EPT[M] The Dark Knight Rises (SPOILERS) - Page 63
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We Are Here
Australia1810 Posts
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cHaNg-sTa
United States1058 Posts
I think some of the fight scene creativity was lacking as well. While you're not gonna get super spiffy action scenes out of Batman, they just felt a lot more creative and "Batman-like" for the lack of a better word in TDK while it just felt a bit more generic in TDKR. Overall, still a good movie. Would watch again definitely. | ||
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Mufaa
219 Posts
On July 23 2012 17:09 cHaNg-sTa wrote: I enjoyed the movie. I think too many people went in with super high expectations after TDK (and I don't blame them) and came out of the movie a little disappointed. While TDK is better than TDKR (and I fully expected this coming into the movie), TDKR still did a great job overall. Honestly, the main thing that bothered me was the audio of the movie, though this could highly be attributed to the movie theater I was in, but I felt like the audio balance was not great with the dialogue being soft (with the exception of Bane) and everything else being very loud. I could barely understand some of the dialogue. I think some of the fight scene creativity was lacking as well. While you're not gonna get super spiffy action scenes out of Batman, they just felt a lot more creative and "Batman-like" for the lack of a better word in TDK while it just felt a bit more generic in TDKR. Overall, still a good movie. Would watch again definitely. That sounds like a theater issue. The theater I was in was the opposite and the sound was perfectly fine, except you couldn't understand a single fucking thing Bane said. | ||
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Supamang
United States2298 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + Just remembering how I felt when the gate closed behind Batman and Bane appeared. The whole sequence just felt brilliantly hopeless. Every hit he lands is useless, every trick he used is stopped. There's no way to escape. All the mercenaries are sitting there watching without caring, knowing Batman's fucked. They made Bane pretty damn scary in that scene, a cage match from hell. It makes me resent Talia's existence in the movie more and more... | ||
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thesideshow
930 Posts
On July 23 2012 17:16 Mufaa wrote: That sounds like a theater issue. The theater I was in was the opposite and the sound was perfectly fine, except you couldn't understand a single fucking thing Bane said. I thought Bane was perfect. | ||
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The Chief
Australia138 Posts
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Defacer
Canada5052 Posts
On July 23 2012 00:59 OneOther wrote: I felt two of the biggest reasons why people (including myself, initially) liked TDK more than TDKR are basically that Heath Ledger was unsurpassable as the villain, although Bane did a nice job; and TDKR as a movie had to do so much more than TDK. It had to answer a lot more questions, tie in many more themes, and try to finish the captivatig series in a deserving fashion. TDK carried a simple job - it showed good versus evil, the corruptable versus uncorruptable. TDKR had to shift its gears much more to cover a complex plot, and that's why it didn't feel as "epic." Still loved it. Frankly, TDK had just as many plot holes as TDR*, but Heath Ledger's performance elevated the film far above the actual material. *Ex: Did anyone else notice that Batman just left the Joker in a room full of party guests after jumping out of the window to save Rachel? | ||
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PH
United States6173 Posts
On July 23 2012 17:09 cHaNg-sTa wrote: I enjoyed the movie. I think too many people went in with super high expectations after TDK (and I don't blame them) and came out of the movie a little disappointed. While TDK is better than TDKR (and I fully expected this coming into the movie), TDKR still did a great job overall. Honestly, the main thing that bothered me was the audio of the movie, though this could highly be attributed to the movie theater I was in, but I felt like the audio balance was not great with the dialogue being soft (with the exception of Bane) and everything else being very loud. I could barely understand some of the dialogue. I think some of the fight scene creativity was lacking as well. While you're not gonna get super spiffy action scenes out of Batman, they just felt a lot more creative and "Batman-like" for the lack of a better word in TDK while it just felt a bit more generic in TDKR. Overall, still a good movie. Would watch again definitely. I had the same sound issue at my theater, and they're well known in LA for having the best overall picture and sound fidelity and quality. I agree with you that the movie was still quite good despite not living up to TDK. The one real problem I do have, though, is just some of the nonsensical stuff done in the movie + Show Spoiler + like the police charging down a narrow street into a wall of gunfire and tanks...then when the two sides meet, they all enter a gentlemen's agreement and suddenly stop using their guns? | ||
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UdderChaos
United Kingdom707 Posts
On July 23 2012 18:54 The Chief wrote: I think the main reason that people are preferring TDK over TDKR is basically just the joker when you think about it. TDKR is a very good movie and well casted, good story line, very Christopher Nolan like etc. etc.. The Joker is just a better villain than bane which is what it comes down to and its just something we all have to live with, heath ledger did an amazing job as the joker which is why that movie went from being very good to being fucking awesome but the same thing can't be said for bane, the movie is very good but it lacked someone like heath ledger taking his character and making it his own. TDKR is a very good movie it's just not AS good as TDK, its just like picking you're favourite LOTR/Star Wars/Harry Potter etc etc etc movie, one will ALWAYS be better than the other for some reason or another and for most people its probably because of The Joker I really disagree with this idea that heath ledgers performance as the joker is the difference between the two films. Tom Hardy's Bane was just as good, if not better than the joker. He was INCREDIBLE in the film. The joker was genius yes, but a lot of his character was developed by his awesome acts, such as the boat bomb, and pencil trick which was script side and had nothing to do with ledgers performance. Not to mention ledgers joker took quite a bit of influence from Jack Nicholson's joker if you watch both the films one after the other (like i did). Bane on the other hand, although he had decent lines, his actual character was pretty poorly written by Nolan standards and yet he still carried the film and was a complete monster in every scene. I think because ledger died people want to sensationalize and immortalize his performance by believing "none will do better", i think Tom Hardy showed this not to be true, and some people don't want to admit that. This is coming from someone who believes that TDK is the best film ever. | ||
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The Chief
Australia138 Posts
On July 23 2012 19:42 UdderChaos wrote: I really disagree with this idea that heath ledgers performance as the joker is the difference between the two films. Tom Hardy's Bane was just as good, if not better than the joker. He was INCREDIBLE in the film. The joker was genius yes, but a lot of his character was developed by his awesome acts, such as the boat bomb, and pencil trick which was script side and had nothing to do with ledgers performance. Not to mention ledgers joker took quite a bit of influence from Jack Nicholson's joker if you watch both the films one after the other (like i did). Bane on the other hand, although he had decent lines, his actual character was pretty poorly written by Nolan standards and yet he still carried the film and was a complete monster in every scene. I think because ledger died people want to sensationalize and immortalize his performance by believing "none will do better", i think Tom Hardy showed this not to be true, and some people don't want to admit that. This is coming from someone who believes that TDK is the best film ever. I'm not pin pointing heath leadger being the only reason the joker was good, im saying most people will like TDK moreso than TDKR because of The Joker (the character) is a better villain than Bane | ||
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UdderChaos
United Kingdom707 Posts
On July 23 2012 19:50 The Chief wrote: I'm not pin pointing heath leadger being the only reason the joker was good, im saying most people will like TDK moreso than TDKR because of The Joker (the character) is a better villain than Bane I totally agree with that, just annoyed when people put it down to ledger vs hardy when i think it was script vs script. | ||
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javy_
United States1677 Posts
On July 23 2012 19:50 The Chief wrote: I'm not pin pointing heath leadger being the only reason the joker was good, im saying most people will like TDK moreso than TDKR because of The Joker (the character) is a better villain than Bane I don't really think one villian is better than the other. Simply, The Joker is disturbing while Bane is terrifying. | ||
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Testuser
6469 Posts
Making sure everyone knows that there won't be a fourth, yet ending TDR in a way that just seems like a massive prelude ... requires balls. | ||
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EpiK
Korea (South)5757 Posts
I know heath ledger's joker is amazing and pretty much accepted as the definitive joker now, but I still miss Hamill's voice from the animated series. That laugh still gives me chills. Just ran into some others. He apparently does the Joker's voice from TDK in hamill's voice. This guy is simply amazing. + Show Spoiler + | ||
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GenghisKhan
United Kingdom68 Posts
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Brett
Australia3820 Posts
Robin reveal. It felt dumbed down, given they'd basically already told us that he was going to take up the Batman mantle. The "use your real name Robin" felt contrived Edit: Zzzz added spoiler tag. Don't know why you'd come into a thread meant for discussion about the movie after it has released without seeing it... | ||
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Aerisky
United States12128 Posts
So much stuff that isn't in spoilers  especially the Robin part. I feel robbed  Pretty interesting that all major Hollywood studios decided not to release box office numbers out of respect for the victims in the Aurora shooting. Alright time to stay away from thie thread now. | ||
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EpiK
Korea (South)5757 Posts
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nebffa
Australia776 Posts
I went to see this movie today on my own because no-one else I knew was available at a good time to go see it myself. When Batman Begins came out it was instantly my favourite movie I'd ever seen because of its dark themes yet it still remained compelling. When The Dark Knight came out it instantly became my favourite movie because it was like Batman Begins but even better. I had to see The Dark Knight Rises without being spoiled. Wow - this movie was amazing. I know there are some odd points to it - like the hallucination of Ras Al Ghul and the young guy who becomes Robin 'knowing' Bruce Wayne is Batman - odd points I don't feel The Dark Knight had as many of. Yet this movie did a lot more than The Dark Knight. It had more main characters, a more extreme plot (not necessarily better, but more happening - e.g. a nuclear threat vs chaos), a just-as-serious bad guy as in film #2. As I read this thread I can't help but think that people are looking at this movie so as to compare it to the second one. I think anyone can understand that is a harsh comparison to make - the second film was an extraordinary film. I was going to say The Dark Knight Rises was probably the most anticipated film of 2012, but in actual fact it plain is the most anticipated film of 2012. Of course some people are going to be let down by some things. The Dark Knight didn't have that problem, at least to this magnitude. I was bothered by some things in the film as I was watching it, yes, but I was able to be ok with it because I knew that the film was trying to do more things than The Dark Knight was. The pros: Supporting cast just as good as last 3 films Great villains (Bane + Ras Al Ghul's daughter working in tandem - contrary to many people saying Ras Al Ghul's daughter stole the spotlight - fuck that, if people paid attention to the film they would get they work TOGETHER) Catwoman + her story. Really great, at one point I had tears in my eyes at an interaction her and Batman had Plot Tied up all the loose ends I could think of (how often do trilogy endings do this - in a way that really rocks?) The cons: Had to move so fast that the dialogue was quicker than The Dark Knight - even at 2hrs 36min I noticed this film had to have the characters have less pauses to fit everything in Couldn't make out some of the things Bane said - not many, but it made me wonder why they didn't just do a retake or something All in all - FUCKING AWESOME. Christopher Nolan's Batman is now my favourite trilogy ever made and I am that director's fanboy for a fucking long time because of it. In my opinion you should see this film | ||
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Oktyabr
Singapore2234 Posts
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