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It's probably been mentioned in this thread, but in Canada there was a 15 year old kid that committed suicide because of something similar. He was gay, he was getting bullied, and he took what he saw was the least painful way out.
I honestly think something has to be done in regards to what some people would call "bullying", although I see these types of attacks as a hate crime. Plain and simple. These kids are being focused in on because they're gay. If this was an African American you can bet your ass that Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton would be throwing a fucking fit right now regardless if that example was or wasn't a hate crime. But because it's a gay male we should just look away and act like the kid deserves it? No.
The "bully" should be charged with assault and a formal investigation should be launched to determine if it was caused by the victim being a homosexual, thus being a hate crime. The parents should also be investigated by both the police and social services to determine if the household caused this type of behavior, which it probably did. Almost everything leads back home and even a simple slur like his father calling someone a, "Fucking faggot." can lead to something like this. School jurisdictions around the world NEED to change their practices into how they punish children. Period. No exceptions and no examples. They need to take steps to make school safe for their students.
I know gay people. One of my best friends is a lesbian. Shit like this just absolutely infuriates me. We're supposed to be this higher species that can send a man to the moon and build a habitable structure in space, but here we are fighting and killing one another like waring packs of goddamn chimps because someone else prefers something different behind closed doors in a bedroom. It is absolutely pathetic.
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He needs to face some extreme discrimination. And the best way to make that happen is put him in prison. He'll be discriminated against by everybody for the rest of his life.
On October 29 2011 14:45 meatbox wrote:
Look at this terrible American attitude towards punishment for crime, quite disappointing to see the majority wanting to see a teenager placed in prison, you're all worse than him...
No, you're worse than him
see, i can spout random ass bullshit too. Just because you're delusional doesnt give you the right to look down at people that actually have the sense to realize this kid is old enough that he should know this is fucked up. Its too goddamn late to teach this kind of scum what being human means.
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On October 29 2011 13:03 PerkyPenguin wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2011 12:59 .Aar wrote:On October 29 2011 12:45 PerkyPenguin wrote:
Is it wrong of me to say that it is life? While I was growing up fights were common and taught me lessons that I have used in the rest of my life. I learned not to backdown from those who might have a size advantage over me, and to defend myself.
I guess what I'm saying is not everyone lives the perfect life and for most of us it's eat or get eaten. Just because you had a shitty childhood doesn't mean everyone else needs to, too. It wasn't "shitty" at all, I wouldn't have changed any part of it. It helped me grow into the man I am today and as I said earlier, it taught me valuable lessons. You would be suprised what a good butt-kicking would teach you if you let it.
Yeah I'm sure this poor kid getting his face beaten in because he is gay has learnt a lot from it and is now a better person because of it :/
I'm not sure how it 'helping you grow into the man you are today' is a good arguement, because if you think someone getting their head kicked in because they're gay is justified then I don't think you are a very good man at all :/ it wasn't a fight it was a 1 sided ass kicking, if he wanted to learn to defend himself there are better ways than being being physically and emotionally abused.
I do agree learning how to defend yourself is a good thing though.
Personally I think expulsion is the bare minimum, should have charges pressed against him too.
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That looked like the guy had some serious problems just by watching that video. He should get some help before he kills someone. Because if the other guy being gay was his only reason to do that, then he'll be really busy in the future.
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Can beating up nerds become a hate crime too?
Why exactly is it worse to beat up someone because they are gay than because they are weak or shy?
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On October 29 2011 13:03 PerkyPenguin wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2011 12:59 .Aar wrote:On October 29 2011 12:45 PerkyPenguin wrote:
Is it wrong of me to say that it is life? While I was growing up fights were common and taught me lessons that I have used in the rest of my life. I learned not to backdown from those who might have a size advantage over me, and to defend myself.
I guess what I'm saying is not everyone lives the perfect life and for most of us it's eat or get eaten. Just because you had a shitty childhood doesn't mean everyone else needs to, too. It wasn't "shitty" at all, I wouldn't have changed any part of it. It helped me grow into the man I am today and as I said earlier, it taught me valuable lessons. You would be suprised what a good butt-kicking would teach you if you let it.
If it had been a semi-discreet dust-up between two kids roughly the same size and both inclined to fight, I might agree with you.
The problem is, these aren't the schoolyard fights of your rose-tinted childhood. These days, sad as it is, kids are being denied their right to self defense by the school regulations. The exchange was one-way, from the bigger boy to the smaller boy, and not an attempt at resolving any conflict between them.
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On October 29 2011 15:14 Dfgj wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2011 14:45 meatbox wrote:
Look at this terrible American attitude towards punishment for crime, quite disappointing to see the majority wanting to see a teenager placed in prison, you're all worse than him...
The child's sense of morals were instilled by his parents, you can't blame a 15 year old, someone who can be so easily manipulated, for such a crime. He was obviously influenced by someone, be it his parents or bad company.
The right punishment would be a suspension, during that period a psychological correction facility should accommodate for his misplaced sense of morality. At 15 I was quite capable of thinking for myself, thanks. It's his own fault for not only harboring such prejudices, but acting aggressively on them.
Is it HIS fault for harbouring such prejudices? Really? He was obviously influenced by someone, a jail sentence would ruin any hope of future that he had... Bullies need the most help, not their victims.
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On October 30 2011 07:14 meatbox wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2011 15:14 Dfgj wrote:On October 29 2011 14:45 meatbox wrote:
Look at this terrible American attitude towards punishment for crime, quite disappointing to see the majority wanting to see a teenager placed in prison, you're all worse than him...
The child's sense of morals were instilled by his parents, you can't blame a 15 year old, someone who can be so easily manipulated, for such a crime. He was obviously influenced by someone, be it his parents or bad company.
The right punishment would be a suspension, during that period a psychological correction facility should accommodate for his misplaced sense of morality. At 15 I was quite capable of thinking for myself, thanks. It's his own fault for not only harboring such prejudices, but acting aggressively on them. Is it HIS fault for harbouring such prejudices? Really? He was obviously influenced by someone, a jail sentence would ruin any hope of future that he had... Bullies need the most help, not their victims.
Yes, it IS his fault because 15 is plenty old enough to know that beating the shit out of someone just because they are harmlessly and insignificantly different from you is a bad thing to do. You should really quit barking up this tree cause it's gonna get you absolutely no where.
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On October 30 2011 07:19 iamahydralisk wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2011 07:14 meatbox wrote:On October 29 2011 15:14 Dfgj wrote:On October 29 2011 14:45 meatbox wrote:
Look at this terrible American attitude towards punishment for crime, quite disappointing to see the majority wanting to see a teenager placed in prison, you're all worse than him...
The child's sense of morals were instilled by his parents, you can't blame a 15 year old, someone who can be so easily manipulated, for such a crime. He was obviously influenced by someone, be it his parents or bad company.
The right punishment would be a suspension, during that period a psychological correction facility should accommodate for his misplaced sense of morality. At 15 I was quite capable of thinking for myself, thanks. It's his own fault for not only harboring such prejudices, but acting aggressively on them. Is it HIS fault for harbouring such prejudices? Really? He was obviously influenced by someone, a jail sentence would ruin any hope of future that he had... Bullies need the most help, not their victims. Yes, it IS his fault because 15 is plenty old enough to know that beating the shit out of someone just because they are harmlessly and insignificantly different from you is a bad thing to do. You should really quit barking up this tree cause it's gonna get you absolutely no where.
Didn't expect to get through to anyone, had no expectations to begin with, sending a 15 year old to jail is cruel, unfair on the child, he'll spend a majority of his life there when there are clearly better and cheaper alternatives, anyway more government expenditure per capita is given to prisoners than public school students, what a fucked up world. 
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On October 30 2011 07:35 meatbox wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2011 07:19 iamahydralisk wrote:On October 30 2011 07:14 meatbox wrote:On October 29 2011 15:14 Dfgj wrote:On October 29 2011 14:45 meatbox wrote:
Look at this terrible American attitude towards punishment for crime, quite disappointing to see the majority wanting to see a teenager placed in prison, you're all worse than him...
The child's sense of morals were instilled by his parents, you can't blame a 15 year old, someone who can be so easily manipulated, for such a crime. He was obviously influenced by someone, be it his parents or bad company.
The right punishment would be a suspension, during that period a psychological correction facility should accommodate for his misplaced sense of morality. At 15 I was quite capable of thinking for myself, thanks. It's his own fault for not only harboring such prejudices, but acting aggressively on them. Is it HIS fault for harbouring such prejudices? Really? He was obviously influenced by someone, a jail sentence would ruin any hope of future that he had... Bullies need the most help, not their victims. Yes, it IS his fault because 15 is plenty old enough to know that beating the shit out of someone just because they are harmlessly and insignificantly different from you is a bad thing to do. You should really quit barking up this tree cause it's gonna get you absolutely no where. Didn't expect to get through to anyone, had no expectations to begin with, sending a 15 year old to jail is cruel, unfair on the child, he'll spend a majority of his life there when there are clearly better and cheaper alternatives, anyway more government expenditure per capita is given to prisoners than public school students, what a fucked up world.
He's going to "spend a majority of his life there?" What? lol. Stop acting like he killed someone or something. He deserves to be removed from society for a while so he can learn what he did wrong. If he doesn't get a sizable punishment for this, he'll probably just keep doing it until he does.
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Break the bullies legs! Cripple for life!
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On October 30 2011 07:43 iamahydralisk wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2011 07:35 meatbox wrote:On October 30 2011 07:19 iamahydralisk wrote:On October 30 2011 07:14 meatbox wrote:On October 29 2011 15:14 Dfgj wrote:On October 29 2011 14:45 meatbox wrote:
Look at this terrible American attitude towards punishment for crime, quite disappointing to see the majority wanting to see a teenager placed in prison, you're all worse than him...
The child's sense of morals were instilled by his parents, you can't blame a 15 year old, someone who can be so easily manipulated, for such a crime. He was obviously influenced by someone, be it his parents or bad company.
The right punishment would be a suspension, during that period a psychological correction facility should accommodate for his misplaced sense of morality. At 15 I was quite capable of thinking for myself, thanks. It's his own fault for not only harboring such prejudices, but acting aggressively on them. Is it HIS fault for harbouring such prejudices? Really? He was obviously influenced by someone, a jail sentence would ruin any hope of future that he had... Bullies need the most help, not their victims. Yes, it IS his fault because 15 is plenty old enough to know that beating the shit out of someone just because they are harmlessly and insignificantly different from you is a bad thing to do. You should really quit barking up this tree cause it's gonna get you absolutely no where. Didn't expect to get through to anyone, had no expectations to begin with, sending a 15 year old to jail is cruel, unfair on the child, he'll spend a majority of his life there when there are clearly better and cheaper alternatives, anyway more government expenditure per capita is given to prisoners than public school students, what a fucked up world. He's going to "spend a majority of his life there?" What? lol. Stop acting like he killed someone or something. He deserves to be removed from society for a while so he can learn what he did wrong. If he doesn't get a sizable punishment for this, he'll probably just keep doing it until he does.
The child will learn nothing from going to prison, prison is for adults not children, to think 70% believe a charge should be laid... 
The mother of the victim said it wasn't a hate crime and wanted the administration to be fired for not dealing with the issue earlier, there were warning signs.
Counselling would be the best outcome for both parties, any criminal sentence would limit career choices, all Government jobs require no criminal records, and a future of petty crimes, being in and out of prison is the most likely future if the forumites of TL have their way...
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Regardless of orientation or not, I feel like beating up a student deserves way more than just 3 days of suspension... The way he pummeled that guy would have been immediate expulsion at the least where I'm from.
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On October 30 2011 07:14 meatbox wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2011 15:14 Dfgj wrote:On October 29 2011 14:45 meatbox wrote:
Look at this terrible American attitude towards punishment for crime, quite disappointing to see the majority wanting to see a teenager placed in prison, you're all worse than him...
The child's sense of morals were instilled by his parents, you can't blame a 15 year old, someone who can be so easily manipulated, for such a crime. He was obviously influenced by someone, be it his parents or bad company.
The right punishment would be a suspension, during that period a psychological correction facility should accommodate for his misplaced sense of morality. At 15 I was quite capable of thinking for myself, thanks. It's his own fault for not only harboring such prejudices, but acting aggressively on them. Is it HIS fault for harbouring such prejudices? Really? He was obviously influenced by someone, a jail sentence would ruin any hope of future that he had... Bullies need the most help, not their victims.
He's obviously not going to jail, do people in this thread not understand the legal system or something? For what he did, he would probably get community service or a month or two in juvenile detention at worst. Everyone is making it sound like he'd go to state prison with murderers and rapists, give me a break. Kid needs to learn.
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On October 29 2011 17:59 vetinari wrote:
Can beating up nerds become a hate crime too?
Why exactly is it worse to beat up someone because they are gay than because they are weak or shy?
Oh wow the ignorance, you clearly haven't read this thread at all, because me and and a few other have described why its worse to beat up someone because they are gay about a million times in this thread.
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A little bullying builds character. Can we all stop acting so shocked that someone punched someone else a few times. It happens everyday in nearly every school in the world. And you know what most of the time it is completely harmless, it helps people who have had there parents coddle them there entire lives learn to deal with their problems themselves. Sure some people are beyond hope and kill themselves and we should watch out for these people and help them, but most people learn how to deal with this stuff and become better people for the experience. Seriously 3 days is fine. It is not the bully that needs dealing with, for the most part they grow out of it, it is the kid who cannot learn how to defend themselves that need to be looked at. If they cannot learn then what is going to happen when they leave school? People are just going to walk all over them for the rest of there life. But from the poll in the beginning it is clear this forum is filled with people who never were able to deal with there bullies. That or they are overly sensitive.
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I agree that what he did was horrible but I do not believe this should be treated in any other way depending (in this case it being that the victim was a homosexual) on the motif for the crime. If a bully did this to say a "normal" guy I doubt the outrage would be the same, which sickens me.
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Imo, police + charges AND expelled from school, regardless of sexual orientation
Seriously, 3 days suspension? School too was happy he got beaten?
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On October 30 2011 22:42 Egyptian_Head wrote:
A little bullying builds character. Can we all stop acting so shocked that someone punched someone else a few times. It happens everyday in nearly every school in the world. And you know what most of the time it is completely harmless, it helps people who have had there parents coddle them there entire lives learn to deal with their problems themselves. Sure some people are beyond hope and kill themselves and we should watch out for these people and help them, but most people learn how to deal with this stuff and become better people for the experience. Seriously 3 days is fine. It is not the bully that needs dealing with, for the most part they grow out of it, it is the kid who cannot learn how to defend themselves that need to be looked at. If they cannot learn then what is going to happen when they leave school? People are just going to walk all over them for the rest of there life. But from the poll in the beginning it is clear this forum is filled with people who never were able to deal with there bullies. That or they are overly sensitive.
This is such a crazy post lol. I am 28 and have an education and career. I am telling you right now that this type of conflict resolution needs to be punished really hard because as soon as the bully hits 18, if he lays a hand on ANYBODY the punishment is WAY more severe if they victim chooses to press charges. While I agree that jail wont happen for a school fight, you better believe that if a co-worker ever did this to me I would litigate them into the ground. Adults fight with money and process since they are way more damaging than fists.
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On October 30 2011 23:51 Velocirapture wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2011 22:42 Egyptian_Head wrote:
A little bullying builds character. Can we all stop acting so shocked that someone punched someone else a few times. It happens everyday in nearly every school in the world. And you know what most of the time it is completely harmless, it helps people who have had there parents coddle them there entire lives learn to deal with their problems themselves. Sure some people are beyond hope and kill themselves and we should watch out for these people and help them, but most people learn how to deal with this stuff and become better people for the experience. Seriously 3 days is fine. It is not the bully that needs dealing with, for the most part they grow out of it, it is the kid who cannot learn how to defend themselves that need to be looked at. If they cannot learn then what is going to happen when they leave school? People are just going to walk all over them for the rest of there life. But from the poll in the beginning it is clear this forum is filled with people who never were able to deal with there bullies. That or they are overly sensitive. This is such a crazy post lol. I am 28 and have an education and career. I am telling you right now that this type of conflict resolution needs to be punished really hard because as soon as the bully hits 18, if he lays a hand on ANYBODY the punishment is WAY more severe if they victim chooses to press charges. While I agree that jail wont happen for a school fight, you better believe that if a co-worker ever did this to me I would litigate them into the ground. Adults fight with money and process since they are way more damaging than fists.
Was that meant to be an argument from authority? You are 28 and have an education and career? Are we meant to agree with you because of this? Why is it here?
That is exactly why the bully doesn't need to be punished that much, bullies sort themselves out, if they don't they get sorted out quick. Wimps do not learn to stand up for themselves unless forced, that cannot happen if they are sheltered. Physical violence is not the only form of bullying. People need to learn to stand up for themselves. Better that happens in the sheltered school environment then when it could really damage them out of school.
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