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We are extremely close to shutting down this thread for the same reasons the PUA thread was shut down. While some of the time this thread contains actual discussion with people asking help and people giving nice advice, it often gets derailed by rubbish that should not be here. The moderation team will be trying to steer this thread in a different direction from now on.

Posts of the following nature are banned:
1) ANYTHING regarding PUA. If your post contains the words 'alpha' or 'beta' or anything of that sort please don't hit post.
2) Stupid brags. You can tell us about your nice success stories with someone, but posts such as 'lol 50 Tinder matches' are a no-no.
3) Any misogynistic bullshit, including discussion about rape culture.
4) One night stands and random sex. These are basically brags that invariably devolve into gender role discussions and misogynistic comments.

Last chance, guys. This thread is for dating advice and sharing dating stories. While gender roles, sociocultural norms, and our biological imperative to reproduce are all tangentially related, these subjects are not the main purpose of the thread. Please AVOID these discussions. If you want to discuss them at length, go to PMs or start a blog. If you disagree with someone's ideologies, state that you disagree with them and why they won't work from a dating standpoint and move on. We will not tolerate any lengthy derailments that aren't directly about dating.
drowisimba
Profile Joined December 2012
65 Posts
January 03 2013 22:43 GMT
#1141
On January 04 2013 07:14 r.Evo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 04 2013 07:09 drowisimba wrote:
On January 04 2013 07:04 algue wrote:
On January 04 2013 06:53 drowisimba wrote:
The best things to get women:

1) Being handsome
2) Being high-status
3) Being able to trick people that you're high-status


The worst things:

1) Being ugly
2) Being low-status
3) Being smart


Stereotypical BS especially "being smart"


It's true. Sorry that it doesn't agree with your feminist agenda..

If being feminist leads to me getting laid more often, I'm all for feminism.


Well, it doesn't. Quite to the contrary.
CosmicSpiral
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States15275 Posts
January 03 2013 22:43 GMT
#1142
On January 04 2013 07:25 Striker.superfreunde wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 04 2013 07:17 CosmicSpiral wrote:
"The Hippies Were Wrong"

People often interpret the speech given by Baldwin's character incorrectly, especially when they fail to recognize what kind of writer David Mamet is. Mamet's works almost always deal with masculine identity and that was the entire focus of the speech. It is not about how people are only viewed as the sum total of their skills, it's about how the failure/success of men in their work is a self-reflection of the state of their masculinity. If you suck at selling real estate you're just not an idiot at selling real estate: you're a coward, a failure, lack personal resolve, and lack the essence of a real man.



Are you educated in this? Even tho, tell us more! :o


I always make sure to comprehensively understand other writers to improve my own work.

Glengarry Glenn Ross is almost thirty years old. I'm sure other people have written extensive analysis on that one speech alone. I'm just an amateur in terms of that type of writing.
WriterWovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muß man schweigen.
drowisimba
Profile Joined December 2012
65 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-03 22:44:47
January 03 2013 22:44 GMT
#1143
On January 04 2013 07:11 sam!zdat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 04 2013 07:09 drowisimba wrote:
On January 04 2013 07:04 algue wrote:
On January 04 2013 06:53 drowisimba wrote:
The best things to get women:

1) Being handsome
2) Being high-status
3) Being able to trick people that you're high-status


The worst things:

1) Being ugly
2) Being low-status
3) Being smart


Stereotypical BS especially "being smart"


It's true. Sorry that it doesn't agree with your feminist agenda..


It's only true if you don't want to date smart girls. and smartness is the most attractive thing anyway


Haha. Yeah, okay.

Beta males galore here, of course. Good luck hunting.

Why the hell would I want to date a smart girl? And what is a smart girl anyway?
biomech
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany380 Posts
January 03 2013 22:47 GMT
#1144
On January 04 2013 07:18 Shiragaku wrote:
What makes me curious is what most of you guys look for in a girl.


this post got a lot of replies. kudos!

actually, it's simple. first, appealing appearance. second, someone to talk with.
(yes, in this order. apparantly i see people first before i talk to them.)
B.I.G.
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
3251 Posts
January 03 2013 22:48 GMT
#1145
Lol how is being smart a bad thing... But i dont think anyone can argue that being handsome and being high status doesn't help your chances..
Salazarz
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Korea (South)2591 Posts
January 03 2013 22:48 GMT
#1146
On January 04 2013 07:17 CosmicSpiral wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 04 2013 06:45 Salazarz wrote:
On January 04 2013 06:39 CosmicSpiral wrote:
On January 04 2013 06:35 Salazarz wrote:
http://www.cracked.com/blog/6-harsh-truths-that-will-make-you-better-person/

This should be a required read for pretty much everyone talking about importance of 'mental part' over 'status and wealth', it's really so spot on.

The fact is, majority of people in the western world are poor because they deserve to be. Yes, there are some people with circumstances, medical conditions, whatever - but then again, if you have issues that legitimately prevent you from being at least somewhat successful in life (not talking about having a private jet, but at least a steady job and enough money to cover a car / mortgage), what makes you think anyone should want to get entangled with that?


LMAO you choose that website to get "real honest truths" when it's known for its overbearing, smug cynicism and factual inaccuracy?


I know what cracked.com generally is. Have you read that particular article, though? It's really quite accurate.


"The World Only Cares About What It Can Get from You"

This is a meaningless generalization because the use of "the world" in any meaningful sentence makes it meaningless. The relevant world you will interact with exist on multiple levels: individuals, families, social groups, businesses, ideological organizations. All of them have their own needs, desires, goals, and conjectures. Saying that you were born into a system that supports people's needs is a mundane truth; if it did not do so, it will not be self-sufficient and would eventually collapse.

"The Hippies Were Wrong"

People often interpret the speech given by Baldwin's character incorrectly, especially when they fail to recognize what kind of writer David Mamet is. Mamet's works almost always deal with masculine identity and that was the entire focus of the speech. It is not about how people are only viewed as the sum total of their skills, it's about how the failure/success of men in their work is a self-reflection of the state of their masculinity. If you suck at selling real estate you're just not an idiot at selling real estate: you're a coward, a failure, lack personal resolve, and lack the essence of a real man.

The same thing for Tyler Durden: didn't David Wong realize that Tyler Durden wasn't a real person, and not in the sense of physical existence? Durden wasn't even a fully-realized personality but the ideological incarnation of the protagonist's view, his essence negative. So it should have no surprise that he eventually went "insane". Even his soap business was based off of a childish revenge fantasy: steal the fat of the rich and sell it back to them at a profit, yeah we're sticking it to the man!

Wong is forced to make his statement toothless by equating "job" with "what you do". Since people naturally do things anyway, where's the insight? People are associated with their actions? STOP THE PRESSES.

"What You Produce Does Not Have to Make Money, But It Does Have to Benefit People"

Uses the plight of hopeless romantics as a strawman, does not discuss any other relationships which do not require a sexual base.

etc. etc. etc.



What's your point? lol
EngrishTeacher
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
Canada1109 Posts
January 03 2013 22:49 GMT
#1147
Ahahahaha this thread has me in tears.

Thanks TL, how was I not aware of this gem before?


In related news, having sex with a virgin wasn't as amazing as I thought it was going to be, too much pain on her end for me to really do anything.
sam!zdat
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5559 Posts
January 03 2013 22:51 GMT
#1148
On January 04 2013 07:44 drowisimba wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 04 2013 07:11 sam!zdat wrote:
On January 04 2013 07:09 drowisimba wrote:
On January 04 2013 07:04 algue wrote:
On January 04 2013 06:53 drowisimba wrote:
The best things to get women:

1) Being handsome
2) Being high-status
3) Being able to trick people that you're high-status


The worst things:

1) Being ugly
2) Being low-status
3) Being smart


Stereotypical BS especially "being smart"


It's true. Sorry that it doesn't agree with your feminist agenda..


It's only true if you don't want to date smart girls. and smartness is the most attractive thing anyway


Why the hell would I want to date a smart girl? And what is a smart girl anyway?


she wouldn't like you anyway, so I wouldn't worry about it
shikata ga nai
Shiragaku
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Hong Kong4308 Posts
January 03 2013 22:52 GMT
#1149
On January 04 2013 07:49 EngrishTeacher wrote:
Ahahahaha this thread has me in tears.

Thanks TL, how was I not aware of this gem before?


In related news, having sex with a virgin wasn't as amazing as I thought it was going to be, too much pain on her end for me to really do anything.

Yes...let's strut our manliness here on the internet rather than talking about dating itself.
baba1
Profile Joined April 2005
Canada355 Posts
January 03 2013 22:52 GMT
#1150
On January 04 2013 07:18 Shiragaku wrote:
What makes me curious is what most of you guys look for in a girl.


First of all she has to be my friend.

Honest, a bit nerdy, responsible and attentive.
Look does not matter that much as long as I find her cute.

noq uote
Grimmyman123
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada939 Posts
January 03 2013 22:53 GMT
#1151
Example, Steve Buscemi.

If a female didnt know he was a famous and wealthy actor, regardless of his massive charisma and charm, he's ugly as a stump and no woman would ever go a date with him.

BUT! Guess what, he is rich and famous.

Money. Getting girls into normal mens pants since well.. forever!
Win. That's all that matters. Win. Nobody likes to lose.
r.Evo
Profile Joined August 2006
Germany14080 Posts
January 03 2013 22:54 GMT
#1152
On January 04 2013 07:34 phipsL wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 04 2013 00:17 ShrieK wrote:
On January 03 2013 23:52 phipsL wrote:
Bad Luck only. I am 18 still virgin and never had a relationship because for some reason every girl friendzones me and says things like "if only my boyfriend was like you"

esports and my computer are the only things i need... and my bed.

It's not bad luck.. figure out the reason why they do that and fix it.


thats harder than it sounds because i dont really know what im doing wrong. For example the last girl i was texting with. I met her in hospital (she was one of my patients and i am a male nurse) and she randomly gave me her number. After a week or so she said "yeah, of course i want to meet you again, thats why i gave you my number" and then another week later i asked her when we could meet. She replied with "i dont know, it depends on the weather" which for me seems like a very questionable answer and more like bad excuse because i dont know about the weather in america or so but in germany its kinda bad at the moment, so it would take a few months till the weather gets good again. And i dont really want to run after somebody who gives such a stupid answer. Maybe thats my mistake but i dont think thats an answer a woman would give if she'd actually wanted me to run after her.

"Randomly gave me her number" ~ She had bigger balls than you.


"When can we meet?" suggest that you try to push the responsibility on her. Suggest a date & place, if she rejects jokingly make her suggest the next round.

"I don't know, it depends on the weather" -> "Oh, you're sugar? / You only have like two sets of clothes?" -> Suggest date & place.
"We don't make mistakes here, we call it happy little accidents." ~Bob Ross
Alay
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States660 Posts
January 03 2013 22:56 GMT
#1153
On January 04 2013 07:49 EngrishTeacher wrote:
In related news, having sex with a virgin wasn't as amazing as I thought it was going to be, too much pain on her end for me to really do anything.


Use your tongue lots.
Shiragaku
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Hong Kong4308 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-03 22:57:55
January 03 2013 22:56 GMT
#1154
On January 04 2013 07:53 Grimmyman123 wrote:
Example, Steve Buscemi.

If a female didnt know he was a famous and wealthy actor, regardless of his massive charisma and charm, he's ugly as a stump and no woman would ever go a date with him.

BUT! Guess what, he is rich and famous.

Money. Getting girls into normal mens pants since well.. forever!

Please...you are now scraping at the bottom of the pan now. Enough with the anecdotes.

I am not denying that there are women who are only interested in money and backstabbing men. I have met a girl like that before. However, using the most basic common sense taught in elementary school, you cannot generalize 50 percent of the world population into a single personality. This is not DnD where races share a common personality.
Synapze
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada563 Posts
January 03 2013 22:56 GMT
#1155
I haven't been in a serious relationship in a while. It's not that I'm not looking, more that I haven't found anyone in a while worth pursuing. I think a lot of guys find a girl physically attractive and that's enough for them but I need a girl who I can get a long with really well outside of the bedroom. I think I'm hanging out in the wrong crowds, I never seem to have much in common with any of the girls I meet and that's a deal breaker.
Yuri Victoria LMJ ~♥
CosmicSpiral
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States15275 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-03 22:58:56
January 03 2013 22:57 GMT
#1156
On January 04 2013 07:48 Salazarz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 04 2013 07:17 CosmicSpiral wrote:
On January 04 2013 06:45 Salazarz wrote:
On January 04 2013 06:39 CosmicSpiral wrote:
On January 04 2013 06:35 Salazarz wrote:
http://www.cracked.com/blog/6-harsh-truths-that-will-make-you-better-person/

This should be a required read for pretty much everyone talking about importance of 'mental part' over 'status and wealth', it's really so spot on.

The fact is, majority of people in the western world are poor because they deserve to be. Yes, there are some people with circumstances, medical conditions, whatever - but then again, if you have issues that legitimately prevent you from being at least somewhat successful in life (not talking about having a private jet, but at least a steady job and enough money to cover a car / mortgage), what makes you think anyone should want to get entangled with that?


LMAO you choose that website to get "real honest truths" when it's known for its overbearing, smug cynicism and factual inaccuracy?


I know what cracked.com generally is. Have you read that particular article, though? It's really quite accurate.


"The World Only Cares About What It Can Get from You"

This is a meaningless generalization because the use of "the world" in any meaningful sentence makes it meaningless. The relevant world you will interact with exist on multiple levels: individuals, families, social groups, businesses, ideological organizations. All of them have their own needs, desires, goals, and conjectures. Saying that you were born into a system that supports people's needs is a mundane truth; if it did not do so, it will not be self-sufficient and would eventually collapse.

"The Hippies Were Wrong"

People often interpret the speech given by Baldwin's character incorrectly, especially when they fail to recognize what kind of writer David Mamet is. Mamet's works almost always deal with masculine identity and that was the entire focus of the speech. It is not about how people are only viewed as the sum total of their skills, it's about how the failure/success of men in their work is a self-reflection of the state of their masculinity. If you suck at selling real estate you're just not an idiot at selling real estate: you're a coward, a failure, lack personal resolve, and lack the essence of a real man.

The same thing for Tyler Durden: didn't David Wong realize that Tyler Durden wasn't a real person, and not in the sense of physical existence? Durden wasn't even a fully-realized personality but the ideological incarnation of the protagonist's view, his essence negative. So it should have no surprise that he eventually went "insane". Even his soap business was based off of a childish revenge fantasy: steal the fat of the rich and sell it back to them at a profit, yeah we're sticking it to the man!

Wong is forced to make his statement toothless by equating "job" with "what you do". Since people naturally do things anyway, where's the insight? People are associated with their actions? STOP THE PRESSES.

"What You Produce Does Not Have to Make Money, But It Does Have to Benefit People"

Uses the plight of hopeless romantics as a strawman, does not discuss any other relationships which do not require a sexual base.

etc. etc. etc.



What's your point? lol


That the article is neither intelligent nor insightful but states very mundane truths that are warped by the author's need to sound wise? It's like reading a high school student who just discovered Nietzsche and goes around talking about "beating people up proves I'm superior to them".
WriterWovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muß man schweigen.
drowisimba
Profile Joined December 2012
65 Posts
January 03 2013 22:59 GMT
#1157
On January 04 2013 07:51 sam!zdat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 04 2013 07:44 drowisimba wrote:
On January 04 2013 07:11 sam!zdat wrote:
On January 04 2013 07:09 drowisimba wrote:
On January 04 2013 07:04 algue wrote:
On January 04 2013 06:53 drowisimba wrote:
The best things to get women:

1) Being handsome
2) Being high-status
3) Being able to trick people that you're high-status


The worst things:

1) Being ugly
2) Being low-status
3) Being smart


Stereotypical BS especially "being smart"


It's true. Sorry that it doesn't agree with your feminist agenda..


It's only true if you don't want to date smart girls. and smartness is the most attractive thing anyway


Why the hell would I want to date a smart girl? And what is a smart girl anyway?


she wouldn't like you anyway, so I wouldn't worry about it


Right, that's what I've been saying. Glad you're agreeing with me.
CosmicSpiral
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States15275 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-03 23:00:19
January 03 2013 22:59 GMT
#1158
On January 04 2013 07:49 EngrishTeacher wrote:
In related news, having sex with a virgin wasn't as amazing as I thought it was going to be, too much pain on her end for me to really do anything.


Well, she was a virgin. Your expectations for great sex might have been a bit high considering all the emotions and inexperience on her end.
WriterWovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muß man schweigen.
Shiragaku
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Hong Kong4308 Posts
January 03 2013 23:00 GMT
#1159
On January 04 2013 07:57 CosmicSpiral wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 04 2013 07:48 Salazarz wrote:
On January 04 2013 07:17 CosmicSpiral wrote:
On January 04 2013 06:45 Salazarz wrote:
On January 04 2013 06:39 CosmicSpiral wrote:
On January 04 2013 06:35 Salazarz wrote:
http://www.cracked.com/blog/6-harsh-truths-that-will-make-you-better-person/

This should be a required read for pretty much everyone talking about importance of 'mental part' over 'status and wealth', it's really so spot on.

The fact is, majority of people in the western world are poor because they deserve to be. Yes, there are some people with circumstances, medical conditions, whatever - but then again, if you have issues that legitimately prevent you from being at least somewhat successful in life (not talking about having a private jet, but at least a steady job and enough money to cover a car / mortgage), what makes you think anyone should want to get entangled with that?


LMAO you choose that website to get "real honest truths" when it's known for its overbearing, smug cynicism and factual inaccuracy?


I know what cracked.com generally is. Have you read that particular article, though? It's really quite accurate.


"The World Only Cares About What It Can Get from You"

This is a meaningless generalization because the use of "the world" in any meaningful sentence makes it meaningless. The relevant world you will interact with exist on multiple levels: individuals, families, social groups, businesses, ideological organizations. All of them have their own needs, desires, goals, and conjectures. Saying that you were born into a system that supports people's needs is a mundane truth; if it did not do so, it will not be self-sufficient and would eventually collapse.

"The Hippies Were Wrong"

People often interpret the speech given by Baldwin's character incorrectly, especially when they fail to recognize what kind of writer David Mamet is. Mamet's works almost always deal with masculine identity and that was the entire focus of the speech. It is not about how people are only viewed as the sum total of their skills, it's about how the failure/success of men in their work is a self-reflection of the state of their masculinity. If you suck at selling real estate you're just not an idiot at selling real estate: you're a coward, a failure, lack personal resolve, and lack the essence of a real man.

The same thing for Tyler Durden: didn't David Wong realize that Tyler Durden wasn't a real person, and not in the sense of physical existence? Durden wasn't even a fully-realized personality but the ideological incarnation of the protagonist's view, his essence negative. So it should have no surprise that he eventually went "insane". Even his soap business was based off of a childish revenge fantasy: steal the fat of the rich and sell it back to them at a profit, yeah we're sticking it to the man!

Wong is forced to make his statement toothless by equating "job" with "what you do". Since people naturally do things anyway, where's the insight? People are associated with their actions? STOP THE PRESSES.

"What You Produce Does Not Have to Make Money, But It Does Have to Benefit People"

Uses the plight of hopeless romantics as a strawman, does not discuss any other relationships which do not require a sexual base.

etc. etc. etc.



What's your point? lol


That the article is neither intelligent nor insightful but states very mundane truths that are warped by the author's need to sound wise? It's like reading a high school student who just discovered Nietzsche and goes around talking about "beating people up proves I'm superior to them".

Woah...there are people who interpret him worse than Rand?
EngrishTeacher
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
Canada1109 Posts
January 03 2013 23:02 GMT
#1160
On January 04 2013 07:52 Shiragaku wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 04 2013 07:49 EngrishTeacher wrote:
Ahahahaha this thread has me in tears.

Thanks TL, how was I not aware of this gem before?


In related news, having sex with a virgin wasn't as amazing as I thought it was going to be, too much pain on her end for me to really do anything.

Yes...let's strut our manliness here on the internet rather than talking about dating itself.


As much as I love TL, you're not really suggesting we actually talk about dating seriously on a forum filled with teenage nerds are you? Have you not read the dozens of pages of the two extreme ends of ridiculous masculine misogyny/superiority and feminist put-all-girls-on-a-pedestal-for-worship mentalities?

I don't know about you man, but the hilarious immaturity is practically leaking through my screen.

I admit I'm generalizing and not doing justice to the 20s/30s TL veterans, but my post holds true for the vast majority who has posted in this thread.
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