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On September 14 2011 21:40 CursedRich wrote:
Yet another loser who isn't happy with his own life decides to belittle others, what a wanker, im glad that he was sent down, aspergers has nothing to do with his behavior btw.
Oh dear, I wasn't aware we had an expert on Aspergers, would you care to take a minute to explain how it isn't relevant to this case at all?
Also, you called the guy a wanker, you should go to jail!
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On September 14 2011 21:36 Newbistic wrote:
It's interesting to see so many people defending free speech to the death and saying this guy shouldn't be jailed.
Free speech is a right, but it shouldn't be taken dogmatically. At what point is one person's right to free speech outweighed by someone else's right not to be harmed by that speech?
For me personally I'd rather draw the line somewhere higher up than lower. People should have the right to speak their opinions freely but not have the right to be assholes. This is the precise reason why the Team Liquid forum is held in such high regard, because the moderators draw the line so high. There are some who do not like it, but most people here do realize that they can perfectly express their opinions liberally without having to resort to making bannable comments.
Thats exactly it people DO have the right to be assholes ... that is why the banhammer comes out ... and you dont phone the police.
the point of free speech is that you don't have to like it - and you can walk away from it.
IE the video and his posts should be removed ... he shouldnt goto jail.
People are just being vindictive ... everyone is like 'huuur punish him!!' forgetting that when the tables are turned it'l be someone like me you turn to - I don't like the death penalty because of its lack of creativity in causing suffering. Fairness is paramount but people are horribly extreme now ... everyones view on everything seems hopelessley polarised.
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So many "jail him" ppl and none of them from Iran,what are you doing outside of Iran when its perfect place for you?
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This is utterly shocking, this is one sonuva bitch.
I wouldn't call him a troll though, I mean this in all seriousness, I think that's an insult to trolls.
Cyber bullying and harassment online is something totally different to being a troll.
Calling him a troll undermines exactly what it is he has done, a troll is some moron on a forum, not criminal bully/stalker harassing someone.
I think it's just the British media capitalising on a term that has just recently surfaced in to main stream dialogue.
RIP to the kids he mocked and wishes to the families and friends he harassed, there's no place for his behaviour in society and it is right that he has been excluded from participating in social media because he has proven how utterly unready he is to use it responsibly.
Although he does look like something I'd find under a bridge.
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There seems to be some people on here who thinks that absolute freedom of speech exists. It doesn't. Every single country in the world has restrictions to it.
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On September 14 2011 21:36 arbitrageur wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2011 21:33 ElPeque.fogata wrote:
he is an asshole.
but what the fuck. just close his account and be done with it.
jail? wtf Your solution is not well thought out. The guy can make another account, or go to an internet cafe and do it there.
So be it, close the new account. as it happens with hackers on battle.net. And go to privacy settings and dissalow him from contacting you or whatever.
Ignore him, then it is not fun anymore and he moves on.
There are so many trolls because trolled people are usually pretty retarded dealing with it.
Jail for insulting?
You take freedom away from being verbaly offensive?
Oh yeah, we are much more human than him.
Verbal offense is a very fuzzy area. Will you include making fun of religion?
God damnit we live in a fascist world. There is the left, the right, but in the end we are all fascists.
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It's only a matter of time before the legal system catches up with the Internet.
The days of trolling with no repercussions for the majority of people will come to end eventually.
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On September 14 2011 21:54 Adila wrote:
It's only a matter of time before the legal system catches up with the Internet.
The days of trolling with no repercussions for the majority of people will come to end eventually.
Yes and everyone who talks shit on the internet shall be jailed?
Are you really that dense? Holy shit.
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Can't believe people make comparisons to idiots trolling on battle.net.
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On September 14 2011 21:57 Holgerius wrote:
Can't believe people make comparisons to idiots trolling on battle.net.
Why?
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I think it's ridiculous that they are even making anything of the fact he was a "troll" They should have just said that it was due to harrassment of family members of the girl over the internet. I think it sets a very dangerous precedent to send someone to jail over something they said over the internet.
However, he is a prick and deserves some kind of punishment. Jail isn't exactly going to help him though is it.
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On September 14 2011 21:57 Holgerius wrote:
Can't believe people make comparisons to idiots trolling on battle.net.
You're right, that time I had this person troll me for two and a half months at random intervals every time I played Arena on World of Warcraft talking about dead family members, how I should kill myself, dragging it into trade and whispering my friends about the same things.
That's so much different. Oh... wait...
On September 14 2011 21:59 Otak wrote:
I think it's ridiculous that they are even making anything of the fact he was a "troll" They should have just said that it was due to harrassment of family members of the girl over the internet. I think it sets a very dangerous precedent to send someone to jail over something they said over the internet.
However, he is a prick and deserves some kind of punishment. Jail isn't exactly going to help him though is it.
The banning of using social networks would've been punishment enough, maybe the 5 years isn't sufficient, then you could go, "Well, if you use social networks, then we CAN jail you" <--- That would make sense and be reasonable. At the same time counseling and maybe further assistance with his Aspergers. What actually happened is a joke and makes the mother look bad if anything.
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On September 14 2011 21:51 Deleuze wrote:
This is utterly shocking, this is one sonuva bitch.
I wouldn't call him a troll though, I mean this in all seriousness, I think that's an insult to trolls.
Cyber bullying and harassment online is something totally different to being a troll.
Calling him a troll undermines exactly what it is he has done, a troll is some moron on a forum, not criminal bully/stalker harassing someone.
I think it's just the British media capitalising on a term that has just recently surfaced in to main stream dialogue.
RIP to the kids he mocked and wishes to the families and friends he harassed, there's no place for his behaviour in society and it is right that he has been excluded from participating in social media because he has proven how utterly unready he is to use it responsibly.
Although he does look like something I'd find under a bridge.
No, that'd be ignorant of you. This is originally what trolling was before all the kids came along and it turned into stupid shit like "This is my first game. LOLOL TROLLLED LOL TROLLED SO HARD LOL." or making up stupid ass stories and adding Bel Air or some retarded bullshit like Rickrolling. That's not trolling, it's stupid. Does anyone even get mad at that shit?
Trolling used to get on the news. Now it's gay.
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On September 14 2011 20:38 HereticSaint wrote:
Completely stupid and pointless case and a waste of money for everyone involved.
This is the equivalent to prosecuting a random 14 year old girl for illegally downloading music, sure it stirs up some press and may make it into the paper but in the end it deters absolutely no one from doing said action because in the end they aren't going to go after everyone doing it and you are just as likely to win the lottery as you are to get prosecuted for it.
As for the family and parents? They need to toughen up, I've had people comment about family members of mine that are dead probably thousands of times, you don't see me sitting in a courtroom every time that happens, even the especially bad times.
I don't know if your analogy works that well. There are probably tens of millions of people who download music, which individually doesn't do much damage, but collectively does a lot...but compare that to the number of people who attack those who have died in a public way, I think the numbers are very small in the latter case, and they do significant damage individually, making them more worthwhile for the courts to deal with.
Secondly, if this does qualify as some sort of hate speech, then people have a right to defend themselves and take others to court because of it; its irrelevant whether a lot of people do it or not. I think its only the United States that still defends hate speech under their constitution...but other than that there is apparently "international consensus" that hate speech should be prohibited by law.
That leads into your next point...telling people to "toughen up". I think you should consider that hate speech and verbal abuse in general can be psychologically traumatizing to certain people, and obviously the most vulnerable would be grieving parents. Mental/emotional pain can leave more long lasting damage than a simple physical attack can.
And in this case I think the ruling was an appropriate one...18 weeks is proportional to the pain that was caused, and really sets an example that that sort of thing shouldn't be accepted in society.
You seem pretty wound up about it 
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On September 14 2011 21:53 ElPeque.fogata wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2011 21:36 arbitrageur wrote:On September 14 2011 21:33 ElPeque.fogata wrote:
he is an asshole.
but what the fuck. just close his account and be done with it.
jail? wtf Your solution is not well thought out. The guy can make another account, or go to an internet cafe and do it there. So be it, close the new account. as it happens with hackers on battle.net. And go to privacy settings and dissalow him from contacting you or whatever. Ignore him, then it is not fun anymore and he moves on. There are so many trolls because trolled people are usually pretty retarded dealing with it. Jail for insulting? You take freedom away from being verbaly offensive? Oh yeah, we are much more human than him. Verbal offense is a very fuzzy area. Will you include making fun of religion? God damnit we live in a fascist world. There is the left, the right, but in the end we are all fascists.
In all fairness, he didn't challenge the laws, or the right of the state to prosecute him. He pleaded guilty.
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He was harassing the family, this has absolutely nothing to do with free speech. Absolute free speech is absurd anyway.
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Ok, that's just fucked up :/
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Warms my heart.
This goes under "harassment", in which there are laws against. So don't go around saying "you should be allowed to say whatever you want", "jail is too much for trolling" etc.
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