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On September 14 2011 20:51 Supamang wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2011 20:43 HereticSaint wrote:On September 14 2011 20:42 Supamang wrote:On September 14 2011 20:38 HereticSaint wrote:Completely stupid and pointless case and a waste of money for everyone involved. This is the equivalent to prosecuting a random 14 year old girl for illegally downloading music, sure it stirs up some press and may make it into the paper but in the end it deters absolutely no one from doing said action because in the end they aren't going to go after everyone doing it and you are just as likely to win the lottery as you are to get prosecuted for it. As for the family and parents? They need to toughen up, I've had people comment about family members of mine that are dead probably thousands of times, you don't see me sitting in a courtroom every time that happens, even the especially bad times. On September 14 2011 20:37 syno wrote:On September 14 2011 20:32 Sea_Food wrote:On September 14 2011 20:29 syno wrote:
And if u were her mother, would u just ban him?
Wouldnt u prefer to see him in jail
If victims would be judges, the human race would have ended in extinction already. Yes. But just try to think like the mother/parents. Wouldnt you try everything to see this idiot paying for what he's done? Who cares what the mother wants, that has absolutely no relevance. I want a million dollars, I want idiots to die, I want to know how to pilot an F-16. What the hell is your point? Really? You can drop the tough guy act. No one cares what you go through or how bad ass you think you are for toughing it out. This is also the first time Ive ever seen someone compare a 14 year old stealing music to someone harassing the families of dead children And no one gives a shit how tough you are. Congratulations on completely overlooking everything I said because you are a big enough moron to think I'm acting like a hardass when I'm not. lol i never tried to act like a hardass, why did you tell me that no one gives a shit how tough i am? youre the one coming in here being all confrontational and spouting random shit about people making fun of your dead family members. you posted twice in a row about people making fun of your dead family members. i dont see how you feel that this is a common occurrence on the internet unless you go around advertising how you have dead family members online
You realize that the people in question who got, "trolled" advertised online that their family members were dead, does that all of a sudden make what the troll did okay? What?
Also, it isn't random at all, it's completely relevant to the topic at hand. You're the one who quoted me and immediately became confrontational including saying, "I don't really give a shit how you feel or that your family members are dead." I think if anything you are closer to that internet troll than me. Just saying.
On September 14 2011 20:54 Phyrigian wrote:
It's not appropriate at all, and I do think he went too far, but I don't see exactly why he should be jailed over it. Freedom of speech still exists; even if it is used inappropriately. I don't know how he can be jailed over using his freedom of speech in a "free world".
True freedom of speech died a long, long time ago. It's been a long time since you could say whatever you want in America at least.
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On September 14 2011 20:41 RPR_Tempest wrote:
Someone made fun of someone else over the internet. What a shocking tragedy.
He went to jail for that? That's fucking ridiculous.
Someone made fun of someone on the internet? Did you read what the guy did? He wasn't exactly trolling about SC2 imbalance whine or something.
I think it's great that they're showing you can't do whatever the fuck you want on the internet.
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So this guy must have had less going on than anyone else in the world to be that bored to create such content... what a loser...
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Such a fat little prick. Happy he got what he deserved.
Hopefully, this would give him an enormous challenge in his later life.
Coming from someone that have experienced something align.
I hope he'll suffer a miserable life.
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On September 14 2011 20:54 Phyrigian wrote:
It's not appropriate at all, and I do think he went too far, but I don't see exactly why he should be jailed over it. Freedom of speech still exists; even if it is used inappropriately. I don't know how he can be jailed over using his freedom of speech in a "free world".
I'm against this guy being jailed, but uh...freedom of speech doesn't mean you aren't accountable for your words. If you went up to a cop and said "FUCK YOU FAGGOT GO KILL YOURSELF HEY HEY I *insert lots and lots of inappropriate stuff here*" you would be in trouble. You can't say "CAN'T DO ANYTHING, IT'S FREEDOM OF SPEECH!"
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On September 14 2011 20:51 HereticSaint wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2011 20:46 Supamang wrote:On September 14 2011 20:41 HereticSaint wrote:On September 14 2011 20:39 Supamang wrote:On September 14 2011 20:32 Sea_Food wrote:On September 14 2011 20:29 syno wrote:
And if u were her mother, would u just ban him?
Wouldnt u prefer to see him in jail
If victims would be judges, the human race would have ended in extinction already. Thats quite a strong assertion, considering victims were judges back in the days when there wasnt society A lot of people will cry out in protest to this because of the arbitrary idea of "internet privacy", but what this guy did was far and beyond normal trolling. He was straight up harassing the victims and thats very punishable No, what he was doing happens on the internet every day. Death threats, mocking the death of family members, etc. Every day. In fact I bet if I actively played SC2 and WoW for the next 10 days I would get one of those two per day at bare minimum. Thats called internet rage. It happens once or twice, but you dont hear from the guy ever again after 10 minutes. This guy repeatedly tried to contact the families with malicious intent. No, I have on more than one occasion been trolled consistently by people telling me I should die, commit suicide, made fun of dead family members for several weeks for beating them in Arenas in World of Warcraft. Yes, weeks, yes ignored them and they made new characters to continue to do this for hours and hours on end. Want to know the difference? You ban a Facebook account or whatever it at least takes 10-15 mins to make a new one with a new email and what have you, creating a new character in WoW takes about 5 seconds. Now just so you don't misunderstand, I don't really care if you give a shit how I feel. The point is it happens, a lot.
So if you had the option of getting the people harassing you to stop harassing you, youre saying you wouldnt do it? Youre saying that you should just ignore it and tough it out?
You seem to think that people reacting to harassment is a sign of weakness. Sure, depending on the situation. Others will look at you and see your unwillingness to stand up for your own well being as a sign of weakness.
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On September 14 2011 20:51 HereticSaint wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2011 20:46 Supamang wrote:On September 14 2011 20:41 HereticSaint wrote:On September 14 2011 20:39 Supamang wrote:On September 14 2011 20:32 Sea_Food wrote:On September 14 2011 20:29 syno wrote:
And if u were her mother, would u just ban him?
Wouldnt u prefer to see him in jail
If victims would be judges, the human race would have ended in extinction already. Thats quite a strong assertion, considering victims were judges back in the days when there wasnt society A lot of people will cry out in protest to this because of the arbitrary idea of "internet privacy", but what this guy did was far and beyond normal trolling. He was straight up harassing the victims and thats very punishable No, what he was doing happens on the internet every day. Death threats, mocking the death of family members, etc. Every day. In fact I bet if I actively played SC2 and WoW for the next 10 days I would get one of those two per day at bare minimum. Thats called internet rage. It happens once or twice, but you dont hear from the guy ever again after 10 minutes. This guy repeatedly tried to contact the families with malicious intent. No, I have on more than one occasion been trolled consistently by people telling me I should die, commit suicide, made fun of dead family members for several weeks for beating them in Arenas in World of Warcraft. Yes, weeks, yes ignored them and they made new characters to continue to do this for hours and hours on end. Want to know the difference? You ban a Facebook account or whatever it at least takes 10-15 mins to make a new one with a new email and what have you, creating a new character in WoW takes about 5 seconds. Now just so you don't misunderstand, I don't really care if you give a shit how I feel. The point is it happens, a lot. Show nested quote +On September 14 2011 20:49 gruff wrote:On September 14 2011 20:41 HereticSaint wrote:On September 14 2011 20:39 Supamang wrote:On September 14 2011 20:32 Sea_Food wrote:On September 14 2011 20:29 syno wrote:
And if u were her mother, would u just ban him?
Wouldnt u prefer to see him in jail
If victims would be judges, the human race would have ended in extinction already. Thats quite a strong assertion, considering victims were judges back in the days when there wasnt society A lot of people will cry out in protest to this because of the arbitrary idea of "internet privacy", but what this guy did was far and beyond normal trolling. He was straight up harassing the victims and thats very punishable No, what he was doing happens on the internet every day. Death threats, mocking the death of family members, etc. Every day. In fact I bet if I actively played SC2 and WoW for the next 10 days I would get one of those two per day at bare minimum. Saying "it happens a lot" is a poor argument. There is a lot of obvious illegal things that happens a lot, it doesn't mean it shouldn't be illegal. I'm not saying it's right or wrong to convict him but I just hate people saying this over and over again, especially when it comes to online issues. I feel we should base our laws on what we deem as right or wrong, not what the police have resources to enforce. My point is, making an example of someone doesn't help on today's World. People generally know, either it's a big enough deal that things will consistently be done about it or it isn't. In this case it falls under the latter description, not because it's entirely unimportant necessarily, but because there are a thousand other, more important issues that aren't even fully under control.
I just don't think it should matter if it happens a lot or if there are more important issues. If it's wrong (in the legal sense) it's wrong and people should expect to be accountable for it. What the law enforcement agencies have the resources for is a side matter.
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On September 14 2011 20:55 Holgerius wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2011 20:41 RPR_Tempest wrote:
Someone made fun of someone else over the internet. What a shocking tragedy.
He went to jail for that? That's fucking ridiculous. Someone made fun of someone on the internet? Did you read what the guy did? He wasn't exactly trolling about SC2 imbalance whine or something. I think it's great that they're showing you can't do whatever the fuck you want on the internet.
Yeah, it's not that bad...that's nothing, certainly nothing he should be jailed for. There's a LOT of worse stuff that could have been said, that would have been crossing the line. But the line was not crossed.
EDIT: Don't get me wrong, it was still a dick move.
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Where did free speech went?
All the mother had to do was remove him from friends or block him.
There is no doubt he is a weirdo, but if he doesn't threaten to kill someone or hurt someone then I don't see how any kind of speech is against the law !
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The saddest part about all of this is that the mother created a fucking facebook group for her daughter, I just don't understand shit like this. You daughter kills herself and she thinks its appropriate to jump on Facebook and create a group so people will "Like" it.. stupid shit.
Anyway imo the troll didn't deserve what he got, it's the internet, man up or fuck off tbh, of course he should be banned from Facebook but seriously jail-time, a cash fine and having to alert the police if he buys a phone with the internet? Lol.
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On September 14 2011 20:58 gruff wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2011 20:51 HereticSaint wrote:On September 14 2011 20:46 Supamang wrote:On September 14 2011 20:41 HereticSaint wrote:On September 14 2011 20:39 Supamang wrote:On September 14 2011 20:32 Sea_Food wrote:On September 14 2011 20:29 syno wrote:
And if u were her mother, would u just ban him?
Wouldnt u prefer to see him in jail
If victims would be judges, the human race would have ended in extinction already. Thats quite a strong assertion, considering victims were judges back in the days when there wasnt society A lot of people will cry out in protest to this because of the arbitrary idea of "internet privacy", but what this guy did was far and beyond normal trolling. He was straight up harassing the victims and thats very punishable No, what he was doing happens on the internet every day. Death threats, mocking the death of family members, etc. Every day. In fact I bet if I actively played SC2 and WoW for the next 10 days I would get one of those two per day at bare minimum. Thats called internet rage. It happens once or twice, but you dont hear from the guy ever again after 10 minutes. This guy repeatedly tried to contact the families with malicious intent. No, I have on more than one occasion been trolled consistently by people telling me I should die, commit suicide, made fun of dead family members for several weeks for beating them in Arenas in World of Warcraft. Yes, weeks, yes ignored them and they made new characters to continue to do this for hours and hours on end. Want to know the difference? You ban a Facebook account or whatever it at least takes 10-15 mins to make a new one with a new email and what have you, creating a new character in WoW takes about 5 seconds. Now just so you don't misunderstand, I don't really care if you give a shit how I feel. The point is it happens, a lot. On September 14 2011 20:49 gruff wrote:On September 14 2011 20:41 HereticSaint wrote:On September 14 2011 20:39 Supamang wrote:On September 14 2011 20:32 Sea_Food wrote:On September 14 2011 20:29 syno wrote:
And if u were her mother, would u just ban him?
Wouldnt u prefer to see him in jail
If victims would be judges, the human race would have ended in extinction already. Thats quite a strong assertion, considering victims were judges back in the days when there wasnt society A lot of people will cry out in protest to this because of the arbitrary idea of "internet privacy", but what this guy did was far and beyond normal trolling. He was straight up harassing the victims and thats very punishable No, what he was doing happens on the internet every day. Death threats, mocking the death of family members, etc. Every day. In fact I bet if I actively played SC2 and WoW for the next 10 days I would get one of those two per day at bare minimum. Saying "it happens a lot" is a poor argument. There is a lot of obvious illegal things that happens a lot, it doesn't mean it shouldn't be illegal. I'm not saying it's right or wrong to convict him but I just hate people saying this over and over again, especially when it comes to online issues. I feel we should base our laws on what we deem as right or wrong, not what the police have resources to enforce. My point is, making an example of someone doesn't help on today's World. People generally know, either it's a big enough deal that things will consistently be done about it or it isn't. In this case it falls under the latter description, not because it's entirely unimportant necessarily, but because there are a thousand other, more important issues that aren't even fully under control. I just don't think it should matter if it happens a lot or if there are more important issues. If it's wrong (in the legal sense) it's wrong and people should expect to be accountable for it. What the law enforcement agencies have the resources for is a side matter.
The law enforcement agencies obviously don't have the money to go after everyone who has done this in the past or who is going to do this in the future, there are also places where the money used for things such as this could be better spent. Furthermore, if they were going to choose someone to make an example of they could have gone after someone that didn't have a social disorder such as Aspergers.
On September 14 2011 20:57 Supamang wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2011 20:51 HereticSaint wrote:On September 14 2011 20:46 Supamang wrote:On September 14 2011 20:41 HereticSaint wrote:On September 14 2011 20:39 Supamang wrote:On September 14 2011 20:32 Sea_Food wrote:On September 14 2011 20:29 syno wrote:
And if u were her mother, would u just ban him?
Wouldnt u prefer to see him in jail
If victims would be judges, the human race would have ended in extinction already. Thats quite a strong assertion, considering victims were judges back in the days when there wasnt society A lot of people will cry out in protest to this because of the arbitrary idea of "internet privacy", but what this guy did was far and beyond normal trolling. He was straight up harassing the victims and thats very punishable No, what he was doing happens on the internet every day. Death threats, mocking the death of family members, etc. Every day. In fact I bet if I actively played SC2 and WoW for the next 10 days I would get one of those two per day at bare minimum. Thats called internet rage. It happens once or twice, but you dont hear from the guy ever again after 10 minutes. This guy repeatedly tried to contact the families with malicious intent. No, I have on more than one occasion been trolled consistently by people telling me I should die, commit suicide, made fun of dead family members for several weeks for beating them in Arenas in World of Warcraft. Yes, weeks, yes ignored them and they made new characters to continue to do this for hours and hours on end. Want to know the difference? You ban a Facebook account or whatever it at least takes 10-15 mins to make a new one with a new email and what have you, creating a new character in WoW takes about 5 seconds. Now just so you don't misunderstand, I don't really care if you give a shit how I feel. The point is it happens, a lot. So if you had the option of getting the people harassing you to stop harassing you, youre saying you wouldnt do it? Youre saying that you should just ignore it and tough it out? You seem to think that people reacting to harassment is a sign of weakness. Sure, depending on the situation. Others will look at you and see your unwillingness to stand up for your own well being as a sign of weakness.
I would probably stop them from doing it, if I could. But I wouldn't punish them with jail time (or if I did it would be a spur of the moment emotional reaction, which isn't how you intelligently judge such things off of) and I certainly wouldn't do so to someone with Aspergers, that isn't helping him at all.
It's not necessarily weak to react to these situations, but if you start caring a lot every time this happens, well, you are the one who is losing in the end. Pity the person doing it to you, laugh at them, but if you feel incredibly offended every time it happens you are kind of screwed if you intend to continue to use the internet. (Not speaking of if that's how it should be, but the point is you can't prosecute and jail everyone who does this.)
Also, I'm inclined to agree with DDkz to a degree.
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On September 14 2011 20:58 RPR_Tempest wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2011 20:55 Holgerius wrote:On September 14 2011 20:41 RPR_Tempest wrote:
Someone made fun of someone else over the internet. What a shocking tragedy.
He went to jail for that? That's fucking ridiculous. Someone made fun of someone on the internet? Did you read what the guy did? He wasn't exactly trolling about SC2 imbalance whine or something. I think it's great that they're showing you can't do whatever the fuck you want on the internet. Yeah, it's not that bad...that's nothing, certainly nothing he should be jailed for. There's a LOT of worse stuff that could have been said, that would have been crossing the line. But the line was not crossed. EDIT: Don't get me wrong, it was still a dick move.
Apparently the line was crossed in the eyes of the law.
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On September 14 2011 20:58 DDKz wrote:
The saddest part about all of this is that the mother created a fucking facebook group for her daughter, I just don't understand shit like this. You daughter kills herself and she thinks its appropriate to jump on Facebook and create a group so people will "Like" it.. stupid shit.
So true.
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On September 14 2011 21:01 syno wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2011 20:58 DDKz wrote:
The saddest part about all of this is that the mother created a fucking facebook group for her daughter, I just don't understand shit like this. You daughter kills herself and she thinks its appropriate to jump on Facebook and create a group so people will "Like" it.. stupid shit.
So true.
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Even though what he did is quite disgusting i don't really see why he should get jail time. I mean it's kinda subjective what people find hurting.
Muslims was hurt by the Muhammad pictures yet that was called freedom of speech by the news papers
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I find the defensive stance taken by some of posters in this thread quite hilarious.
UNITE TROLLS!! We must stand up for our right to spread spite and malicious intent over the internet!
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so sad. amazing how people get high off of stuff like that. He should of bought a copy of sc2 . that would of kept him busy
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He should be punished for what he did, no question asked.
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