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EDIT: stuff spoilering. If you come into this thread before you've seen the movie, you did it to yourself.
All of this:
On July 25 2012 14:51 SwizzY wrote:
But the worst offense of this movie to my nerddom is:
How Bane was so anticlimactically "killed/taken out." You spend the whole fucking movie setting up an intelligent, ruthless villain only to decide that you want to switch gears to a weaker villain/actor in Tate/Talia. Something about having him taken out by Catwoman and a rocket from the batcycle was just... wrong. I loved Bane by the hour and a half mark so I hope you see why it got to me. The final death scene of Talia/Tate was just god-awful. The cliche closing of the eyes, cock head away death is just laughable, mainly because she can't pull it off.
Bane deserved so much more than he got. He should have died in an epic fistfight with batman in... i don't know, the reactor room, being washed away by the flood or something. The death he received, as the butt of a one-liner from catwoman, was the kind of thing you do to a random red shirt. That was terrible.
In and of itself, I liked the bait-and-switch with Talia being the child who escaped the pit... but I hated everything else about it. I genuinely like Marion Cotillard as an actor, but she was just not set up properly to be a satisfying final boss, and her death scene was... pathetic.
I loved the rest of the movie, but Bane just evaporating like that really left a bad taste in my mouth, after all the effort they'd gone to to set him up.
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There was no point in prolonging Batman v. Bane part 2. If you include both of them, the fight was incredibly well done and also long enough to provide us a picture of Batman's growth throughout the movie. The first time, Batman just came back from a long hiatus, depressed and senseless, and got wrecked. He was too confident in his abilities, which was in question since he took an 8 year break. The second time, he channeled his emotions into something productive, mirroring BB's League of Shadow's training. We saw them trading blows equally the second time until Batman used Bane's reliance on morphine against him, then it was gameover.
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all i could think about anytime bane spoke was how he sounded exactly like deckard cain... did anyone else get this?
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On July 22 2012 11:38 shindigs wrote:One tiny suggestion to make the ending pretty sick + Show Spoiler +During Alfred's sequence, they never cut to Bruce. It's just Alfred smiling and then it cuts to whatever/ends.
Yea this exactly, if felt like the final cut was there to punch you in the face with obviousness .
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On July 25 2012 21:42 Chr15t wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2012 11:38 shindigs wrote:One tiny suggestion to make the ending pretty sick + Show Spoiler +During Alfred's sequence, they never cut to Bruce. It's just Alfred smiling and then it cuts to whatever/ends. Yea this exactly, if felt like the final cut was there to punch you in the face with obviousness .
most people arent smart enough to make the needed connections without that last scene
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Hey guys, just watched the movie yesterday, and a thought came to me.
How does Bane eat?
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Oh. Thanks to a really nice person who PM'd me, apparently this is going to be released in China around August 25th. Well then. :/ So that sort of sucks.
Debating whether to watch a cam or wait several weeks to watch it in IMAX back in the states...I think I'm probably going to cave at some point and watch a cam  I really do want to wach this...maybe cam first theater later.
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Nowhere near as good as the first two imo =/ Still ok. I wonder though, if the goal was just to destory Gotham, why didn't they blow up the bomb from the start rather than screwing around for a week or so?
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On July 25 2012 22:13 OminouS wrote:
Nowhere near as good as the first two imo =/ Still ok. I wonder though, if the goal was just to destory Gotham, why didn't they blow up the bomb from the start rather than screwing around for a week or so?
Bane and co screwed around for almost 5 months, and I'm pretty sure it's to prolong Gotham's hope that the bomb could be diffused, before destroying that hope. That's mirrored by the prison.
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On July 25 2012 21:46 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2012 21:42 Chr15t wrote:On July 22 2012 11:38 shindigs wrote:One tiny suggestion to make the ending pretty sick + Show Spoiler +During Alfred's sequence, they never cut to Bruce. It's just Alfred smiling and then it cuts to whatever/ends. Yea this exactly, if felt like the final cut was there to punch you in the face with obviousness . most people arent smart enough to make the needed connections without that last scene
Yes it would definitely be out of Nolans norm to have an ending that requires you to think a little wouldn't it.
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On July 25 2012 22:22 iaguz wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2012 21:46 thrawn2112 wrote:On July 25 2012 21:42 Chr15t wrote:On July 22 2012 11:38 shindigs wrote:One tiny suggestion to make the ending pretty sick + Show Spoiler +During Alfred's sequence, they never cut to Bruce. It's just Alfred smiling and then it cuts to whatever/ends. Yea this exactly, if felt like the final cut was there to punch you in the face with obviousness . most people arent smart enough to make the needed connections without that last scene Yes it would definitely be out of Nolans norm to have an ending that requires you to think a little wouldn't it.
movies such as the prestige and tdkr have completely different target audiences
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On July 25 2012 22:22 iaguz wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2012 21:46 thrawn2112 wrote:On July 25 2012 21:42 Chr15t wrote:On July 22 2012 11:38 shindigs wrote:One tiny suggestion to make the ending pretty sick + Show Spoiler +During Alfred's sequence, they never cut to Bruce. It's just Alfred smiling and then it cuts to whatever/ends. Yea this exactly, if felt like the final cut was there to punch you in the face with obviousness . most people arent smart enough to make the needed connections without that last scene Yes it would definitely be out of Nolans norm to have an ending that requires you to think a little wouldn't it.
+ Show Spoiler +Am I the only one that still assumes he died? oh well, ill continue assuming it, the evidence supporting that he lived is a joke. He was shown in the ship 5 seconds before the bomb exploded, alfred's vision was a hallucination. Seems simple to me.
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On July 25 2012 22:36 Assault_1 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2012 22:22 iaguz wrote:On July 25 2012 21:46 thrawn2112 wrote:On July 25 2012 21:42 Chr15t wrote:On July 22 2012 11:38 shindigs wrote:One tiny suggestion to make the ending pretty sick + Show Spoiler +During Alfred's sequence, they never cut to Bruce. It's just Alfred smiling and then it cuts to whatever/ends. Yea this exactly, if felt like the final cut was there to punch you in the face with obviousness . most people arent smart enough to make the needed connections without that last scene Yes it would definitely be out of Nolans norm to have an ending that requires you to think a little wouldn't it. + Show Spoiler +Am I the only one that still assumes he died? oh well, ill continue assuming it, the evidence supporting that he lived is a joke. He was shown in the ship 5 seconds before the bomb exploded, alfred's vision was a hallucination. Seems simple to me.
So the bat signal and the software patch are red herrings?
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On July 25 2012 22:42 TOloseGT wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2012 22:36 Assault_1 wrote:On July 25 2012 22:22 iaguz wrote:On July 25 2012 21:46 thrawn2112 wrote:On July 25 2012 21:42 Chr15t wrote:On July 22 2012 11:38 shindigs wrote:One tiny suggestion to make the ending pretty sick + Show Spoiler +During Alfred's sequence, they never cut to Bruce. It's just Alfred smiling and then it cuts to whatever/ends. Yea this exactly, if felt like the final cut was there to punch you in the face with obviousness . most people arent smart enough to make the needed connections without that last scene Yes it would definitely be out of Nolans norm to have an ending that requires you to think a little wouldn't it. + Show Spoiler +Am I the only one that still assumes he died? oh well, ill continue assuming it, the evidence supporting that he lived is a joke. He was shown in the ship 5 seconds before the bomb exploded, alfred's vision was a hallucination. Seems simple to me. So the bat signal and the software patch are red herrings?
can you explain? i missed most of the last 10 minutes of the movie because a group of teenagers had decided they'd seen enough and talked and made jokes while they took 10 minutes to leave the theater. it;s liek society as a whole has decided there is no need for the most standard social compromises inside a theater....one of the places where they are most needed
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On July 25 2012 22:46 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2012 22:42 TOloseGT wrote:On July 25 2012 22:36 Assault_1 wrote:On July 25 2012 22:22 iaguz wrote:On July 25 2012 21:46 thrawn2112 wrote:On July 25 2012 21:42 Chr15t wrote:On July 22 2012 11:38 shindigs wrote:One tiny suggestion to make the ending pretty sick + Show Spoiler +During Alfred's sequence, they never cut to Bruce. It's just Alfred smiling and then it cuts to whatever/ends. Yea this exactly, if felt like the final cut was there to punch you in the face with obviousness . most people arent smart enough to make the needed connections without that last scene Yes it would definitely be out of Nolans norm to have an ending that requires you to think a little wouldn't it. + Show Spoiler +Am I the only one that still assumes he died? oh well, ill continue assuming it, the evidence supporting that he lived is a joke. He was shown in the ship 5 seconds before the bomb exploded, alfred's vision was a hallucination. Seems simple to me. So the bat signal and the software patch are red herrings? can you explain? i missed most of the last 10 minutes of the movie because a group of teenagers had decided they'd seen enough and talked and made jokes while they took 10 minutes to leave the theater. it;s liek society as a whole has decided there is no need for the most standard social compromises inside a theater....one of the places where they are most needed
+ Show Spoiler +I'm assuming you watched the Bat fly off with the nuke and detonate.
Alfred goes to the same cafe in Florence he was telling Bruce about near the start of the film, and he locks eyes with Bruce, who is legitly happy and smiling with Selina Kyle by his side. Alfred's wish fulfilled. Preceding this, Nolan shows us a rebuilt bat signal, which clues Gordon in, and Fox discovering that the auto-pilot system was fixed by Bruce prior to his back-breaking incident.
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On July 25 2012 23:00 TOloseGT wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2012 22:46 thrawn2112 wrote:On July 25 2012 22:42 TOloseGT wrote:On July 25 2012 22:36 Assault_1 wrote:On July 25 2012 22:22 iaguz wrote:On July 25 2012 21:46 thrawn2112 wrote:On July 25 2012 21:42 Chr15t wrote:On July 22 2012 11:38 shindigs wrote:One tiny suggestion to make the ending pretty sick + Show Spoiler +During Alfred's sequence, they never cut to Bruce. It's just Alfred smiling and then it cuts to whatever/ends. Yea this exactly, if felt like the final cut was there to punch you in the face with obviousness . most people arent smart enough to make the needed connections without that last scene Yes it would definitely be out of Nolans norm to have an ending that requires you to think a little wouldn't it. + Show Spoiler +Am I the only one that still assumes he died? oh well, ill continue assuming it, the evidence supporting that he lived is a joke. He was shown in the ship 5 seconds before the bomb exploded, alfred's vision was a hallucination. Seems simple to me. So the bat signal and the software patch are red herrings? can you explain? i missed most of the last 10 minutes of the movie because a group of teenagers had decided they'd seen enough and talked and made jokes while they took 10 minutes to leave the theater. it;s liek society as a whole has decided there is no need for the most standard social compromises inside a theater....one of the places where they are most needed + Show Spoiler +I'm assuming you watched the Bat fly off with the nuke and detonate.
Alfred goes to the same cafe in Florence he was telling Bruce about near the start of the film, and he locks eyes with Bruce, who is legitly happy and smiling with Selina Kyle by his side. Alfred's wish fulfilled. Preceding this, Nolan shows us a rebuilt bat signal, which clues Gordon in, and Fox discovering that the auto-pilot system was fixed by Bruce prior to his back-breaking incident.
+ Show Spoiler +so autopilot works and he found a light with bat symbol on it.. how is this better evidence than showing him getting blown up?
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On July 25 2012 23:02 Assault_1 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2012 23:00 TOloseGT wrote:On July 25 2012 22:46 thrawn2112 wrote:On July 25 2012 22:42 TOloseGT wrote:On July 25 2012 22:36 Assault_1 wrote:On July 25 2012 22:22 iaguz wrote:On July 25 2012 21:46 thrawn2112 wrote:On July 25 2012 21:42 Chr15t wrote:On July 22 2012 11:38 shindigs wrote:One tiny suggestion to make the ending pretty sick + Show Spoiler +During Alfred's sequence, they never cut to Bruce. It's just Alfred smiling and then it cuts to whatever/ends. Yea this exactly, if felt like the final cut was there to punch you in the face with obviousness . most people arent smart enough to make the needed connections without that last scene Yes it would definitely be out of Nolans norm to have an ending that requires you to think a little wouldn't it. + Show Spoiler +Am I the only one that still assumes he died? oh well, ill continue assuming it, the evidence supporting that he lived is a joke. He was shown in the ship 5 seconds before the bomb exploded, alfred's vision was a hallucination. Seems simple to me. So the bat signal and the software patch are red herrings? can you explain? i missed most of the last 10 minutes of the movie because a group of teenagers had decided they'd seen enough and talked and made jokes while they took 10 minutes to leave the theater. it;s liek society as a whole has decided there is no need for the most standard social compromises inside a theater....one of the places where they are most needed + Show Spoiler +I'm assuming you watched the Bat fly off with the nuke and detonate.
Alfred goes to the same cafe in Florence he was telling Bruce about near the start of the film, and he locks eyes with Bruce, who is legitly happy and smiling with Selina Kyle by his side. Alfred's wish fulfilled. Preceding this, Nolan shows us a rebuilt bat signal, which clues Gordon in, and Fox discovering that the auto-pilot system was fixed by Bruce prior to his back-breaking incident. + Show Spoiler +so autopilot works and he found a light with bat symbol on it.. how is this better evidence than showing him getting blown up?
A number of things.
1. There is more evidence shown for Bruce's survival than there is for the Bruce's Death.
2. Everyone Bruce cared about is given a hint that Bruce survives.
3. Everyone Bruce cared for had their faith rewarded at one time or another, except for Alfred, who's only wish was for Bruce to be happy.
4. + Show Spoiler +Alfred sees Bruce with Selina Kyle, who Alfred has only met once and had no idea they were together throughout the film.
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Haha, believe what you want about how the ending went. I'm just glad it didn't cut to black right after you saw Alfred at the resturant and before you got to see Bruce again. xD
Idk, I think this movie was a really polished version of your typical superhero-sequel. You have a BIG crisis, a superhero who fights the villian and "loses", the villian takes over and creates chaos, the superhero undergoes some personal developement, and then the superhero comes back with some epic fight scene and beats the villian. Think about all your superhero sequels: the Avengers, Spiderman 3 (of the trilogy) , the second Fantastic 4 movie, all the transformers, etc. So yea, TDKR kinda goes through the same steps. You /knew/ when the movie was going to end. (Heck, of course the movie is going to end when the bomb is dealt with. That's how most "external superforce" movies go. Ranging from films about nuclear bombs, natural disasters, huge alien force, etc.)
But no. Not TDK. The second film had nothing to do with your typical superhero movie. First off, (at least for me), it was really hard for me to know when the movie was about to end when I saw it opening weekend. I seriously thought the movie was almost done right after Joker was caught at the truck-flipping scene. I mean, typically, superhero movies end with the villian getting caught, right? And I was getting ready to get up and leave. But then you get the scene where Harvey gets scarred and Rachel dies. And once again, I thought the movie was over, but then the scene where the hospital blows up occurs. And then I was like "okay. maybe it's done... now?" But NO, you would be wrong again and then you get the scene with two ferries.
I can understand why some people who be really annoyed with that style of movie, but for me, it felt like every scene after the Joker's arrest was wonderful bonus material. You would be prepared for the end of the movie, but it turns out you'll get a whole 10-15 minutes more. And then this process would keep continuing. At one point watching the TDK, I seriously thought the movie was never going to end (in a good way.)
And.... TDKR was kinda like, "well, the bomb crisis is over... so i guess the movie's over."
Also, as a side-note, I also liked TDK more for it's "detective" feel. Batman was trying to outsmart Joker and figure out what the heck Joker was up to. In TDKR... it wasn't so much "detective" work. It was more of your superhero brawl movie. But hey, you can't get everything.
TDRK was a good movie, but my favorite superhero movie will still be TDK :D I really wish more superhero movies emulated TDK.
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Just got back from seeing it on IMAX, and wow, what a mess of a film. I get that we're supposed to suspend disbelief for blockbusters like these, but I'd have needed to completely switch off my brain for this. As for the 'twist', and the ending, it was awfully predictable and very cheesy. The only saving grace was the fine performances by the actors. I'm actually quite worried about Man of Steel now.
This bit actually had me pulling at my hair with disbelief. + Show Spoiler +When Bruce comes back to Gotham and sneaks into see Fox with Selina's help, we see Miranda there with him. This was supposedly after her and Gordon's 'trial' where she's taken away by Bane. We see them subdue Bane's men, and Bruce and Fox go to the secondary Batcave (by the docks) to 'get him back in the game'. I recall Miranda and Bruce exchanging a few words as well. I had assumed that Miranda got out with them, but suddenly, she's back as Bane's prisoner during the final fight and Batman is forced to come save her? WTF? The only explanation I can think of is that 'Talia' stayed back and chose not to escape with Fox and Bruce (to act as a lure later on), but this was never touched upon. Bad writing, bad editing, whatever it was, it was very glaring, and annoying.
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Canada5155 Posts
On July 25 2012 23:38 Telcontar wrote:Just got back from seeing it on IMAX, and wow, what a mess of a film. I get that we're supposed to suspend disbelief for blockbusters like these, but I'd have needed to completely switch off my brain for this. As for the 'twist', and the ending, it was awfully predictable and very cheesy. The only saving grace was the fine performances by the actors. I'm actually quite worried about Man of Steel now. This bit actually had me pulling at my hair with disbelief. + Show Spoiler +When Bruce comes back to Gotham and sneaks into see Fox with Selina's help, we see Miranda there with him. This was supposedly after her and Gordon's 'trial' where she's taken away by Bane. We see them subdue Bane's men, and Bruce and Fox go to the secondary Batcave (by the docks) to 'get him back in the game'. I recall Miranda and Bruce exchanging a few words as well. I had assumed that Miranda got out with them, but suddenly, she's back as Bane's prisoner during the final fight and Batman is forced to come save her? WTF? The only explanation I can think of is that 'Talia' stayed back and chose not to escape with Fox and Bruce (to act as a lure later on), but this was never touched upon. Bad writing, bad editing, whatever it was, it was very glaring, and annoying.
When they "catch" Bruce he tells her that they can't get her out, and that he'll come back for her.
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