EPTOutside of that, it was enjoyable and a good summer flick. The last one was lightyears better though. The first was better as well.
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QuanticHawk
United States32157 Posts
Outside of that, it was enjoyable and a good summer flick. The last one was lightyears better though. The first was better as well. | ||
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Telcontar
United Kingdom16710 Posts
On July 25 2012 23:53 HawaiianPig wrote: When they "catch" Bruce he tells her that they can't get her out, and that he'll come back for her. I don't know why I couldn't recall the exact nature of that convo. It still makes little sense though. + Show Spoiler + If he could get Fox out, surely getting Miranda out with him wouldn't be too much trouble. | ||
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Fuego
United Kingdom166 Posts
On July 25 2012 23:57 Telcontar wrote: I don't know why I couldn't recall the exact nature of that convo. It still makes little sense though. + Show Spoiler + If he could get Fox out, surely getting Miranda out with him wouldn't be too much trouble. If you get annoyed at plot inconsistencies and suspending your disbelief you have clearly never read any of the comics that this character is based on. I wish people would stop comparing Comic Book movies to real life, that isn't the point. | ||
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hoby2000
United States918 Posts
On July 25 2012 23:56 Hawk wrote: I agree with most of the negative comments here. The plot went to shit in the last 20-30 minutes. Bane deserved way better, some serious plot holes and contrived crap (batman coming back to gotham randomly, him knowing exactly where catwoman was, gordon being 100% ok from the crash, catwoman showing up just in time to get bane, batman taking the bomb, etc etc) Outside of that, it was enjoyable and a good summer flick. The last one was lightyears better though. The first was better as well. Are you serious? You think THOSE are serious plot holes? Who cares about any of that shit. That literally has NOTHING to do with the plot at all. You just want an explanation for small things that have no relevance to the actual story. Why does it matter how Batman go back to Gotham? You want to see him on a plane or something? Or knowing exactly where catwoman was? or Gordon being ok from the collision? Or any of the others you named. I just don't see why those have any sort of relevance at all. FYI: I'm not a batman fanboy, though I did enjoy the movie quite a bit. I just think people are complaining about stupid shit for the sake of complaining. | ||
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thrawn2112
United States6918 Posts
On July 26 2012 00:22 hoby2000 wrote: people are complaining about stupid shit for the sake of complaining. all that repressed anger from countless ladder games has to go somewhere | ||
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lynx.oblige
Sierra Leone2268 Posts
Wayne was trained to be a god damn ninja assassin, once again from the first movie, small wonder he can tail and happen upon a thief (Catwoman). A pretty good thief it appears, but not a fuckin' ninja that blew up the League's home base and survived it. He has one upped her a couple of times prior as well. Gordon being okay is probably the hardest to justify but if you look at the drop, the trailer portion of the truck did not seem to suffer as much impact as the front of the truck naturally. Obviously if you're towing around a potentially nuclear object, you would probably want to bolt it down as tight as possible so it crushing him might actually not occur. It is really not that outlandish that he survived. It is far stranger he didn't at least sustain some apparent damage. Yes, guys, there was a movie before The Dark Knight. | ||
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QuanticHawk
United States32157 Posts
On July 26 2012 00:22 hoby2000 wrote: Are you serious? You think THOSE are serious plot holes? Who cares about any of that shit. That literally has NOTHING to do with the plot at all. You just want an explanation for small things that have no relevance to the actual story. Why does it matter how Batman go back to Gotham? You want to see him on a plane or something? Or knowing exactly where catwoman was? or Gordon being ok from the collision? Or any of the others you named. I just don't see why those have any sort of relevance at all. FYI: I'm not a batman fanboy, though I did enjoy the movie quite a bit. I just think people are complaining about stupid shit for the sake of complaining. batman coming back wasnt just a hop skip and jump away. he's on the other side of the world with no money, and not only that, got into a city in the dead of winter when there is no tunnel or bridge access. i get the whole suspending reality concept, but that really pushes it there. at the very least, there should have been some type of explanation on how the fuck he got into gotham. gordon being 100% ok from a crash that killed talia is ridiculous. he was in the dark holding compartment with a giant metal orb that was bouncing all around and comes out unscathed. that whole scene sucked. her death was just really shitty acting on her part. i also thought her character was way underdeveloped considering how strongly she plays into the ending. i guess it was to hide the twist a bit but she just seemed so flat when everyone else did more than just exist to further the plot. catwoman showing up just in time to kill the main bad guy. the showing up at perfect time things for stuff like bruce finding her when he comes back to gotham is annoying but ultimately, affects very little and easily over lookable. having the secondary character show up out of no where to kill the super badass villian is so incredibly lazy and anti climatic. it is really shitty writing and just about the worst way to kill off the strongest character in the film. batman and the bomb. if he survived, it is ridiculous. if it is just alfred's dream as many are interpreting, it is still odd. why the hell is selina kyle in it?? it doesn't make sense either way. it was still a good movie. bane was really an awesome character. different from the joker but stacks up very well. lots of good fight scenes. catwoman and robin were both good supporting characters. but the last 30 minutes was just really, really poor when compared with everything else. I think it is quite clearly third in the trilogy. | ||
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n.DieJokes
United States3443 Posts
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Exigaet
Canada355 Posts
On July 26 2012 00:35 Hawk wrote: batman and the bomb. if he survived, it is ridiculous. if it is just alfred's dream as many are interpreting, it is still odd. why the hell is selina kyle in it?? it doesn't make sense either way. I don't think it's Alfred's dream. Before Alfred leaves the mansion, he tells Bruce that he would often go to that patio and hope to see Bruce sitting there at a table with a family. He goes there one last time and sees him there with Selina. There is also the scene with Fox and a couple engineers at the end talking about the auto-pilot. Fox asks the engineers what could have been done to get the auto-pilot working. He is told that it has been working for the last 6 months, and Bruce fixed it. | ||
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Kazeyonoma
United States2912 Posts
a) show talia clearly not wearing a seatbelt, but show a strange angle in the back that shows the nuclear bomb is bolted in and gordon bracing himself just seconds before the crash. Hell even make him come out of the truck bleeding so people complain less. b) spend a long 5-10 minute period flashing back, to properly explain that bane was indeed a successor to Ras al ghul but merely in physical form, and that talia was the mind behind it. explain their love, explain that they BOTH lead the LoS (crazy concept i knowrite) together, and planned it better c) don't let anyone other than main person kill above bad guys, would people be complaining right now if it was batman who <insert method of death> onto bane instead of catwoman? The point is, both talia + bane were a pair, and batman + catwoman were a pair at this point of the movie, having her take out bane, while batman takes out talia (in the truck sequence) is fitting, but nope, has to be batman who defeats everyone! d) show batman clearly escaping and not leave anything to the imagination, who needs imagination, even in the face of post catastrophe proof (wtf hallucination theory) e) make sure you show batman picking up a phone, calling someone he knows (doesn't even have to be a main char) to wire him some cash, then show him taking a tunnel or whatever method batman gets around the city besides his car/plane (which is 90% of the time) so people can shut up about 'how did he get back in!' f) put bat jet into a container, apparently this worked for bike, but having it 'hidden' on a rooftop is too hard for people to grasp, so just put it into a container next time. and still, none of these are 'gaping plotholes', they're minutia. I feel like half of the complaints in this thread, are simply due to peoples own circumstances. people not seeing things, or noticing things, then complaining about 'plothole!' here then someone correcting them. i feel like, MOST if not all plotholes will suddenly disappear when people watch it their 2nd time. | ||
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AppleTart
United States1261 Posts
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Damien Kirojo
United States8 Posts
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Kazeyonoma
United States2912 Posts
On July 26 2012 01:15 AppleTart wrote: I still think the way Bane died was pretty lame... he deserved so much better than just being shot and dying, especially after all those epic brawls with Batman. Why, he was already defeated, batman already kicked his ass, and had the upper hand. Talia bailed him out by stabbing an undefended/unsuspecting Batman. Also, once Talia took over as the main villain, it made some sort of karmic justice that the 2ndary villain get taken out by the 2ndary hero(ine). I'm curious as to what people think would've been a better way to end Bane's story after that reveal. | ||
XaI)CyRiC
United States4471 Posts
1. Blake is clearly not Robin. None of the Robins were actually named Robin, and Nolan has stated many times that he had no interest in including the Robin character. Christian Bale had also stated that he preferred that Robin be excluded from the movies. I agree with this article that Blake was intended to be a hybrid of the Robin characters, and basically serve as a sidekick and successor. In addition to being a sidekick/successor, I also felt like the character served to sort of as an audience surrogate in that he was a new outsider stepping in and figuring thing out throughout the movie. 2. I agree with the idea is that the movie is essentially about Batman moving on past what happened in TDK, resdiscovering himself, and eventually finding some closure with everything and moving on. The movie starts out with him feeling like his life is essentially over because there's no need for Batman and he's universally hated, and the only life beyond Batman he thought he had died with Rachel. He comes back when Bane shows up, but he's not really back because is still haunted by the TDK events and has nothing to live for. As a result, he's just trying to martyr himself (whether he realizes it or not) and that leads to Bane easily disposing of him. Problem is that Bane doesn't let him martyr himself by killing him, and instead keeps him alive to torture him by showing him Gotham's slow demise by chaos, self-destruction via anarchy, and then actual destruction by the bomb. In that way, I actually see parts of both Ra's and the Joker in Bane in that Bane wants to complete Ra's work and level Gotham because he sees it as a irredeemable, but also wants Batman to see how hopeless and depraved Gotham really is by creating anarchy and chaos under the semblance of giving the city back to "the people". Kind of cool that the villain in the third movie combines the methods of both prior villains IMO. Only after Batman realizes and accepts why he lost to Bane, and rediscovers himself is he able to get out of the pit and defeat Bane in their fight. In some ways, I agree that Bane getting killed by Catwoman on the bike is kinda lame, but also agree that he had already been defeated by Batman and that it seemed only fitting that Catwoman basically countered Talia's earlier treachery. 3. I like the ending, which I think clearly shows that Batman survives via autopilot. It concludes the theme of Bruce finding happiness and a life beyond Batman like Alfred wanted and it continues with the original theme of Batman being a symbol that can't be killed by having Bruce pass on the Batcave to Blake. Could Nolan have not actually shown Bruce and Selina at the cafe? Sure. But that's a stylistic choice that does not add to or take away from the film IMO and is a silly thing to pick on. People pointing to Inception ignore the fact that it was a very different type of movie where the entire theme of the movie is trying to figure out where reality and the mind begin and end. Batman was never about that, so there's no reason to expect the same type of ending. 4. I agree that many people are nitpicking on some really minor details. The movie was long enough without showing minute details like how Batman got here or there (he's resourceful, leave it at that), how Gordon was unscathed after the crash (he's also resourceful and tougher than he looks, leave it at that), how Batman got out of the Bat in time to avoid the explosion (he obviously planned out such a contingency since he fixed the autopilot a while ago, and it's not hard to imagine there's a means of escape since the Tumbler had one), Catwoman showing up just in time to kill Bane (makes sense she'd go check on Batman since she knew he was going up against Bane and had already indicated that she had doubts he could handle Bane alone, and just accept that it was fortunate timing as it happens in movies all the time), etc. Did the movie generally make sense and get its point across? I would say yes. Do these small details that may or may not make sense significantly affect the movie? I would say no. Was it worth it to spend time explaining the details to make sure they made sense? Definitely no, as the movie was already long and the studio would likely never have allowed a 3+ hour movie. 5. With that said, I can't help but mention that the whole cops vs Bane's army scene did stand out as inexplicable and outrageous. This isn't the medieval times where armies run at each other and fight hand-to-hand. Everyone involved in the fight had guns, and the cops had a numbers advantage (3,000 if I remember correctly vs. what had to be a much smaller amry for Bane). It made no sense to walk in a line down a single street towards a waiting army of men armed with guns and tumbler tanks. The cops could have surrounded Bane's army and taken them down at a distance with their vastly superior numbers. Even with pistols vs. automatic weapons, they win that fight if it's a 10+:1 ratio gunfight. Bane only had so many tanks and they were fighting in the city where they would have difficulty with maneuverability, particularly if surrounded. I guess it looked grand to see all the cops united and standing together in defiance of Bane and his army, but c'mon. Unlike the other plotholes and questionable scenes people are talking about, this one could not have been explained even with extra footage or explanation. | ||
MrHoon
10183 Posts
I enjoyed it and I don't understand why people ragged on Bane so hard. I thought he was great! He was different than the Joker and brought to the table something else. If ANYTHING i still couldn't understand Christian Bale's batman voice at all over Bane's voice. Bane's voice was cool and tom hardy did an awesome job I'm with alot people when they said the second Talia became #1 villain and suddenly Bane went to sidekick villain they were disappointed to the max. It was just so.... mehhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. I honestly just wanted talia gone as a character from the movie when I saw that scene. It made me go what the fuck man. Like seriously? You buildup this badass character then pull this shit on my face? Nothing to say about anne hathaway. She can make the worst romantic comedy known to mankind and I would still watch it 20 times. One thing I WILL say though is that the 3rd movie felt very different for me than TDK. When I went to see the Dark Knight, I did NOT know what to expect from Heath Ledger's Joker. I remember when heath was casted I was like "... Really?". I thought maybe it would be a bad impersonation to jack nicholson one, maybe it wouldn't. However when I saw the movie I was blown away by his interpretation of the joker. It felt... Fresh for me I guess? I remember even the teaser trailer for TDK was a bat symbol and you could only hear Joker's voice Not to say Tom Hardy's performance wasn't fresh. But one thing that I think drowned the movie out for me was that every fucking video of TDKR had christopher going like "OMGGGGG ITS TOTALLY NEW AND HERES WHYYYYYY HES DIFFERENT FROM JOKEERRRRR SO MUCH DARKER AND EVILLLLL" He did that a million fucking times and at the end when I saw bane it was like "Oh he's really cool but I saw that coming since mr nolan said that on every entertainment blogmedia w/e" Man im tired. I'll probably read my post again in 7 hours and see how much shit I wrote. | ||
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CanadianSCgamer
Canada64 Posts
Bane was not actually shown to have died. People are complaining that Nolan didn't give Bane a proper death scene, but I think that was exactly Nolan's intention to leave it ambiguous. Also, remember that the vest Bane kept holding on to the entire movie is armored, therefore the Pod's cannons may have only injured him, not killed him. At first I thought Talia's death scene was ruined by Marion Cottilard's bad acting with her eyes suddenly closing and her body slumping. However, I couldn't get over how in the world an Academy Award winning actress would give such a crappy performance, and how a world-class director, like Nolan, would allow such a bad take to be in the final edit of the film. Then I realized that, again, the scene was left like that INTENTIONALLY. Dun dun dun. Talia's death scene and Cotillard's intentional bad acting was Nolan's wink at the audience that Talia isn't actually dead. Faking one's death seems to be one of the main themes of the film. Batman faked his death and Havey Dent's reason of death was faked. I don't see why Bane and Talia's extremely suspicious looking deaths have to be real. | ||
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zoLo
United States5896 Posts
On July 26 2012 03:42 CanadianSCgamer wrote: My theory: Bane and Talia are not dead. Bane was not actually shown to have died. People are complaining that Nolan didn't give Bane a proper death scene, but I think that was exactly Nolan's intention to leave it ambiguous. Also, remember that the vest Bane kept holding on to the entire movie is armored, therefore the Pod's cannons may have only injured him, not killed him. The weaponry on the Bat-pod can destroy or leave a big hole in a wall of cars and concrete debris that trapped the majority of the police force. We can safely say that Bane is dead. He maybe wearing body armor, but I doubt it can save his life from a head on blast from a cannon. | ||
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Maxie
Sweden2653 Posts
-Bane's death sucked, I didn't like the switch from him to Talia either. Bane had solid buildup into a badass villain, Talia didn't. -Police vs bad guys was stupid as hell, now imagine mr batman didn't emp those tanks? They'd all be dead in a heartbeat - and even so, why go into melee combat when everyone has guns? -Less than two minutes to tow away that "mega" nuke, it detonates that far off and noone has ever heard of radiation (nitpick on my side, I can let it slip but it annoys me). | ||
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AppleTart
United States1261 Posts
On July 26 2012 01:28 Kazeyonoma wrote: Why, he was already defeated, batman already kicked his ass, and had the upper hand. Talia bailed him out by stabbing an undefended/unsuspecting Batman. Also, once Talia took over as the main villain, it made some sort of karmic justice that the 2ndary villain get taken out by the 2ndary hero(ine). I'm curious as to what people think would've been a better way to end Bane's story after that reveal. Well it was so lame how Talia stole the spotlight from him and then they dispose of him with a quick blast.. I wanted to see Batman and him brawl it out again. on a side note... I thought it was hilarious how like even in modern times with nukes, tanks, and high tech helicopters the main two characters showdown is a fist fight. It's like oh comon Batman, Bane, just shoot each other or something. | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16124 Posts
On July 25 2012 23:02 Assault_1 wrote: + Show Spoiler + so autopilot works and he found a light with bat symbol on it.. how is this better evidence than showing him getting blown up? + Show Spoiler + Dude, you actually see Bruce with Selena Kyle at the cafe at the end scene. I think you weren't paying close enough attention, because they legitimately show it. | ||
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