Bus Driver Beats Up Student

On June 01 2005 11:23 Tien wrote:
I fully endorse this type of violence.

I hate those prepubescent kids.

On June 01 2005 11:41 Darth124 wrote:
Ah, come on!

The kid the bus driver hit first wasn't even the one causing the trouble. And you can't just hit someone because they mouth off at you.

On June 01 2005 11:44 pirate cod wrote:

A person shouldn't have to deal with that shit - I hope he sues the kids for distress.

On June 01 2005 CNN wrote:
If convicted of battery, Taylor could face up to a year in prison. He is on paid suspension from the Charlotte County School District.

On June 01 2005 11:44 pirate cod wrote:

A person shouldn't have to deal with that shit - I hope he sues the kids for distress.

On June 01 2005 11:41 Darth124 wrote:
Ah, come on!

The kid the bus driver hit first wasn't even the one causing the trouble. And you can't just hit someone because they mouth off at you.

On June 01 2005 11:54 Darth124 wrote:

I agree with you that he shouldn't have to deal with it, but is beating them up really the way to solve it? He'd called for an officer over the radio or something, he could have just waited for him to come.

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On June 01 2005 12:23 SoLsiTO wrote:
I cannot believe that some of you are seriously condoning hitting kids...

On June 01 2005 12:25 Swark wrote:


Hitting kids: Bad
Hitting kids when they're trying to act like tough little shits: ok

Then you are going to have to go around hitting a lot of kids. I mean seriously, a 66 year old man should be able to control himself, instead of flipping out at some little punk kids who called him fucker...

On June 01 2005 12:18 MPXMX wrote:
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On June 01 2005 12:46 SoLsiTO wrote:
no one is necessarily on the kids side, but the actions of the bus driver are just as, if not mroe deplorable then the kids. I mean what the fuck is wrong with you people, it is not ok for kids, yes prepubescent kids, to act like that, but it is ok for the bus driver to act like that?

That's where knowing right from wrong comes in

On June 01 2005 13:20 WildCard wrote:
rofl if a bus driver ever hit me i guarantee i wouldnt get off him to he was down and wasnt getting up

On June 01 2005 13:36 Resse wrote:
I can't side with the bus driver at all. Those kids insulted him and were little shit heads sure. But they didn't touch him. The driver started using physical force when he shouldn't have, all those other kids should have jumped on him and fucked him up.

On June 01 2005 13:24 WildCard wrote:
rofl that kid was a fucking pussy tho, when that bus driver turned around he shuolda just fucked him up so bad

On June 01 2005 13:32 WildCard wrote:
and that whole respecting elder stuff is bull. ok my dad is a drunk, liar, and scum bag, but hes 30 years older than me. should i respect him, i mean he is my elder? no... hes still a jackass

On June 01 2005 13:36 Resse wrote:
I can't side with the bus driver at all. Those kids insulted him and were little shit heads sure. But they didn't touch him. The driver started using physical force when he shouldn't have, all those other kids should have jumped on him and fucked him up.

On June 01 2005 13:35 StarN wrote:
silly american school system... it should be more like korea where the teachers beat the kids without even thinking twice about it.

On June 01 2005 13:40 WildCard wrote:
first off you misunderstood what i meant. ill respect someone wether their older or younger than me, but im not going to just respect them cause their older, respect is earned not given. and the kid that was fighting is 15 not 13, chances are he really wouldnt of won, but he sure as hell should try, THE BUS DRIVER ATTACKED HIM.. what are you people not understanding, the bus driver attacked him, hes supposed to be the "adult".

On June 01 2005 13:42 WildCard wrote:
and as that "internet warrior" shit yah i stand up for myself real life, ive hit adults before, ive even gone as far as pulled out a knife and put it to my step dads throat cause he was threatening me, your point? im not just a talker, if i say id do something id do it.

On June 01 2005 13:45 yknarf wrote:
he didnt beat the kid up he just put him in a headlock or something

totally on the bus driver's site.

On June 01 2005 13:42 WildCard wrote:
and as that "internet warrior" shit yah i stand up for myself real life, ive hit adults before, ive even gone as far as pulled out a knife and put it to my step dads throat cause he was threatening me, your point? im not just a talker, if i say id do something id do it.

On June 01 2005 13:46 Tien wrote:


People like you belong in prison. Its a good thing we have such institutions.

On June 01 2005 13:46 WildCard wrote:


well he did a bit more but still. how did the kid know the bus driver wasnt going to keep going? the bus driver was totally wrong to put his hand on the kid

On June 01 2005 13:48 WildCard wrote:


hey i dont think sticking up for myself is wrong, and ive never thrown a first punch in a fight or made the first threat, so i dont think anything ive ever done was pushing it

On June 01 2005 13:49 Sadist wrote:




what the kid did was totally wrong and as i stated before having witnessed incidents of bus drivers being tortued by kids (most of my friends) day in day out, i cannot blame the guy. I have friends who think like you but i sort of stopped hanging around with them, what you need to realize is that acting like this gets you nowhere and sometimes things just need to be dealt with, ya the bus driver was wrong but i cant say i feel sorry for the kid for getting grabbed by the neck and screaming like a little girl.

On June 01 2005 13:45 WildCard wrote:
the kids were out of line yes, but its not the bus drivers place to hit them. did anyone hit the bus driver? no... the cursing back part is fine and all that shit, but no one was hitting him, he had no right to attack the kid, limits or not.

On June 01 2005 13:59 Sadist wrote:
what you dont realize is that the bus driver didnt just run up and hit the kid for no reason, he kept mouthing off to him (probably for a long period of time and he just got fed up) and if the guy was scared of the bus driver and didnt think hed hit him maybe he hsouldnt have been such a little rude bitch in the first place

On June 01 2005 13:53 pirate cod wrote:
... he was left with no other option. The kids, on the other hand had two options, put on their seatbelt or punch him. They deserve to be prosecuted.

On June 01 2005 14:03 1tym wrote:
OK that sums up your point pretty well. Don't need to repeat it over and over again

On June 01 2005 14:02 WildCard wrote:
so ill just stop posting in this topic, ~

On June 01 2005 14:19 {88}iNcontroL wrote:
something you guys arent taking into consideration is this took place in Florida, they do things differently down there. When a punk 15 year old kid is acting like a faggot to a Bus driver, wearing his uniform probably been doing the job for like 45 years and its a hot florida day, he isnt going to take shit.

Blatantly disrespecting a 66 year old professionally attired bus driver in the Florida hear with no regard for his pleas to obide the law can result in a slap, big deal? dont think so.

On June 01 2005 14:29 EAGER-beaver wrote:
I just had to add, that yes, kids have all the power in our society and their elders are helpless to enforce any kind of discipline.

On June 01 2005 13:35 StarN wrote:
silly american school system... it should be more like korea where the teachers beat the kids without even thinking twice about it.

On June 01 2005 15:30 InSideOut wrote:


you acutally want / like that system???

the bus driver went to far he should have waited for the deputy to come and then it would have been over with.

On June 01 2005 14:34 Eniram wrote:

Um excuse me, but who are you to say how Floridians act?

EDIT: Wait, aren't you from Florida?
Still, its not good to just define a whole group of people like that.

On June 01 2005 15:54 randomKo_Orean wrote:
WTF

no fuckign respects, these fucking parents from US are bunch of dipshits. They'll defend the kids by saying it's my kid, and you suck or something.

only in america...

shit, who the fuck tells the 50year + senior to let them off the bus with attitude. I'da fucking killed them or something... And the little kids shoulda been charged and beaten up, not the bus driver.

"These boys are the victims and they have been from day one," Kirshy said. "The fact they got arrested was a mistake. That's clear."

BULLSHIT

On June 01 2005 11:23 Tien wrote:
I fully endorse this type of violence.

I hate those prepubescent kids.

On June 01 2005 13:37 Tien wrote:


Internet warrior.

Im sure at the tender age of 13, the age when you are growing your pubic hairs, you were able to take on adults that weighed 100+ pounds more than you were.

I remember reading somewhere here that people's balls get 10x bigger behind a computer screen.

On June 01 2005 17:13 imRadu wrote:
Let me know when you'll shake the hand of a bus driver for hitting your kid Zia.

On June 01 2005 11:30 taeWook wrote:
the bus driver didnt hit them first. the kid wouldnt calm down, he cussed at the driver, and challenged the driver. imo, when a kid does that to you, and talking wont settle him down, you have to use some force. of course this goes back to the issue of child abuse, but i wont go there.

Anyone who says "that's wrong, they don't know any better" is going to be one shitty parent.

On June 01 2005 16:01 iamke55 wrote:


Can you seriously tell me Korean kids aren't 100x more respectful than American kids with a straight face?

On June 01 2005 11:53 fbs wrote:
Those kids will only learn from a beating and that's what they should of got.

On June 01 2005 12:02 MPXMX wrote:


That wouldn't do anything. First of all not much could happen to the kids for swearing or what not. They are kids. Plus they would settle down for time being and learn no lesson. But they probably didn't in any case. I can't wach the video because WMP is being gay but I think that North American upbringing these days leaves much to wish for ... it's too lenient and the society is soft. There are lawsuits for touching people etc. I know in Russia if you grow up being a little shit you'll get your face broken many a time and nobody will care.

On June 01 2005 18:14 chrusher97 wrote:
well its hard to hear but when he is first walking to the back of the bus the kid stands up and yells "hey motherfucker" then the bus driver smacks him.


rofl and theres teh kid yelling "get off him" like a little girl the whole time

On June 01 2005 17:30 imRadu wrote:
It's still a matter between you and your kid and not the driver and your kid and you know it zia
I am not questioning your parental skills, i question your reply where you say

because it's obvious that you support the driver's actions. Bus driver drives the bus and you are the one who educates your kid after seeing the video mkay?

On June 01 2005 17:37 imRadu wrote:

Kids get off the bus:
1)he goes home makes up some shit about the school bus driver hating him, parent investigates sees videotape
2)he walks to school. lesson learned after walking it 9999 times.

On June 01 2005 18:36 LetMeBeWithYou wrote:


I got kicked off my bus and I'm better off without taking bus I dont know what the heck you're talking about

kicking you off the bus is a fucking empty threat seriously I get to school faster without the bus and I get home faster without the bus no bullshit.

On June 01 2005 18:02 Bill307 wrote:
TvP: Are you saying that because it's what the law says? Are you saying that because you think it will, if applied consistently, lead to a better world? Or are you saying that because you think it would have led to the best outcome in this particular situation?

On June 01 2005 18:36 LetMeBeWithYou wrote:
I got kicked off my bus and I'm better off without taking bus I dont know what the heck you're talking about

kicking you off the bus is a fucking empty threat seriously I get to school faster without the bus and I get home faster without the bus no bullshit.

On June 01 2005 18:36 LetMeBeWithYou wrote:


I got kicked off my bus and I'm better off without taking bus I dont know what the heck you're talking about

kicking you off the bus is a fucking empty threat seriously I get to school faster without the bus and I get home faster without the bus no bullshit.

On June 01 2005 19:42 Gryffindor_us wrote:

Also, everyone of my friends who had parents who disciplined them in that manner or even excessively grounded them ended up being very disruptive and violent. ;p

On June 01 2005 19:46 eternalbliss wrote:
Not true Griff, I was hit with the belt n shit, not really grounded b/c my mom would always talk my dad out of it, and now I consider myself a well mannerd teen. Compared to 75% of the ones today, im 10x better than them in terms of manners/edicates etc.

On June 01 2005 20:43 wishterran wrote:
Let's put this in a different perspective:

Same situation, middle school / high school classroom. Rows of desks. Florescent (sp?) lighting. Slackers, nerds, normal kids, failures, etc.

Kid in the front row is talking, disrupting everyones learning, being disrespectful. Teacher goes over to the student, tells him to be quiet, puts work in front of him. Kid in the back row starts saying stuff. Teacher walks back there to discipline that kid. Kid in the middle row stands up right by the teacher and says "Hey motherfucker..." Teacher grabs the kid by the throat and throws him into his seat, classroom goes into chaos.

I don't know about Florida but in Michigan if the teacher grabbed that kid by the throat and threw him into his seat, he/she would be fired no question. The teacher had other choices just like the bus driver had other choices. The bus driver already called the police, the teacher could have called school security. If the 12-14 year old doesn't get scared driving home in a fucking cop car, the bus driver sure isn't going to scare him by grabbing him. Bad parenting? Definately. Bad behavior? Yes. Do they deserve to be slapped? Yes. Should the bus driver have slapped them? No.

Anyone ?

On June 01 2005 22:18 eternalbliss wrote:
Perfectly said.

On June 01 2005 22:27 [BOyGiRl]ShaRp wrote:
just wondering..someone mentioned that when they were hit, they just grew more angrier. physical punishment seemed to work for me, but if physical punishment doesn't work for some kids like that one on the bus, what do we do to make them human? ~_~

On June 01 2005 16:01 iamke55 wrote:


Can you seriously tell me Korean kids aren't 100x more respectful than American kids with a straight face?

On June 01 2005 18:35 Bill307 wrote:
Hmm shit I hate when I'm wrong.

I think Radu's right. The kids should be disciplined by being forced to do something they dislike (i.e. get up early and walk to school) by higher authorities. Why not violence instead? Because the kids are also going to learn how to "discipline", or more appropriately, how to deal with people who piss them off. The more we use violence to discipline them, the more they will use it against others. The same goes for appealing to a higher authority, except I think we can all say we'd have fewer problems with the kids doing that instead of using violence.

So, as much as we loved seeing those kids getting what for (my only regret at the time was that he didn't kick the kid's ass), the bus driver probably should have waited for the deputy (sedating himself with the thought of the kids having to behave or else walk to school from now on) and had him escort the little brats out of the bus.

What if the parents, school, and police fail, like some undoubtedly do, and don't take enough action against the kids? What if the parents simply drove the kids to school from that point on, never teaching them a lesson? What if the bus driver has had to put up with their crap for a long time? What can he do? Maybe a little bit of violence was the answer, if only to draw attention to the situation and force the parents and the school to deal with it. I really don't know: I'd have to think about this some more.

On June 01 2005 18:44 Hot77.iEy wrote:
FA. Its a different culture.. In Sweden or Finland the bus driver would have gotten fired instantly. His actions were mild in american scale but as a Finn all I could think was 'HE GRABBED HIS THROAT! HE FUCKING GRABBED THAT KIDS THROAT' But after reading some of the comments here and thinking about kids carrying knives/fire arms in schools in u.s and the, sometimes, ridiculous seeming safety precautions I think what he did wasnt that harsh. In Finland, School shootings/stabbings happen ... once in 20 years? Iam happy to think that here teachers dont have to fear kids carrying weapons and in the meantime I can see just in the busdrivers actions..

On June 01 2005 21:12 taeWook wrote:
imo, when a child at that age addresses you as fucker, that is more than just a slap to the face, its more like kicking you in the groin when your already down. being called a fucker by a 12 yr old is not only shameful, it puts you in a situation where others will immediately follow through and begin calling you "fucker". that shit has to be stopped, and theres no other way than immediate discipline. i agree, grabbing him by the throat is a bit extreme, instead, the bus driver should have handcuffed the kid, or somehow restrain him, put duct tape over his mouth, and put him in the back of the bus, WITH force, to put fear and to make others know that he is in charge. waiting for the deputy would have intensified the situation; the kids were obviously inclined on harassing this driver until he did something about it. personally, if i was the driver, i would just have stepped off the bus, lock all the exits, and peacefully smoke a cigarette, waiting for the deputy. then, let fate take its course..

On June 01 2005 21:26 ieatkids5 wrote:
That's a horrible video.
Even though it was wrong for the bus driver to beat up the kid, I would have done the same thing as him in that position. The bus driver's reaction to the kid was totally understandable, and in a perfectly fair world, both the kid and bus driver would be punished, the kid getting the more severe punishment.
But that's just how I think of the situation.

On June 01 2005 22:27 [BOyGiRl]ShaRp wrote:
just wondering..someone mentioned that when they were hit, they just grew more angrier. physical punishment seemed to work for me, but if physical punishment doesn't work for some kids like that one on the bus, what do we do to make them human? ~_~

On June 02 2005 01:54 {88}iNcontroL wrote:
K more insight from the inc-god-ontrol:

1. cod apparently you were the only one to struggle with my post, result in Washington public education, i dont blame you, it will pass.
2. You guys act like their was a serene bus ride, and a child made a boo boo on the rules, so the bus driver grabs his throat and slaps him. Try, TRY TRY to visualize the world i paint for you. The bus driver is alone, out numbered and to old to physically handle a bus of hoodlums. One kid REFUSES to comply with the bus drivers request to OBEY THE LAW and buckle. The other kids begin to chime in and escalate the situation (watch the video). The bus driver repeatedly asks the child to comply, using verbal requests. The bus driver than PHONES THE COPS typically the gravest punishment a kid can receive (in their mind). The kids continue to escalate in movement and disobedience, tension mounts. The bus driver decides words are not working and moves to the back of the bus (this is in hind site a mistake, he shouold have waited for the cops, however moving to confront the kid isnt wrong in itself it was simply unnecessary) to confront the antagonizer. A kid he cannot see jumps out of his seat behind him and shouts "HEY MOTHER FUCKER" i dont know how many nerds here have been in an actual chaotic/fighting situation but when someone behind you shouts "Hey mother fucker" its never to share pringles. The bus driver (66 fucking years old, hes from the vietnam era where people didnt listen unless their was a gun in their face) snaps. He is outnumbered, he is frustrated and he is risking losing complete control of a bus of kids w ho have already displayed they lack any care for rules. He grabs the kid by his throat (one of the most powerful submission moves possible) and slaps the kid. He could have choked him had he wanted to inflict actual pain, he could have closed fist punched the kid and knocked his face in, instead he uses complete submission moves, slap to daze and throat grab to force surrender. Once the kid was subdued and began crying like a bitch, he released and backed off. Was the kid hurt? No more than a brotherly fight. This wasnt a situation in which thought out and meditated responses were engaged, this was a heat of the moment decision that a 66 year old man did, i believe he was fine to do as he did.

The next time your old, your bones creak and you cant get a boner. Remember this, if you are outnumbered by younger and out of control kids, what will u do? If one jumps up behind you and makes a threatening scream, you going to turn around and ask him to please sit down? Or you going to pre emptively pacify a situation that could escalate to god knows what.

On June 02 2005 03:05 labcoated wrote:
i think it depends how young you use violence. if you use it early enough they could learn to respect you later and not realize why. using it on an adult obviously would just have the effect Drone says.

besides, parental respect isn't the same as literal respect anyways is it? it's like parental love. it is just assumed. it's taboo not to have. you have it as long as you are willing to pretend to. it's not a feeling and it's not earned. so in that way, violence is consistent with this still. i can't even imagine what life would be like if i actually did feel love and respect for my parents -- or worse, if they had earned it.

On June 02 2005 06:11 WildCard wrote:
eh i know i said i wouldnt post here but i need to say this. physical abuser doesnt teach shit.

when i was younger and misbehaved my mom would hit me, pull hair, ect. same with step dad, one time i broke out in a fight with him i got my arm and leg cut up. physical violence isnt the answer. trust me i still live at home cause im still a "kid" (17) but i want to get out of here so fucking bad. its funny tho, how my parents are fucking cowards. when i was younger theyd hit me for being bad, cause they know i couldnt/wouldnt do anything back. now when im older i do something bad (like the time i pulled a knife on my step dad for threatening me) they always are like "GO AWAY, DROP IT OR ELSE WERE CALLING THE COPS ON YOU!!". so yah, physical violence really wants to work, i mean it was used on me and im "so well behaved". all it made me wanted to do is kill them both.

on the other hand, my grandmother used a respectful way of teaching, she used to sit me down and explain to me what i did was wrong and why i shouldnt do it, she never put a hand on me, and always showed she cared alot for me and until the day she died i had the utmost respect and care for her, heck i woulda pretty much did anything for her. my mom/step dad on the other hand (like i said) id like to see shot.

On June 02 2005 06:53 1tym wrote:
Physical violence without a proper procedure would never work in child upbringing. For example, If you're to cane your child you should properly explain what he/she did wrong and why they deserve it. Moreover bare hands are not recommeneded, My parents used to hit me with a ruler on the palm when I was really young, and when I got a bit older, it was my calf with a stick.
Of course punching your child in the face out of the frustration is not a sensible thing to do, but desciplined punishement will do him good.

On June 02 2005 08:15 Liquid`Drone wrote:
you should treat children with the same kind of respect you'd treat an adult

that's how you teach them to be respectful.

On June 02 2005 08:15 Liquid`Drone wrote:
you should treat children with the same kind of respect you'd treat an adult

that's how you teach them to be respectful.

On June 01 2005 22:26 ihatett wrote:


No.

In the bus, if students continue to act up, it becomes a danger for the driver, students, and cars around.

Plus, I have no problem with beating the shit out of 11 year old stuck-up pricks who think no one is allowed to touch them.

On June 02 2005 08:26 FrozenArbiter wrote:

Exactly.

On June 02 2005 10:12 FrozenArbiter wrote:
Throat. Grabbed him by the throat.

Grab someones arm, ok. Grab someones throat, not ok.

On June 02 2005 10:07 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:

if they don't learn when they're crossing the line it'll only get worse I would think

It's not like he beat him up he just grabbed him a bit

On June 02 2005 08:15 Liquid`Drone wrote:
you should treat children with the same kind of respect you'd treat an adult

that's how you teach them to be respectful.

On June 02 2005 10:12 FrozenArbiter wrote:
Throat. Grabbed him by the throat.

Grab someones arm, ok. Grab someones throat, not ok.

On June 02 2005 12:06 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
and I thought he grabbed him by the neck as well, I didn't bring that up because I'm not sure and am not gonna watch the movie again. But if so, grabbing someone by the neck is so harmless I can't understand you'd call that violence.

On June 02 2005 11:51 Liquid`Drone wrote:


although this is more true for younger kids (it still holds somewhat true for 11 year olds), generally bad behaviour is caused by lack of attention/ the kid wanting attention. the thing is just that they don't separate as well between good and bad attention, thus they end up doing whichever gives them more attention. thus, through punishing bad behaviour you might be encouraging it, especially if you punish bad behaviour more than you reward good behaviour.

of course you still need to make the kid aware of it when (s)he does something wrong. but simply saying "don't do that" and explaining why is much better than yelling at her/him, and a LOT better than doing anything physical. grounding is also pretty unwise.

On June 02 2005 11:30 Ceril wrote:


To grab someones throat is something I learned to do by default, on the other hand I had a little rough time because of my temper back in early school days, once it was found out I could go into a rage sort of state someone found it very funny to bring that forth in me, hence since I learned the art called: Grab them by the throat and they turn from being predator eyed into sheepeyed.

All in all, if you want to realy scare someone, grab them by the throat, nothing seem to work on such a instictive level of fright as being grabbed around the throat ^^

On June 02 2005 13:14 Tien wrote:
I have a question to foreigners:

Are kids in your country like this?

This is basically the norm in North America.

On June 09 2005 07:22 CallmeChewy wrote:
You are all rediculously stupid!

On June 10 2005 07:28 CallmeChewy wrote:
what's ironic? Rediculous and stupid may seem to mean the same thing separately, but when put together rediculous changes to something like "amazingly" or "incredibly".

But I'm glad that at least 1 or 2 people in this thread aren't all for child abuse.

On June 12 2005 04:13 SnZ wrote:
/me takes out his obvious stick. Redicilous is a SPELLING ERROR, it's spelt ridiculous.

There's a clear line between discipline and child abuse.
Discipline - to "educate" or "correct" a child when he/she/maggot steps across the line.
Child abuse - using a child as a punching bag.

Yes the driver should've been more responsible. But those kids took advantage of his position as the "bus driver." If those kids would've walked up to a full grown adult and called them a "fucker." I doubt they'd be simply "beat up." I mean the bus driver was what? 66 years old? To cuss at someone of that age/generation, that just goes to show how "well behaved" the kids were.

Let's just let them be, next week we'll have kids killing the bus driver and it'll be a okay. I mean come on, it was in "instinctively self defence." Please.

Edit: Yes, I'm being sarcastic, just in case you think otherwise...

On June 12 2005 04:39 Xeofreestyler wrote:
Some kid 10x younger than you calling you a motherfucker?
Hell, I wouldve thrown that kid through the window .... "victims" my ass, these little shits need education and discipline

On June 12 2005 05:53 FrozenArbiter wrote:

Yeah, they can get some of that walking to school everyday.

Then again that IS the states.. Walking to school might not be very safe xD

Or maybe that's just bullshit ;p

On June 09 2005 07:22 CallmeChewy wrote:
All the kid did was jump up and get the man's attention the only way he knew how. He cussed.