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Lemonerer
Israel135 Posts
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zoLo
United States5896 Posts
On July 26 2012 08:52 -Archangel- wrote: if the cannon used to kill Bane was the same one used to blow up those rocks Batman would have died as well. Since he didn't we can assume Bane also didn't since this is a superhero movie and his destroyed body was not shown. You're right. We can assume that the mayor of Gotham, Rachel, and Talia did not die either. On July 26 2012 08:58 Lemonerer wrote: Wait! How did Robin figure that Bruce is Batman again? o_O Blake just had a hunch when he first met Wayne, who came for a charity donation at Blake's orphanage. Blake saw that Wayne had suppressed emotions that would give him a motive to become Batman. Wayne does not confirm nor does he deny it. Blake relates to Wayne because he had similar experiences by losing both of his parents when he was young. He tries his best by putting up a smile to hide it, which is similar to how Wayne tries to hide it by being a rich playboy. | ||
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-Archangel-
Croatia7457 Posts
On July 26 2012 05:44 XaI)CyRiC wrote: Yeah, people need to remember that Bane wanted to give both Batman and Gotham false hope and ultimately destroy both anyway. Bane didn't expect to get out of the city alive and knew Talia could set the bomb off at any time, so there was no concern that the cops, or anyone, could stop their plans. actually the trigger that let them blow up the bomb at any time is what made the whole lets wait for 5 months story stupid. nolan should have just put that as a story for army/cops/batman. Otherwise waiting 5 months to blow yourself up together with the city was just a standard senseless superhero story that 2 previous movies managed to stay away from. | ||
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RespectedPuddle
80 Posts
Also, I'm not sure if my sense of speed and time may be off, but it DEFINITELY takes more than 1:30 to fly more than 6 miles in a helicopter. The plot was so unfocused, and there wasn't enough development of the history of Bane and the child. 30 seconds of explanation doesn't cut it. And the twist- WHO CARES. It doesn't really change anything. All the twist did was change our understanding of one character- Talia. Really useless, not like the twist at the the end of inception where you aren't sure if the movie you just watched was a lie or not Also, the premise of the nuclear bomb was outright stupid, through and through. Even with some creative license, its a silly notion that in a matter of 10 seconds you can turn the core of a nuclear reactor into a fully operational nuclear weapon. Alfred was really the only good character, and the scene where he reveals the letter is really the only good part. | ||
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SRBNikola
Serbia191 Posts
On July 26 2012 09:02 zoLo wrote: You're right. We can assume that the mayor of Gotham, Rachel, and Talia did not die either. Blake just had a hunch when he first met Wayne, who came for a charity donation at Blake's orphanage. Blake saw that Wayne had suppressed emotions that would give him a motive to become Batman. Wayne does not confirm nor does he deny it. Blake relates to Wayne because he had similar experiences by losing both of his parents when he was young. He tries his best by putting up a smile to hide it, which is similar to how Wayne tries to hide it by being a rich playboy. You are wrong, in Batman Begins kid that stands next to Reachel is Robin. On July 26 2012 09:17 RespectedPuddle wrote: Pretty bad movie. Silly plot that got even sillier, especially when Bane took over Gotham and everything went to shit in a matter of 30 seconds on screen. Poor character development, stupid attempts at making Catwoman seem witty, horrible fight scenes, and WE GET IT- the bat motorcycle can do its cute little spinny thing, just like it did in TDK. Also, I'm not sure if my sense of speed and time may be off, but it DEFINITELY takes more than 1:30 to fly more than 6 miles in a helicopter. The plot was so unfocused, and there wasn't enough development of the history of Bane and the child. 30 seconds of explanation doesn't cut it. And the twist- WHO CARES. It doesn't really change anything. All the twist did was change our understanding of one character- Talia. Really useless, not like the twist at the the end of inception where you aren't sure if the movie you just watched was a lie or not Also, the premise of the nuclear bomb was outright stupid, through and through. Even with some creative license, its a silly notion that in a matter of 10 seconds you can turn the core of a nuclear reactor into a fully operational nuclear weapon. Alfred was really the only good character, and the scene where he reveals the letter is really the only good part. What kind of movie genre do you enjoy cause this deffinelty isnt movie for you based on your opinion. | ||
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Praetorial
United States4241 Posts
How does Bane eat? Why do the League of Shadows ninjas use guns instead of their old swords from Batman Begins? If the Scarecrow is free, where's the Joker? If Crane was sprayed with his gas in Batman Begins, shouldn't he be insane? Why did Talia want to commit suicide, Ras didn't. Why would Talia stab Batman in the chest if she didn't want him to die? Why did Bane not explode upon being shot? How the hell did Bane lift Batman and then break his neck, that's inhuman strength? What sort of injury would inflict so much pain that it would require a face mask and gas? If the inmates in the pit has rope, why not just loop it around the ledge that they could never jump to? Wouldn't Wayne's broken back just become more broken by falling from the rope so much? Why does Selina Kyle have cat ears? If Ras can survive pretty much anything until getting caught in a gigantic explosion, how come his daughter can't survive a 30 or less foot fall? Isn't making your former mansion a children's home when a Batman is still active kinda risky, since it was easy for Bane and Talia to figure out that Wayne was Batman? | ||
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SRBNikola
Serbia191 Posts
On July 26 2012 09:24 Praetorial wrote: I thoroughly enjoyed this movie, but I wanted to nitpick, so I compiled a list of nitpicky things that aren't really serious. How does Bane eat? Why do the League of Shadows ninjas use guns instead of their old swords from Batman Begins? If the Scarecrow is free, where's the Joker? If Crane was sprayed with his gas in Batman Begins, shouldn't he be insane? Why did Talia want to commit suicide, Ras didn't. Why would Talia stab Batman in the chest if she didn't want him to die? Why did Bane not explode upon being shot? How the hell did Bane lift Batman and then break his neck, that's inhuman strength? What sort of injury would inflict so much pain that it would require a face mask and gas? If the inmates in the pit has rope, why not just loop it around the ledge that they could never jump to? Wouldn't Wayne's broken back just become more broken by falling from the rope so much? Why does Selina Kyle have cat ears? If Ras can survive pretty much anything until getting caught in a gigantic explosion, how come his daughter can't survive a 30 or less foot fall? Isn't making your former mansion a children's home when a Batman is still active kinda risky, since it was easy for Bane and Talia to figure out that Wayne was Batman? 1.) No idea. 2.) There are no League of Shadows ninjas in this movie, there are only bane terrorists and they have nothing to do with LoS. 3.) We dont know. 4.) No he should not. There was cure for it. 5.) She was more dedicated it looks like. 6.) She doesnt stab him in chest. 7.) Body armor i asume. 8.) What? That is possible, even in normality, imagine during adrenaline rush. Also this is Movie. 9.) I have pains from sitting on pc whole day and doing nothing, i could use mask, imagine what he went through? 10.) Ask them why not. 11.) She doesnt have cat ears? 12.) He should have i think, but breaking back 3 times isnt good for movie plot. 13.) What did Ra's survive? Where do you learn about that. 14.) What? I hope that sums it up, but please keep in mind this is MOVIE, its not real life. | ||
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Elegy
United States1629 Posts
Eh wiki says hes dead, bye bane | ||
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levelping
Singapore759 Posts
On July 26 2012 09:30 SRBNikola wrote: 1.) No idea. 2.) There are no League of Shadows ninjas in this movie, there are only bane terrorists and they have nothing to do with LoS. 3.) We dont know. 4.) No he should not. There was cure for it. 5.) She doesnt stab him in chest. 6.) Body armor i asume. 7.) What? That is possible, even in normality, imagine during adrenaline rush. Also this is Movie. 8.) I have pains from sitting on pc whole day and doing nothing, i could use mask, imagine what he went through? 9.) Ask them why not. 10.) She doesnt have cat ears? 10.) He should have i think, but breaking back 3 times isnt good for movie plot. 11.) What did Ra's survive? Where do you learn about that. 12.) What? I hope that sums it up, but please keep in mind this is MOVIE, its not real life. Well I can except the "it's just a movie!" explanation for a movie like the avengers since it clearly does not take itself seriously. But the Nolan batman has always been marketed as a gritty and realistic portrayal of superheroes. If it holds itself put to be more than a movie then the little plot holes become more glaring. | ||
XaI)CyRiC
United States4471 Posts
On July 26 2012 09:05 -Archangel- wrote: actually the trigger that let them blow up the bomb at any time is what made the whole lets wait for 5 months story stupid. nolan should have just put that as a story for army/cops/batman. Otherwise waiting 5 months to blow yourself up together with the city was just a standard senseless superhero story that 2 previous movies managed to stay away from. I'm going to have to disagree. The League of Shadows has always seen itself as a righteous force, and the destruction it causes as a means to keep the world from becoming too corrupt. Thalia was raised by the league and her father who were fanatically devoted to those ideals, and wanted to complete her father's work in Gotham. Ra's wasn't just trying to destroy Gotham, he wanted to reveal it as the irredeemable city that he believed it was by releasing the fear gas and letting the people tear the city and themselves apart. Bane and Talia tried to accomplish something similar by taking the city hostage and turning its people on each other by creating anarchy. Blowing the city up would not have sent the same message as letting the city slowly degrade by removing the police and any semblance of authority or control. 5 months is admittedly a bit long for such a process, but the idea was there. Too tired to articulate it well now, but Bane's own experience in the pit also played a part by incorporating the use of false hope to torture. Bane was trying to portray himself as a savior of the "people" by removing their "oppressors", i.e. law and order. If the plan had gone as it should have, he would eventually have been blown up along with the city because, as he claimed, some ordinary citizen had chosen to set it off. It's arguable how believable that would have been, but it could arguably have been in line with the idea of showing the world that Gotham was irredeemably corrupt and deserved to be destroyed, and was ultimately destroyed by its own irredeemably corrupt people when they were freed from the "lies" that the government had used to oppress them (i.e. speech re: Dent). | ||
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SRBNikola
Serbia191 Posts
On July 26 2012 09:39 levelping wrote: Well I can except the "it's just a movie!" explanation for a movie like the avengers since it clearly does not take itself seriously. But the Nolan batman has always been marketed as a gritty and realistic portrayal of superheroes. If it holds itself put to be more than a movie then the little plot holes become more glaring. Its realistic to max for a movie, imagine if it was REALLY realistic, these stuff wouldnt be possible, batman driving some classic back hammer in some light gayish suite, fighting bane, some strong huge guy. It would look horrible, ofc some things are impossible or extremely unusual and hard to happen, and ofc this isnt realistic to a point, but compared to Avengers in every way this movie is MILES ahead. I find this movie best in genre, together with TDK and BB, ofc they all have flows, but for a comic book adaptation put in somewhat realistic world, it done it for me and made me feel it like its real. As with every movie with a lot of characters and complex story there are flows, unexplainable and things that dont make sense, but that is natural, its HARD to make everything make sense especially in Comic book adaptation of unrealistic world. | ||
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TOloseGT
United States1145 Posts
On July 26 2012 09:39 levelping wrote: Well I can except the "it's just a movie!" explanation for a movie like the avengers since it clearly does not take itself seriously. But the Nolan batman has always been marketed as a gritty and realistic portrayal of superheroes. If it holds itself put to be more than a movie then the little plot holes become more glaring. That doesn't make any sense. Of course The Avengers takes itself seriously. It did that starting with the Avengers reveal in Iron Man. It's a fun action movie, that doesn't necessarily mean it didn't take itself seriously. Hot Rod is a movie that doesn't take itself seriously. And while The Dark Knight trilogy is advertised as darker and more grounded than it's predecessors, it's still a story featuring a masked vigilante. The entire backstory of this trilogy is focused on the fantastical League of Shadows. It'll be a dull fucking story if the Batman dies in the first movie because real world physics takes precedent over storytelling. | ||
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dudeman001
United States2412 Posts
On July 26 2012 09:24 Praetorial wrote: I thoroughly enjoyed this movie, but I wanted to nitpick, so I compiled a list of nitpicky things that aren't really serious. How does Bane eat? Why do the League of Shadows ninjas use guns instead of their old swords from Batman Begins? If the Scarecrow is free, where's the Joker? If Crane was sprayed with his gas in Batman Begins, shouldn't he be insane? Why did Talia want to commit suicide, Ras didn't. Why would Talia stab Batman in the chest if she didn't want him to die? Why did Bane not explode upon being shot? How the hell did Bane lift Batman and then break his neck, that's inhuman strength? What sort of injury would inflict so much pain that it would require a face mask and gas? If the inmates in the pit has rope, why not just loop it around the ledge that they could never jump to? Wouldn't Wayne's broken back just become more broken by falling from the rope so much? Why does Selina Kyle have cat ears? If Ras can survive pretty much anything until getting caught in a gigantic explosion, how come his daughter can't survive a 30 or less foot fall? Isn't making your former mansion a children's home when a Batman is still active kinda risky, since it was easy for Bane and Talia to figure out that Wayne was Batman? I can't come up with an answer for everything, but I think I can answer some of your questions. 1. He feeds on hope and fear. 2. I thought of the new league as a Bane mercenary league. The real League of Shadows got basically fucked in Batman Begins. 3. Joker is off doing his own thing. Batman villains who aren't directly going after Batman usually just disappear until it's their time to shine. 4. Crane was likely vaccinated along with the rest of Gotham after movie 1. Remember he was sanely selling drugs in the 2nd movie. 5. I can't even begin to understand Talia's character so I won't bother trying to rationalize her. 6. ^ Talia's dumb in the movie. 7. Maybe the impact struck bane metal chestplate which absorbed most of the damage. Not enough to save him, but enough to prevent bodily explosion. 8. Bane's supposed to be ridiculously strong. (Plus the bad breaking move is somewhat of a signature move of his.) 9. Maybe his mouth was completely mutilated. They emphasized that the shitty prison doctor did a sloppy job of fixing it. 10. I dunno, that's a good point. Yay plotholes. 11. Yeah, somehow Batman recovers like a starfish in this movie. Biologically his back shouldn't have been able to take that over and over. 12. Catwoman! :3 13. Ra's was a crazy ninja assassin. His daughter was born in a hole. 14. There's some risk, but as long as the kids stay away from the cave waterfall it should be safe. If Batman could drive all the way from Gotham to his cave without being seen, it should be well hidden enough. I also think Talia already knew Bruce was Batman, likely from Bruce's time with the League of Shadows. But yeah, there's a certain suspension of disbelief that this Batman movie requires in order to enjoy it. To think that the US government would actually do NOTHING besides send in one small CIA team is already unbelievable. Or Talia even giving Gordon a chance at stopping the bomb. Or the entire cop vs army scene at the end lol. Lots of things you just have to let go.  I really hate Talia in this movie. Besides her revenge motive, everything she does makes no sense. | ||
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PaRaBoWL
United States74 Posts
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XaI)CyRiC
United States4471 Posts
On July 26 2012 09:30 SRBNikola wrote: 1.) No idea. 2.) There are no League of Shadows ninjas in this movie, there are only bane terrorists and they have nothing to do with LoS. 3.) We dont know. 4.) No he should not. There was cure for it. 5.) She was more dedicated it looks like. 6.) She doesnt stab him in chest. 7.) Body armor i asume. 8.) What? That is possible, even in normality, imagine during adrenaline rush. Also this is Movie. 9.) I have pains from sitting on pc whole day and doing nothing, i could use mask, imagine what he went through? 10.) Ask them why not. 11.) She doesnt have cat ears? 12.) He should have i think, but breaking back 3 times isnt good for movie plot. 13.) What did Ra's survive? Where do you learn about that. 14.) What? I hope that sums it up, but please keep in mind this is MOVIE, its not real life. 4. Also, he created the chemical so it'd make sense he would be more capable of recovering from it than others. 5. It's not clear that Talia intended to die as well. She hadn't outed herself until the very end, and could arguably have escaped prior to the explosion and still be thought of as a lucky survivor if the bomb hadn't been taken by Gordon et al. 8. Pro wrestlers lift people over their heads all the time. MMA fighters pull off similar moves even in the middle of fights. 9. The kind of pain that comes from being treated for a serious injury by someone with no medical supplies in a pit. 10. Hard to say because we never get a real good look at the rope and makeup of the pit, but it doesn't appear the rope was long enough to reach the very top. It barely reached the ledge. 11. Cat ears during the ball? It was a masquerade and she's Catwoman for crying out loud. If you're referring to the eye gear that looks like cat ears when she puts them up, then maybe it's because... she's Catwoman?!? 12. Could argue that he trained extensively before making the attempt. He was in great shape prior to the injury, so could arguably recover faster with all his prior training. 13. In addition to asking what you're referring to as Ra's surviving, Talia is not the same as Ra's? No one ever suggests that she's anything close to being his equal. Being his daughter doesn't impart her with his knowledge, skills or abilities. 14. Pretty sure Talia and Bane knew his identity because Ra's and the League did since they trained him. | ||
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XaI)CyRiC
United States4471 Posts
On July 26 2012 09:02 zoLo wrote: Blake just had a hunch when he first met Wayne, who came for a charity donation at Blake's orphanage. Blake saw that Wayne had suppressed emotions that would give him a motive to become Batman. Wayne does not confirm nor does he deny it. Blake relates to Wayne because he had similar experiences by losing both of his parents when he was young. He tries his best by putting up a smile to hide it, which is similar to how Wayne tries to hide it by being a rich playboy. The question should really be how no one else is able to figure it out  Batman is a great figher, has advanced technology and incredible resources. Mayyyybe he's the super rich guy with incredible resources who happens to be in incredible physical shape and have an obvious motive for becoming a vigilante (parents killed by criminal), returned to Gotham after disappearing for years at around the same time Batman appears, became a recluse and cripple when Batman disappears after the TDK events, and then rejoins society as a non-cripple right when Batman reappears. Like I said, I think Blake was intended to be sort of an audience surrogate. He saw what would be obvious to any member of the audience, but was apparently a mystery to almost every character in the movie. | ||
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Gates
Canada12 Posts
Like I said, I think Blake was intended to be sort of an audience surrogate. He saw what would be obvious to any member of the audience, but was apparently a mystery to almost every character in the movie. I love this idea in terms of the storytelling. But I also think that Blake is very clearly modelled after Tim Drake, whom Batman always said would be a better detective than he is. I think he is just able to piece things together that others can't, and notices things that normal other people don't notice. | ||
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Mioraka
Canada1353 Posts
On July 26 2012 00:35 Hawk wrote: batman coming back wasnt just a hop skip and jump away. he's on the other side of the world with no money, and not only that, got into a city in the dead of winter when there is no tunnel or bridge access. i get the whole suspending reality concept, but that really pushes it there. at the very least, there should have been some type of explanation on how the fuck he got into gotham. gordon being 100% ok from a crash that killed talia is ridiculous. he was in the dark holding compartment with a giant metal orb that was bouncing all around and comes out unscathed. that whole scene sucked. her death was just really shitty acting on her part. i also thought her character was way underdeveloped considering how strongly she plays into the ending. i guess it was to hide the twist a bit but she just seemed so flat when everyone else did more than just exist to further the plot. catwoman showing up just in time to kill the main bad guy. the showing up at perfect time things for stuff like bruce finding her when he comes back to gotham is annoying but ultimately, affects very little and easily over lookable. having the secondary character show up out of no where to kill the super badass villian is so incredibly lazy and anti climatic. it is really shitty writing and just about the worst way to kill off the strongest character in the film. batman and the bomb. if he survived, it is ridiculous. if it is just alfred's dream as many are interpreting, it is still odd. why the hell is selina kyle in it?? it doesn't make sense either way. it was still a good movie. bane was really an awesome character. different from the joker but stacks up very well. lots of good fight scenes. catwoman and robin were both good supporting characters. but the last 30 minutes was just really, really poor when compared with everything else. I think it is quite clearly third in the trilogy. Are you serious bro? Are you really questioning how batman, the motherfucking batman got into A CITY without going through bridges or tunnels? You know how he got in? He's the motherfucking batman that's how. He just climbed out of a damn hole in the middle of no where. Why don't you call that a plot hole too? Why don't you complain that superman can fly? | ||
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Praetorial
United States4241 Posts
I was nitpicking, didn't want analysis. Edit: Watching it again, if Talia had just worn a seatbelt, she would've survived. | ||
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Parcelleus
Australia1662 Posts
Well, I nearly fell asleep twice, and not because I was tired but boredom. It felt like Independence day with Batman dropped in. Batman universe always had it's strength in creating a new world - this movie doesnt do that at all. It actually tries to do the opposite, it tries to seem realistic and instead of New York they call it Gotham City - that concept in itself is -facepalm. Anna Hathaway was barely acceptable but definately no where near the ownership displayed by Michelle Pfiefer with her catwoman character. Really bad story and screenplay. With the amount of time they had , it felt like they tried to fit too much in , by doing so, everything felt shallow. I would of rather they focused on a couple things and developed/explored that more on screen. The twist at the end was like 'oh shit - this story is boring , we need a twist'. Taleia was a young girl , and Batman a developed adult, surely he could of picked up on something 'a miss' with her. After all , Batman has more experience in the league of shadows. The whole league of shadows looked water down and rushed, um - it was supposed to be on e of the main strong points. The nuclear bomb concept ? that was very underwhelming and I just had to 'roll my eyes'. Is this MISSION IMPOSSIBLE 5 or Batman ! god ! I loved Batman Begins and The DK wasnt bad. But I still think Batman and Robin has been the closest to the Batman Universe - MR FREEZE is still the ultimate bad ass for my money. Now Im scared to go see Prometheus as Im afraid I should just wait for the video, its hard to tell through all the hype. | ||
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