EPTWith that said it was pretty stupid of the mother to make a facebook group about it.
Facebook troll jailed - Page 4
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xBillehx
United States1289 Posts
With that said it was pretty stupid of the mother to make a facebook group about it. | ||
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Phyrigian
New Zealand1332 Posts
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Timestreamer
Israel157 Posts
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yandere991
Australia394 Posts
On September 14 2011 21:00 Phyrigian wrote: it's not right to do something like that, but to be jailed for it? seriously? I can only reemphasize freedom of speech, because its ridiculous in the "free" countries we live in today he can still be jailed for expressing his freedom of speech, which he should have a right to. he wasn't exactly mentally stable, and hadn't had a good upbringing it seems. he has autism for crying outloud, and not to use that as an excuse for why he did it, but that may be more of a reason combined with his obviously dysfunctional upbringing/lifestyle it seems it was a sad outcome for both parties. If you wrote a message (email, letter, who knows) to a person who just lost a daughter on Mother's day that "it feels hot in hell" or "I can't get out of my coffin, I have scratched my nails to the bone" it would probably fall more on the harassment side rather than just distasteful trolling. Also he has Aspergers, not classical autism. | ||
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Archontas
United States319 Posts
And before anyone opens their mouth to say "you don't know how it feels" - I was a student at Virginia Tech during the April 16th shootings here and there was (and still is) a whole range of insensitivity out there to something that cut deep into me as a person. I know how it feels. It fucking sucks. And the more public your tragedy, the more jackasses will chase that spotlight to get eyes on themselves. But there are always going to be people out there who are going to do hurtful stuff far beyond what can be labeled as "just a joke", and the best thing to do is dismiss it and move on. I really think things like this will just attract more assholes to the next tragedy (brighter spotlight, remember), and the only difference will be some extra steps to conceal their identity. Edit: For clarification, I'm totally side-stepping the legal and moral issues here - we can debate endlessly about what situations are analogous, where lines should be drawn, what is an infringement of freedom of speech, what is part of already-existing laws against harassment, etc. My stance is entirely about the practical side of things - people are going to continue saying hurtful things to and about those who suffer a public tragedy, they are going to keep finding new ways of doing it, and in my opinion, giving them attention (even by prosecution) only feeds them what they want and makes it a bigger problem in the future. | ||
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couches
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Cel.erity
United States4890 Posts
Even if what he did is awful, I don't believe he should be jailed for it. Really good quote by a poster above me: "If victims would be judges, the human race would have ended in extinction already." 4 months in prison for typing words on a website, no matter how hateful the words, is complete bullshit. Forms of moderation on said website exist solely for this reason. Ban him from Facebook forever, but don't put him in prison. I don't care how much of an asshole he is, he does not deserve this. People troll my stream all the time, throw all sorts of personal attacks at me, so what? My child didn't just kill herself, but why should that matter to the word of the law? If I called the police and said people were harassing me, they would laugh and maybe charge ME with wasting their time. Trolls are trolls, ignore them and move on, unless it is persistent or unavoidable. | ||
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Deekin[
Serbia1713 Posts
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Phyrigian
New Zealand1332 Posts
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hypnoxide
240 Posts
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Doomwish
438 Posts
On September 14 2011 21:05 Phyrigian wrote: Mocking the other sides opinions over the discussion isn't much better, in all honesty. It's just as flameful for some people. . Wasn't that bad. Disagreeing with someones opinion and pointing out their motivation for sticking up for this guy/ having the perspective they do doesn't even come close to the kind of sick abuse this guy has committed towards someone in a vulnerable position. What this guy did was indefensible , it's about time consequences are put in place for people such as this. He deserves his punishment. Also I don't know if its a coincidence but this guys picture is like the exact mental image I had of an average internet troll. | ||
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Manimal_pro
Romania991 Posts
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BadgerBadger8264
Netherlands409 Posts
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Cel.erity
United States4890 Posts
On September 14 2011 21:15 Phyrigian wrote: Apologies on the autism/aspergers part but the point still stands that I'm trying to make, although that does make me sound ignorant and I will apologise for that ^^. I do acknowledge that it is harrassment, and I will admit I don't know much about the law and when it crosses the line on a legal sense, but I still don't think or understand why he deserves to get jailed when it doesn't seem from my knowledge that he crossed the line. It's petty that he's doing something like that, but it's also petty the punishment he deserves for doing something so.. petty. If we didn't have freedom of speech in place and we had laws and were regulated for things like this yes, I could understand but it's hard just to use this in the modern day world we live in as a reason to jail him. Let's face it, the only reason he was jailed is the sentimental circumstances surrounding what happened to this woman's daughter. If, for example, this guy was sending his ex-girlfriend hundreds of harassing/threatening texts and e-mails, what would happen? The police would tell the girl to get a restraining order, block him on phone/email, and be done with it. Would he go to jail? Hell no, unless he persisted after the restraining order. And on top of that, he has a mental disorder which causes him to act like an ass. I think this is a real double standard and a disgrace to the justice system. | ||
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Mecker
Sweden219 Posts
On September 14 2011 21:13 Deekin[ wrote: I hope he dies in jail. Comments like these are worse than what he did in my opinion. To be fair most of them are made in the spur of the moment but I wouldn't be surprised that many would still hold the view if we asked them again after a few weeks. | ||
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Phyrigian
New Zealand1332 Posts
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Doomwish
438 Posts
On September 14 2011 21:17 hypnoxide wrote: Don't understand why this is jailable. So pointless. Pointless? I have to disagree. A large part of crime and punishment is for the example set to others as a possible consequence. You commit a crime and get caught, you go to jail. Making the perpetrator chose if he/she actually wants to take the risk of dealing with the punishment. It's not just about rehabilitation for the criminal and justice for the victim, it actually prevents people from crossing that line. | ||
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Mecker
Sweden219 Posts
On September 14 2011 21:24 Doomwish wrote: Pointless? I have to disagree. A large part of crime and punishment is for the example set to others as a possible consequence. You commit a crime and get caught, you go to jail. Making the perpetrator chose if he/she actually wants to take the risk of dealing with the punishment. The point is that this really isn't a crime by modern standards. | ||
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gruff
Sweden2276 Posts
On September 14 2011 21:25 Mecker wrote: The point is that this really isn't a crime by modern standards. Do you think it should be? | ||
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Doomwish
438 Posts
On September 14 2011 21:25 Mecker wrote: The point is that this really isn't a crime by modern standards. Well apparently authorities in this case disagree with your standards. As do I. | ||
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