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Dbla08
United States211 Posts
I hate to break it to you but the police force doesn't have the manpower to be involved in every school fight... this depends entirely on where you live, small town usa the cops will arrest everyone they can to make as much $ as they can, where as big city's, you're right, there simply aren't enough cops to arrest them all, or holding cells, as much as they (establishment/justice system) would love there to be. | ||
Whitewing
United States7483 Posts
On October 28 2011 07:46 WTFZerg wrote: I used to make kids like this (the bully) lives living hell in high school. Be a dick all you want, just don't pick on people smaller than you because you have some kind of massive inferiority complex. Seeing as how we can't just cane the shit out of the kid like they do in Singapore, have him tried as an adult for premeditated aggravated assault. Little bastard. "Hate crimes" are a stupid concept that only further the idea that people are different from one another. Not quite. Hate crime law itself makes no distinction between people: it simply says that crimes committed for reasons of perceived differences are worse than those that aren't. In other words, it does exactly the opposite: punishes people for committing a crime against those that you think are different because you think they are different. | ||
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mistermetal
Canada76 Posts
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woooooober
United States13 Posts
oh nevermind, it's the fucking internet. | ||
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Probe1
United States17920 Posts
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Co-lol-sus
Bulgaria141 Posts
On October 28 2011 07:42 trainRiderJ wrote: I hate to break it to you but the police force doesn't have the manpower to be involved in every school fight... Hate to break it to you, but this wasn't a 'school fight.' This video is textbook Assault. | ||
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WTFZerg
United States704 Posts
On October 28 2011 07:49 aderum wrote: No its not.. Its there to make sure that we dont see one different better then the other different. We are different, its not a problem, the problem is when people like this(the bully) beats up/murders people for being different. Thats why its good to have a law that makes the crimes worse. So if I kill someone who is straight, and you kill someone who is gay, you've committed a worse crime? That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard. | ||
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Cheeseburgered
United States716 Posts
This kid should be expelled from school with criminal charges... | ||
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adacan
United States117 Posts
On an unrelated note the punishment was too lenient imo. | ||
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Whitewing
United States7483 Posts
On October 28 2011 07:48 Millitron wrote: But you can't punish mentality. People are allowed to think whatever they want. Yes, its awful that people think this way, but they do, and in a free society we have to tolerate it. This sums up what I mean better than I can: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hate_crime#Opposition_to_hate_crime_laws He's allowed to think anything he wants, but if he commits a crime for those reasons, it's considered a worse crime than if he didn't think that way. The important thing is that he committed a crime, and what his intent in committing the crime was. | ||
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Krehlmar
Sweden1149 Posts
On a objective level he deserves a penalty. | ||
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Thorakh
Netherlands1788 Posts
On October 28 2011 07:42 sureshot_ wrote: ^Every single person in that room that observed and didn't bother intervening deserves the same punishment that kid's getting. Completely agreed. Three day suspension? What the hell is this? In what country do you get a three day suspension from school for assault? He should be going to court over this. | ||
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Whitewing
United States7483 Posts
On October 28 2011 07:52 WTFZerg wrote: So if I kill someone who is straight, and you kill someone who is gay, you've committed a worse crime? That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard. No, it doesn't work that way at all. If you killed someone who is straight, and I kill someone who is gay, they're both murder. If I killed the gay student BECAUSE he's gay, then it's a hatecrime. It doesn't matter who the crime is committed against, it matters WHY they committed the crime. Also, if you kill someone straight for being straight, that's also a hatecrime. It's a question of intent. | ||
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-KarmA
United States353 Posts
Fuck it, expel his ass | ||
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Whitewing
United States7483 Posts
On October 28 2011 07:52 woooooober wrote: without knowing any backstory whatsoever, it's a bit ridiculous to start an internet shitstorm about this event. obviously, some kid got beat up and is blaming it on his opponent's prejudices, but it could have been spawned by any number of things; for example, i can see this coming as a reaction to perceived sexual harassment, or something similar. blaming the whole thing on homosexuality seems a bit of a stretch. oh nevermind, it's the fucking internet. We're all discussing the incident based on the facts we have available. If those facts are wrong, obviously a lot of us will change our opinion. It's not as if we're actually influencing the event, just discussing it. | ||
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aderum
Sweden1459 Posts
On October 28 2011 07:52 WTFZerg wrote: So if I kill someone who is straight, and you kill someone who is gay, you've committed a worse crime? That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard. You clearly missed the point about it not automatically being a hate crime if its towards a minority. Its just as discrimination, but on a broader(worse) scale. If you kick someone out of your restaurant just b/c he wheres a t-shirt with a sportteam you dont like, and if you kick someone out of your restaurant b/c he is black... which one is worse? The law is there to make sure that we dont tolerate doing bad things to people just for being different. | ||
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Alejandrisha
United States6565 Posts
On October 28 2011 07:55 Whitewing wrote: We're all discussing the incident based on the facts we have available. If those facts are wrong, obviously a lot of us will change our opinion. It's not as if we're actually influencing the event, just discussing it. yes as i noted above, we are told that the reason is that he is gay by the reporter and the mother--that is all we know. regardless, it's still a pretty barbaric act they had going in the video with the smaller child on the floor.. and the rest of the kids... watching... what the hell do you think of when you are watching a much smaller child get pummeled by a bully? and why the fuck don't you do anything | ||
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RJGooner
United States2038 Posts
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
On October 28 2011 07:52 woooooober wrote: without knowing any backstory whatsoever, it's a bit ridiculous to start an internet shitstorm about this event. obviously, some kid got beat up and is blaming it on his opponent's prejudices, but it could have been spawned by any number of things; for example, i can see this coming as a reaction to perceived sexual harassment, or something similar. blaming the whole thing on homosexuality seems a bit of a stretch. oh nevermind, it's the fucking internet. Wait, what was a reaction to perceived sexual harassment? Who's sexually harassing who? Who's reacting? Are you implying that perhaps the kid getting beat up by the bully was sexually harassing the bully and thus the assault? Cause the video clearly shows that the kid was asking him "why are you doing this?". With multiple witnesses. And the guy has bullied him before for his sexual orientation. All of which is documented and mentioned as such in the video. | ||
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hypercube
Hungary2735 Posts
On October 28 2011 07:48 Millitron wrote: But you can't punish mentality. People are allowed to think whatever they want. Yes, its awful that people think this way, but they do, and in a free society we have to tolerate it. This sums up what I mean better than I can: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hate_crime#Opposition_to_hate_crime_laws Motive is already a factor in determining the severity of a crime. Society decided that hate towards a particular group is one of those motives that merits extra punishment. Wanting someone else's property is not a crime. But if you kill someone to get it it still counts as an aggravating circumstance. | ||
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