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On October 31 2011 05:08 Egyptian_Head wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2011 04:55 FabledIntegral wrote:
Learn to read? I can read perfectly - the fact that you posted about it in this thread means it should be relating to this issue. So therefore your "it happens... world" bullshit excuse is not even remotely relevant. If you had any basic knowledge about how threads work you would know that they are meant the subject matter is supposed to be relevant to the OP in particular - so when you go spouting something and then try to use the excuse "I was speaking in general" means you wrote a very poor post. What I posted is completely relevant to the topic at hand. I do not see the problem. The topic is about some guy getting beat up. I gave it a context in which to place this. It is relevant.
But they aren't related - one is mere bullying, which you're trying to relate to everything, but the topic is revolving around a kid getting the shit beaten out of him. So it's not relevant. At the very least, you'd need a disclaimer.
On October 31 2011 05:08 Egyptian_Head wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2011 04:55 FabledIntegral wrote:
So you think it's fine if a guy pummels a girl? The physical relevance is everything in that situation. And the gay person in this case is clearly more equivalent to a typical girl (at the very least in mentality, fragility) than a guy, while the guy hitting him is quite muscular appears. At no point in the video do you see any point where "character" may have been developed.
Social skills are completely relevant to alpha and beta males, so what?
Once again I never said pummeling girls was fine, I said I think it is the same as the topic we are talking about. Which I never said beating someone up is fine, I merely said it builds character. That does not make it fine. Why would I support a 3 day suspension if I thought It is acceptable to pummel someone?
Whoops, my fault with the wording there. What I meant was that you'd be "just as ok with it." I do not think getting beat up builds character whatsoever - in fact, with MANY people it merely kills their self-esteem, throws them further into depression, and causes many to commit suicide. Maybe you should say "in some" (which I'd suspect a very small minority), it can build character.
On October 31 2011 05:08 Egyptian_Head wrote:
Also that is a video of someone being punched in the face, I never said being punched in the face builds character. I said bullying does, as it forces you to deal with it.
The video is what's relevant to the discussion, so I'm not sure how you don't see the issue here.
On October 31 2011 05:08 Egyptian_Head wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2011 04:55 FabledIntegral wrote:
No, it doesn't mean I'm overly sensitive to the issue, it means I'm simply amazed at other people's ignorance. I don't really care about the health care issue so much in my country, but if someone else comes in and advocates that it's a good thing for the poor to not be able to afford healthcare, I'm going to say they're a moron. If you truly didn't care you wouldn't feel the need to insult them as there opinion wouldn't matter to you as you do not care about the topic at hand. But this quiet beyond the point.
People may not care about politics, but throw out the possibility of being taxed at 90% and suddenly they care. You can't use extremes as an example when someone generally doesn't have an issue with something. It's not practical.
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On October 31 2011 05:52 Egyptian_Head wrote:
Dealing with people assaulting you is character building.
I never said being punched in the face builds character.
Are you really surprised that people are telling you how fucked up your view of this is?
It will be amusing if one day some asshole gives you a concussion. I hope you thank him for making you a better person. At least you will be consistent.
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On October 31 2011 05:58 FabledIntegral wrote:
But they aren't related - one is mere bullying, which you're trying to relate to everything, but the topic is revolving around a kid getting the shit beaten out of him. So it's not relevant. At the very least, you'd need a disclaimer.
Being assaulted is being bullied in some cases, especially in this case it clearly is bullying. One kid is being picked on because of his sexual orientation. I do relate my context to this case. I admit the guy went a bit far so 3 days suspension is deserved (I have explained else where why 3 days, in short, suspension is not a punishment to a kid and expulsion serves no purpose).
On October 31 2011 04:55 FabledIntegral wrote:
Whoops, my fault with the wording there. What I meant was that you'd be "just as ok with it." I do not think getting beat up builds character whatsoever - in fact, with MANY people it merely kills their self-esteem, throws them further into depression, and causes many to commit suicide. Maybe you should say "in some" (which I'd suspect a very small minority), it can build character.
I can agree, some people do not handle it well, they are the people who continued to be bullied throughout school, they should be helped. Not necessarily by protecting but what ever is appropriate. I said something similar in my first post.
On October 31 2011 04:55 FabledIntegral wrote:
People may not care about politics, but throw out the possibility of being taxed at 90% and suddenly they care. You can't use extremes as an example when someone generally doesn't have an issue with something. It's not practical.
I am just going to let this go as this is an example of truly not relevant.
This will be my last post today so I will not respond any longer. I have exams in like 4 days and this really is not productive. Good day.
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On October 31 2011 06:06 Darclite wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2011 05:52 Egyptian_Head wrote:
Dealing with people assaulting you is character building.
Are you really surprised that people are telling you how fucked up your view of this is? It will be amusing if one day some asshole gives you a concussion. I hope you thank him for making you a better person. At least you will be consistent.
Who hasn't been punched in the face? Learning to deal with people like that does make you a better person (not as in more moral). Just him punching you in the face does not help you, it is you learning to deal with it that does it. Stop making that mistake. I would think it would be self evident. I don't think you even have a leg to stand on. Learning to deal with bullies (people who beat you up) builds character . How could that not be the case.
I have responded to every single person who has made an objection and shown why they are wrong. No one has given any good objections to my responses yet I replied anyway showing why they were bad responses. The best objection I have gotten is that what I said is not 100% relevant. Go read the past couple pages if you are still not understanding my position which you clearly are not. I have said everything there is to say on this topic. Posting here is not longer productive and I have exams. good day.
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On October 31 2011 05:20 traderjoe wrote:
im against gays , but first im against violence , gays have to life in silence and dont should say what they are!, sry but this is the only way to life in peace in my opinion! Peace for everyone who try to be a good Human
Why should they have to live in silence??? They have the exact same rights as anyone. According you they should always live in fear of someone finding out they are gay? That's not right man, everyone should just accept them for what they are and not give a fuck.
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On October 31 2011 05:31 Cel.erity wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2011 05:20 traderjoe wrote:
im against gays , but first im against violence , gays have to life in silence and dont should say what they are!, sry but this is the only way to life in peace in my opinion! Peace for everyone who try to be a good Human Maybe you should be the one to live in silence.
i dont think so i dont want hurt someone here . but .....: i just try to find a real solution for all. whether you believe it or not gay humanity harm in many ways, although not their fault the gay to be gay is this the beginning of the problem to the rather informal
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On October 31 2011 06:22 LlOoKkIi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2011 05:20 traderjoe wrote:
im against gays , but first im against violence , gays have to life in silence and dont should say what they are!, sry but this is the only way to life in peace in my opinion! Peace for everyone who try to be a good Human Why should they have to live in silence??? They have the exact same rights as anyone. According you they should always live in fear of someone finding out they are gay? That's not right man, everyone should just accept them for what they are and not give a fuck.
Unlike on the internet where everyone pretends to be tolerant the real world works different. It's not normal to be homosexual. Some may tolerate it but there's a big majority which is disgusted by them. I don't wanna tell gay people what to do and I don't care what they do in their bedroom but they have to face the consequences when they come out to the public and celebrate their "gayness" at festivals like the CSD.
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On October 31 2011 06:32 traderjoe wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2011 05:31 Cel.erity wrote:On October 31 2011 05:20 traderjoe wrote:
im against gays , but first im against violence , gays have to life in silence and dont should say what they are!, sry but this is the only way to life in peace in my opinion! Peace for everyone who try to be a good Human Maybe you should be the one to live in silence. i dont think so i dont want hurt someone here . but .....: i just try to find a real solution for all. whether you believe it or not gay humanity harm in many ways, although not their fault the gay to be gay is this the beginning of the problem to the rather informal
Putting aside that every human harms humanity in one way or another, I couldn't think of a reason why gays should do that in particular. The one big difference between straight and gay people is that gay people can't reproduce. However the earth could use a few less inhabitants.
On October 31 2011 06:39 Carny wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2011 06:22 LlOoKkIi wrote:On October 31 2011 05:20 traderjoe wrote:
im against gays , but first im against violence , gays have to life in silence and dont should say what they are!, sry but this is the only way to life in peace in my opinion! Peace for everyone who try to be a good Human Why should they have to live in silence??? They have the exact same rights as anyone. According you they should always live in fear of someone finding out they are gay? That's not right man, everyone should just accept them for what they are and not give a fuck. Unlike on the internet where everyone pretends to be tolerant the real world works different. It's not normal to be homosexual. Some may tolerate it but there's a big majority which is disgusted by them. I don't wanna tell gay people what to do and I don't care what they do in their bedroom but they have to face the consequences when they come out to the public and celebrate their "gayness" at festivals like the CSD.
I've never seen a person having a problem with gays here. Aside from people who love to cause trouble just for the fun of it. There are regions on the earth where I wouldn't want to be gay, but I don't see problems here.
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On October 31 2011 06:19 Egyptian_Head wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2011 06:06 Darclite wrote:On October 31 2011 05:52 Egyptian_Head wrote:
Dealing with people assaulting you is character building.
I never said being punched in the face builds character.
Are you really surprised that people are telling you how fucked up your view of this is? It will be amusing if one day some asshole gives you a concussion. I hope you thank him for making you a better person. At least you will be consistent. Who hasn't been punched in the face? Learning to deal with people like that does make you a better person (not as in more moral). Just him punching you in the face does not help you, it is you learning to deal with it that does it. Stop making that mistake. I would think it would be self evident. I don't think you even have a leg to stand on. Learning to deal with bullies (people who beat you up) builds character . How could that not be the case. I have responded to every single person who has made an objection and shown why they are wrong. No one has given any good objections to my responses yet I replied anyway showing why they were bad responses. The best objection I have gotten is that what I said is not 100% relevant. Go read the past couple pages if you are still not understanding my position which you clearly are not. I have said everything there is to say on this topic. Posting here is not longer productive and I have exams. good day.
You said that with few exceptions, people who are bullied are wimps and the bullying builds their character.
You said going to the authorities was a questionable response to getting assaulted.
You said that victims are generally coddled and that's why they need to learn (as if it's that simple).
You said that the victim needs to be dealt with rather than the bully.
You said the victim in the video needs to "learn some life skills"
I don't really know how these things are controversial. Any person with any compassion or logic would find your ideas disturbing.
It isn't me misinterpreting you. Multiple other people in this thread are having similar reactions to your medieval mindset, so you are either not communicating what you believe well, or are just wrong. It's hard to articulate and support the idea "bullying is bad" because most rational people just accept that harming another person is wrong. It's amazing how there's always one guy on a forum who will take an extreme view and pick a fight with everyone. I don't understand how it could be deemed strange for me to watch that video and think that the bully is an asshole and should be punished, the victim should be protected, and find the bigotry exhibited to be a shame.
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If I was in that classroom I woulda thrown that kid into a wall. I don't care if that other kids voice and mannerisms are extremely annoying, no one gets away with beating the shit outa someone in front of a crowd of people.
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I find it quite amazing that from a video of a person being the shit beaten out of them based on their sexuality, there are actually people that sit there and instead of having any compassion go ahead and blame the victim for not having "life skills" (as if they would somehow stop this event from happening?), and there are still others spewing their bile filled view that someone being gay harms humanity or some other such rubbish.
This is the 21st century, shit like this and discussions like this should not be happening, the bully should face charges and every right minded individual should condemn such behaviour as having no place in a modern society.
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On October 31 2011 00:00 Egyptian_Head wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2011 23:51 Velocirapture wrote:On October 30 2011 22:42 Egyptian_Head wrote:
A little bullying builds character. Can we all stop acting so shocked that someone punched someone else a few times. It happens everyday in nearly every school in the world. And you know what most of the time it is completely harmless, it helps people who have had there parents coddle them there entire lives learn to deal with their problems themselves. Sure some people are beyond hope and kill themselves and we should watch out for these people and help them, but most people learn how to deal with this stuff and become better people for the experience. Seriously 3 days is fine. It is not the bully that needs dealing with, for the most part they grow out of it, it is the kid who cannot learn how to defend themselves that need to be looked at. If they cannot learn then what is going to happen when they leave school? People are just going to walk all over them for the rest of there life. But from the poll in the beginning it is clear this forum is filled with people who never were able to deal with there bullies. That or they are overly sensitive. This is such a crazy post lol. I am 28 and have an education and career. I am telling you right now that this type of conflict resolution needs to be punished really hard because as soon as the bully hits 18, if he lays a hand on ANYBODY the punishment is WAY more severe if they victim chooses to press charges. While I agree that jail wont happen for a school fight, you better believe that if a co-worker ever did this to me I would litigate them into the ground. Adults fight with money and process since they are way more damaging than fists. Was that meant to be an argument from authority? You are 28 and have an education and career? Are we meant to agree with you because of this? Why is it here? That is exactly why the bully doesn't need to be punished that much, bullies sort themselves out, if they don't they get sorted out quick. Wimps do not learn to stand up for themselves unless forced, that cannot happen if they are sheltered. Physical violence is not the only form of bullying. People need to learn to stand up for themselves. Better that happens in the sheltered school environment then when it could really damage them out of school.
Theres 2 sides for every story you say the kid should stand up for them self let me tell you about an American tragedy Columbine high school shooting. Two student fed up with being bullied decied to "stand up" for them self as you said and you know what happened? kids were killed mercilessly executed with shots to the head.
But i also agree that kids need to stand up for them self i understand the point your making but like i said theres always to possible outcomes.
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How many people here understand how schools work in the US? I see a lot of people from out of country posting their thoughts, and how they think police should be involved, or the kid should be expelled, or etc.
Here's how the system works.
One of my friends got beaten to a pulp in the locker room by a bunch of kids that didn't like him, and he got suspended for a week for being a part of a fight. Im in michigan, so its similar to ohio in terms of area.
Nobody helped him because they did not want to be part of the fight, if you're part of the fight theres a chance that you get in trouble too. At my school last year, a girl beat up another one for like 5 minutes outside in a hallway between classes, and nobody stopped to do anything because if they had tried to help, theres a high chance that they would have gotten suspended too. It's a stupid system, and theyre not trying to change it fast enough.
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On October 31 2011 07:26 13_Doomblaze_37 wrote:
How many people here understand how schools work in the US? I see a lot of people from out of country posting their thoughts, and how they think police should be involved, or the kid should be expelled, or etc.
Here's how the system works.
One of my friends got beaten to a pulp in the locker room by a bunch of kids that didn't like him, and he got suspended for a week for being a part of a fight. Im in michigan, so its similar to ohio in terms of area.
Nobody helped him because they did not want to be part of the fight, if you're part of the fight theres a chance that you get in trouble too. At my school last year, a girl beat up another one for like 5 minutes outside in a hallway between classes, and nobody stopped to do anything because if they had tried to help, theres a high chance that they would have gotten suspended too. It's a stupid system, and theyre not trying to change it fast enough.
This is truth. American school systems punish you for defending yourself/others who are being attacked. You pretty much just have to sit there and take the beating, or else you will get into just as much trouble as the person who attacked you. It's fucking stupid, but that's how it goes if you're in an American school. The school systems, while often claiming to be fighting bullying, are actually encouraging it through their policies. I'm in Texas, by the way, and it's the same down here as well.
I guess maybe they think that it'd be hard to figure out who started the fight, but every school I've been to has security cameras everywhere, so unless the fight was off campus(which means it's not the school's issue anyway) there's little excuse for those ridiculous policies. It's just one of the many failures of our public school system
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On October 28 2011 07:37 Whitewing wrote:
Hate crime, throw the kid in prison.
First response is still the best response. Gogo handcuffs and mug shots.
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On October 31 2011 06:32 traderjoe wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2011 05:31 Cel.erity wrote:On October 31 2011 05:20 traderjoe wrote:
im against gays , but first im against violence , gays have to life in silence and dont should say what they are!, sry but this is the only way to life in peace in my opinion! Peace for everyone who try to be a good Human Maybe you should be the one to live in silence. i dont think so i dont want hurt someone here . but .....: i just try to find a real solution for all. whether you believe it or not gay humanity harm in many ways, although not their fault the gay to be gay is this the beginning of the problem to the rather informal
How is the beginning of any problem? It seems like you have a major distaste for public displays. Ask yourself why? And even if you decide you still dislike them, are they really any worse than the super obnoxious alpha male types of guys that walk around like they're the shit? They're far more hostile/unfriendly, imo, than flamboyant gay people.
It's not like there haven't been huge strides towards tolerance in the last generation. I truly believe it'll continue moving in that direction, fast. As soon as the current older generation of 50+ people pass away, I'll believe the majority will be pro gay rights, and furthermore, not completely disgusted by it.
Not the current "tolerant" attitude of "idc what you do in the bedroom just don't do it in public" bullshit.
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On October 28 2011 07:42 trainRiderJ wrote:
I hate to break it to you but the police force doesn't have the manpower to be involved in every school fight...
I hate to break it to you but the police force typically has 1 officer at every school, and if they don't maybe they should take some off of this witch hunt of a war on drugs and assign individual officers to each school, or at the very least one or more per district/county.
Regardless of the Police being at the school it wouldn't have prevented the fight. This was a premeditated 1st degree aggravated assault. He looks to be pushing 17/18 years old. 1st Degree Agg Assault is a Felony, which typically includes jail time. And yes a 17 year old can be put into county prison, where one of this behavior belongs.
Worst case scenario he belong in a juvenile facility. It may fall under the guidelines of a hate crime, but it wasn't hate that provoked this crime, just a little too much of Cowboyitas. He wants everyone to know how hard he is. But there's one thing for sure, and that's when the gate closes whether it be adult county or juvenile, he'll soften up real quick.
People of this nature don't deserve rehabilitation. They deserve punishment. Rehab doesn't cleanse the ambition to be a known tough guy, but some isolation or time with a legit Bronson will.
On October 31 2011 05:20 traderjoe wrote:
im against gays , but first im against violence , gays have to life in silence and dont should say what they are!, sry but this is the only way to life in peace in my opinion! Peace for everyone who try to be a good Human
How does being gay infringe on peace. It's a matter of hate and the ambition to be feared. Homosexuality didn't provoke this crime anymore than the Wolf attacking the Sheep. It's a display of power, that is all nothing more.
Being gay is a life choice same as being a vegan, or a Christian, Jew, Buddhist, Muslim. Have you ever heard of a country going to war over homosexuality? No, but there has been wars over religion for thousands of years. It's fear mongers like yourself that need to go through life in silence, not people who have a sexual disposition that is of the polar opposite of yours..
edit: quote added a fear post, fixed spelling
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On October 31 2011 06:52 Darclite wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2011 06:19 Egyptian_Head wrote:On October 31 2011 06:06 Darclite wrote:On October 31 2011 05:52 Egyptian_Head wrote:
Dealing with people assaulting you is character building.
I never said being punched in the face builds character.
Are you really surprised that people are telling you how fucked up your view of this is? It will be amusing if one day some asshole gives you a concussion. I hope you thank him for making you a better person. At least you will be consistent. Who hasn't been punched in the face? Learning to deal with people like that does make you a better person (not as in more moral). Just him punching you in the face does not help you, it is you learning to deal with it that does it. Stop making that mistake. I would think it would be self evident. I don't think you even have a leg to stand on. Learning to deal with bullies (people who beat you up) builds character . How could that not be the case. I have responded to every single person who has made an objection and shown why they are wrong. No one has given any good objections to my responses yet I replied anyway showing why they were bad responses. The best objection I have gotten is that what I said is not 100% relevant. Go read the past couple pages if you are still not understanding my position which you clearly are not. I have said everything there is to say on this topic. Posting here is not longer productive and I have exams. good day. You said that with few exceptions, people who are bullied are wimps and the bullying builds their character. You said going to the authorities was a questionable response to getting assaulted. You said that victims are generally coddled and that's why they need to learn (as if it's that simple). You said that the victim needs to be dealt with rather than the bully. You said the victim in the video needs to "learn some life skills" I don't really know how these things are controversial. Any person with any compassion or logic would find your ideas disturbing. It isn't me misinterpreting you. Multiple other people in this thread are having similar reactions to your medieval mindset, so you are either not communicating what you believe well, or are just wrong. It's hard to articulate and support the idea "bullying is bad" because most rational people just accept that harming another person is wrong. It's amazing how there's always one guy on a forum who will take an extreme view and pick a fight with everyone. I don't understand how it could be deemed strange for me to watch that video and think that the bully is an asshole and should be punished, the victim should be protected, and find the bigotry exhibited to be a shame.
Oh Jesus just go read what I have wrote, No wait let me simplify for you.
Bullying is bad, bullies are being assholes. Maybe I didn't shout this loud enough? It is kind of obvious isn't it?
However it is a necessary part of life learning to deal with bullies as they never fully go away. Another obvious statement.
Learning to deal with bullies is a positive thing. Being obvious is obvious.
The character building does not come form being hit or anything but rather from the person learning to deal with the bullies. Not something most people would argue against but whatever.
It is best to learn how to deal with these people in the controlled environment that is a school to ensure victims are not hurt that bad. Its not like I am throwing anyone to the lions.
When victims are hurt badly it is ok to get the authorities involved. There is no need over a single punch however. I don't know why any of you thought I felt other wise, I stated this upwards of 10 times. It should be an obvious things, not something I need to spell out.
Bullys themselves are forced to grow out of violence or go to jail when they leave school. The problem on there end is solved by how society operates. I do not see the need to ruin someones life before there brain has fully developed like most of you do. Read up on how the brain develops in the teenage years.
People who are bullied generally generally lack the life skill of dealing with bullies (Which may be social skills in some cases). Redundant statement is redundant. They will not learn this unless they are forced to, so rather let them learn it in the controlled environment that is a school where they are protected.
Where is the baby killing monster machine that is my extreme ideas? Am I going crazy or something? I am starting to think you are a troll tbh. I will freely admit there are exceptions to everything I have said. I guess I apologize for assuming you would take obvious things as obvious? Like bullying people is a bad thing? I mean that is not someone one should have to say every couple of lines..
I apologize If you got the impression I was advocating teenage death matches but really all I have been saying its that bullying is bad but learning to deal with it is a necessary part of life as you will not always have someone to run to when you cannot handle it, school is the safest place to learn.
I assume that was your problem as you have not stated it. You have just quoted some stuff and said look immoral stuff where none exists.
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Thousands of kids get beat up and bullied regularly and you choose to report the one homosexual kid?
Seems like being a homosexual = headlines these days. I wish I had all this attention when I got my ass kicked a few times in school.
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On October 31 2011 10:03 Egyptian_Head wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2011 06:52 Darclite wrote:On October 31 2011 06:19 Egyptian_Head wrote:On October 31 2011 06:06 Darclite wrote:On October 31 2011 05:52 Egyptian_Head wrote:
Dealing with people assaulting you is character building.
I never said being punched in the face builds character.
Are you really surprised that people are telling you how fucked up your view of this is? It will be amusing if one day some asshole gives you a concussion. I hope you thank him for making you a better person. At least you will be consistent. Who hasn't been punched in the face? Learning to deal with people like that does make you a better person (not as in more moral). Just him punching you in the face does not help you, it is you learning to deal with it that does it. Stop making that mistake. I would think it would be self evident. I don't think you even have a leg to stand on. Learning to deal with bullies (people who beat you up) builds character . How could that not be the case. I have responded to every single person who has made an objection and shown why they are wrong. No one has given any good objections to my responses yet I replied anyway showing why they were bad responses. The best objection I have gotten is that what I said is not 100% relevant. Go read the past couple pages if you are still not understanding my position which you clearly are not. I have said everything there is to say on this topic. Posting here is not longer productive and I have exams. good day. You said that with few exceptions, people who are bullied are wimps and the bullying builds their character. You said going to the authorities was a questionable response to getting assaulted. You said that victims are generally coddled and that's why they need to learn (as if it's that simple). You said that the victim needs to be dealt with rather than the bully. You said the victim in the video needs to "learn some life skills" I don't really know how these things are controversial. Any person with any compassion or logic would find your ideas disturbing. It isn't me misinterpreting you. Multiple other people in this thread are having similar reactions to your medieval mindset, so you are either not communicating what you believe well, or are just wrong. It's hard to articulate and support the idea "bullying is bad" because most rational people just accept that harming another person is wrong. It's amazing how there's always one guy on a forum who will take an extreme view and pick a fight with everyone. I don't understand how it could be deemed strange for me to watch that video and think that the bully is an asshole and should be punished, the victim should be protected, and find the bigotry exhibited to be a shame. Oh Jesus just go read what I have wrote, No wait let me simplify for you. Bullying is bad, bullies are being assholes. Maybe I didn't shout this loud enough? It is kind of obvious isn't it? However it is a necessary part of life learning to deal with bullies as they never fully go away. Another obvious statement. Learning to deal with bullies is a positive thing. Being obvious is obvious. The character building does not come form being hit or anything but rather from the person learning to deal with the bullies. Not something most people would argue against but whatever. It is best to learn how to deal with these people in the controlled environment that is a school to ensure victims are not hurt that bad. Its not like I am throwing anyone to the lions. When victims are hurt badly it is ok to get the authorities involved. There is no need over a single punch however. I don't know why any of you thought I felt other wise, I stated this upwards of 10 times. It should be an obvious things, not something I need to spell out. Bullys themselves are forced to grow out of violence or go to jail when they leave school. The problem on there end is solved by how society operates. I do not see the need to ruin someones life before there brain has fully developed like most of you do. Read up on how the brain develops in the teenage years. People who are bullied generally generally lack the life skill of dealing with bullies (Which may be social skills in some cases). Redundant statement is redundant. They will not learn this unless they are forced to, so rather let them learn it in the controlled environment that is a school where they are protected. Where is the baby killing monster machine that is my extreme ideas? Am I going crazy or something? I am starting to think you are a troll tbh. I will freely admit there are exceptions to everything I have said. I guess I apologize for assuming you would take obvious things as obvious? Like bullying people is a bad thing? I mean that is not someone one should have to say every couple of lines.. I apologize If you got the impression I was advocating teenage death matches but really all I have been saying its that bullying is bad but learning to deal with it is a necessary part of life as you will not always have someone to run to when you cannot handle it, school is the safest place to learn. I assume that was your problem as you have not stated it. You have just quoted some stuff and said look immoral stuff where none exists.
I understand what you're trying to say, but it's the manner in which you're saying it, and it's *still* not really pertinent with the OP. So you may have said it before, I have already read your posts, but I don't really recall them all exactly. Can you tell me what you think is the best response to this case?
There are many things that I think are ridiculous. For example, in an altercation between two people, simply touching another person is enough for battery/assault. But this isn't one of those cases. You even mention a single punch in your post, but clearly this wasn't a single punch. It was a pummeling.
+ Show Spoiler +I've gotten sucker punched in the face as early as 7th grade (during PE some kids basketball came to me from really far away, I decided to throw it back to them by chucking it as far as I could [to get it back to where they were since they were so far away]. It ended up hitting a guy smack in the face in the game that wasn't paying attention and it knocked him over. He sucker punched me in the face about 20 minutes later). A
A single punch, it's questionable, but I didn't go to anyone in charge. If he sucker punched me, and I landed on the ground, and he took advantage of that and he knocked me to a pulp? I'm going to report it now. Even more so if I didn't do anything wrong in the first place (which, I kinda did... but the gay guy didn't).
I mean, after seeing you post, I don't personally think you personally have the mentality of how you're coming off in this thread, but it's your posting style that's making you sound heartless. I mean, you didn't even properly give a rebuttal to the guy you just quoted... as it stands, what he said is completely valid.
Anyways, to end it off, I do believe people should learn to deal with things themselves, at times. But I don't think authorities should ever use that as an excuse not to intervene and deal with the issue. The fact is, it IS assault. Even if the kid should "build some character," I mean that's the exact definition of assault. You say you don't think it would be much, if any, worse if that guy jumped a girl and started pummeling her. But the thing is, due to physical stature, etc. the guy in this case (or hypothetical girl) CAN'T stand up to the guy.
If it was a 15 year old guy railing on a 9 year old girl, it would be even worse, correct? Because of inability to defend oneself... that's the entire premise for why women shouldn't be hit (and what I mean by this is that it's *worse* to hit a woman than a man. Of course, both are awful and many could argue they're equal. I'm merely talking about social values atm).
On October 31 2011 10:12 Synapze wrote:
Thousands of kids get beat up and bullied regularly and you choose to report the one homosexual kid?
Seems like being a homosexual = headlines these days. I wish I had all this attention when I got my ass kicked a few times in school.
Clearly you didn't read the thread, as that's why it's relevant. If you're going to be another one of the dolts that comes for a one liner and says "does it really matter the reason he was beaten up that he's gay?" then read the topic, the issue has come up and has been answered enough. Yes, being a hate crime is relevant.
And it's news - this one is clearly more interesting and discussion provoking. That's a major points of news on threads - not just to inform, but to discuss.
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