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xM(Z
Profile Joined November 2006
Romania5299 Posts
February 04 2017 11:53 GMT
#11661
Iran fancied building a canal since '68 or so; russian sources put it at ~10bill$[image loading] http://orientalreview.org/2016/04/11/a-caspian-canal-not-so-fast/
And my fury stands ready. I bring all your plans to nought. My bleak heart beats steady. 'Tis you whom I have sought.
Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28916 Posts
February 04 2017 14:30 GMT
#11662
On February 04 2017 20:40 Ghostcom wrote:
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On February 04 2017 09:38 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote:
On February 04 2017 09:33 Blisse wrote:
On February 04 2017 09:19 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote:
read facebook and saw something I thought was incredibly dumb but thought I'd ask.

how much would turning the US Mexico border into a canal cost? Plus isn't there like a mountain in the way or something? someone actually apparently thought this was possible. I'm just wondering how feasible something like this actually would be.



Price of Panama canal around $15 billion
Length of Panama canal around 75km
Length of US-Mexico border around 3200km

15*(3200/75)=640

so like $640 billion?

Not sure how calculations would change if you were just building a ditch. Plus accounting for elevation changes, Panama canal's pretty close to sea level. Plus all the other reasons it'd be a silly idea.


yeah plus the Panama canal is freaking huge to get all the ships through and they apparently wanted it as a revenue source so an actual functioning canal. I've actually been to the Panama Canal before so I guess I was right that people have no idea what their talking about


Slightly related: Wasn't it Wales that once (mediaeval times) tried to dig itself away from England?


I'm not sure what this refers to but I do find it interesting.

If you're talking about Offa's dyke it seems way more likely that it was constructed from the English side, as protection from welsh invaders.
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oGoZenob
Profile Joined December 2011
France1503 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-02-04 18:08:18
February 04 2017 18:03 GMT
#11663
On February 04 2017 20:53 xM(Z wrote:
Iran fancied building a canal since '68 or so; russian sources put it at ~10bill$[image loading] http://orientalreview.org/2016/04/11/a-caspian-canal-not-so-fast/

Iran is a country made of high mountain peaks and plateaus, routinely over 3000m in elevation. I wouldnt say digging a canal there is pure fantasy, but then they'll probably have to put their whole GDP into it for decades. 10 billions is a veeeery low estimate for a canal. It's pretty much what the panama canal costs, and it's a 75km canal on a very flat land. Iran's one is 15 times longer on a ridiculously difficult terrain
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JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
February 04 2017 19:13 GMT
#11664
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xM(Z
Profile Joined November 2006
Romania5299 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-02-04 19:31:30
February 04 2017 19:31 GMT
#11665
10Bil$ figure was from ~2014; stop looking at the monetary value only from a westerner's perspective. those dudes can probably get inmates to dig the canal for free.
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Thieving Magpie
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States6752 Posts
February 04 2017 20:11 GMT
#11666
So this is russian estimates of an iran project first thought of 4 decades ago?
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Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany12060 Posts
February 04 2017 20:42 GMT
#11667
I think the main point is that it is very expensive to dig a canal. A lot more expensive even than to build a silly wall. And that makes a lot of sense, too. Because if you dig the canal out, you could also just dump the earth next to the spot you dug it from, and basically have a wall.

Of course, it depends on how big you want the ships that are able to pass through to be.
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
February 04 2017 21:10 GMT
#11668
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Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany12060 Posts
February 04 2017 22:59 GMT
#11669
Well, you could. It would just look pretty silly and start to smell rather bad.
OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
February 05 2017 08:50 GMT
#11670
On February 05 2017 05:42 Simberto wrote:
I think the main point is that it is very expensive to dig a canal. A lot more expensive even than to build a silly wall. And that makes a lot of sense, too. Because if you dig the canal out, you could also just dump the earth next to the spot you dug it from, and basically have a wall.

Of course, it depends on how big you want the ships that are able to pass through to be.

A canal is also much more efficient than a wall at doing border wall things, though
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Cascade
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
Australia5405 Posts
February 05 2017 14:17 GMT
#11671
On February 05 2017 17:50 OtherWorld wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 05 2017 05:42 Simberto wrote:
I think the main point is that it is very expensive to dig a canal. A lot more expensive even than to build a silly wall. And that makes a lot of sense, too. Because if you dig the canal out, you could also just dump the earth next to the spot you dug it from, and basically have a wall.

Of course, it depends on how big you want the ships that are able to pass through to be.

A canal is also much more efficient than a wall at doing border wall things, though

The natural question at this point is of course: how would you cross a channel used as border wall?
Yurie
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
12178 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-02-05 17:29:24
February 05 2017 17:24 GMT
#11672
On February 05 2017 23:17 Cascade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 05 2017 17:50 OtherWorld wrote:
On February 05 2017 05:42 Simberto wrote:
I think the main point is that it is very expensive to dig a canal. A lot more expensive even than to build a silly wall. And that makes a lot of sense, too. Because if you dig the canal out, you could also just dump the earth next to the spot you dug it from, and basically have a wall.

Of course, it depends on how big you want the ships that are able to pass through to be.

A canal is also much more efficient than a wall at doing border wall things, though

The natural question at this point is of course: how would you cross a channel used as border wall?


With a boat? There will be very long stretches without any locks where there is normally water. If the water is far below the ground level you might have problems and it would be easier to just stretch a few ropes across and walk over them as a temporary bridge. You only have a problem if you actually guard it as a border.

If water level is close to ground level you could just swim over. It won't be very wide since it would be expensive to dig out. The problem being getting up on the other side. If you have a contact with a rope that part is solved.

I am assuming it is more like a U than a V for this. Since a V takes a lot of water when raising water level. If it is a V, just swim over and walk away.
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
February 05 2017 17:49 GMT
#11673
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thePunGun
Profile Blog Joined January 2016
598 Posts
February 05 2017 21:23 GMT
#11674
Hi, it's been a while, sorry didn't read any of the above but I've got a quick one with a semi long intro..
Ok, so I've never really understood the appeal of the whole Harry Potter hype - grade schoolers on brooms holding wands yelling "alakazahm" just seemed silly to me ( btw. wasn't that a Shaq movie in the 90s - alakazahm??)
Unfortunately, my girlfriend is a Harry Potter nut and for more than a decade she's tried everything to get me to read or watch anything Harry Potter related (not on a daily basis, but whenever the topic comes up).
So here's my quiestion:
Are there any good reasons to read/ binge watch H.P. other than just making her happy?
I mean in my head I've got this image, that it's gonna be like whole week with her in the "candles and drapes" section at Ikea. (*I know that section doesn't actually exist, they're just the 2 most boring things, I could think of)
"You cannot teach a man anything, you can only help him find it within himself."
Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany12060 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-02-05 21:45:55
February 05 2017 21:42 GMT
#11675
You shouldn't just disregard something completely without even trying it.

Granted, i think a lot of the Harry Potter appeal is that people have grown up with it and wish fullfillment while being young, but it is also a generally quite interesting world.

So i would say just try it with an open mind. If you go into it with the idea of "I am going to read this to make my girlfriend happy", you are not going to have a good time. No matter what "this" specifically is in this situation.

I also think that "x seems silly, so i don't want it" is usually something that people who take themselves too serious and to whom being taken serious is way too important say. Something being silly does not disqualify it from being fun.
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18870 Posts
February 05 2017 21:55 GMT
#11676
I'm one of the snobbiest book critics I know, and I'll be honest, I think Harry Potter is good soft fiction. Rowling is a pretty formulaic writer, but at the same time, she is quite a capable world-builder and there is an overarching sense that she has placed each character into her world with deliberate care. Sure, it doesn't stand up to hard scrutiny all that well, but that's not really the point with young adult fiction like HP. At the very least, it's an easy read (even in multiple languages, I'm told) and should pass fairly quickly
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OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
February 05 2017 21:57 GMT
#11677
On February 06 2017 06:42 Simberto wrote:
You shouldn't just disregard something completely without even trying it.

Granted, i think a lot of the Harry Potter appeal is that people have grown up with it and wish fullfillment while being young, but it is also a generally quite interesting world.

So i would say just try it with an open mind. If you go into it with the idea of "I am going to read this to make my girlfriend happy", you are not going to have a good time. No matter what "this" specifically is in this situation.

I also think that "x seems silly, so i don't want it" is usually something that people who take themselves too serious and to whom being taken serious is way too important say. Something being silly does not disqualify it from being fun.

Yeah, pretty much this. Also, you might find interest in approaching it with a "scientific" mind : its huge success didn't come from nowhere, there are reasons explaining that success. If you're not interested in the universe per se, you might try to use your reading/watching to try to find and analyze these reasons.
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Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28916 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-02-05 22:09:38
February 05 2017 22:09 GMT
#11678
watch the movies with her if she's such a huge fan. It's nice to have understanding of the interests of your significant other, and it only takes like, one weekend of hanging out together. You can make her make you dinner as a thank you, and then you buy a bottle of wine, and it'll probably be quite fun. And they're not terrible movies.

like, reading the books is a commitment, that takes time. but the movies don't.
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Yurie
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
12178 Posts
February 05 2017 22:49 GMT
#11679
http://www.hpmor.com/

Is a great Harry Potter Fanfiction/alternate take. I would suggest it to your girlfriend if she hasn't read it yet.
thePunGun
Profile Blog Joined January 2016
598 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-02-05 23:11:06
February 05 2017 23:08 GMT
#11680
Thanks guys, you're probably right.
I think I'll get the audio book of the 1st one(it's free on audible), that way I can drop some book knowledge bombs and keep a poker face (incase the cringe gets turned up to eleven), when we watch the movie.
that people who take themselves too serious
I think that's the main issue here. I've been DM'ing since the mid 90s and compared to the vast world of D&D for example the Potter universe seems a little small and immature.
"You cannot teach a man anything, you can only help him find it within himself."
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