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We are extremely close to shutting down this thread for the same reasons the PUA thread was shut down. While some of the time this thread contains actual discussion with people asking help and people giving nice advice, it often gets derailed by rubbish that should not be here. The moderation team will be trying to steer this thread in a different direction from now on. Posts of the following nature are banned: 1) ANYTHING regarding PUA. If your post contains the words 'alpha' or 'beta' or anything of that sort please don't hit post. 2) Stupid brags. You can tell us about your nice success stories with someone, but posts such as 'lol 50 Tinder matches' are a no-no. 3) Any misogynistic bullshit, including discussion about rape culture. 4) One night stands and random sex. These are basically brags that invariably devolve into gender role discussions and misogynistic comments. Last chance, guys. This thread is for dating advice and sharing dating stories. While gender roles, sociocultural norms, and our biological imperative to reproduce are all tangentially related, these subjects are not the main purpose of the thread. Please AVOID these discussions. If you want to discuss them at length, go to PMs or start a blog. If you disagree with someone's ideologies, state that you disagree with them and why they won't work from a dating standpoint and move on. We will not tolerate any lengthy derailments that aren't directly about dating. | ||
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Salazarz
Korea (South)2591 Posts
On January 04 2013 06:39 CosmicSpiral wrote: LMAO you choose that website to get "real honest truths" when it's known for its overbearing, smug cynicism and factual inaccuracy? I know what cracked.com generally is. Have you read that particular article, though? It's really quite accurate. | ||
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r.Evo
Germany14081 Posts
On January 04 2013 06:45 Salazarz wrote: I know what cracked.com generally is. Have you read that particular article, though? It's really quite accurate. I have to admit that speech video was pretty awesome, I'm going to steal how he introduces his AIDA stuff. =D @Shiragaku: Real professional internet headshot, well played, well played. I'm still laughing. | ||
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docvoc
United States5491 Posts
On January 04 2013 06:45 Salazarz wrote: I know what cracked.com generally is. Have you read that particular article, though? It's really quite accurate. I'm sorry what? cracked is not generally accurate whatsoever. The website has been known to not just be "smugly cynical" but also has regular writers that pass off utter bullshit under the draw that sarcasm must make the statement accurate. | ||
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Testuser
6469 Posts
On January 04 2013 06:50 docvoc wrote: I'm sorry what? cracked is not generally accurate whatsoever. The website has been known to not just be "smugly cynical" but also has regular writers that pass off utter bullshit under the draw that sarcasm must make the statement accurate. He didn't say that cracked was generally accurate, but that he thinks that article is  | ||
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drowisimba
65 Posts
Money itself is shit worth. I'm fairly rich but I earned my money playing poker, and nobody cares. I haven't gotten a date in my entire life. If I would've been handsome or at least not butt ugly as I am now, then I would've been able to get someone anyway, money or not. The best things to get women: 1) Being handsome 2) Being high-status 3) Being able to trick people that you're high-status The worst things: 1) Being ugly 2) Being low-status 3) Being smart | ||
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r.Evo
Germany14081 Posts
On January 04 2013 06:50 docvoc wrote: I'm sorry what? cracked is not generally accurate whatsoever. The website has been known to not just be "smugly cynical" but also has regular writers that pass off utter bullshit under the draw that sarcasm must make the statement accurate. I don't even know what cracked usually does, but that article does have some cool points: Because that's the step that gets skipped -- it's always "How can I get a job?" and not "How can I become the type of person employers want?" It's "How can I get pretty girls to like me?" instead of "How can I become the type of person that pretty girls like?" See, because that second one could very well require giving up many of your favorite hobbies and paying more attention to your appearance, and God knows what else. You might even have to change your personality. That's pretty... spot on tbh. | ||
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Salazarz
Korea (South)2591 Posts
On January 04 2013 06:50 docvoc wrote: I'm sorry what? cracked is not generally accurate whatsoever. The website has been known to not just be "smugly cynical" but also has regular writers that pass off utter bullshit under the draw that sarcasm must make the statement accurate. And yet, that particular article answers the whole, 'money vs personality' question about as accurately as you could ever see it answered. Yes, it's cynical and sarcastic - but it's also very true. | ||
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drowisimba
65 Posts
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zbedlam
Australia549 Posts
On January 04 2013 06:50 docvoc wrote: I'm sorry what? cracked is not generally accurate whatsoever. The website has been known to not just be "smugly cynical" but also has regular writers that pass off utter bullshit under the draw that sarcasm must make the statement accurate. Someone who can't read a sentence shouldn't judge how much BS a site contains. This article although "smug and cynical" is rather accurate. | ||
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r.Evo
Germany14081 Posts
On January 04 2013 06:53 drowisimba wrote: Money doesn't really matter, only if you can buy power and status with that money. Money might be able to do that, but then you need a lot of it and you need to earn it the right way (and you need to look good, or at least not ugly; you should be able to pass for an alpha male even if you're not handsome). Money itself is shit worth. I'm fairly rich but I earned my money playing poker, and nobody cares. I haven't gotten a date in my entire life. If I would've been handsome or at least not butt ugly as I am now, then I would've been able to get someone anyway, money or not. The best things to get women: 1) Being handsome 2) Being high-status 3) Being able to trick people that you're high-status The worst things: 1) Being ugly 2) Being low-status 3) Being smart Did you notice that the people in here who believe they don't have enough money to get a great girl seem to believe that money is pretty damn important? You as someone who seems to be what he perceives as "more than enough money" show up and say "Hey, guys, I got that covered, I know better - LOOKS are more important!" The same goes for pretty much any of those common categories. Looks? There are lots of handsome guys without having a great relationship and/or getting laid often. Being high-status is trickier but since I think I can safely assume that you're talking about status as in a great job or being famous - same thing here. There are lots of guys who have that without women in their life. In terms of how evolution changed the way we date being the smartest around is pretty much equivalent to having the biggest biceps back when we were cavemen, you just have to use being smart... smart enough. | ||
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Grimmyman123
Canada939 Posts
Cool would imply that I care what the status quo and what society thinks of me, and if that perception is accepted. Fact is, I honestly don't give a rats arse what society thinks of me, and if I am perceived as cool. So, in sumation, I'll be plenty happy not knowing if I am cool or not, but that I am enjoying life having done things that most people only wish they have done, and being in a positon to start it all over again. | ||
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sam!zdat
United States5559 Posts
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algue
France1436 Posts
On January 04 2013 06:53 drowisimba wrote: The best things to get women: 1) Being handsome 2) Being high-status 3) Being able to trick people that you're high-status The worst things: 1) Being ugly 2) Being low-status 3) Being smart Stereotypical BS especially "being smart" | ||
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r.Evo
Germany14081 Posts
On January 04 2013 07:00 Grimmyman123 wrote: Cool would imply that I care what the status quo and what society thinks of me, and if that perception is accepted. Fact is, I honestly don't give a rats arse what society thinks of me, and if I am perceived as cool. So, in sumation, I'll be plenty happy not knowing if I am cool or not, but that I am enjoying life having done things that most people only wish they have done, and being in a positon to start it all over again. Apparently you do care. You live in a world where women want money and status first, appearances second and love/affection last. You're mostly pissed/ignorant that guys exist who seem to live in a different world and feel the urgent need to tell them that they're all delusional. =) | ||
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zbedlam
Australia549 Posts
On January 04 2013 06:57 r.Evo wrote: Did you notice that the people in here who believe they don't have enough money to get a great girl seem to believe that money is pretty damn important? You as someone who seems to be what he perceives as "more than enough money" show up and say "Hey, guys, I got that covered, I know better - LOOKS are more important!" The same goes for pretty much any of those common categories. Looks? There are lots of handsome guys without having a great relationship and/or getting laid often. Being high-status is trickier but since I think I can safely assume that you're talking about status as in a great job or being famous - same thing here. There are lots of guys who have that without women in their life. In terms of how evolution changed the way we date being the smartest around is pretty much equivalent to having the biggest biceps back when we were cavemen, you just have to use being smart... smart enough. Looks, money and status is important, but what is more important is confidence. Girls will always gravitate towards the guy with the strongest personality frame in the room. To all the people in this thread complaining about women being backstabbing bitches that will rip your heart out and steal your wallet, not my experience. Saying that though, women will leave you in a heartbeat if she sees something better that takes interest in her. To make sure this doesn't happen, make sure you are the best thing in her life, support her, love her and don't take shit from any other guys. Guys will do pretty much the same thing though, if there is an attractive girl that takes interest in you guaranteed your gf will feel insecure and tell you about it, some will take the male approach and drive the other girl away and that is always fun to watch. Don't be a chump, don't be a pussy, you will get girls providing you aren't broke and ugly. edit: You can still get girls if you are ugly, just make sure you don't let it affect your confidence. | ||
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Jisall
United States2054 Posts
On January 04 2013 07:00 Grimmyman123 wrote: Cool would imply that I care what the status quo and what society thinks of me, and if that perception is accepted. Fact is, I honestly don't give a rats arse what society thinks of me, and if I am perceived as cool. So, in sumation, I'll be plenty happy not knowing if I am cool or not, but that I am enjoying life having done things that most people only wish they have done, and being in a positon to start it all over again. Money is always fun. I like kicking it and talking with a chick that im going with personally, some of my best dates have been where we stay up all night talking staring into each others eyes. Being in college I replace money with personality since im poor lol. For all the people looking for advice on getting chicks, just relax. Thats it. Be nice and genuinely care for the girl your taking out. Ask her about herself, I've found that every woman i've ever met has something intrinsically special about them. Find out what it is and make the lady feel special for it. The mistake most people make is focusing on sex when with a girl. It is a cheap escape from having to actually give a shit and try and understand another human being. Relax, bond with your friends, and bond with your special lady. | ||
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drowisimba
65 Posts
On January 04 2013 06:57 r.Evo wrote: Did you notice that the people in here who believe they don't have enough money to get a great girl seem to believe that money is pretty damn important? You as someone who seems to be what he perceives as "more than enough money" show up and say "Hey, guys, I got that covered, I know better - LOOKS are more important!" The same goes for pretty much any of those common categories. Looks? There are lots of handsome guys without having a great relationship and/or getting laid often. Being high-status is trickier but since I think I can safely assume that you're talking about status as in a great job or being famous - same thing here. There are lots of guys who have that without women in their life. In terms of how evolution changed the way we date being the smartest around is pretty much equivalent to having the biggest biceps back when we were cavemen, you just have to use being smart... smart enough. I don't really understand what you're trying to say. The people who think that they need money to get a girl could be deluding themselves. They might be ugly, beta, low-status or just boring. Sure, they would probably do better if they had money the right way. Why isn't my ACTUAL experience enough? No, there are no handsome people that can't easily get laid. Get real. And no, being smart is not the same as having the biggest biceps back then. It's the SAME now as then, it's about being alpha. You don't see women swarming around Bill Gates or Warren Buffett, do you? Yet they would be the men that would have the easiest time protecting their women in these days, so if evolution "had changed" then they would be the alpha males of today. Yet they are not. Being smart has a high chance of coming with a lot of anti-social behaviors, because frankly you can't stand how stupid people are, or you have aspergers, or you just don't like people, or you bury yourself in work, or you have some kind of nerdy hobby... No women get impressed by smart men. They might think they do, but they don't. Being in the middle of the curve, or slightly above it, is ideal. | ||
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drowisimba
65 Posts
It's true. Sorry that it doesn't agree with your feminist agenda.. | ||
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drowisimba
65 Posts
On January 04 2013 07:07 zbedlam wrote: Looks, money and status is important, but what is more important is confidence. Girls will always gravitate towards the guy with the strongest personality frame in the room. To all the people in this thread complaining about women being backstabbing bitches that will rip your heart out and steal your wallet, not my experience. Saying that though, women will leave you in a heartbeat if she sees something better that takes interest in her. To make sure this doesn't happen, make sure you are the best thing in her life, support her, love her and don't take shit from any other guys. Guys will do pretty much the same thing though, if there is an attractive girl that takes interest in you guaranteed your gf will feel insecure and tell you about it, some will take the male approach and drive the other girl away and that is always fun to watch. Don't be a chump, don't be a pussy, you will get girls providing you aren't broke and ugly. edit: You can still get girls if you are ugly, just make sure you don't let it affect your confidence. All this is bullshit. If you're ugly and boring you're still ugly and boring. Confidence won't change that. | ||
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maartendq
Belgium3115 Posts
On January 04 2013 07:07 zbedlam wrote: Saying that though, women will leave you in a heartbeat if she sees something better that takes interest in her. To make sure this doesn't happen, make sure you are the best thing in her life, support her, love her and don't take shit from any other guys. Don't be to sure of that. I've been the victim of that twice in a row now. Both admitted I was the better choice and treated them better but both of them went back to their old boyfriends. | ||
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