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Worldzlol
United States43 Posts
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hypnoxide
240 Posts
On September 14 2011 22:05 Thorakh wrote: He was harassing the family, this has absolutely nothing to do with free speech. Absolute free speech is absurd anyway. I agree man. How dare people be allowed to voice their thoughts and opinions no matter how many people agree or disagree with them? Lets take it to the next logical step and ban talking all together, it'd prevent anyone from getting offended and we wouldn't have to argue over what is protected by pesky free speech. | ||
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Thorakh
Netherlands1788 Posts
On September 14 2011 22:07 hypnoxide wrote: What part about it being harassment do you not get? So according to you I can come to your house, stand just outside the front yard and yell "YOUR MOM IS A SLUT AND YOUR DEAD BROTHER IS RETARDED" all day long? Free speech bro.I agree man. How dare people be allowed to voice their thoughts and opinions no matter how many people agree or disagree with them? Lets take it to the next logical step and ban talking all together, it'd prevent anyone from getting offended and we wouldn't have to argue over what is protected by pesky free speech. | ||
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RPR_Tempest
Australia7798 Posts
On September 14 2011 22:10 Thorakh wrote: What part about it being harassment do you not get? So according to you I can come to your house, stand just outside the front yard and yell "YOUR MOM IS A SLUT AND YOUR DEAD BROTHER IS RETARDED" all day long? Free speech bro. *thumbs up* You sure can! | ||
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hypnoxide
240 Posts
On September 14 2011 22:10 Thorakh wrote: What part about it being harassment do you not get? So according to you I can come to your house, stand just outside the front yard and yell "YOUR MOM IS A SLUT AND YOUR DEAD BROTHER IS RETARDED" all day long? Free speech bro. Sure if you want, I don't care. You'd be the moron standing outside my house shouting stupid shit, not me. Why would I care if you make a fool of yourself? | ||
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DDKz
Australia188 Posts
On September 14 2011 22:10 Thorakh wrote: What part about it being harassment do you not get? So according to you I can come to your house, stand just outside the front yard and yell "YOUR MOM IS A SLUT AND YOUR DEAD BROTHER IS RETARDED" all day long? Free speech bro. That's not free speech, that's verbal harassment and trespassing, how can you compare your scenario to writing shit on the internet in a Facebook group.. | ||
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Integra
Sweden5626 Posts
On September 14 2011 21:44 HereticSaint wrote: Oh dear, I wasn't aware we had an expert on Aspergers, would you care to take a minute to explain how it isn't relevant to this case at all? Also, you called the guy a wanker, you should go to jail! Aspergers is as of this year being taken off the autistic spectrum scale(http://summit-education.com/ce-news/aspergers-to-be-removed-from-dsm/)) since the only real problem for this group of people is that they have problem with body language and speech. Since these are the only real problems, and they can 99% of the cases be trained to more fit the norm, for the group of people that suffers from Aspergers they saw no reason to keep it as an autistic disorder. Some people who are perfectly "normal" do bad shit all the time. People with aspergers are no different. Some are just assholes, regardless of their mental state. | ||
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radscorpion9
Canada2252 Posts
haha...it depends on the situation and the type of speech. Do none of you guys ever consider that there are some types of hate speech that causes serious mental/emotional damage, that could lead to psychological disorders? Especially for vulnerable people like those grieving for their dead family members? You people are aware that some teenagers commit suicide because of bullying? Calling someone a slut, or a retard, is *slightly* different from the other types of debilitating hate speech out there. Which is why there needs to be a bar set, with a high limit as another wise user said on this thread. | ||
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hypnoxide
240 Posts
On September 14 2011 22:14 radscorpion9 wrote: haha...it depends on the situation and the type of speech. Do none of you guys ever consider that there is some types of hate speech that causes serious mental/emotional damage No, sorry, I really don't. Let's take some personal responsibility, the world is full of assholes. If you think you'll get upset by some assholes, do your best to avoid them. Words only have power over you if you let them. | ||
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
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Cel.erity
United States4890 Posts
On September 14 2011 22:14 Integra wrote: Aspergers is as of this year being taken off the autistic spectrum scale(http://summit-education.com/ce-news/aspergers-to-be-removed-from-dsm/)) since the only real problem for this group of people is that they have problem with body language and speech. Since these are the only real problems, and they can 99% of the cases be trained to more fit the norm, for the group of people that suffers from Aspergers they saw no reason to keep it as an autistic disorder. Some people who are perfectly "normal" do bad shit all the time. People with aspergers are no different. Some are just assholes, regardless of their mental state. Just because Asperger is not considered a syndrome of Autism does not make it any less valid. It does not fit with autism by proper definition, and I've agreed with this for years, but it is still a very real problem, and eventually it will probably get its own entry into the DSM. It is biological in nature and therefore is not something the individual can control. | ||
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Cel.erity
United States4890 Posts
On September 14 2011 22:14 radscorpion9 wrote: haha...it depends on the situation and the type of speech. Do none of you guys ever consider that there are some types of hate speech that causes serious mental/emotional damage, that could lead to psychological disorders? You mean like...the kind of hate speech that caused the girl to kill herself in the first place? I wonder what happened to the guy who spewed that hate speech. Oh wait, nothing. Because the government wasn't willing to spend the money to track down the individuals responsible, so they just punished the most convenient guy available to them. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
We all know you guys love freedom and most of you guys are more liberal than everyone else. However Insulting IS a crime in some places. I don't know what it's like in the us but reading this makes me think it isn't so I'm going to quote german law for example (cause I'm from ger). I know it did not happen in germany but I'm guessing we're not the only ones who got something like this in europe. First one is the german one, the second one is my rough translation: + Show Spoiler + § 185 Beleidigung Die Beleidigung wird mit Freiheitsstrafe bis zu einem Jahr oder mit Geldstrafe und, wenn die Beleidigung mittels einer Tätlichkeit begangen wird, mit Freiheitsstrafe bis zu zwei Jahren oder mit Geldstrafe bestraft. + Show Spoiler + § 185 Insultin The act of Insulting is punished with (by?) prison sentence by up to one year or a fine. If this is happening as/with and act of violence it is punished with prison sentence by up to two years or a fine So I don't see a problem here. It's not exactly common that those things get sued, dealt with or whatever you want to call it but I think it's perfectly fine. Basicly: If you're insulting for the purpose of insulting it's not ok and I think the freedom of speech should end there. However, you obviously won't get sued if you call someone a bitch and even if it would happen, probably nothing would happen or you'd have to pay a fine. Never actually heard of someone going to jail for that kind of stuff. | ||
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ElPeque.fogata
Uruguay462 Posts
On September 14 2011 22:03 Chargelot wrote: In all fairness, he didn't challenge the laws, or the right of the state to prosecute him. He pleaded guilty. If he didn't, it would have been just worse for him. Yet, so what? He probably knows unless he is just too crazy he is "guilty" of being an absolute asshole. The question is wether it makes any sense sending somebody to jail just for being an asshole and making someone else feel bad. If i cheat on my girlfriend and then leave her for her best friend and tell her i couldn't stand being with a girl with such a fat ass, and so then she commits suicide because of it, should i be sent to jail? There is no doubt i would be an absolute asshole and caused a huge ammount of pain, but should i be sent to jail? | ||
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hypnoxide
240 Posts
On September 14 2011 22:24 Toadesstern wrote: take into consideration that this did not happen in the us guys... We all know you guys love freedom and most of you guys are more liberal than everyone else. However Insulting IS a crime in some places. I don't know what it's like in the us but reading this makes me think it isn't so I'm going to quote german law for example (cause I'm from ger). I know it did not happen in germany but I'm guessing we're not the only ones who got something like this in europe. First one is the german one, the second one is my rough translation: + Show Spoiler + § 185 Beleidigung Die Beleidigung wird mit Freiheitsstrafe bis zu einem Jahr oder mit Geldstrafe und, wenn die Beleidigung mittels einer Tätlichkeit begangen wird, mit Freiheitsstrafe bis zu zwei Jahren oder mit Geldstrafe bestraft. + Show Spoiler + § 185 Insultin The act of Insulting is punished with (by?) prison sentence by up to one year or a fine. If this is happening as/with and act of violence it is punished with prison sentence by up to two years or a fine So I don't see a problem here. It's not exactly common that those things get sued, dealt with or whatever you want to call it but I think it's perfectly fine. Basicly: If you're insulting for the purpose of insulting it's not ok. However, you obviously won't get sued if you call someone a bitch and even if it would happen, probably nothing would happen or you'd have to pay a fine. Never actually heard of someone going to jail for that kind of stuff. That's ridiculous. How do you define being insulted? Why does the law not apply if you are called a bitch? What if I'm insulted by that law and it's infringement on my right to free speech? I hope the German translation is a lot more specific or it's a rather empty law that's open to exploitation. The baller above me from Uruguay wrote: If he didn't, it would have been just worse for him. Yet, so what? He probably knows unless he is just too crazy he is "guilty" of being an absolute asshole. The question is wether it makes any sense sending somebody to jail just for being an asshole and making someone else feel bad. If i cheat on my girlfriend and then leave her for her best friend and tell her i couldn't stand being with a girl with such a fat ass, and so then she commits suicide because of it, should i be sent to jail? There is no doubt i would be an absolute asshole and caused a huge ammount of pain, but should i be sent to jail? I agree 100%. | ||
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Deleuze
United Kingdom2102 Posts
On September 14 2011 22:02 hypnoxide wrote: No, that'd be ignorant of you. This is originally what trolling was before all the kids came along and it turned into stupid shit like "This is my first game. LOLOL TROLLLED LOL TROLLED SO HARD LOL." or making up stupid ass stories and adding Bel Air or some retarded bullshit like Rickrolling. That's not trolling, it's stupid. Does anyone even get mad at that shit? Trolling used to get on the news. Now it's gay. I was under the impression that the term troll originated from usenet (?) where the l33t members of the community would 'troll for noobs' by raising topics that have been discussed repetively to catch out who was new to the forum? Anyone like to correct me? Two questions to you hypnoxide: 1) When was trolling on the news before? Source please, I'd genuinely like to know. 2) What/who is gay? | ||
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yandere991
Australia394 Posts
On September 14 2011 22:24 ElPeque.fogata wrote: If he didn't, it would have been just worse for him. Yet, so what? He probably knows unless he is just too crazy he is "guilty" of being an absolute asshole. The question is wether it makes any sense sending somebody to jail just for being an asshole and making someone else feel bad. If i cheat on my girlfriend and then leave her for her best friend and tell her i couldn't stand being with a girl with such a fat ass, and so then she commits suicide because of it, should i be sent to jail? There is no doubt i would be an absolute asshole and caused a huge ammount of pain, but should i be sent to jail? If you made a website full of image macros solely dedicated to her "fat ass" and then the court judged that the sole intent of the website was to harrass then you probably could. | ||
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Fir3fly
Australia251 Posts
dont even get me started. all he needed was a banned from the facebook page.then it would've stoped and that would be it. and at any rate, what sort of mother makes a shitty facebook page in memoriam? thats more fucked up than what he did imo. this is honestly nothing but "hurr durr cyber bullies" if you guys think this is bad, you should've read some of the old archives of ED. (before it turned shithouse) some kid killed himself cause he lost his ipod = a bunch of people "hacked" into his myspace and made him the golden ipod award infront of all his friends and family. (its also where the phrase "an hero" came from) this is fucking pathetic and more proof of how the older people do not know about the younger technologies. we're literally in a fucked up time right now. and im going to end before i start up on freedom of speech. + Show Spoiler + hurr durr cant say how i feel cause i might hurt some retard's feelings :c :c :c :c | ||
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Cain0
United Kingdom608 Posts
Also, 4 months isn't enough for what he did, I think it should be more like a year. | ||
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MandoRelease
France374 Posts
Has there been any statement by the guy regarding this ? | ||
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