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Praetorial
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States4241 Posts
July 26 2012 01:32 GMT
#1441
I just had two realizations:

Talia, and every single person in the film but Two-Face, needs to learn how to wear a goddamn seatbelt.

And Batman was not shown 5 seconds before detonation still in the Bat. He was shown against a black background which could have been the bat, or an ejection vehicle similar to that of the Batcycle from The Dark Knight.

Seatbelts
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FireSA
Profile Joined March 2011
Australia555 Posts
July 26 2012 01:35 GMT
#1442
On July 26 2012 10:24 Praetorial wrote:
O.o...

I was nitpicking, didn't want analysis.

Edit: Watching it again, if Talia had just worn a seatbelt, she would've survived.


Road safety message for the next holiday season :O
biology]major
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2253 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-26 01:56:26
July 26 2012 01:37 GMT
#1443
I was so excited for this movie, but it let me down. I did not even clap at the end, because I had several reasons why it could have been much much better. This is the first time I have seen something so un-christopher nolan like, and it seems to me because of heath ledger's death; it threw them off track. The thing that irritated me the most were the characters. Anne Hathaway was absolutely amazing, her performance was spot on, however her character was extremely shallow. There should have been some sort of backstory to her, something more that can help us understand her better besides the "robinhood" aspect. Second, Bane started off very interesting. His opening scene was badass, however as the movie progresses his intentions become more and more unclear. Bane is supposed to be strong and brutal, but instead is portrayed as a character with wit and intelligence. Fine, I can accept that, but even then we are left unsure of WHY he wants to do things. What are the REAL reasons behind them? In the previous two movies, they were clear. Joker wanted fun, he wanted chaos, he wanted to prove that people were like him on the inside. Ra's al Ghul was about fear and justice, what is bane? I cannot figure it out, why does he want to inspire hope and then kill for no reason? He has shown that he is a somewhat compassionate character since he saves talia in the pit? Then last but not least Talia, she makes sense, after re-thinking about her actions her reasoning is sound and her motives were understandable. However, because her betrayal was so sudden, and her character is so weak it is not compelling. This is a recurring theme in this movie for me, weak characters. Saying she wanted to carry on her father's intentions was fine but it did not involve me( because we practically know nothing about her), and I was put off by it. I think it would have been better if Bane was better developed, but since both are so weak there is no where for me to look for positives.

After the characters, I had two more issues. I thought the climb up the pit could have been so fucking epic, but instead what we recieved was a single stare and jump. Then he just climbs out, wow I would have never expected that from christopher nolan... It could have been a slow and brutal climb, with the sun giving him hope and blinding him, the bats taunting him, and hans zimmer carrying the scene... so much potential gone right there. Then there is the ending of the movie, EVERYTHING in the movie leads up to his death. There are so many instances where it forshadows his death. He even tells Anne Hathaway, no auto-pilot, then somehow survives a 6 mile explosion. Michael Caine gives a great performance at his grave, and then boom all undone when we realize he is alive, felt trolled. Maybe DC comics did not allow such a drastic decision, but it did not feel right.

That is basically what I felt about the movie, it lacks a coherent plot, has weak characters and is lengthy. A lot of it feels to me like the joker had a big part in the third movie and that is basically what I believe was the reason for this let down. On top of this we have some very amazing cinematography and hans zimmer. Let me repeat the last part : Hans Zimmer, carried this movie.

Last nitpick is Bane's voice, especially when he was giving his speeches. I was almost laughing, it is Bane... supposed to be brutal and short, but what we got instead was Deckard Bane. 7/10
Question.?
Praetorial
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States4241 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-26 01:46:10
July 26 2012 01:39 GMT
#1444
On July 26 2012 10:35 FireSA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2012 10:24 Praetorial wrote:
O.o...

I was nitpicking, didn't want analysis.

Edit: Watching it again, if Talia had just worn a seatbelt, she would've survived.


Road safety message for the next holiday season :O


It could work!

Edit: Watching it again, Talia's death scene is shitty acting, her eyelashes and eyes are still moving after she "dies".

Edit 2: And o god, the extras fighting in the background during the final Batman/Bane fight are kinda funny to watch.
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OptimusYale
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Korea (South)1005 Posts
July 26 2012 01:47 GMT
#1445
People clap at the movie theatre? What is this madness?


The movie was great....slow but great. Bane wasn't as bad ass as I thought he could have been....but bad ass none the less. Loved the cameo's by older villans (mainly scarecrow....) but a great movie.

to the wall of text above, Banes motives were perfectly clear, he wanted to finish rhaz a ghuls work. After all he was part of the league, and he also wants to please natalia.

Natalia was a let down, but I generally got the idea from reading about the comics that she's a very bit part character, who shows up and disappears.
Durdenjr
Profile Joined September 2011
26 Posts
July 26 2012 02:15 GMT
#1446
I dont think bane works if hes trying to please natalia though, its kind of a big problem for me in the whole story. Hes a dark horrible villian, with a sweet spot for a girl. Ruined his motive for me. Perhaps it wouldve worked better if they introduced some part of it earlier (did they and i missed it?)

At one point did they say bane or talia left LoS? I cant remember anymore.

Also, if they just needed a nuke, why not black market?

League of shadows, they tend to stay in the shadows, yet theyre acting out a terrorist take over. Doesnt seem like their M.O.

Just felt the battle of ideals between batman and bane/talia were very weak compared to the other two movies.



cydial
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States750 Posts
July 26 2012 02:18 GMT
#1447
On July 26 2012 04:31 Ramanujan wrote:
The fat chick did some horrible acting in this movie and her character was presented like she had been in the previous movies but she hasn't, so the "reveal" that she's actually the BAD GUY doesn't really work.

Anne Hathaway managed to not look super ugly in this movie which is a first for her.

Bane was pretty cool. Probably on par with Joker, I'd say.

Too few scenes with Batman.

Too long buildup with boring stuff happening/being explained.

What was up with Alfred? Man up.

How did Talia's dagger pierce Batman's body armor? Close-range bullets can't even do that shit.

Why did Bane's boys feed the police in the tunnels? And why did they also, apparentely, give them razorblades and shaving cream?

7/10. Batman Begins is still the best superhero movie ever.





I'm sure you fuck movie stars much hotter than that. Congradulations.
Laneir
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1160 Posts
July 26 2012 02:21 GMT
#1448
im so pumped to watch this movie will be a good one made me go back and watch the first 2 haha
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Supamang
Profile Joined June 2010
United States2298 Posts
July 26 2012 02:30 GMT
#1449
On July 26 2012 10:37 biology]major wrote:
I was so excited for this movie, but it let me down. I did not even clap at the end, because I had several reasons why it could have been much much better. This is the first time I have seen something so un-christopher nolan like, and it seems to me because of heath ledger's death; it threw them off track. The thing that irritated me the most were the characters. Anne Hathaway was absolutely amazing, her performance was spot on, however her character was extremely shallow. There should have been some sort of backstory to her, something more that can help us understand her better besides the "robinhood" aspect. Second, Bane started off very interesting. His opening scene was badass, however as the movie progresses his intentions become more and more unclear. Bane is supposed to be strong and brutal, but instead is portrayed as a character with wit and intelligence. Fine, I can accept that, but even then we are left unsure of WHY he wants to do things. What are the REAL reasons behind them? In the previous two movies, they were clear. Joker wanted fun, he wanted chaos, he wanted to prove that people were like him on the inside. Ra's al Ghul was about fear and justice, what is bane? I cannot figure it out, why does he want to inspire hope and then kill for no reason? He has shown that he is a somewhat compassionate character since he saves talia in the pit? Then last but not least Talia, she makes sense, after re-thinking about her actions her reasoning is sound and her motives were understandable. However, because her betrayal was so sudden, and her character is so weak it is not compelling. This is a recurring theme in this movie for me, weak characters. Saying she wanted to carry on her father's intentions was fine but it did not involve me( because we practically know nothing about her), and I was put off by it. I think it would have been better if Bane was better developed, but since both are so weak there is no where for me to look for positives.

After the characters, I had two more issues. I thought the climb up the pit could have been so fucking epic, but instead what we recieved was a single stare and jump. Then he just climbs out, wow I would have never expected that from christopher nolan... It could have been a slow and brutal climb, with the sun giving him hope and blinding him, the bats taunting him, and hans zimmer carrying the scene... so much potential gone right there. Then there is the ending of the movie, EVERYTHING in the movie leads up to his death. There are so many instances where it forshadows his death. He even tells Anne Hathaway, no auto-pilot, then somehow survives a 6 mile explosion. Michael Caine gives a great performance at his grave, and then boom all undone when we realize he is alive, felt trolled. Maybe DC comics did not allow such a drastic decision, but it did not feel right.

That is basically what I felt about the movie, it lacks a coherent plot, has weak characters and is lengthy. A lot of it feels to me like the joker had a big part in the third movie and that is basically what I believe was the reason for this let down. On top of this we have some very amazing cinematography and hans zimmer. Let me repeat the last part : Hans Zimmer, carried this movie.

Last nitpick is Bane's voice, especially when he was giving his speeches. I was almost laughing, it is Bane... supposed to be brutal and short, but what we got instead was Deckard Bane. 7/10

Agreed with most of your opinions here except for the thing about how Bane is supposed to be some dimwitted brute. He was never supposed to be like that. He was supposed to be Bruce Wayne's intellectual equal but also physically superior ever since his creation in the comics. We see so many cliched "stupid buff guy" characters, I'm surprised that you would have preferred him to be that way.
TOloseGT
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States1145 Posts
July 26 2012 03:38 GMT
#1450
Damnit Supamang, where were you when Batman needed to get rid of the bomb?
Alay
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States660 Posts
July 26 2012 04:01 GMT
#1451
On July 26 2012 10:28 Parcelleus wrote:
But I still think Batman and Robin has been the closest to the Batman Universe


Really? Are you sure you're not just trolling?
Parcelleus
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia1662 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-26 07:54:19
July 26 2012 07:48 GMT
#1452
On July 26 2012 13:01 Alay wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2012 10:28 Parcelleus wrote:
But I still think Batman and Robin has been the closest to the Batman Universe


Really? Are you sure you're not just trolling?



Really, Uma Thurman as Poison Ivy , Mr Freeze was just brilliant. I love the story of Mr Freeze and how they explored it.

I know a whole generation of fans loved the 'dark' approach of Batman Begins and the DK, but personally I wasnt as wow'd.

I love how Batman And Robin was treated in fun way, not the serious 'dark batman begins' way.

I did think Robin and Batgirl (Alicia Silverstone) were weakly done, but apart from them , I love the movie, As I said, mainly for Mr Freeze and Poison Ivy. So fun !!!

FREEZE:
"Mercy? I'm afraid my condition has left me cold to your pleas of mercy."

"In this universe, there's only one absolute... everything freezes!"

"Let me guess, Plant Girl? Vine Lady? Huh? Hand over the diamond Garden Gal, or I'll turn you into mulch! "

"Allow me to break the ice. My name is Freeze. Learn it well. For it's the chilling sound of your doom." xD

"Cool Party !!! " muhahahahaha
*burp*
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16071 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-26 07:56:42
July 26 2012 07:56 GMT
#1453
On July 26 2012 16:48 Parcelleus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2012 13:01 Alay wrote:
On July 26 2012 10:28 Parcelleus wrote:
But I still think Batman and Robin has been the closest to the Batman Universe


Really? Are you sure you're not just trolling?



Really, Uma Thurman as Poison Ivy , Mr Freeze was just brilliant. I love the story of Mr Freeze and how they explored it.

I know a whole generation of fans loved the 'dark' approach of Batman Begins and the DK, but personally I wasnt as wow'd.

I love how Batman And Robin was treated in fun way, not the serious 'dark batman begins' way.

I did think Robin and Batgirl (Alicia Silverstone) were weakly done, but apart from them , I love the movie, As I said, mainly for Mr Freeze and Poison Ivy. So fun !!!

FREEZE:
"Mercy? I'm afraid my condition has left me cold to your pleas of mercy."

"In this universe, there's only one absolute... everything freezes!"

"Let me guess, Plant Girl? Vine Lady? Huh? Hand over the diamond Garden Gal, or I'll turn you into mulch! "

"Allow me to break the ice. My name is Freeze. Learn it well. For it's the chilling sound of your doom." xD

"Cool Party !!! " muhahahahaha


Close to the batman universe in that the movie plays like a comic book reads. That's a bad thing dude.

Comics are comics and movies are movies.

Batman and Robin was a TERRIBLE movie. Sure if you put that same cast and plot in a cartoon or comic book it's ok but that movie was never something that should have put in a movie theater shot with a live action cast.

Also.

George Clooney was by far the worst Batman there's ever been.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
Parcelleus
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia1662 Posts
July 26 2012 08:03 GMT
#1454
On July 26 2012 16:56 Vindicare605 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2012 16:48 Parcelleus wrote:
On July 26 2012 13:01 Alay wrote:
On July 26 2012 10:28 Parcelleus wrote:
But I still think Batman and Robin has been the closest to the Batman Universe


Really? Are you sure you're not just trolling?



Really, Uma Thurman as Poison Ivy , Mr Freeze was just brilliant. I love the story of Mr Freeze and how they explored it.

I know a whole generation of fans loved the 'dark' approach of Batman Begins and the DK, but personally I wasnt as wow'd.

I love how Batman And Robin was treated in fun way, not the serious 'dark batman begins' way.

I did think Robin and Batgirl (Alicia Silverstone) were weakly done, but apart from them , I love the movie, As I said, mainly for Mr Freeze and Poison Ivy. So fun !!!

FREEZE:
"Mercy? I'm afraid my condition has left me cold to your pleas of mercy."

"In this universe, there's only one absolute... everything freezes!"

"Let me guess, Plant Girl? Vine Lady? Huh? Hand over the diamond Garden Gal, or I'll turn you into mulch! "

"Allow me to break the ice. My name is Freeze. Learn it well. For it's the chilling sound of your doom." xD

"Cool Party !!! " muhahahahaha


Close to the batman universe in that the movie plays like a comic book reads. That's a bad thing dude.

Comics are comics and movies are movies.

Batman and Robin was a TERRIBLE movie. Sure if you put that same cast and plot in a cartoon or comic book it's ok but that movie was never something that should have put in a movie theater shot with a live action cast.

Also.

George Clooney was by far the worst Batman there's ever been.


A bad thing - to you - sure I can accept that.

WHo said comics are comics and movies are movies .. you ?

Just shows to me how ppl have different tastes, that is not something wrong or right - just different.

Batman And Robin is still the best Batman for my money. "Stay cool, Birdboy" xD
*burp*
Supamang
Profile Joined June 2010
United States2298 Posts
July 26 2012 08:12 GMT
#1455
On July 26 2012 12:38 TOloseGT wrote:
Damnit Supamang, where were you when Batman needed to get rid of the bomb?

Crip-tonite meng
Manimal_pro
Profile Joined June 2010
Romania991 Posts
July 26 2012 08:17 GMT
#1456
The movie was so good we even had americlaps in the cinema at the end.

I loved it
If you like brood war, please go play brood war and stop whining about SC2
BeHave
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany121 Posts
July 26 2012 08:20 GMT
#1457
Few points of crticism:

- Way to much light ( Batman in broad daylight looks like a joke )

- Some really obvious and stupid logical mistakes ( Yeah, lets send special forces in, but only 2 of them.. etc. Noone ever climbed out of thies prison.... all police men go in at the same time.... do push ups and your bones will regenerate....)

- the chick being the bad guy was very annoying, I feel if bane would have been pure evil as the joker it would have given a better feel to the charakter

- saw the movie in german (because of no other choice) and the syncro was horrible

- fighting sounds were ridicoulus, when batman punches bane it sounds like hitting an empty bucket or smth.

- why the happy end? It could have been nice and good dark knight, you will be forgotten but still super awesome hero, pun

- Robin....................




Overall I have to say, that i was really disappointed with the movie, but i guess the expectations were just to high to ever be fitted by a batman movie that is not the dark knight
zatic
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Zurich15328 Posts
July 26 2012 08:33 GMT
#1458
The end would have been so much better if in the second to last shot they just showed Alfred smiling and nodding, and then cut to Robin. I was sitting there saying to myself "please don't show Bruce please don't show Bruce' :-(

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Aerisky
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States12129 Posts
July 26 2012 08:39 GMT
#1459
Waaaaah just saw this movie.

Went into it with an open mind, positive expectations, and was prepared to err in favor of whatever direction they wanted to take with the movie. Was glad I did--left very very happy and satisfied

Perhaps C Nolan took this direction with the ending because he was getting too much mail after Inception about whether the top toppled lol -___- but overall....I think it tied up the story very well. I ignored or set aside the plot holes as I watched the movie and just enjoyed it all the way through. Well worth the time for me.

There were definitely some things I thought they could have done better (maybe the climb, Bane's death, etc). But minor issues like the seatbelts...well I'm pretty sure Talia still would have died with a seatbelt on. It was going probably 60 mph or something and she was stopped essentially by solid concrete. If anything, she should have died without a seatbelt and should have survived for as long as she did only with a seatbelt. But I don't really care.

Overall, I just thought it was a very enjoyable experience. Really liked it, and I hope to see it maybe a few more times to really gain an appreciation for all the little things thrown in. Some things were decidedly iffy, but overall WOW. I really liked it. 9/10 ^^
Jim while Johnny had had had had had had had; had had had had the better effect on the teacher.
Warlock40
Profile Joined September 2011
601 Posts
July 26 2012 08:42 GMT
#1460
On July 26 2012 17:33 zatic wrote:
The end would have been so much better if in the second to last shot they just showed Alfred smiling and nodding, and then cut to Robin. I was sitting there saying to myself "please don't show Bruce please don't show Bruce' :-(



Spoilers.

So true. I hate to say it but Nolan should totally have stolen his Inception ending and made it ambiguous as to what Alfred saw at the end. To make it so obvious that Bruce was still alive, eh.

Also, random nitpick, but I wish the script could have been written so that the cafe had some sort of significance to it. Maybe Alfred could have made a remark about how the Waynes used to always go to that cafe when on vacation, you know, some sort of comment to make that cafe special. Then it would make sense why Alfred would have just a little hope of seeing Bruce at that cafe. I mean, ffs, this is Florence here, I bet there are a thousand cafes there alone. If that really was just some random cafe, then geez. Of all the gin joints in all the towns in all the world, amirite?
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