EPTBehavioural Modification Camps in the USA - Page 10
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ampson
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Randomaccount#77123
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Olinim
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On May 29 2011 14:58 Barrin wrote: I don't see how it's impossible that there were factors/experiences after you were born that lead you to becoming gay. Maybe it's not like this for everyone, but I can guarantee you it is like that for some people. Well maybe there were some factors that caused you to become straight, perhaps you need some treatment. What factors do you suggest would completely shift a person's sexuality? | ||
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Randomaccount#77123
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RifleCow
Canada637 Posts
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johanngrunt
Hong Kong1555 Posts
This is the 2nd story this week of parents being shitty to their kids on TL. For shame, for shame. | ||
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Olinim
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On May 29 2011 15:09 Barrin wrote: Excuse me but I never suggested that a gay person needs treatment, not sure why you're suggesting that I need treatment. The answer to your question is simple: horrible and/or psychologically damaging heterosexual activities can lead someone to not enjoy heterosexual activities which leads to homosexual activities as a way to release tension. It doesn't even need to be like that either. Maybe you've just always had bad experiences with almost every person of the opposite sex. It can also be a cultural thing or something learned from siblings, etc. It can also simply be all you ever knew (If you look at my last post on the last page you can see that we don't really have an instinctive aversion to it, and you will also see that liking it doesn't necessarily make you only homosexual, you might just be bi which is actually reasonably normal). Any combination of these things will do really. I'm sure there are more. Bullshit. Show me an actual scientific study that shows that being raped causes you to become gay. Why would homosexual activity relieve stress from a traumatic sexual experience just because it was heterosexual? And having bad experiences with someone of the opposite sex has nothing to do with their sexuality, I could absolutely hate a chick but still want to have sex with her. You don't learn sexuality from a sibling seriously that is freaking absurd. These are all absurd reasons trying to make it sound like its a symptom, a result of some trauma or something and it's not. | ||
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Ropid
Germany3557 Posts
On May 29 2011 14:03 Bunnypanda wrote: That you can even say that this is not the fault of religion is beyond me. These people are not even considered "nutjobs", these are just strictly religious people that believe their doctrine so badly that they are willing to put their children through hell if that hell offers them a way to not be gay. The sheer amount of kids that end up in these camps should tell you as much, they all have parents that think this is the way to go to cure "the gay". Are they all extreme nutjobs or are they just gullible people that believe in a religion that tells them not to like it? Mormons accept gay people now? No. Christianity thinks homosexuality is moral now? No. When these tidbits of hate change, only then will religion not be the problem. The fact is that the big underlying issue here is Religion. You can slice it all you want and blame the individual, but they are just sheep in a big mess of religious culture. I think you are confusing religion and culture. For example, socialists and communists once needed to fear for their life, which has nothing to do with the Bible, I guess. The Nazis had that idea of some pure race of blond, blue-eyed super-men, and were incarcerating and killing homosexual men, and the Nazis were also dreaming of eventually eradicating Christianity and replacing it with a religion of their own design. The USSR was promoting atheism as Christianity was seen as the root of all evil in the world or something like that, but at the same time, laws were introduced making homosexuality punishable. In my opinion, it is probably reversed: the culture of a society defines what is deemed anti-social and that changes religion. Nowadays, the Catholic Church has no problem with the theory of evolution, for example, because there is no way to argue against science. With the Bible being vague and open to interpretation, Christianity changes to not go against the consensus in questions like women's rights, divorce, abortion, etc. (some Churches faster than others). I have the gut feeling, battling against religion is probably harmful for changing society in such a way, that stuff like the story from the OP would not be possible anymore. This just pisses people off. You also do not want to only convince Mormons, to not send their children into those camps, but atheists, too. I could see some non-religious parents being at their wits end, thinking what they could do to change their delinquent kid, and being led to believe that the brain-washing in those weird camps works 100 % and the future for their kid will turn out to be a better, happier life. | ||
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Randomaccount#77123
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Olinim
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On May 29 2011 15:18 Barrin wrote: I agree. Don't really need scientific studies when I have common sense, and, oh, I don't know, the "gay people" telling me from their own mouths? Many people already know that these are factors for some people to turn gay. Notice how I said "some people"; if I did not outright say it, then I at least implied multiple times that this does not include every gay person's reason for turning gay. You seem to act like I'm trying to explain why all gay people are gay, when I am really just explaining why some gay people are gay. I like how you blatantly ignore this part Are you trolling or are you just upset? I understand either way, but either way maybe it's time for you to take a break for a bit. (actually on that note time to play some games; i might come back to this thread tmrw). Why would I believe you even talk to a gay person when you already admitted your discomforted by their very presence? "not include every gay person's reason for turning gay." This is what I'm talking about, they didn't have a reason to TURN GAY, they simply are. You admitted your own ignorance and bias on the subject in your very first post. | ||
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oBlade
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valheru
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SweetAs
New Zealand290 Posts
Lol such a terrible place User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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HaXxorIzed
Australia8434 Posts
The doubly sickening thing of course is that there are families who set this in motion. Many of those families are doubtless attracted by the notion of the camps as an inciting way to 'fix' their children. Seems like a sad, sad trap, one designed to suck the gullible and the vulnerable in. | ||
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dOofuS
United States342 Posts
On May 28 2011 06:59 tdynasty wrote: Let's not be fooled here. Religion is not the problem. But rather the extremist "Evangelical/Morman" Point of view. I have seen many just insanely shocking things from these kinds of people. That's why this is actually believable. I hope when referencing extremist 'mormons' you aren't including the general LDS church membership. One of the unfortunate realities of being tagged with the 'mormon' nickname is that it associates members of the Latter-Day Saint church (like myself) with those who still practice polygamy, and commit serious crimes in the name of God. | ||
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schmeebs
United States115 Posts
Yes mormons no longer practice polygamy, but thats not the only thing in the history of the LDS church that is damning. Ezra Taft Benson scandal, Cain doctrines, and other such things | ||
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N3rV[Green]
United States1935 Posts
I lived in Utah (moab to be precise) for many many years, and I can say from personal experience that the Mormon world is a rather scary one filled with wonderful little things like an upstanding Mormon man in the community killing his wife, telling the police, and having the police not do any investigations. This kind of manipulation happens frequently and it's rather disgusting. Just the absurd notion that having more material wealth puts you into a better position in heaven is enough to show that LDS are bat shit insane Honestly the only word that describes them is a cult. more ontopic though, the biggest thing here is that it's 100% voluntary. That scares me more than anything. A parent would willing put their child though this....just sickening. | ||
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Gingerninja
United Kingdom1339 Posts
On May 28 2011 14:36 Bosko wrote: Made me laugh. They don't give psychiatric meds to people who aren't broken. Actually they do, that's another big problem this day and age. Any kid has an issue with anything, the doctor says they must have ADD ADHD or something, and prescribes them a shit load of drugs which does nothing to solve the root of the problem.. such as I don't know... shitty parenting? All these kid's zoned out on "meds" when they don't need them at all, they cause as many problems as they solve. | ||
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dOofuS
United States342 Posts
On May 29 2011 17:29 N3rV[Green] wrote: being morman means you believe a fairy tale told via a picture book. I lived in Utah (moab to be precise) for many many years, and I can say from personal experience that the Mormon world is a rather scary one filled with wonderful little things like an upstanding Mormon man in the community killing his wife, telling the police, and having the police not do any investigations. This kind of manipulation happens frequently and it's rather disgusting. Just the absurd notion that having more material wealth puts you into a better position in heaven is enough to show that LDS are bat shit insane Honestly the only word that describes them is a cult. more ontopic though, the biggest thing here is that it's 100% voluntary. That scares me more than anything. A parent would willing put their child though this....just sickening. Bigoted, IMO. | ||
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Manit0u
Poland17613 Posts
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