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"Warlocks are enemies of God! Had it been in the Old Testament, Harry Potter would have been put to death!"
Stupid lady. They would have burned him alive, and he would have simply put a Flame-Freezing charm on the fire.
Seriously though, that video makes me so sad.
People keep blaming Religion, but it seems that nobody understands that people are just fucking stupid. It doesn't matter if there is religion or not. There will always be pepole with stupid fucking beliefs and will act on them, just as the religious fenatics do.
I think it's unfair to blame religion when most religions can really be boiled down to 'Love God, be a good person.' Sure, you may think the 'Love God' part is stupid, but why do you care? As long as they aren't forcing it down your throat...
As for the OP, it's just as bad. I would have faught hard. They would have to drag me there unconciously, and I'd like to think I'd take at least one of them down with me.
As soon as I got out I'd tell my mother what I think of her, gather up my shit, and never talk to her again for sending me to such a place.
Seriously, telling her that she fucking deserved to be raped? That she asked for it? Fuck you, lady. I hope she realized what a terrible thing she did, and I hope it fucking scars her for life.
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These "re-education" camps are not that uncommon in the US, particularly in the south. They've been around for a while; I'm pretty sure you can even google some videos that people have taken on some of their sessions.
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Wow... I never thought this kind of facility really exist. What is more disturbing, though, is the fact that such crazy parents actually exist.
About the religion thing. It's just the effect religion has on stupid people. If religions didn't exist, something else would have a similar effect on them. They're just stupid people.
People are really so strange..... sigh...
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These facilities really seem to be aiming to become mass murderer factories. The whole story reads like the background for a vigilante superhero.
I sincerely hope that all these criminals, including the coward thugs that kidnapp children in the middle of the night, are properly judged and imprisoned. Before any of their old "pupils" can get to them.
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On May 29 2011 17:29 N3rV[Green] wrote:
Just the absurd notion that having more material wealth puts you into a better position in heaven is enough to show that LDS are bat shit insane
Honestly the only word that describes them is a cult.
Not an LDS belief.
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...My country is in such empathetic shambles.
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Whoa on the video, even for a biblical country where st.Paul resided(so my christian friends tend to believe) it's not this extreme. I'm speechless
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Yea, I can totally see some of the kids coming out from the camp becoming serial killers one day going back and killing off all their captors.
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This video is nothing. You should watch the entire documentary (it shows their fundraising, leaders, etc.).
People are sheep.
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On May 29 2011 15:18 Ropid wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2011 14:03 Bunnypanda wrote:On May 29 2011 13:42 ampson wrote:Well, that is honestly very sad. I wouldn't let myself be kidnapped without a pretty extreme fight though, I have a knife in my room somewhere.... But anyways, these kinds of camps ARE NOT legal and only exist because the terrible shit that they do is swept under the rug by the staff and the idiot parents who send their kids there. Anybody who has sent their kid to this terrible place for "behavioral modification" wouldn't admit their mistake or usually let their kids talk about it, and that is how they still exist. But now the place is being slapped with a shitton of lawsuits, so it won't exist for long. On May 28 2011 05:50 DisneylandSC wrote:
Religion at its finest. Absolutely disgusting. The blame does not lie with religion, the blame lies with people who can not stand the idea of homosexuality and then use religion to justify their bigotry. I honestly doubt these people adhere at all to the book of mormon, or the 10 commandments for that matter. And I am sure that true Mormons, whose #1 value is FAMILY, would never let this happen to their children. On May 28 2011 05:23 SiPa wrote:America fuck yeah! Thank god this isnt happening in Germany nor Swizerland  Messed up shit happens all over the world man, Germany and Switzerland aren't paradises of tolerance. The best any country's government can do is get rid of these things as they come, and the US is doing that. That you can even say that this is not the fault of religion is beyond me. These people are not even considered "nutjobs", these are just strictly religious people that believe their doctrine so badly that they are willing to put their children through hell if that hell offers them a way to not be gay. The sheer amount of kids that end up in these camps should tell you as much, they all have parents that think this is the way to go to cure "the gay". Are they all extreme nutjobs or are they just gullible people that believe in a religion that tells them not to like it? Mormons accept gay people now? No. Christianity thinks homosexuality is moral now? No. When these tidbits of hate change, only then will religion not be the problem. The fact is that the big underlying issue here is Religion. You can slice it all you want and blame the individual, but they are just sheep in a big mess of religious culture. I think you are confusing religion and culture. For example, socialists and communists once needed to fear for their life, which has nothing to do with the Bible, I guess. The Nazis had that idea of some pure race of blond, blue-eyed super-men, and were incarcerating and killing homosexual men, and the Nazis were also dreaming of eventually eradicating Christianity and replacing it with a religion of their own design. The USSR was promoting atheism as Christianity was seen as the root of all evil in the world or something like that, but at the same time, laws were introduced making homosexuality punishable. In my opinion, it is probably reversed: the culture of a society defines what is deemed anti-social and that changes religion. Nowadays, the Catholic Church has no problem with the theory of evolution, for example, because there is no way to argue against science. With the Bible being vague and open to interpretation, Christianity changes to not go against the consensus in questions like women's rights, divorce, abortion, etc. (some Churches faster than others). I have the gut feeling, battling against religion is probably harmful for changing society in such a way, that stuff like the story from the OP would not be possible anymore. This just pisses people off. You also do not want to only convince Mormons, to not send their children into those camps, but atheists, too. I could see some non-religious parents being at their wits end, thinking what they could do to change their delinquent kid, and being led to believe that the brain-washing in those weird camps works 100 % and the future for their kid will turn out to be a better, happier life.
I think this is actually a really good point. Let's face it, the Bible says practically nothing about homosexuality whatsoever. It is not a significant part of it. And in fact it says nothing at all about lesbianism (and really there's no reason to believe that gender can be swapped like that in the Bible, especially considering it's about sex).
Yet people destroy families, abuse children, and hate each other because of their interpretation of like two lines in the minor parts of the bible. Don't blame religion, blame people. Christianity is only anti-gay if the Christian wants it to be.
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On May 29 2011 22:47 Witten wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2011 17:29 N3rV[Green] wrote:
Just the absurd notion that having more material wealth puts you into a better position in heaven is enough to show that LDS are bat shit insane
Honestly the only word that describes them is a cult.
Not an LDS belief.
I guess I am at the back of the pack then.
Never heard this, and it amazes me that people with so little knowledge of the church act like what they say is fact.
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On May 29 2011 23:52 DoubleReed wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2011 15:18 Ropid wrote:On May 29 2011 14:03 Bunnypanda wrote:On May 29 2011 13:42 ampson wrote:Well, that is honestly very sad. I wouldn't let myself be kidnapped without a pretty extreme fight though, I have a knife in my room somewhere.... But anyways, these kinds of camps ARE NOT legal and only exist because the terrible shit that they do is swept under the rug by the staff and the idiot parents who send their kids there. Anybody who has sent their kid to this terrible place for "behavioral modification" wouldn't admit their mistake or usually let their kids talk about it, and that is how they still exist. But now the place is being slapped with a shitton of lawsuits, so it won't exist for long. On May 28 2011 05:50 DisneylandSC wrote:
Religion at its finest. Absolutely disgusting. The blame does not lie with religion, the blame lies with people who can not stand the idea of homosexuality and then use religion to justify their bigotry. I honestly doubt these people adhere at all to the book of mormon, or the 10 commandments for that matter. And I am sure that true Mormons, whose #1 value is FAMILY, would never let this happen to their children. On May 28 2011 05:23 SiPa wrote:America fuck yeah! Thank god this isnt happening in Germany nor Swizerland Messed up shit happens all over the world man, Germany and Switzerland aren't paradises of tolerance. The best any country's government can do is get rid of these things as they come, and the US is doing that. That you can even say that this is not the fault of religion is beyond me. These people are not even considered "nutjobs", these are just strictly religious people that believe their doctrine so badly that they are willing to put their children through hell if that hell offers them a way to not be gay. The sheer amount of kids that end up in these camps should tell you as much, they all have parents that think this is the way to go to cure "the gay". Are they all extreme nutjobs or are they just gullible people that believe in a religion that tells them not to like it? Mormons accept gay people now? No. Christianity thinks homosexuality is moral now? No. When these tidbits of hate change, only then will religion not be the problem. The fact is that the big underlying issue here is Religion. You can slice it all you want and blame the individual, but they are just sheep in a big mess of religious culture. I think you are confusing religion and culture. For example, socialists and communists once needed to fear for their life, which has nothing to do with the Bible, I guess. The Nazis had that idea of some pure race of blond, blue-eyed super-men, and were incarcerating and killing homosexual men, and the Nazis were also dreaming of eventually eradicating Christianity and replacing it with a religion of their own design. The USSR was promoting atheism as Christianity was seen as the root of all evil in the world or something like that, but at the same time, laws were introduced making homosexuality punishable. In my opinion, it is probably reversed: the culture of a society defines what is deemed anti-social and that changes religion. Nowadays, the Catholic Church has no problem with the theory of evolution, for example, because there is no way to argue against science. With the Bible being vague and open to interpretation, Christianity changes to not go against the consensus in questions like women's rights, divorce, abortion, etc. (some Churches faster than others). I have the gut feeling, battling against religion is probably harmful for changing society in such a way, that stuff like the story from the OP would not be possible anymore. This just pisses people off. You also do not want to only convince Mormons, to not send their children into those camps, but atheists, too. I could see some non-religious parents being at their wits end, thinking what they could do to change their delinquent kid, and being led to believe that the brain-washing in those weird camps works 100 % and the future for their kid will turn out to be a better, happier life. I think this is actually a really good point. Let's face it, the Bible says practically nothing about homosexuality whatsoever. It is not a significant part of it. And in fact it says nothing at all about lesbianism (and really there's no reason to believe that gender can be swapped like that in the Bible, especially considering it's about sex). Yet people destroy families, abuse children, and hate each other because of their interpretation of like two lines in the minor parts of the bible. Don't blame religion, blame people. Christianity is only anti-gay if the Christian wants it to be.
No, that's a blatant lie or just plain ignorance.
'If a man has sex with a man in same way as with a woman, they have committed an abomination. They are certainly to be put to death.'
While it is certainly true that most Christians deviate away from this, and certainly would not kill a homosexual, it merely is a testament to the fickleness of religion.
Leviticus 18:22 (New International Version)
22 “‘Do not have sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman; that is detestable.
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It's not really a question of religious vs. non-religious. There are defnitely non-religious parents who don't agree with the lifestyle of their kids. They either learn to live with it or they abandon their kid because they can't handle it. I think nobody can argue about that.
(Tho I'd say most intolerant parents are very conservative, and conservatives do have a religion most of the time.)
I think the most important difference is that die-hard religious people have some "irrational" fear (hell or something similiar) which makes them do horrible stuff BECAUSE they love their child. Because they want to protect it. Those parents are not terrible persons, but the fear makes them do stuff that that definitely is. Atheist parents most likely don't have such a fear.
Those camps should indeed be forbidden (they are illegal already?).
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On May 29 2011 23:36 Manit0u wrote:
This video is nothing. You should watch the entire documentary (it shows their fundraising, leaders, etc.).
People are sheep.
The entire documentary is nothing. Just join any Church with more than say 1,000 in their Sunday morning congregation. Generally the larger the Church, the more hardline approach they need to take towards issues such as homosexuality in order to keep any following (as when there is inconsistency the Church numbers break/separate into factions). It's a double-edged sword for them really, because they have to compromise freedom of thought with attendance (attendance = money).
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Well, looks like there is a good reason why most of these religious groups had to run away from Europe originally.
Still, this has more to do with people not using common sense and being sheep, religion is just the way it manifests. Kind of depressing when you think about it, we have probably the most freedom in the history of humankind ever, yet people are afraid to live a life they want. They'd rather bend over to someone else's standards. Extending that to people you can control (kids) is pathetic and should be illegal. There's all this talk about protecting children before they are born, yet you can fuck up your kid's life way more after it is born, really.
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Didn't read it all, but got the general idea. Taking someone by force like that is fascism.
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I think it's kind of funny that the camps are run by mormon beliefs. Arn't they OK with.. what's it called. multimarriage? Where one man marries several women. Doesn't that in the long run mean that the women are also married to eachother, making them gay?
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90% of these controversial threads can be summed up with one word: America.
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On May 30 2011 00:17 Olinim wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2011 23:52 DoubleReed wrote:On May 29 2011 15:18 Ropid wrote:On May 29 2011 14:03 Bunnypanda wrote:On May 29 2011 13:42 ampson wrote:Well, that is honestly very sad. I wouldn't let myself be kidnapped without a pretty extreme fight though, I have a knife in my room somewhere.... But anyways, these kinds of camps ARE NOT legal and only exist because the terrible shit that they do is swept under the rug by the staff and the idiot parents who send their kids there. Anybody who has sent their kid to this terrible place for "behavioral modification" wouldn't admit their mistake or usually let their kids talk about it, and that is how they still exist. But now the place is being slapped with a shitton of lawsuits, so it won't exist for long. On May 28 2011 05:50 DisneylandSC wrote:
Religion at its finest. Absolutely disgusting. The blame does not lie with religion, the blame lies with people who can not stand the idea of homosexuality and then use religion to justify their bigotry. I honestly doubt these people adhere at all to the book of mormon, or the 10 commandments for that matter. And I am sure that true Mormons, whose #1 value is FAMILY, would never let this happen to their children. On May 28 2011 05:23 SiPa wrote:America fuck yeah! Thank god this isnt happening in Germany nor Swizerland Messed up shit happens all over the world man, Germany and Switzerland aren't paradises of tolerance. The best any country's government can do is get rid of these things as they come, and the US is doing that. That you can even say that this is not the fault of religion is beyond me. These people are not even considered "nutjobs", these are just strictly religious people that believe their doctrine so badly that they are willing to put their children through hell if that hell offers them a way to not be gay. The sheer amount of kids that end up in these camps should tell you as much, they all have parents that think this is the way to go to cure "the gay". Are they all extreme nutjobs or are they just gullible people that believe in a religion that tells them not to like it? Mormons accept gay people now? No. Christianity thinks homosexuality is moral now? No. When these tidbits of hate change, only then will religion not be the problem. The fact is that the big underlying issue here is Religion. You can slice it all you want and blame the individual, but they are just sheep in a big mess of religious culture. I think you are confusing religion and culture. For example, socialists and communists once needed to fear for their life, which has nothing to do with the Bible, I guess. The Nazis had that idea of some pure race of blond, blue-eyed super-men, and were incarcerating and killing homosexual men, and the Nazis were also dreaming of eventually eradicating Christianity and replacing it with a religion of their own design. The USSR was promoting atheism as Christianity was seen as the root of all evil in the world or something like that, but at the same time, laws were introduced making homosexuality punishable. In my opinion, it is probably reversed: the culture of a society defines what is deemed anti-social and that changes religion. Nowadays, the Catholic Church has no problem with the theory of evolution, for example, because there is no way to argue against science. With the Bible being vague and open to interpretation, Christianity changes to not go against the consensus in questions like women's rights, divorce, abortion, etc. (some Churches faster than others). I have the gut feeling, battling against religion is probably harmful for changing society in such a way, that stuff like the story from the OP would not be possible anymore. This just pisses people off. You also do not want to only convince Mormons, to not send their children into those camps, but atheists, too. I could see some non-religious parents being at their wits end, thinking what they could do to change their delinquent kid, and being led to believe that the brain-washing in those weird camps works 100 % and the future for their kid will turn out to be a better, happier life. I think this is actually a really good point. Let's face it, the Bible says practically nothing about homosexuality whatsoever. It is not a significant part of it. And in fact it says nothing at all about lesbianism (and really there's no reason to believe that gender can be swapped like that in the Bible, especially considering it's about sex). Yet people destroy families, abuse children, and hate each other because of their interpretation of like two lines in the minor parts of the bible. Don't blame religion, blame people. Christianity is only anti-gay if the Christian wants it to be. No, that's a blatant lie or just plain ignorance. 'If a man has sex with a man in same way as with a woman, they have committed an abomination. They are certainly to be put to death.' While it is certainly true that most Christians deviate away from this, and certainly would not kill a homosexual, it merely is a testament to the fickleness of religion. Leviticus 18:22 (New International Version) 22 “‘Do not have sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman; that is detestable.
Blatant lie or plain ignorance? I said there were two minor lines in the bible about it and you show me two minor lines in the bible about it...
I notice you didn't put in the Leviticus verse about wearing two kinds of linen, or possibly all the rules about being kosher, or you know, the original hebrew which isn't using very strong english language...
We do not follow the rules of Leviticus blindly, and neither should Jews or Christians. And there's nothing to suggest that we should follow them blindly. In fact, it suggests the opposite.
Are there any other lines in the Bible even closely to relating to homosexuality? No? (Actually I think there are, but I think they're much more specific) Are there tons of lines about compassion and kindness and the heart of the cards? It also says in the Bible "Thou shall not murder" you know. The few lines in the Bible against homosexuality simply does not justify actions of this nature, at all.
Oh I would like to point out that my statement on Lesbianism still stands.
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