EPTAlso, everyone of my friends who had parents who disciplined them in that manner or even excessively grounded them ended up being very disruptive and violent. ;p
Bus Driver Beats Up Student - Page 9
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Gryffindor_us
United States5606 Posts
Also, everyone of my friends who had parents who disciplined them in that manner or even excessively grounded them ended up being very disruptive and violent. ;p | ||
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eternalbliss
United States1035 Posts
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Fayth[pG]
Canada1093 Posts
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Sorrow_eyes
United States1007 Posts
Type 1 teacher has the ability to keep the kids quiet with out even trying it. They got the tough look and normally talk the student down in the first day. Students hate him but dont dare to provoke him because he looks ready for the kill. Type 2 cannot control the students properly, he's usually the kind of nice person but abit dim. His face isnt so serious so that student think he is an easy person, and he normall does not take it hard on them in the first time, so the student take it further and further till it's hard to keep them inline anymore, so he has to use some physical stuff to retain order. Type 3 They are intellegent and humorous, use forces correctly every time and students like him. He is able to nullify the disrespectiful ones from getting out of hand and is able to treat the other nicely. He makes the student actually see the value of his position and student respect him out of respect. Type 4 They are weak and feeble, unable to do anything but lecture or perform their duties, might be a good teacher of student keep in line. But once student gets out of hand, there is nothing he can do about it but to keep talking while no one listens. All four can be found in your past hopefully P.S I think Harry Potter the book use them pretty well too... | ||
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Sorrow_eyes
United States1007 Posts
On June 01 2005 19:42 Gryffindor_us wrote: Also, everyone of my friends who had parents who disciplined them in that manner or even excessively grounded them ended up being very disruptive and violent. ;p Like Stalin you mean ^^ | ||
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Gryffindor_us
United States5606 Posts
On June 01 2005 19:46 eternalbliss wrote: Not true Griff, I was hit with the belt n shit, not really grounded b/c my mom would always talk my dad out of it, and now I consider myself a well mannerd teen. Compared to 75% of the ones today, im 10x better than them in terms of manners/edicates etc. Hey, I did not say it was universal. But in my short life, the kids who have been beaten or excessively disciplined ended up worse than kids who were given at least a little bit of leniency. Also, I think this is more a result of culture than lack of discipline. | ||
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wishterran
United States1045 Posts
Same situation, middle school / high school classroom. Rows of desks. Florescent (sp?) lighting. Slackers, nerds, normal kids, failures, etc. Kid in the front row is talking, disrupting everyones learning, being disrespectful. Teacher goes over to the student, tells him to be quiet, puts work in front of him. Kid in the back row starts saying stuff. Teacher walks back there to discipline that kid. Kid in the middle row stands up right by the teacher and says "Hey motherfucker..." Teacher grabs the kid by the throat and throws him into his seat, classroom goes into chaos. I don't know about Florida but in Michigan if the teacher grabbed that kid by the throat and threw him into his seat, he/she would be fired no question. The teacher had other choices just like the bus driver had other choices. The bus driver already called the police, the teacher could have called school security. If the 12-14 year old doesn't get scared driving home in a fucking cop car, the bus driver sure isn't going to scare him by grabbing him. Bad parenting? Definately. Bad behavior? Yes. Do they deserve to be slapped? Yes. Should the bus driver have slapped them? No. Anyone ? | ||
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taeWook
United States1367 Posts
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ieatkids5
United States4628 Posts
Even though it was wrong for the bus driver to beat up the kid, I would have done the same thing as him in that position. The bus driver's reaction to the kid was totally understandable, and in a perfectly fair world, both the kid and bus driver would be punished, the kid getting the more severe punishment. But that's just how I think of the situation. | ||
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FirstProbe
1206 Posts
kid shoulda kicked the bus drivers ass edit: man if I were one of the kids friends, I'd have backed him up... what were his friends doing  | ||
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gLyo
United States2410 Posts
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eternalbliss
United States1035 Posts
On June 01 2005 20:43 wishterran wrote: Perfectly said.Let's put this in a different perspective: Same situation, middle school / high school classroom. Rows of desks. Florescent (sp?) lighting. Slackers, nerds, normal kids, failures, etc. Kid in the front row is talking, disrupting everyones learning, being disrespectful. Teacher goes over to the student, tells him to be quiet, puts work in front of him. Kid in the back row starts saying stuff. Teacher walks back there to discipline that kid. Kid in the middle row stands up right by the teacher and says "Hey motherfucker..." Teacher grabs the kid by the throat and throws him into his seat, classroom goes into chaos. I don't know about Florida but in Michigan if the teacher grabbed that kid by the throat and threw him into his seat, he/she would be fired no question. The teacher had other choices just like the bus driver had other choices. The bus driver already called the police, the teacher could have called school security. If the 12-14 year old doesn't get scared driving home in a fucking cop car, the bus driver sure isn't going to scare him by grabbing him. Bad parenting? Definately. Bad behavior? Yes. Do they deserve to be slapped? Yes. Should the bus driver have slapped them? No. Anyone ? | ||
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Amnesty
United States2054 Posts
Anyway, im spanking my kids. *hard* | ||
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Revlett
United States61 Posts
On the other hand, if one of those kids physically attacked the bus driver first, I don't think it would be that big of a problem. The reason I say that is because there were many of them compared to one 66 year old bus driver. They might be young, but a group of them could have seriously hurt him. If this were the case then I think physical restraint would have been about his only option in order to defend himself. The fact of the matter, though, is that all they did was verbally abuse him and he used physical force against them... force that I feel wasn't necessary. Sure the punk ass kids deserved it, but I feel that there are better ways to have solved this. Now the bus driver's lack of judgement may cost him his job. | ||
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ihatett
United States2289 Posts
On June 01 2005 22:18 eternalbliss wrote: Perfectly said. No. In the bus, if students continue to act up, it becomes a danger for the driver, students, and cars around. Plus, I have no problem with beating the shit out of 11 year old stuck-up pricks who think no one is allowed to touch them. | ||
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[BOyGiRl]ShaRp
Korea (S)1912 Posts
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ihatett
United States2289 Posts
On June 01 2005 22:27 [BOyGiRl]ShaRp wrote: just wondering..someone mentioned that when they were hit, they just grew more angrier. physical punishment seemed to work for me, but if physical punishment doesn't work for some kids like that one on the bus, what do we do to make them human? ~_~ Lock them up somewhere. | ||
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MPXMX
Canada4309 Posts
I think it's too late for these kids to be simply disciplined. They are too old for routine physical punishment. They can understand language well and it should be possible to reason with them. But getting beaten for a disrespectful mouth is certainly a valuable lesson in life. One of many I hope they get | ||
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
1. cod apparently you were the only one to struggle with my post, result in Washington public education, i dont blame you, it will pass. 2. You guys act like their was a serene bus ride, and a child made a boo boo on the rules, so the bus driver grabs his throat and slaps him. Try, TRY TRY to visualize the world i paint for you. The bus driver is alone, out numbered and to old to physically handle a bus of hoodlums. One kid REFUSES to comply with the bus drivers request to OBEY THE LAW and buckle. The other kids begin to chime in and escalate the situation (watch the video). The bus driver repeatedly asks the child to comply, using verbal requests. The bus driver than PHONES THE COPS typically the gravest punishment a kid can receive (in their mind). The kids continue to escalate in movement and disobedience, tension mounts. The bus driver decides words are not working and moves to the back of the bus (this is in hind site a mistake, he shouold have waited for the cops, however moving to confront the kid isnt wrong in itself it was simply unnecessary) to confront the antagonizer. A kid he cannot see jumps out of his seat behind him and shouts "HEY MOTHER FUCKER" i dont know how many nerds here have been in an actual chaotic/fighting situation but when someone behind you shouts "Hey mother fucker" its never to share pringles. The bus driver (66 fucking years old, hes from the vietnam era where people didnt listen unless their was a gun in their face) snaps. He is outnumbered, he is frustrated and he is risking losing complete control of a bus of kids w ho have already displayed they lack any care for rules. He grabs the kid by his throat (one of the most powerful submission moves possible) and slaps the kid. He could have choked him had he wanted to inflict actual pain, he could have closed fist punched the kid and knocked his face in, instead he uses complete submission moves, slap to daze and throat grab to force surrender. Once the kid was subdued and began crying like a bitch, he released and backed off. Was the kid hurt? No more than a brotherly fight. This wasnt a situation in which thought out and meditated responses were engaged, this was a heat of the moment decision that a 66 year old man did, i believe he was fine to do as he did. The next time your old, your bones creak and you cant get a boner. Remember this, if you are outnumbered by younger and out of control kids, what will u do? If one jumps up behind you and makes a threatening scream, you going to turn around and ask him to please sit down? Or you going to pre emptively pacify a situation that could escalate to god knows what. | ||
Liquid`Drone
Norway28614 Posts
might teach them not to misbehave towards the guy who hit them, but not on a general level. I am extremely opposed to how the busdriver responded regardless of whether the "kids deserved it" or not. | ||
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