EPTGay student gets beaten up in classroom - Page 45
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DreamChaser
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GreEny K
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redviper
Pakistan2333 Posts
On October 29 2011 09:07 QuackPocketDuck wrote: there is unfortunately alot of bullying / violence not all of it makes the news because not everyone is gay. I wish you could put 16 year olds in Jail. I am not 100% on this but I am confident that with a hate crime modification a 16 year old would be tried as an adult. That in itself is sufficient reason to support hate crime legislation - make sure the punishment is substantial enough to deter other attacks like these. | ||
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masterbreti
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Silky
United States260 Posts
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redviper
Pakistan2333 Posts
On October 29 2011 04:36 WhiteDog wrote: No, this has been discussed a thousand time. Your point is silly, you are arguing that the starcraft player decided to play starcraft : so what about fat guys ? Or what about a poor nerdy kid with glass ? Did he chose to have a bad eyesight ? I agree that the crime against any group (religion, orientation, gender) should be punished more harshly. However, legally there is no protected status for video games, weight etc. I would say I hope that there is such an extension one day, but seeing how it took someone being tortured, raped and murdered to make orientation a protected status, hoping that it would happen is actually not a good thing. So yes, there should be additional punishment when a group is targeted. But the law doesn't support it yet (and you can't retroactively make something illegal in the US). | ||
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thane
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roxsick
Canada42 Posts
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annYeong(o11)
Canada784 Posts
whose mother thinks the attack was tied to his sexual orientation. Officials, however, say they still are evaluating evidence, including a cellphone video and a Facebook post, that came to light after the school's initial investigation, which indicated the fight was not motivated by the boy's sexuality. It's easy to say "because he's gay, he was clearly beaten up just for being gay". It's really hard to prove the motive behind something. Of course, if his sexuality was the cause of the attack, it's a hate crime and should be punished the same as any hate crime. If he's old enough to have prejudices, he's old enough to go to jail. It'd be kinda awesome to send him to "pound you in the ass prison" to quote Office Space. The punishment fitting the crime and whatnot. | ||
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meatbox
Australia349 Posts
The child's sense of morals were instilled by his parents, you can't blame a 15 year old, someone who can be so easily manipulated, for such a crime. He was obviously influenced by someone, be it his parents or bad company. The right punishment would be a suspension, during that period a psychological correction facility should accommodate for his misplaced sense of morality. | ||
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LAN-f34r
New Zealand2099 Posts
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iamahydralisk
United States813 Posts
On October 29 2011 14:45 meatbox wrote: Look at this terrible American attitude towards punishment for crime, quite disappointing to see the majority wanting to see a teenager placed in prison, you're all worse than him... The child's sense of morals were instilled by his parents, you can't blame a 15 year old, someone who can be so easily manipulated, for such a crime. He was obviously influenced by someone, be it his parents or bad company. The right punishment would be a suspension, during that period a psychological correction facility should accommodate for his misplaced sense of morality. fuck ups are fuck ups at pretty much any age. someone as obviously homophobic as the bully would probably pull this shit whether he's 15 or 50. Plus, 15 is plenty old enough to know this is obviously wrong. he deserves to be put in jail. | ||
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Tektos
Australia1321 Posts
On October 29 2011 15:01 LAN-f34r wrote: Can you really claim you are non-discriminatory if the punishment for beating up a gay person and beating up a straight person are different? Can you really claim you are non-discriminatory if you do nothing to prevent the segregation and victimization of minorities? | ||
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Dfgj
Singapore5922 Posts
On October 29 2011 14:45 meatbox wrote: Look at this terrible American attitude towards punishment for crime, quite disappointing to see the majority wanting to see a teenager placed in prison, you're all worse than him... The child's sense of morals were instilled by his parents, you can't blame a 15 year old, someone who can be so easily manipulated, for such a crime. He was obviously influenced by someone, be it his parents or bad company. The right punishment would be a suspension, during that period a psychological correction facility should accommodate for his misplaced sense of morality. At 15 I was quite capable of thinking for myself, thanks. It's his own fault for not only harboring such prejudices, but acting aggressively on them. | ||
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Livelovedie
United States492 Posts
On October 29 2011 01:10 nennx wrote: Gay people want to be treated like normal people. However, if anyone does anything to a gay person they should have much harsher punishments than if they did something to a non-gay person. Why? I mean I heard the kid talk on the video and honestly you could tell he openly sounded gay. If he really wanted to be treated like a "normal person" he would not draw that much attention to himself to stand out. I definitely agree that the bully deserves punishment but not anymore so than a non-gay person. | ||
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SEA KarMa
Australia452 Posts
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iamahydralisk
United States813 Posts
On October 29 2011 15:16 Livelovedie wrote: Why? I mean I heard the kid talk on the video and honestly you could tell he openly sounded gay. If he really wanted to be treated like a "normal person" he would draw that much attention to himself to stand out. I definitely agree that the bully deserves punishment but not anymore so than a non-gay person. Most "flaming" gay people don't act that way on purpose. They just do it because it comes naturally to them. Certainly there are exceptions, but asking them to stop acting so "gay" would be like me asking you to stop acting so "straight" (assuming you're straight). | ||
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Tektos
Australia1321 Posts
On October 29 2011 15:16 Livelovedie wrote: Why? I mean I heard the kid talk on the video and honestly you could tell he openly sounded gay. If he really wanted to be treated like a "normal person" he would not draw that much attention to himself to stand out. I definitely agree that the bully deserves punishment but not anymore so than a non-gay person. You shouldn't be treating someone different just by the sound of their voice though. What he sounds like is completely irrelevant. | ||
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LAN-f34r
New Zealand2099 Posts
On October 29 2011 15:13 Tektos wrote: Can you really claim you are non-discriminatory if you do nothing to prevent the segregation and victimization of minorities? Yes, as long as I don't complain when people don't get larger punishments if they target majorities. The kid deserves punishment because he beat someone up, not because he beat up someone who happened to be gay. If I beat up a white guy and somebody else beats up a black guy, do we get different punishments? No (all other things being equal such as availability of lawyers and situation ect). So why should this kid get more punishment for beating up a gay person? | ||
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iamahydralisk
United States813 Posts
On October 29 2011 15:24 LAN-f34r wrote: Yes, as long as I don't complain when people don't get larger punishments if they target majorities. The kid deserves punishment because he beat someone up, not because he beat up someone who happened to be gay. If I beat up a white guy and somebody else beats up a black guy, do we get different punishments? No (all other things being equal such as availability of lawyers and situation ect). So why should this kid get more punishment for beating up a gay person? If you beat a white guy up BECAUSE he was white or someone else beats up a black guy BECAUSE he was black, then yes, the punishment would be more severe because it'd be considered a hate crime. | ||
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