Gay student gets beaten up in classroom - Page 48

On October 30 2011 22:51 Tedde93 wrote:
I agree that what he did was horrible but I do not believe this should be treated in any other way depending (in this case it being that the victim was a homosexual) on the motif for the crime. If a bully did this to say a "normal" guy I doubt the outrage would be the same, which sickens me.

On October 31 2011 04:19 Crushgroove wrote:



Its a fine argument. People get beaten up for acting like idiots. Is there evidence that every single gay student at the school has also been beaten up? No. They probably keep it to themselves. And again, the motives of the beating shouldn't matter... beating people is wrong. Kids got suspended for bullying/beating someone up. The kid happened to be gay. Still don't understand... kids fight all the time.

On October 31 2011 04:29 Egyptian_Head wrote:

Acting gay is no excuse for beating up someone therefore his acting gay is not an acceptable reason to beat him up therefore he is not at fault. Simple logic.

On October 31 2011 04:09 Roflhaxx wrote:
I am almost certain that the boy probably acts really gay at school as a reason for this. Because coming from experience gay people tend to just be ignored (still bullying tho) but not beaten like this. I drew this conclusion from the way the boy talked, it was more gay than the people from Fab 5...lol so I would not be surprised if he probably walks like a "model" or something as well. Not that I am trying to justify what the assaultant did I am just trying to say that it may have been partly his fault for acting really gay.

On October 31 2011 04:22 FabledIntegral wrote:


Oh shut up, that was anything but harmless. You think getting PUMMELED in the face multiple times builds character? You're an idiot. Would you say the same thing if it was a girl getting pummeled? I highly doubt it. For many gay people, their mentality is completely different. They have no intention of being an alpha or even a beta male. To say "it builds character" is completely absurd - especially concerning the conditions of the situation.

I've personally beaten other people up, and had the shit absolutely beaten out of me (at one point me and 2 friends were jumped by 8 other guys, no chance, just destroyed). So I would hardly call myself being oversensitive when it comes to this.

On October 31 2011 04:37 Crushgroove wrote:



Definitely never said it was ok. In fact, I wait specifically that beating people is wrong, and the perpetrators were punished. What I'm saying is that we shouldn't give a shit about the victims sexuality, it was his behavior that antagonized or painted him as a target, whatever. And regardless, this is a case of Kids had a fight at school, and the kids who started it got suspended. WHERE IS THE PROBLEM?

On October 31 2011 04:45 Egyptian_Head wrote:


Learn to read. I was speaking in general. Notice the sentence when I said " it happens ... world" and then I said the magic words "most of the time" i.e. not every time, therefore I have not said it was harmless in this case. Also note I never said getting punched in the face builds character, I said being bullied does. It forces you to learn how to deal with it. You are developing something new hence building and character as it is part of who you are. I think it is an apt term.

As to if it was a girl getting pummeled, my response would have to be the same. It would be the same if a girl pummeled a boy. It would be the same if a girl pummeled another girl. there is a slight issue because girls are generally weaker than guys so the point in school fights where you contact the authorities is probably sooner, but that differentiation is based on a physical difference so I think it is fine.

This has nothing to do with alpha males or beta males, it is about healthy social skills.


The fact that you respond so aggressively shows you are overly sensitive to this issue. You insult me without reading properly. Please do not do that again.

On October 31 2011 04:45 Egyptian_Head wrote:


Learn to read. I was speaking in general. Notice the sentence when I said " it happens ... world" and then I said the magic words "most of the time" i.e. not every time, therefore I have not said it was harmless in this case. Also note I never said getting punched in the face builds character, I said being bullied does. It forces you to learn how to deal with it. You are developing something new hence building and character as it is part of who you are. I think it is an apt term.

As to if it was a girl getting pummeled, my response would have to be the same. It would be the same if a girl pummeled a boy. It would be the same if a girl pummeled another girl. there is a slight issue because girls are generally weaker than guys so the point in school fights where you contact the authorities is probably sooner, but that differentiation is based on a physical difference so I think it is fine.

This has nothing to do with alpha males or beta males, it is about healthy social skills.


The fact that you respond so aggressively shows you are overly sensitive to this issue. You insult me without reading properly. Please do not do that again.

On October 31 2011 04:55 FabledIntegral wrote:

Learn to read? I can read perfectly - the fact that you posted about it in this thread means it should be relating to this issue. So therefore your "it happens... world" bullshit excuse is not even remotely relevant. If you had any basic knowledge about how threads work you would know that they are meant the subject matter is supposed to be relevant to the OP in particular - so when you go spouting something and then try to use the excuse "I was speaking in general" means you wrote a very poor post.

On October 31 2011 04:55 FabledIntegral wrote:

So you think it's fine if a guy pummels a girl? The physical relevance is everything in that situation. And the gay person in this case is clearly more equivalent to a typical girl (at the very least in mentality, fragility) than a guy, while the guy hitting him is quite muscular appears. At no point in the video do you see any point where "character" may have been developed.

Social skills are completely relevant to alpha and beta males, so what?

On October 31 2011 04:55 FabledIntegral wrote:

No, it doesn't mean I'm overly sensitive to the issue, it means I'm simply amazed at other people's ignorance. I don't really care about the health care issue so much in my country, but if someone else comes in and advocates that it's a good thing for the poor to not be able to afford healthcare, I'm going to say they're a moron.

On October 31 2011 05:07 sevencck wrote:

What point are you even trying to make? General bullying occurs around the world, therefore extreme cases of assault and battery motivated by what constitutes a hate crime are valid and character building because you can alternatively define it as bullying? Is that really your point? First of all the fact that bullying occurs doesn't validate it as normal behavior. People kill each other around the world too, that doesn't mean our reaction to it should be to shrug our shoulders when we see it happening in front of us.

On October 31 2011 05:07 sevencck wrote:
Your response would be the same if it was a girl being pummeled by another girl? That's both ignorant and irrelevant, since the pummeling is from someone bigger and stronger, and might as well just be a bigger male. If you believe it's character building for a boy, then why shouldn't it be for a girl? After all, building character isn't specific to males. The point raised about beating a girl like that was to drive this home. Sorry it went over your head.

Just to remind you, this is a thread outlining a violent and aggressive potentially life threatening hate crime. Why have you evaluated it as "healthy social skills?"

On October 31 2011 05:20 traderjoe wrote:
im against gays , but first im against violence , gays have to life in silence and dont should say what they are!, sry but this is the only way to life in peace in my opinion! Peace for everyone who try to be a good Human

On October 31 2011 05:20 Egyptian_Head wrote:


I never said assualt builds character, I said bullying does. It does this by forcing you to deal with it. You learn something new that adds to "you. There for building character is appropriate.

Bullying is normal behaviour in schools like it or not. find a school without bullying, if you can maybe I will say it is not normal in a school. but as far as I can tell there are bullies in every school so it is normal.

I also never said do not go to the authorities, I do not believe it is necessary in most cases but in serious cases go ahead, that is your choice. I do believe that 3 day suspension is appropriate though.





Can one girl not be bigger and stronger than the other? If one guy can pummel another guy why can one girl not pummel another girl?

It is character building for a girl as well. I never said it wasn't.

I never said it was healthy social skills. I said if someone is being bullied they probably need to learn some "healthy social skills", so should the bully but that is beside the point.

On October 31 2011 05:20 Egyptian_Head wrote:

I never said assualt builds character, I said bullying does. It does this by forcing you to deal with it.

On October 31 2011 05:37 sevencck wrote:

I agree, bullying can build character. It can also prompt someone to commit suicide. It depends on alot doesn't it? So really, isn't what you're saying more a story about your own life and irrelevant for any meaningful critique on the matter for the population at large? There are levels of bullying. There isn't much you can do about minor bullying, its part of humanity. Have you ever had your ass kicked? Ever kicked someone's ass? Stuff like this needs to be stamped out of schools. You can't be expected to go to school every day and be ready to scrap it out over dumb stuff. A 3 day suspension is a joke. It's a joke. When you can go to prison for 5+ years for the same crime by adding only 1 or 2 years on to the criminal's age, and the penalty is a 3 day suspension, then it's very clearly a joke.

On October 31 2011 05:37 sevencck wrote:

And you've missed the point about girls. Yes, girls can be stronger than each other, that's exactly the point. That being the case, what's the difference if it's a guy or a girl. If someone is in a position to bully you and kick your ass then fundamentally what's the difference whether it's a girl or a guy doing it? If you're against a guy kicking a girls ass then why doesn't it bother you when a bigger girl kicks a smaller girls' ass. It doesn't make sense.

On October 31 2011 05:37 sevencck wrote:


I'm still not sure what your point is. If it's that bullying exists in schools and can build character, then I agree, but that's at a different level of abstraction than this thread exists at. In other words, such a point really doesn't belong here, it's irrelevant. If someone makes a thread about stealing lunch money or pushing someone in a puddle, then post there instead.

On October 31 2011 05:46 PaqMan wrote:
Damn, I feel bad for that kid. That happened all the way up in Ohio??
I'm from southern Texas and that sort of crap never happens here.

But yeah police involvement is the way to go.

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Bullying builds character? I've never heard of that. It causes some kids to commit suicide, though.