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1tym
Profile Joined April 2005
Korea (South)2425 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-06-01 23:28:31
June 01 2005 23:19 GMT
#201
Though respect and discipline are two different things
It's true that in Asia parents are much more respected than in western society..
1tym is one time for your mind
Jathin
Profile Blog Joined February 2005
United States3505 Posts
June 01 2005 23:25 GMT
#202
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Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33719 Posts
June 01 2005 23:26 GMT
#203
On June 02 2005 08:15 Liquid`Drone wrote:
you should treat children with the same kind of respect you'd treat an adult

that's how you teach them to be respectful.

Exactly.
Moderatortell the guy that interplanatar interaction is pivotal to terrans variety of optionitudals in the pre-midgame preperatories as well as the protosstinal deterriggation of elite zergling strikes - Stimey n | Formerly FrozenArbiter
Liquid`Nazgul
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
22427 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-06-02 01:08:38
June 02 2005 01:07 GMT
#204
On June 02 2005 08:15 Liquid`Drone wrote:
you should treat children with the same kind of respect you'd treat an adult

that's how you teach them to be respectful.

if they don't learn when they're crossing the line it'll only get worse I would think

It's not like he beat him up he just grabbed him a bit
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Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33719 Posts
June 02 2005 01:12 GMT
#205
Throat. Grabbed him by the throat.

Grab someones arm, ok. Grab someones throat, not ok.
Moderatortell the guy that interplanatar interaction is pivotal to terrans variety of optionitudals in the pre-midgame preperatories as well as the protosstinal deterriggation of elite zergling strikes - Stimey n | Formerly FrozenArbiter
Girlzsux
Profile Joined May 2005
Bulgaria10 Posts
June 02 2005 01:16 GMT
#206
COOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL KIDSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS ))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
life is so fucking somethimes!
Girlzsux
Profile Joined May 2005
Bulgaria10 Posts
June 02 2005 01:20 GMT
#207
and nazgul is SOOOOOOOOO WROND.
WRONG i mean
NAZGUL listen to me -> kids must get drugs while they are PEEng into the sea.
that HELPS ahahgahahhahaha
i am soooooooooooooooooooooooo understanduBLE
life is so fucking somethimes!
wishterran
Profile Joined February 2004
United States1045 Posts
June 02 2005 01:58 GMT
#208
On June 01 2005 22:26 ihatett wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 01 2005 22:18 eternalbliss wrote:
On June 01 2005 20:43 wishterran wrote:
Let's put this in a different perspective:

Same situation, middle school / high school classroom. Rows of desks. Florescent (sp?) lighting. Slackers, nerds, normal kids, failures, etc.

Kid in the front row is talking, disrupting everyones learning, being disrespectful. Teacher goes over to the student, tells him to be quiet, puts work in front of him. Kid in the back row starts saying stuff. Teacher walks back there to discipline that kid. Kid in the middle row stands up right by the teacher and says "Hey motherfucker..." Teacher grabs the kid by the throat and throws him into his seat, classroom goes into chaos.

I don't know about Florida but in Michigan if the teacher grabbed that kid by the throat and threw him into his seat, he/she would be fired no question. The teacher had other choices just like the bus driver had other choices. The bus driver already called the police, the teacher could have called school security. If the 12-14 year old doesn't get scared driving home in a fucking cop car, the bus driver sure isn't going to scare him by grabbing him. Bad parenting? Definately. Bad behavior? Yes. Do they deserve to be slapped? Yes. Should the bus driver have slapped them? No.

Anyone ?
Perfectly said.


No.

In the bus, if students continue to act up, it becomes a danger for the driver, students, and cars around.

Plus, I have no problem with beating the shit out of 11 year old stuck-up pricks who think no one is allowed to touch them.


What the kids did was very wrong but the driver wouldn't have been in danger if he had waited for help or made the kid leave the bus. The students weren't in danger except of getting home late. The cars around weren't in danger because the bus was parked. If you have no problem with beating the shit out of eleven year olds who think no one can touch them (which is most of the eleven year olds in our country) that's your opinion. The fact is that in our society when an authority figure (teacher, preacher, adult) hits/grabs a child they are in trouble 99/100 times wether the kid deserved it or not. The 66 year old bus driver knows that and still, even in an intense situation, lost control or consiously decided to act that way. I think that's wrong.
SoLsiTO
Profile Joined April 2003
United States573 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-06-02 02:09:42
June 02 2005 02:09 GMT
#209
On June 02 2005 08:26 FrozenArbiter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2005 08:15 Liquid`Drone wrote:
you should treat children with the same kind of respect you'd treat an adult

that's how you teach them to be respectful.

Exactly.

I agree, if you respect children and treat them with respect then they will respect you and thus be more inclined to listen to you.
They fill the children full of hate to fight an old man's war and die upon the road to peace
Ceril
Profile Joined April 2003
Sweden1343 Posts
June 02 2005 02:30 GMT
#210
On June 02 2005 10:12 FrozenArbiter wrote:
Throat. Grabbed him by the throat.

Grab someones arm, ok. Grab someones throat, not ok.


To grab someones throat is something I learned to do by default, on the other hand I had a little rough time because of my temper back in early school days, once it was found out I could go into a rage sort of state someone found it very funny to bring that forth in me, hence since I learned the art called: Grab them by the throat and they turn from being predator eyed into sheepeyed.

All in all, if you want to realy scare someone, grab them by the throat, nothing seem to work on such a instictive level of fright as being grabbed around the throat ^^
Just because you can now store where everyone was and is, what they like, what they fear who they talk to and who they love. It does not mean we should so spy upon our fellow man in a dystopia far worse then 1984
Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28727 Posts
June 02 2005 02:51 GMT
#211
On June 02 2005 10:07 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2005 08:15 Liquid`Drone wrote:
you should treat children with the same kind of respect you'd treat an adult

that's how you teach them to be respectful.

if they don't learn when they're crossing the line it'll only get worse I would think

It's not like he beat him up he just grabbed him a bit


although this is more true for younger kids (it still holds somewhat true for 11 year olds), generally bad behaviour is caused by lack of attention/ the kid wanting attention. the thing is just that they don't separate as well between good and bad attention, thus they end up doing whichever gives them more attention. thus, through punishing bad behaviour you might be encouraging it, especially if you punish bad behaviour more than you reward good behaviour.

of course you still need to make the kid aware of it when (s)he does something wrong. but simply saying "don't do that" and explaining why is much better than yelling at her/him, and a LOT better than doing anything physical. grounding is also pretty unwise.

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DV8
Profile Joined December 2002
United States1623 Posts
June 02 2005 02:52 GMT
#212
On June 02 2005 08:15 Liquid`Drone wrote:
you should treat children with the same kind of respect you'd treat an adult

that's how you teach them to be respectful.

Because children have the same kind of comprehension as an adult?
Either way I don't mean this in any jocular way but those kids should have been shot.
bburn
Profile Joined September 2004
United States1039 Posts
June 02 2005 02:59 GMT
#213
On June 02 2005 10:12 FrozenArbiter wrote:
Throat. Grabbed him by the throat.

Grab someones arm, ok. Grab someones throat, not ok.

I just watched the video twice to make sure, he grabed the kid by the back of the neck, and applied a pressure point from the looks of it, when did he grab the kid by the throat, am I missing something?
banana[AfO]
Josh124
Profile Joined August 2003
United Kingdom144 Posts
June 02 2005 03:05 GMT
#214
I don't think you actually see it, but while he's got him by the back of the neck it looks like he might have him by the throat with his other hand.

Hard to tell though.
Liquid`Nazgul
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
22427 Posts
June 02 2005 03:05 GMT
#215
I seriously believe "don't do that" is absolutely pointless when teaching a kid morals. I'm not saying the driver did something good, quite frankly I don't really know what exactly it does to those kids (and I think neither do you). from my own perspective I would expect them to realize they have crossed the line.
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Liquid`Nazgul
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
22427 Posts
June 02 2005 03:06 GMT
#216
and I thought he grabbed him by the neck as well, I didn't bring that up because I'm not sure and am not gonna watch the movie again. But if so, grabbing someone by the neck is so harmless I can't understand you'd call that violence.
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WiredBomb
Profile Joined May 2005
United States398 Posts
June 02 2005 03:12 GMT
#217
WTF the kids were assaulting a bus driver, and they are told by their parents "not to do that again" WTF My friend pushed my teacher, and he went to Juvi for a year.
Boom ready or not, here it comes.
Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20254 Posts
June 02 2005 03:14 GMT
#218
He grabbed him from the back of the neck with 1 hand after doing that slap to his head.
Never Knows Best.
Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20254 Posts
June 02 2005 03:17 GMT
#219
Just watched it again and that kid wasnt affected by even that right after the man did that he was all in his face telling him he was going to "knock his ass out" So people using the "Omg neck grab soo violent" please give me a break.
Never Knows Best.
iamke55
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
United States2806 Posts
June 02 2005 03:24 GMT
#220
If Liquid`Drone's ideas are right and Nazgul is wrong, then Asian countries would've collapsed some time around 3000 B.C. and we would live in a society where American and bm couldn't possibly be used in the same sentence. Obviously neither of these happen, and Gorush still respects his parents heavily. I've had teachers tell me things like "don't do that" and I can't ever remember thinking "oh no I was wrong I will be respectful for the rest of my life". When the teachers say things like that, I just roll my eyes and think "yeah, whatever, I'll just ignore you and get you back someday".
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