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On September 14 2011 20:17 Falco252 wrote:http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/sep/13/internet-troll-jailed-mocking-teenagers![[image loading]](http://www.numerama.com/media/attach/seanduffy.jpg) Quickly said, this guy went to jail for 4months, banned for 5 years of socials networks and need to tell the police if he buys a mobile with internet on it. This guy trolled post-mortem a girl that he didn't even knew(Tasha, I guess its Natasha) on the facebook page created by her mother after her suicide. Going as far as treating her as a "bitch" + Show Spoiler +He also did an editing of the "movie" Thomas et ses amis but putting the girl's photography instead. (And this, is going really far knowing she suicided by jumping under a train) After the sand prank etc, there REALLY is weird pepole in this world. RIP to the girl.
ironically the man looks like he should be a troll IRL. but on a serious note, what a terrible thing to do. its never nice to see the underbelly of the internet :/
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I'm glad I gave up all the social networks a long time ago.
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Don't forget this also isn't the first and only time the guy did this.
For those too lazy to read the actual article, it was a repeated thing for this guy.
Joanne Belsey, prosecuting, said Duffy's series of online attacks began following the death of 16-year-old Hayley Bates, from Staffordshire, who died in a car crash in September 2010.
Duffy defaced pictures of her, adding crosses over her eyes and stitches over her forehead. One caption underneath a picture of flowers at the crash site read: "Used car for sale, one useless owner."
He then went on to focus on Lauren Drew, a 14-year-old who died from an epilepsy attack at her home in Gloucester in January.
Duffy posted offensive and upsetting images relating to her death and for Mother's Day created a YouTube video with a picture of a coffin saying "Happy Mothers Day".
Public schoolgirl Natasha MacBryde was his next target. She killed herself after she was sent a message by an anonymous bully on a social networking website. She had also been teased by members of an all-girl clique at school.
Duffy set up a fake tribute page on Facebook called Tasha the Tank Engine.
On the official memorial page set up by her brother James he wrote: "I fell asleep on the track lolz," and posted images of her with text saying she was spoilt. Other trolls joined the abuse.
Duffy's final target was Jordan Cooper, 14, from Washington, Newcastle upon Tyne, who was stabbed to death.
Duffy created a group called "Jordan Cooper in pieces" with a profile picture of a knife with blood dripping off it. A further YouTube video was also made which contained pictures of his eyes crossed out and slashes across his face.
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If your actions would be illegal in real life, what makes them less so on the internet? Until what you do is illegal, you have every right to be anonymous. Once it is illegal, all bets are off.
Jail him.
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On September 14 2011 21:28 gruff wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2011 21:25 Mecker wrote:On September 14 2011 21:24 Doomwish wrote:On September 14 2011 21:17 hypnoxide wrote:
Don't understand why this is jailable. So pointless. Pointless? I have to disagree. A large part of crime and punishment is for the example set to others as a possible consequence. You commit a crime and get caught, you go to jail. Making the perpetrator chose if he/she actually wants to take the risk of dealing with the punishment. The point is that this really isn't a crime by modern standards. Do you think it should be?
I realize you were asking him and not me and you already probably know where I stand, but I really can't see -this- being an issue important enough to spend law enforcement funds on with other more important issues being around, especially because there are other measures in place to prevent this, such as banning the individual.
I mean if we were going for a utopia and this was one of the last few issues along with jaywalking and illegally downloading internet porn, then okay, let's stop it.
On September 14 2011 21:29 xBillehx wrote:Don't forget this also isn't the first and only time the guy did this. For those too lazy to read the actual article, it was a repeated thing for this guy. Show nested quote +Joanne Belsey, prosecuting, said Duffy's series of online attacks began following the death of 16-year-old Hayley Bates, from Staffordshire, who died in a car crash in September 2010.
Duffy defaced pictures of her, adding crosses over her eyes and stitches over her forehead. One caption underneath a picture of flowers at the crash site read: "Used car for sale, one useless owner."
He then went on to focus on Lauren Drew, a 14-year-old who died from an epilepsy attack at her home in Gloucester in January.
Duffy posted offensive and upsetting images relating to her death and for Mother's Day created a YouTube video with a picture of a coffin saying "Happy Mothers Day".
Public schoolgirl Natasha MacBryde was his next target. She killed herself after she was sent a message by an anonymous bully on a social networking website. She had also been teased by members of an all-girl clique at school.
Duffy set up a fake tribute page on Facebook called Tasha the Tank Engine.
On the official memorial page set up by her brother James he wrote: "I fell asleep on the track lolz," and posted images of her with text saying she was spoilt. Other trolls joined the abuse.
Duffy's final target was Jordan Cooper, 14, from Washington, Newcastle upon Tyne, who was stabbed to death.
Duffy created a group called "Jordan Cooper in pieces" with a profile picture of a knife with blood dripping off it. A further YouTube video was also made which contained pictures of his eyes crossed out and slashes across his face.
If anything I think that just reinforces his mental disorder. Besides, a crime shouldn't all of a sudden be punishable because you do it more. You don't have to steal items from other people four times before it becomes an offense. Either it's a crime or it isn't.
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Wow, some pretty ridiculous comments here. The guy acted like a complete ass but I think the punishment is pretty crazy. The parents could have easily ended it by blocking him, and the guy ended up getting five months and a five year ban from all social networks?
Everything about this was a waste of time and money. And to people saying you hope he dies in jail or he should have gotten a significantly longer sentence, can you please explain what justifies that?
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he is an asshole.
but what the fuck. just close his account and be done with it.
jail? wtf
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This guy is a disgusting individual. He deserves what he got.
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On September 14 2011 20:38 HereticSaint wrote:Completely stupid and pointless case and a waste of money for everyone involved. This is the equivalent to prosecuting a random 14 year old girl for illegally downloading music, sure it stirs up some press and may make it into the paper but in the end it deters absolutely no one from doing said action because in the end they aren't going to go after everyone doing it and you are just as likely to win the lottery as you are to get prosecuted for it. As for the family and parents? They need to toughen up, I've had people comment about family members of mine that are dead probably thousands of times, you don't see me sitting in a courtroom every time that happens, even the especially bad times. Show nested quote +On September 14 2011 20:37 syno wrote:On September 14 2011 20:32 Sea_Food wrote:On September 14 2011 20:29 syno wrote:
And if u were her mother, would u just ban him?
Wouldnt u prefer to see him in jail
If victims would be judges, the human race would have ended in extinction already. Yes. But just try to think like the mother/parents. Wouldnt you try everything to see this idiot paying for what he's done? Who cares what the mother wants, that has absolutely no relevance. I want a million dollars, I want idiots to die, I want to know how to pilot an F-16. What the hell is your point? Really?
Interesting argument. "What's the point of prosecution if a guilty outcome is highly unlikely to deter others in the future.". I .. have to agree with you as long as deterrence isn't achieved, and as long as he's banned from doing this and is monitored, or something.
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On September 14 2011 21:33 Lafali wrote:And to people saying you hope he dies in jail or he should have gotten a significantly longer sentence, can you please explain what justifies that?
I wouldn't worry about it, they are just reinforcing the idea that reacting to things emotionally is the incorrect thing to do. I mean, hell we had some people comment on his weight as if that had anything to do with anything.
On September 14 2011 21:35 arbitrageur wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2011 20:38 HereticSaint wrote:Completely stupid and pointless case and a waste of money for everyone involved. This is the equivalent to prosecuting a random 14 year old girl for illegally downloading music, sure it stirs up some press and may make it into the paper but in the end it deters absolutely no one from doing said action because in the end they aren't going to go after everyone doing it and you are just as likely to win the lottery as you are to get prosecuted for it. As for the family and parents? They need to toughen up, I've had people comment about family members of mine that are dead probably thousands of times, you don't see me sitting in a courtroom every time that happens, even the especially bad times. On September 14 2011 20:37 syno wrote:On September 14 2011 20:32 Sea_Food wrote:On September 14 2011 20:29 syno wrote:
And if u were her mother, would u just ban him?
Wouldnt u prefer to see him in jail
If victims would be judges, the human race would have ended in extinction already. Yes. But just try to think like the mother/parents. Wouldnt you try everything to see this idiot paying for what he's done? Who cares what the mother wants, that has absolutely no relevance. I want a million dollars, I want idiots to die, I want to know how to pilot an F-16. What the hell is your point? Really? Interesting argument. "What's the point of prosecution if a guilty outcome is highly unlikely to deter others in the future.". I .. have to agree with you as long as deterrence isn't achieved, and as long as he's banned from doing this and is monitored, or something.
Here's the thing, beside the whole, "There are bigger issues to worry about" argument I put into place earlier which I stand by. Let's address this case specifically, it's a guy with Aspergers, that means he can't really understand what he's doing is wrong because he can't empathize with these individuals. What's my point? Banning him from social networks is just punishment for his, "crime" (Although once again, he's just an example and a bad one at that with his disorder), but giving him jail time does absolutely nothing to fix the problem, especially with his disorder, it more falls under the area of, "revenge" which a lot of TL'rs bring up as what capital punishment is and are against, yet more seem okay with it here, why?
I realize you weren't necessarily taking that position but I just wanted to use your post to illustrate some more issues with this whole fiasco.
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Re the judges comment - it is a strongh assertion and you backed it up ... back when victims where judges it was anarchy .. that is why we created law and had judges and then later jury. This is the point though, these people are posting shit adn someone trolled them ... hard. If that person was in another country there would be no police case. the point being that it is exceptional to be able to enforce so why post anything that *ANYONE* can contribute to if you want it to remain sacrosanct. One of the terms of posting on facebook is that you give up that copyright, they should really read and understand the TOS. Why not set up a website? They invited trolls by posting it the way they did.
This is wierd
why a jail sentance for something that clearly shows hes damaged? he should be getting councilling.
The problem is that there is no clear line between someone writting a flippant comment ... eg i wish cameron was dead ... and someone actually wanting it. I do think that is someone went out and smacked him top side of the head i would approve but right now saying so is being tret as incitement - which it isnt. Most people assume everything they read on internet is bollocks - except the law.
What you have is people coming onto the internet and assuming that everything abides by their nice little safe enclave of rules and that they are safe. That is not the case - it is global, nor should it be the case. the internet was a fun place where you could do what you like, now you have a shit ton of people online who have no idea of its rich history and bringing their physical world assumptions to it.
The fact is that someone in another country could do exactly the same thing and you would have no recourse to jail for that person because they are in a different legal system. Because of this sentancing people to jail because they just happened to be in the same country is contradictory. The problem is with the behaviour of the people who posted it. They could of posted it anywhere but they chose to use facebook and the 'criminal' was simply operating the application according to its rules.
If you posted a picture in the street and someone wrote cunt accross it you wouldnt be suprised.
People shouldnt be running to the police over a fucking facebook page. That is so depressing that so much of their lives is on the internet and that they require that to be sacrosanct. Gone have the days when they would of been laughed at for posting about the suicide and people begin to feel sympathy. The fact is that someone killed themselves and it is probably the fault of the very people who made that page for not being there enough. Way too many gushing sentamentalists these days - and they need to be trolled into shutting the fuck up about their trivial problems and start doing something about them.
Freedom of speech and expression means that if your daughter kills herself and i think you caused it i am allowed to go upto you and say 'I think you should be dead instead, you caused this' without wondering wherther i have incited murder and will be brought up for harassment. the guy made a video, so what? Sticks and stones bitches, grow a pair. Making videos and saying stuff is not a crime (untill the thought police in the UK took over). Even then those rules were for 'terrorism' allegedly but havent been used for that purpose as far as i can tell.
Its like saying reading something incites extremeism. How dare you tell me what i am legally allowed to read, I have a brain and i am responsible for my own decisions - this is all part of the same problem. People think its a crime if i tell them that yes they are obese and need to lose weight because its rude. Because following the logic that sent him to jail, it soon will be.
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On September 14 2011 21:33 ElPeque.fogata wrote:
he is an asshole.
but what the fuck. just close his account and be done with it.
jail? wtf
Your solution is not well thought out. The guy can make another account, or go to an internet cafe and do it there.
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On September 14 2011 21:33 ElPeque.fogata wrote:
he is an asshole.
but what the fuck. just close his account and be done with it.
jail? wtf
yeah i know lol
also he has no neck
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People with Aspergers tend to LOVE trains. Something about the fact that they run on tracks and schedules so they're incredibly predictable.
Adds a different element to him trolling this situation and taking time to edit Thomas the Tank Engine videos.
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It's interesting to see so many people defending free speech to the death and saying this guy shouldn't be jailed.
Free speech is a right, but it shouldn't be taken dogmatically. At what point is one person's right to free speech outweighed by someone else's right not to be harmed by that speech?
For me personally I'd rather draw the line somewhere higher up than lower. People should have the right to speak their opinions freely but not have the right to be assholes. This is the precise reason why the Team Liquid forum is held in such high regard, because the moderators draw the line so high. There are some who do not like it, but most people here do realize that they can perfectly express their opinions liberally without having to resort to making bannable comments.
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On September 14 2011 21:29 xBillehx wrote:Don't forget this also isn't the first and only time the guy did this. For those too lazy to read the actual article, it was a repeated thing for this guy. Show nested quote +Joanne Belsey, prosecuting, said Duffy's series of online attacks began following the death of 16-year-old Hayley Bates, from Staffordshire, who died in a car crash in September 2010.
Duffy defaced pictures of her, adding crosses over her eyes and stitches over her forehead. One caption underneath a picture of flowers at the crash site read: "Used car for sale, one useless owner."
He then went on to focus on Lauren Drew, a 14-year-old who died from an epilepsy attack at her home in Gloucester in January.
Duffy posted offensive and upsetting images relating to her death and for Mother's Day created a YouTube video with a picture of a coffin saying "Happy Mothers Day".
Public schoolgirl Natasha MacBryde was his next target. She killed herself after she was sent a message by an anonymous bully on a social networking website. She had also been teased by members of an all-girl clique at school.
Duffy set up a fake tribute page on Facebook called Tasha the Tank Engine.
On the official memorial page set up by her brother James he wrote: "I fell asleep on the track lolz," and posted images of her with text saying she was spoilt. Other trolls joined the abuse.
Duffy's final target was Jordan Cooper, 14, from Washington, Newcastle upon Tyne, who was stabbed to death.
Duffy created a group called "Jordan Cooper in pieces" with a profile picture of a knife with blood dripping off it. A further YouTube video was also made which contained pictures of his eyes crossed out and slashes across his face.
I have trolled people atleast as bad as he did, on the starcraft 2 game alone probably twise as much as the things listed he did on the whole article. The ones I trolled were more clever than the mother and used the nice ignore feature on me, that also exist on facebook. I have never got the authority on my ass for that.
Anyone who plays dota, or anything like that will not find anything weird at what I do.
Sure, the ones I trolled didnt probably just loose their daugther but still.
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Yet another loser who isn't happy with his own life decides to belittle others, what a wanker, im glad that he was sent down, aspergers has nothing to do with his behavior btw.
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On September 14 2011 21:24 Doomwish wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2011 21:17 hypnoxide wrote:
Don't understand why this is jailable. So pointless. Pointless? I have to disagree. A large part of crime and punishment is for the example set to others as a possible consequence. You commit a crime and get caught, you go to jail. Making the perpetrator chose if he/she actually wants to take the risk of dealing with the punishment. It's not just about rehabilitation for the criminal and justice for the victim, it actually prevents people from crossing that line.
Hardly a crime. If I get in your face on the street I'm not going to jail for it, no matter what I say. Over crowded jail systems, people drunk driving barely get 2-3 years if they kill someone. And this kid gets 4 or 5 months because some woman is putting sensitive crap on the internet. So stupid.
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I wonder how these comments would be different if the article said he got his hands chopped off as punishment. In fact, I bet they wouldn't differ at all.
Does he deserve it? Maybe.
Does that make it justifiable via our society's legal system? No way.
This is a civilized society, where we forgive and offer the benefit of the doubt. His intent was to harm, certainly, but he's basically just guilty of being an idiot (something which is rewarded in other circles of life). There were measures in place to stop what he was doing without resorting to the law. He caused grief to a woman who was already grieving, but who is the law to say that her pain is great enough to warrant a sentence in jail? What happened to the bully who caused the one girl to kill herself in the first place? I bet the law didn't spend a single fucking cent on tracking down that guy, but they're so willing to jail the guy that they can catch without using any taxpayer dollars. This is just a classic scapegoat scenario.
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