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Sweden33719 Posts
On June 02 2005 12:06 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
and I thought he grabbed him by the neck as well, I didn't bring that up because I'm not sure and am not gonna watch the movie again. But if so, grabbing someone by the neck is so harmless I can't understand you'd call that violence.
Oh.
Neck is pretty damn different from throat +_+ I didn't even realize he grabbed him by the throat until someone said it -_-;;
Anyways, there's so more ways to tell someone they've done something wrong otehr than beating them with a stick--
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On June 02 2005 11:51 Liquid`Drone wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2005 10:07 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:On June 02 2005 08:15 Liquid`Drone wrote:
you should treat children with the same kind of respect you'd treat an adult
that's how you teach them to be respectful. if they don't learn when they're crossing the line it'll only get worse I would think It's not like he beat him up he just grabbed him a bit although this is more true for younger kids (it still holds somewhat true for 11 year olds), generally bad behaviour is caused by lack of attention/ the kid wanting attention. the thing is just that they don't separate as well between good and bad attention, thus they end up doing whichever gives them more attention. thus, through punishing bad behaviour you might be encouraging it, especially if you punish bad behaviour more than you reward good behaviour. of course you still need to make the kid aware of it when (s)he does something wrong. but simply saying "don't do that" and explaining why is much better than yelling at her/him, and a LOT better than doing anything physical. grounding is also pretty unwise.
I think in alot of cases is not the attention that makes kids act out. I think that they're used to being controlled by dictator like parents at home, parents who maybe resort to physical violence sometimes. These kids are repessed by force at home, but whne thye come to school no such force exists. So they act out and rebel because they can get away with it. Whereas at home their dad would kick their ass.
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Sweden33719 Posts
On June 02 2005 11:30 Ceril wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2005 10:12 FrozenArbiter wrote:
Throat. Grabbed him by the throat.
Grab someones arm, ok. Grab someones throat, not ok. To grab someones throat is something I learned to do by default, on the other hand I had a little rough time because of my temper back in early school days, once it was found out I could go into a rage sort of state someone found it very funny to bring that forth in me, hence since I learned the art called: Grab them by the throat and they turn from being predator eyed into sheepeyed. All in all, if you want to realy scare someone, grab them by the throat, nothing seem to work on such a instictive level of fright as being grabbed around the throat ^^
My temper was SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO bad until 6th grade -_-b Incidently around the time I started playing starcraft ^_^ And went from really bad to really good when I started playing BW haha 
Hm, no one ever used that against me though because I'm pretty big + most people liked me.
I had absolutely SHIT teachers though, so I'm biased against teachers.
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that's good, rehabilitation center for kids where all they do all day long is play starcraft
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Russian Federation4447 Posts
I have a question to foreigners:
Are kids in your country like this?
This is basically the norm in North America.
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Sweden33719 Posts
Hm.
I've been told swedish kids have a very, very bad reputation =/
Which I often tend to agree with.. Though where I live I've haven't experienced *that* much shit, well, at least people tend to not call teachers motherfuckers but it's not like anyone respects them..
And I've considered people 'retarded kids' since I was like 6 probably 
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those kids were faggots. gogo busdriver ggnore kids. -_-
they need to be taught a lesson
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He shoulda just kicked those kids off his bus, if parents complain about it, complain to the parents about not teaching their kids respect. That bus driver doesn't have to take shit from those kids. Think their so tough until the bus driver gets up and one kids starts screaming like a little girl.
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On June 02 2005 13:14 Tien wrote:
I have a question to foreigners:
Are kids in your country like this?
This is basically the norm in North America.
In Britain the behaviour of adolescents has recently become a fairly major political issue.
There's a happy slapping wave supposedly going through Britain.
A major shopping centre has banned hooded tops and baseball caps because of intimidation of shoppers: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/kent/4534903.stm
Politically speaking it looks as though the Government is going to try to bring in reforms putting more responsibility for anti-social behaviour in adolescents on the parents.
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You are all rediculously stupid!
First of all, I will say that I do NOT agree with how the kid in the back acted in the first place. It was stupid and disrespectful.
Now that that is out of the way...What did the first kid that the bus driver "ruffed" up do? He was sitting there watching the driver get up and it looked like he tried to move his feet out of the isle or something when he was basically SLAMMED backwards into his seat and pushed into the side of the bus. Apparently not moving out of the way fast enough for a 66 year old man on a rampage...
When all of you keep saying how it was only the older kid throwing punches, OPEN YOUR FUCKING EYES!!! The only reason that kid acted was because the driver was storming threateningly towards someone easily 2 feet shorter, and probably 150 or more pounds less than him. From the way the driver stormed up there I was thinking that he was going to tear that younger kid apart!!
The older kid acted as anyone in his position should have. He protected all those around him who would have had NO CHANCE IN HELL against a man that size! And if you will pay attention, it's the BUS DRIVER WHO PUT HIS HANDS ON THE KID FIRST!!!! All the kid did was jump up and get the man's attention the only way he knew how. He cussed.
From there, instinct took over for the kid. After being thrown and pushed back further into the bus and temporarily being strangled by the man, as soon as he was free he launched a punch to try and defend himself. After several more seconds of man-handling the teenager, the man hears a page on the radio and hurries back to his seat.
The kid's behavior was rude and uncalled for, but they are just kids!!! ALL KIDS CUSS!!! Get used to it already!! By the time they are in 4th or 5th grade they have already learned the majority of words and phrases commonly used in cussing from their friends and PARENTS!! They grow out of it in time, through growing up and regular life experiences.
The reactions of the driver were UNFORGIVEABLE!!! He had no right to lay a hand on any of those kids after he had already called for reinforcements from local police. As an ADULT, he should know how to control himself. None of the children were threatening ANYONE, let alone other children or even the driver, so the law that allows "hands-on discipline" in case someone begins threatening someone else does NOT apply to this man!
All in all this man, and ALL of you who support what he did, you all make me sick. Discipline should be left in the hands of the parents. NOT in the hands of some RANDOM bus driver who can't control his temper worth shit!!
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It was wrong the way the bus driver reacted no doubt about and the kids should have just done what he asked them to do in the first place rather than ignore/argue with him. The bus driver took it to far when he hit the kid and then choked him. I also heard this morning about a teacher somewhere (i cannot remember where) that choked a student till he passed out. I do believe the teacher was fired but this kinda stuff happens a lil more often than it should.
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On June 09 2005 07:22 CallmeChewy wrote:
You are all rediculously stupid!
how ironic lol
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what's ironic? Rediculous and stupid may seem to mean the same thing separately, but when put together rediculous changes to something like "amazingly" or "incredibly".
But I'm glad that at least 1 or 2 people in this thread aren't all for child abuse.
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The irony is in you needing spelling classes.
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aww...does your pussy hurt?
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On June 10 2005 07:28 CallmeChewy wrote:
what's ironic? Rediculous and stupid may seem to mean the same thing separately, but when put together rediculous changes to something like "amazingly" or "incredibly".
But I'm glad that at least 1 or 2 people in this thread aren't all for child abuse.
That dosn't make sense, and it's not just because you have the grammar of an eleven year old.
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/me takes out his obvious stick. Redicilous is a SPELLING ERROR, it's spelt ridiculous.
There's a clear line between discipline and child abuse.
Discipline - to "educate" or "correct" a child when he/she/maggot steps across the line.
Child abuse - using a child as a punching bag.
Yes the driver should've been more responsible. But those kids took advantage of his position as the "bus driver." If those kids would've walked up to a full grown adult and called them a "fucker." I doubt they'd be simply "beat up." I mean the bus driver was what? 66 years old? To cuss at someone of that age/generation, that just goes to show how "well behaved" the kids were.
Let's just let them be, next week we'll have kids killing the bus driver and it'll be a okay. I mean come on, it was in "instinctively self defence." Please.
Edit: Yes, I'm being sarcastic, just in case you think otherwise...
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throat != scruff of neck
y'all are retarded
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Belgium6774 Posts
Some kid 10x younger than you calling you a motherfucker?
Hell, I wouldve thrown that kid through the window .... "victims" my ass, these little shits need education and discipline
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