class and social status, where's my thread? Oh right you're just white knighting for the gay community.
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I remember my high school was pro gay..
Anyone bullying someone for being gay would have been beaten up themselves..
It's really unfortunate for this guy who was attacked in the video.
I really hope 5-10 years from now, he'll see that he will be far more successful than that punk bully will ever be.
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As Synapze said, pretty much all beating that happens in a school are hate crimes, i simply find it sad that the school would only suspend that child for 3 days. Plus i find it even worst that a "nerd" getting beaten isnt considered something serious, i remember getting the shit beaten out of me simply because i was considered a "nerd". Worst part is that my director punished me instead of my attacker, she kept me inside the school during recreation time to "protect" me from them.... So since primary school I seriously don't believe in justice since people are too cowards to risk their job /life to do the right thing.
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On October 31 2011 10:03 inamorato wrote:
Being gay is a life choice same as being a vegan, or a Christian, Jew, Buddhist, Muslim.
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I think it's a very dated idea that being gay is a life choice, I don't think anyone can pick and choose who they are attracted to unless they are in fact bisexual.
Concerning the video: I think it's a sick, savage attack and the sexuality of the victim is irrelevant. If it was motivated by the boys' sexuality then this should be reflected in the punishment. Just like if the victim were attacked for being female or for having different coloured skin.
People who want to blame the victim need to grow some compassion and empathy. I think there is a real danger that we in the West are fostering the kind of society and collective mindset where the victim is considered at fault. I find this genuinely more frightening than any kind of civil rights movement or over the top gay guy.
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On October 31 2011 10:03 Egyptian_Head wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2011 06:52 Darclite wrote:On October 31 2011 06:19 Egyptian_Head wrote:On October 31 2011 06:06 Darclite wrote:On October 31 2011 05:52 Egyptian_Head wrote:
Dealing with people assaulting you is character building.
I never said being punched in the face builds character.
Are you really surprised that people are telling you how fucked up your view of this is? It will be amusing if one day some asshole gives you a concussion. I hope you thank him for making you a better person. At least you will be consistent. Who hasn't been punched in the face? Learning to deal with people like that does make you a better person (not as in more moral). Just him punching you in the face does not help you, it is you learning to deal with it that does it. Stop making that mistake. I would think it would be self evident. I don't think you even have a leg to stand on. Learning to deal with bullies (people who beat you up) builds character . How could that not be the case. I have responded to every single person who has made an objection and shown why they are wrong. No one has given any good objections to my responses yet I replied anyway showing why they were bad responses. The best objection I have gotten is that what I said is not 100% relevant. Go read the past couple pages if you are still not understanding my position which you clearly are not. I have said everything there is to say on this topic. Posting here is not longer productive and I have exams. good day. You said that with few exceptions, people who are bullied are wimps and the bullying builds their character. You said going to the authorities was a questionable response to getting assaulted. You said that victims are generally coddled and that's why they need to learn (as if it's that simple). You said that the victim needs to be dealt with rather than the bully. You said the victim in the video needs to "learn some life skills" I don't really know how these things are controversial. Any person with any compassion or logic would find your ideas disturbing. It isn't me misinterpreting you. Multiple other people in this thread are having similar reactions to your medieval mindset, so you are either not communicating what you believe well, or are just wrong. It's hard to articulate and support the idea "bullying is bad" because most rational people just accept that harming another person is wrong. It's amazing how there's always one guy on a forum who will take an extreme view and pick a fight with everyone. I don't understand how it could be deemed strange for me to watch that video and think that the bully is an asshole and should be punished, the victim should be protected, and find the bigotry exhibited to be a shame. Oh Jesus just go read what I have wrote, No wait let me simplify for you. Bullying is bad, bullies are being assholes. Maybe I didn't shout this loud enough? It is kind of obvious isn't it? However it is a necessary part of life learning to deal with bullies as they never fully go away. Another obvious statement. Learning to deal with bullies is a positive thing. Being obvious is obvious. The character building does not come form being hit or anything but rather from the person learning to deal with the bullies. Not something most people would argue against but whatever. It is best to learn how to deal with these people in the controlled environment that is a school to ensure victims are not hurt that bad. Its not like I am throwing anyone to the lions. When victims are hurt badly it is ok to get the authorities involved. There is no need over a single punch however. I don't know why any of you thought I felt other wise, I stated this upwards of 10 times. It should be an obvious things, not something I need to spell out. Bullys themselves are forced to grow out of violence or go to jail when they leave school. The problem on there end is solved by how society operates. I do not see the need to ruin someones life before there brain has fully developed like most of you do. Read up on how the brain develops in the teenage years. People who are bullied generally generally lack the life skill of dealing with bullies (Which may be social skills in some cases). Redundant statement is redundant. They will not learn this unless they are forced to, so rather let them learn it in the controlled environment that is a school where they are protected. Where is the baby killing monster machine that is my extreme ideas? Am I going crazy or something? I am starting to think you are a troll tbh. I will freely admit there are exceptions to everything I have said. I guess I apologize for assuming you would take obvious things as obvious? Like bullying people is a bad thing? I mean that is not someone one should have to say every couple of lines.. I apologize If you got the impression I was advocating teenage death matches but really all I have been saying its that bullying is bad but learning to deal with it is a necessary part of life as you will not always have someone to run to when you cannot handle it, school is the safest place to learn. I assume that was your problem as you have not stated it. You have just quoted some stuff and said look immoral stuff where none exists.
I reread everything you wrote. You did say all of the things I said you did. All of the things were pretty messed up.
Also, you mention the development of the mind during teenage years. I never said "lock the bully up for life" or even discussed what should be done with him. As for the victim, bullying isn't always character building. It often leads to kids feeling depressed and isolated. It leads to poor outlooks on life and sometimes suicide. It leads to poor relationships during those years and as a result, poor relationships in the future. Telling these kids to toughen up doesn't make it better. Defining punishments to prevent bullying in the first place helps. I realize you mention suicide, but a kid shouldn't have to endure years of misery because those in charge are unwilling to do something about the bully.
Talking about bullied kids being "coddled" "wimps" is what's generating all the backlash here. You did say that. Reread what you wrote.
Also, when you use the phrase "there are exceptions" you should be specific. For example, the whole "people who are bullied are generally wimps" has a huge number of exceptions. In fact, the actual "wimps" are probably the minority. Additionally, this video showed a kid getting brutally pummeled who ended up with a concussion and a broken tooth and you are dismissing it as if he teased him and slapped him. Also, earlier in the thread someone said that later in life the bully will just be reported and go to jail and you said authorities weren't a good solution, yet here you say that it is okay. The reason FabledIntegral, Calyeah, and I have been having trouble with you is because you aren't being sufficiently clear. If no one is getting your point, they don't need to learn to read, you need to learn to write.
"all I have been saying its that bullying is bad but learning to deal with it is a necessary part of life as you will not always have someone to run to when you cannot handle it, school is the safest place to learn." is a very logical and reasonable statement. Thanks for stating your precise opinion. I agree with that. If that was what you have been trying to say the whole time, thank you.
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On October 31 2011 10:38 Synapze wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2011 10:17 FabledIntegral wrote:On October 31 2011 10:03 Egyptian_Head wrote:On October 31 2011 06:52 Darclite wrote:On October 31 2011 06:19 Egyptian_Head wrote:On October 31 2011 06:06 Darclite wrote:On October 31 2011 05:52 Egyptian_Head wrote:
Dealing with people assaulting you is character building.
I never said being punched in the face builds character.
Are you really surprised that people are telling you how fucked up your view of this is? It will be amusing if one day some asshole gives you a concussion. I hope you thank him for making you a better person. At least you will be consistent. Who hasn't been punched in the face? Learning to deal with people like that does make you a better person (not as in more moral). Just him punching you in the face does not help you, it is you learning to deal with it that does it. Stop making that mistake. I would think it would be self evident. I don't think you even have a leg to stand on. Learning to deal with bullies (people who beat you up) builds character . How could that not be the case. I have responded to every single person who has made an objection and shown why they are wrong. No one has given any good objections to my responses yet I replied anyway showing why they were bad responses. The best objection I have gotten is that what I said is not 100% relevant. Go read the past couple pages if you are still not understanding my position which you clearly are not. I have said everything there is to say on this topic. Posting here is not longer productive and I have exams. good day. You said that with few exceptions, people who are bullied are wimps and the bullying builds their character. You said going to the authorities was a questionable response to getting assaulted. You said that victims are generally coddled and that's why they need to learn (as if it's that simple). You said that the victim needs to be dealt with rather than the bully. You said the victim in the video needs to "learn some life skills" I don't really know how these things are controversial. Any person with any compassion or logic would find your ideas disturbing. It isn't me misinterpreting you. Multiple other people in this thread are having similar reactions to your medieval mindset, so you are either not communicating what you believe well, or are just wrong. It's hard to articulate and support the idea "bullying is bad" because most rational people just accept that harming another person is wrong. It's amazing how there's always one guy on a forum who will take an extreme view and pick a fight with everyone. I don't understand how it could be deemed strange for me to watch that video and think that the bully is an asshole and should be punished, the victim should be protected, and find the bigotry exhibited to be a shame. Oh Jesus just go read what I have wrote, No wait let me simplify for you. Bullying is bad, bullies are being assholes. Maybe I didn't shout this loud enough? It is kind of obvious isn't it? However it is a necessary part of life learning to deal with bullies as they never fully go away. Another obvious statement. Learning to deal with bullies is a positive thing. Being obvious is obvious. The character building does not come form being hit or anything but rather from the person learning to deal with the bullies. Not something most people would argue against but whatever. It is best to learn how to deal with these people in the controlled environment that is a school to ensure victims are not hurt that bad. Its not like I am throwing anyone to the lions. When victims are hurt badly it is ok to get the authorities involved. There is no need over a single punch however. I don't know why any of you thought I felt other wise, I stated this upwards of 10 times. It should be an obvious things, not something I need to spell out. Bullys themselves are forced to grow out of violence or go to jail when they leave school. The problem on there end is solved by how society operates. I do not see the need to ruin someones life before there brain has fully developed like most of you do. Read up on how the brain develops in the teenage years. People who are bullied generally generally lack the life skill of dealing with bullies (Which may be social skills in some cases). Redundant statement is redundant. They will not learn this unless they are forced to, so rather let them learn it in the controlled environment that is a school where they are protected. Where is the baby killing monster machine that is my extreme ideas? Am I going crazy or something? I am starting to think you are a troll tbh. I will freely admit there are exceptions to everything I have said. I guess I apologize for assuming you would take obvious things as obvious? Like bullying people is a bad thing? I mean that is not someone one should have to say every couple of lines.. I apologize If you got the impression I was advocating teenage death matches but really all I have been saying its that bullying is bad but learning to deal with it is a necessary part of life as you will not always have someone to run to when you cannot handle it, school is the safest place to learn. I assume that was your problem as you have not stated it. You have just quoted some stuff and said look immoral stuff where none exists. I understand what you're trying to say, but it's the manner in which you're saying it, and it's *still* not really pertinent with the OP. So you may have said it before, I have already read your posts, but I don't really recall them all exactly. Can you tell me what you think is the best response to this case? There are many things that I think are ridiculous. For example, in an altercation between two people, simply touching another person is enough for battery/assault. But this isn't one of those cases. You even mention a single punch in your post, but clearly this wasn't a single punch. It was a pummeling. + Show Spoiler +I've gotten sucker punched in the face as early as 7th grade (during PE some kids basketball came to me from really far away, I decided to throw it back to them by chucking it as far as I could [to get it back to where they were since they were so far away]. It ended up hitting a guy smack in the face in the game that wasn't paying attention and it knocked him over. He sucker punched me in the face about 20 minutes later). A
A single punch, it's questionable, but I didn't go to anyone in charge. If he sucker punched me, and I landed on the ground, and he took advantage of that and he knocked me to a pulp? I'm going to report it now. Even more so if I didn't do anything wrong in the first place (which, I kinda did... but the gay guy didn't).
I mean, after seeing you post, I don't personally think you personally have the mentality of how you're coming off in this thread, but it's your posting style that's making you sound heartless. I mean, you didn't even properly give a rebuttal to the guy you just quoted... as it stands, what he said is completely valid. Anyways, to end it off, I do believe people should learn to deal with things themselves, at times. But I don't think authorities should ever use that as an excuse not to intervene and deal with the issue. The fact is, it IS assault. Even if the kid should "build some character," I mean that's the exact definition of assault. You say you don't think it would be much, if any, worse if that guy jumped a girl and started pummeling her. But the thing is, due to physical stature, etc. the guy in this case (or hypothetical girl) CAN'T stand up to the guy. If it was a 15 year old guy railing on a 9 year old girl, it would be even worse, correct? Because of inability to defend oneself... that's the entire premise for why women shouldn't be hit (and what I mean by this is that it's *worse* to hit a woman than a man. Of course, both are awful and many could argue they're equal. I'm merely talking about social values atm). On October 31 2011 10:12 Synapze wrote:
Thousands of kids get beat up and bullied regularly and you choose to report the one homosexual kid?
Seems like being a homosexual = headlines these days. I wish I had all this attention when I got my ass kicked a few times in school. Clearly you didn't read the thread, as that's why it's relevant. If you're going to be another one of the dolts that comes for a one liner and says "does it really matter the reason he was beaten up that he's gay?" then read the topic, the issue has come up and has been answered enough. Yes, being a hate crime is relevant. And it's news - this one is clearly more interesting and discussion provoking. That's a major points of news on threads - not just to inform, but to discuss. Dolts? Let me educate you. In crime and law, hate crimes (also known as bias-motivated crimes) occur when a perpetrator targets a victim because of his or her perceived membership in a certain social group, usually defined by racial group, religion, sexual orientation, disability, class, ethnicity, nationality, age, gender, gender identity, social status or political affiliation.[1] Now I ask you to please point out the last school beating that took place that wasn't a hate crime. I got beat up in school because of my class and social status, where's my thread? Oh right you're just white knighting for the gay community.
Last school beating that wasn't a hate crime? They happen all the time. I sleep with your gf, you find out, you kick my ass. Not a hate crime. As mentioned in my earlier post, I got sucker punched because I accidentally threw a basketball that hit some guy in the face. Not a hate crime. I got jumped once in high school because some douchebags were pissed about an incident, and they wanted to take it out on my friend, so I tried to help him not get his ass kicked (although I knew it wouldn't help, it's just instinct for me to try) and got my ass kicked 8-10 guys vs 3 of us. I once nearly beat another kid up because he was relentlessly harassing a kid with down syndrome (slammed him into the locker and picked him up by his shirt, told him I would kick his ass if I saw him do it again). That's the closest I could possibly argue to a hate crime - and it would be me performing said "crime" of assault on the little shit because his *lacking* of a disability compared to the person with a disability.
Funny enough, I already posted that exact definition in this thread already. Thanks for trying to "educate" me though. As many have said before, the notion that everything is a hate crime is pure idiocy.
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That punishment is ridiculous. At my school, a regular fight gets you at least a week, and this was clearly not just a regular fight.
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On October 31 2011 10:03 inamorato wrote:
Being gay is a life choice same as being a vegan, or a Christian, Jew, Buddhist, Muslim.
Many scientists are beginning to discover that it is a result of chemicals and nerve cells in the brain as well as birth order. Hormones play a minor role as well. It is not a choice, which makes those who discriminate or hate based on homosexuality even more vile.
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On October 31 2011 10:03 inamorato wrote:
Being gay is a life choice same as being a vegan, or a Christian, Jew, Buddhist, Muslim. Have you ever heard of a country going to war over homosexuality? No, but there has been wars over religion for thousands of years. It's fear mongers like yourself that need to go through life in silence, not people who have a sexual disposition that is of the polar opposite of yours..
Umm no it's not? Ask yourself this: in a generally homophobic society such as the one in America where the majority of states do not let gays get married, and a ridiculous amount of people are stupid, prejudiced, and ignorant towards gays, why the fuck would someone choose to be gay? Also science stuff.
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this is such a one sided thread, our only options are to punish him or not. expel him? isn't of the problem a lack of education?
plus who knows what the lil faggot was doing, maybe he was being a flamboyant assbag and deserved to get put in his place. if i walked up to a girl and told her she had nice tits and she smacked me would you send her to prison? gays often fight their social stigmata by throwing their sexuality in peoples faces.
all im saying is maybe we all the parties involved learned something here...
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It seems that since the severity of the attack was captured on camera the administrations response should have been much more hefty.
The school's policy is probably any fight = 3 day suspension. This would be understandable, if only to be consistent with their punishing, but only to a certain extent. The capturing of the brutality definitely warrants a stronger response.
I answered police involvement in the survey, but ultimately that's up to the kid and his parents, not the school (at least I think so).
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On October 31 2011 10:03 inamorato wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2011 07:42 trainRiderJ wrote:
I hate to break it to you but the police force doesn't have the manpower to be involved in every school fight... I hate to break it to you but the police force typically has 1 officer at every school, and if they don't maybe they should take some off of this witch hunt of a war on drugs and assign individual officers to each school, or at the very least one or more per district/county. Regardless of the Police being at the school it wouldn't have prevented the fight. This was a premeditated 1st degree aggravated assault. He looks to be pushing 17/18 years old. 1st Degree Agg Assault is a Felony, which typically includes jail time. And yes a 17 year old can be put into county prison, where one of this behavior belongs. Worst case scenario he belong in a juvenile facility. It may fall under the guidelines of a hate crime, but it wasn't hate that provoked this crime, just a little too much of Cowboyitas. He wants everyone to know how hard he is. But there's one thing for sure, and that's when the gate closes whether it be adult county or juvenile, he'll soften up real quick. People of this nature don't deserve rehabilitation. They deserve punishment. Rehab doesn't cleanse the ambition to be a known tough guy, but some isolation or time with a legit Bronson will. Show nested quote +On October 31 2011 05:20 traderjoe wrote:
im against gays , but first im against violence , gays have to life in silence and dont should say what they are!, sry but this is the only way to life in peace in my opinion! Peace for everyone who try to be a good Human How does being gay infringe on peace. It's a matter of hate and the ambition to be feared. Homosexuality didn't provoke this crime anymore than the Wolf attacking the Sheep. It's a display of power, that is all nothing more. Being gay is a life choice same as being a vegan, or a Christian, Jew, Buddhist, Muslim. Have you ever heard of a country going to war over homosexuality? No, but there has been wars over religion for thousands of years. It's fear mongers like yourself that need to go through life in silence, not people who have a sexual disposition that is of the polar opposite of yours.. edit: quote added a fear post, fixed spelling
Being homosexual is not a conscious choice. It's the result of an individual's (especially early to teenage) psychological development. When people say they didn't choose to be homosexual, they are indeed correct, much like people don't choose to have acrophobia or PTSD. It has to do with changes in the chemicals in the central nervous system that cause these changes in response to experiences, development, and the like.
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On October 31 2011 12:04 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2011 10:03 inamorato wrote:On October 28 2011 07:42 trainRiderJ wrote:
I hate to break it to you but the police force doesn't have the manpower to be involved in every school fight... I hate to break it to you but the police force typically has 1 officer at every school, and if they don't maybe they should take some off of this witch hunt of a war on drugs and assign individual officers to each school, or at the very least one or more per district/county. Regardless of the Police being at the school it wouldn't have prevented the fight. This was a premeditated 1st degree aggravated assault. He looks to be pushing 17/18 years old. 1st Degree Agg Assault is a Felony, which typically includes jail time. And yes a 17 year old can be put into county prison, where one of this behavior belongs. Worst case scenario he belong in a juvenile facility. It may fall under the guidelines of a hate crime, but it wasn't hate that provoked this crime, just a little too much of Cowboyitas. He wants everyone to know how hard he is. But there's one thing for sure, and that's when the gate closes whether it be adult county or juvenile, he'll soften up real quick. People of this nature don't deserve rehabilitation. They deserve punishment. Rehab doesn't cleanse the ambition to be a known tough guy, but some isolation or time with a legit Bronson will. On October 31 2011 05:20 traderjoe wrote:
im against gays , but first im against violence , gays have to life in silence and dont should say what they are!, sry but this is the only way to life in peace in my opinion! Peace for everyone who try to be a good Human How does being gay infringe on peace. It's a matter of hate and the ambition to be feared. Homosexuality didn't provoke this crime anymore than the Wolf attacking the Sheep. It's a display of power, that is all nothing more. Being gay is a life choice same as being a vegan, or a Christian, Jew, Buddhist, Muslim. Have you ever heard of a country going to war over homosexuality? No, but there has been wars over religion for thousands of years. It's fear mongers like yourself that need to go through life in silence, not people who have a sexual disposition that is of the polar opposite of yours.. edit: quote added a fear post, fixed spelling Being homosexual is not a conscious choice. It's the result of an individual's (especially early to teenage) psychological development. When people say they didn't choose to be homosexual, they are indeed correct, much like people don't choose to have acrophobia or PTSD. It has to do with changes in the chemicals in the central nervous system that cause these changes in response to experiences, development, and the like.
There is an incredibly large portions of homosexuals that say they have known since they were very little, such as 4-5 years old. You state it's psychological development, but I question that. I very well believe some people were simply born homosexual.
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On October 31 2011 05:54 Egyptian_Head wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2011 05:46 PaqMan wrote:Damn, I feel bad for that kid. That happened all the way up in Ohio?? I'm from southern Texas and that sort of crap never happens here. But yeah police involvement is the way to go. Edit: On October 31 2011 05:20 Egyptian_Head wrote:
I never said assualt builds character, I said bullying does. It does this by forcing you to deal with it.
Bullying builds character? I've never heard of that. It causes some kids to commit suicide, though. It forces you to learn how to deal with it. You are developing something new hence building and character as it is part of who you are. I think it is an apt term.
Or it psychologically scars you for life (like with me) to the point where you can never have a healthy interaction with another human being ever again.
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On October 31 2011 12:57 FabledIntegral wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2011 12:04 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:On October 31 2011 10:03 inamorato wrote:On October 28 2011 07:42 trainRiderJ wrote:
I hate to break it to you but the police force doesn't have the manpower to be involved in every school fight... I hate to break it to you but the police force typically has 1 officer at every school, and if they don't maybe they should take some off of this witch hunt of a war on drugs and assign individual officers to each school, or at the very least one or more per district/county. Regardless of the Police being at the school it wouldn't have prevented the fight. This was a premeditated 1st degree aggravated assault. He looks to be pushing 17/18 years old. 1st Degree Agg Assault is a Felony, which typically includes jail time. And yes a 17 year old can be put into county prison, where one of this behavior belongs. Worst case scenario he belong in a juvenile facility. It may fall under the guidelines of a hate crime, but it wasn't hate that provoked this crime, just a little too much of Cowboyitas. He wants everyone to know how hard he is. But there's one thing for sure, and that's when the gate closes whether it be adult county or juvenile, he'll soften up real quick. People of this nature don't deserve rehabilitation. They deserve punishment. Rehab doesn't cleanse the ambition to be a known tough guy, but some isolation or time with a legit Bronson will. On October 31 2011 05:20 traderjoe wrote:
im against gays , but first im against violence , gays have to life in silence and dont should say what they are!, sry but this is the only way to life in peace in my opinion! Peace for everyone who try to be a good Human How does being gay infringe on peace. It's a matter of hate and the ambition to be feared. Homosexuality didn't provoke this crime anymore than the Wolf attacking the Sheep. It's a display of power, that is all nothing more. Being gay is a life choice same as being a vegan, or a Christian, Jew, Buddhist, Muslim. Have you ever heard of a country going to war over homosexuality? No, but there has been wars over religion for thousands of years. It's fear mongers like yourself that need to go through life in silence, not people who have a sexual disposition that is of the polar opposite of yours.. edit: quote added a fear post, fixed spelling Being homosexual is not a conscious choice. It's the result of an individual's (especially early to teenage) psychological development. When people say they didn't choose to be homosexual, they are indeed correct, much like people don't choose to have acrophobia or PTSD. It has to do with changes in the chemicals in the central nervous system that cause these changes in response to experiences, development, and the like. There is an incredibly large portions of homosexuals that say they have known since they were very little, such as 4-5 years old. You state it's psychological development, but I question that. I very well believe some people were simply born homosexual.
Interesting how you quote pre-adolescence, and I'd have to disagree. I think that homosexuallity is a choice, you are a product of your environment, how you were raised, the acceptance for differen't behaviors. Now that being said, homosexuality can also be a result of many things like stated above, chemical, some even resulting from the foods you eat, or the health of your parents. There are many articles over males being born more feminine due to the parents diet or drug / chemical involvement, birth defects / side effects. For some it is just a method of being 'accepted', People look at special needs the same way, you judge them differently till you understand their situation, i think a lot of people claim homosexuality to justify behavior and or gain acceptance or sympathy / understanding.
Understanding I am probably going to get a lot of responds to that, if you would like to discuss it over pm that is more convenient, not to stray to far from the topic. I think it is wrong to bully anyone because of their race, gender, or beliefs. I don't care if the victim was homosexual, christian, muslim, black or white, If the kid says 'its because he is homosexual' then that should be treated no differen't then racism or hatred towards someone because of their religion.
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On October 31 2011 12:57 FabledIntegral wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2011 12:04 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:On October 31 2011 10:03 inamorato wrote:On October 28 2011 07:42 trainRiderJ wrote:
I hate to break it to you but the police force doesn't have the manpower to be involved in every school fight... I hate to break it to you but the police force typically has 1 officer at every school, and if they don't maybe they should take some off of this witch hunt of a war on drugs and assign individual officers to each school, or at the very least one or more per district/county. Regardless of the Police being at the school it wouldn't have prevented the fight. This was a premeditated 1st degree aggravated assault. He looks to be pushing 17/18 years old. 1st Degree Agg Assault is a Felony, which typically includes jail time. And yes a 17 year old can be put into county prison, where one of this behavior belongs. Worst case scenario he belong in a juvenile facility. It may fall under the guidelines of a hate crime, but it wasn't hate that provoked this crime, just a little too much of Cowboyitas. He wants everyone to know how hard he is. But there's one thing for sure, and that's when the gate closes whether it be adult county or juvenile, he'll soften up real quick. People of this nature don't deserve rehabilitation. They deserve punishment. Rehab doesn't cleanse the ambition to be a known tough guy, but some isolation or time with a legit Bronson will. On October 31 2011 05:20 traderjoe wrote:
im against gays , but first im against violence , gays have to life in silence and dont should say what they are!, sry but this is the only way to life in peace in my opinion! Peace for everyone who try to be a good Human How does being gay infringe on peace. It's a matter of hate and the ambition to be feared. Homosexuality didn't provoke this crime anymore than the Wolf attacking the Sheep. It's a display of power, that is all nothing more. Being gay is a life choice same as being a vegan, or a Christian, Jew, Buddhist, Muslim. Have you ever heard of a country going to war over homosexuality? No, but there has been wars over religion for thousands of years. It's fear mongers like yourself that need to go through life in silence, not people who have a sexual disposition that is of the polar opposite of yours.. edit: quote added a fear post, fixed spelling Being homosexual is not a conscious choice. It's the result of an individual's (especially early to teenage) psychological development. When people say they didn't choose to be homosexual, they are indeed correct, much like people don't choose to have acrophobia or PTSD. It has to do with changes in the chemicals in the central nervous system that cause these changes in response to experiences, development, and the like. There is an incredibly large portions of homosexuals that say they have known since they were very little, such as 4-5 years old. You state it's psychological development, but I question that. I very well believe some people were simply born homosexual.
I question (actually, I know it isn't correct) that people have sexual attraction at the age of 4 lol. Even more striking is that they would be able to understand these feelings assuming it were possible to have them at that age. Furthermore, that they would remember them. I'm sorry man, but I'm going to have to call bs. It just reeks of it. Sexual attraction tends to start a bit before puberty, which starts at age 10-12 (girls start a bit earlier than guys), so I'm seriously going to have to call bs on those people. Maybe 8 or 9, yeah, when there's those crushes (which can't really qualify as sexual attraction imho), but 4? lolwut
That said, some of them kind of push the "born that way" scheme (and a few I've known have admitted that to me that they say it despite even they know it not being true, but as I've been told, it's something that's been pushed by the lobby and just stuck (mind you, there are many who are strongly influenced by the lobby and movement and honestly believe it)) as an extreme response to the jackasses who claim that they choose to be homosexual. Unfortunately, despite the exceeding research and money that has gone into this very topic, there is at best a theorized very small genetic influence. I mean, people aren't born with claustrophobia, nor schizophrenia, nor anxiety disorder. As a man of science, I tend to go by science. As it stands, this is conspiracy theory at best. The American Psychiatric Association even said that there is absolutely nothing proving the idea that genetics/biology in some form promotes homosexuality. Since then, nothing has arisen besides a few theoretical claims. You would think there would be hard data for a hard science, but there isn't.
That said, I've known a few homosexuals who had been straight well into their teens and then became homosexual. I've known homosexuals who became straight, a few by their own accords or developmental change, and a few who sought psychiatric therapy. This doesn't happen if "born that way". If we're going to believe that something that is at its best being a minor influence and only in theory at that is the absolute cause and truth, we may as well believe Congressman Louie Gohmert's Islamic terror baby conspiracy is 100% correct (rather, more than 0% correct). As a warning against any people who like throwing up strawmen, I don't care why and how homosexuality happens, and I have nothing against their legal and political rights (in other words, I don't have anything against homosexuality), but I don't like the propagation of myths as reality.
On October 31 2011 14:39 DanceSC wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2011 12:57 FabledIntegral wrote:On October 31 2011 12:04 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:On October 31 2011 10:03 inamorato wrote:On October 28 2011 07:42 trainRiderJ wrote:
I hate to break it to you but the police force doesn't have the manpower to be involved in every school fight... I hate to break it to you but the police force typically has 1 officer at every school, and if they don't maybe they should take some off of this witch hunt of a war on drugs and assign individual officers to each school, or at the very least one or more per district/county. Regardless of the Police being at the school it wouldn't have prevented the fight. This was a premeditated 1st degree aggravated assault. He looks to be pushing 17/18 years old. 1st Degree Agg Assault is a Felony, which typically includes jail time. And yes a 17 year old can be put into county prison, where one of this behavior belongs. Worst case scenario he belong in a juvenile facility. It may fall under the guidelines of a hate crime, but it wasn't hate that provoked this crime, just a little too much of Cowboyitas. He wants everyone to know how hard he is. But there's one thing for sure, and that's when the gate closes whether it be adult county or juvenile, he'll soften up real quick. People of this nature don't deserve rehabilitation. They deserve punishment. Rehab doesn't cleanse the ambition to be a known tough guy, but some isolation or time with a legit Bronson will. On October 31 2011 05:20 traderjoe wrote:
im against gays , but first im against violence , gays have to life in silence and dont should say what they are!, sry but this is the only way to life in peace in my opinion! Peace for everyone who try to be a good Human How does being gay infringe on peace. It's a matter of hate and the ambition to be feared. Homosexuality didn't provoke this crime anymore than the Wolf attacking the Sheep. It's a display of power, that is all nothing more. Being gay is a life choice same as being a vegan, or a Christian, Jew, Buddhist, Muslim. Have you ever heard of a country going to war over homosexuality? No, but there has been wars over religion for thousands of years. It's fear mongers like yourself that need to go through life in silence, not people who have a sexual disposition that is of the polar opposite of yours.. edit: quote added a fear post, fixed spelling Being homosexual is not a conscious choice. It's the result of an individual's (especially early to teenage) psychological development. When people say they didn't choose to be homosexual, they are indeed correct, much like people don't choose to have acrophobia or PTSD. It has to do with changes in the chemicals in the central nervous system that cause these changes in response to experiences, development, and the like. There is an incredibly large portions of homosexuals that say they have known since they were very little, such as 4-5 years old. You state it's psychological development, but I question that. I very well believe some people were simply born homosexual. Interesting how you quote pre-adolescence, and I'd have to disagree. I think that homosexuallity is a choice, you are a product of your environment, how you were raised, the acceptance for differen't behaviors. Now that being said, homosexuality can also be a result of many things like stated above, chemical, some even resulting from the foods you eat, or the health of your parents. There are many articles over males being born more feminine due to the parents diet or drug / chemical involvement, birth defects / side effects. For some it is just a method of being 'accepted', People look at special needs the same way, you judge them differently till you understand their situation, i think a lot of people claim homosexuality to justify behavior and or gain acceptance or sympathy / understanding. Understanding I am probably going to get a lot of responds to that, if you would like to discuss it over pm that is more convenient, not to stray to far from the topic. I think it is wrong to bully anyone because of their race, gender, or beliefs. I don't care if the victim was homosexual, christian, muslim, black or white, If the kid says 'its because he is homosexual' then that should be treated no differen't then racism or hatred towards someone because of their religion.
Now I don't disagree with you on some of what you said, but I'm going to have to be nitpicky. Just because homosexuals weren't born homosexual, doesn't mean they chose to be. You say choice, and what you said right after contradicts that choice of word. Psychological development isn't really conscious, especially in this regard. You don't really choose how you won't to be. I've fought several aggressive dogs of the larger breeds, come face to face with gangstas and thugs violent and armed, and came close to an engagement with a mountain lion that looked hungry. I wouldn't say it was all too scary. Then why do spiders make me feel a bit uneasy??? I didn't choose to be that way, even though I know that before about 9 or 10, I had no issues with them. I figure nearly getting bitten by a black widow may have something to do with causing me to be uneasy when I don't want to be, but it isn't my choice.
Secondly, it's socially suicidal to claim homosexuality. There's a lot of things you can make up in order to get acceptance or sympathy. One would have to be nuts to claim being homosexual for that reason when they aren't actually homosexual. HOWEVER, I have known straight males and have heard of a trillion other cases who claim to be homosexual in order to get to girls. So you are correct in that regard, but I fear not in others.
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This is just more proof that the south is backwards as fuck.
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On October 31 2011 14:49 BandonBanshee wrote:
This is just more proof that the south is backwards as fuck.
I see you're from Canada, do you guys just call the U.S. as a whole 'the south' now? This story comes from a town in Ohio.
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On October 31 2011 14:49 BandonBanshee wrote:
This is just more proof that the south is backwards as fuck.
Ohio is across Lake Erie from Canada. It's not exactly in the South.
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