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The way I interpret the end:
+ Show Spoiler +I see a lot of people complaining that Batman didn't die in the end.
Batman did die! That side of Bruce was laid to rest. Gotham needed a true hero, an inspiration to look up to. Bruce was looking to move on with his life, however Batman couldn't just disappear, leaving the city without a fallen hero to look up to. Bruce never told anyone he had fixed the auto pilot because he didn't want anyone to know that Batman had survived. He's the hero Gotham deserves, and the one it got.
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Was anyone else cheering/pulling for Bane?
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On July 23 2012 08:32 xrapture wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2012 08:16 TheRabidDeer wrote:On July 23 2012 08:06 xrapture wrote:
Eh, 6/10 from me-- slightly worse than the Dark Knight. Way too many plot holes. Bane and Miranda had very anti climactic deaths and the movie just didn't feel complete.
I mean 3000 Police Officers trapped for 5 months are given enough food/water to survive and be able to fight as soon as the rocks are broken? And where the hell are they shitting and pissing? + Show Spoiler +They are trapped in the sewer system... you know, where all of the entire cities shit and piss goes. If 6/10 is slightly worse than TDK, have you ever had a movie rated higher than an 8? Yep. Pulp Fiction, Fight Club, The Godfather, Star Wars, Alien, + many others. Extremely over dramatic super hero movies aren't exactly my thing. TDK was done well and the Joker was played fantastically, but when you don't tie up plot lines, hand hold your viewer for the hold movie, and have so many cliches the movie is going to suffer. Also, I didn't really see any running water where the cops were + they were sealed in from rocks. So even if there was a small amount of water running beneath their feet, you expect me to believe that if 3000 tightly packed men were pissing and shitting while malnourished and unbathed for 5 months none of them would get sick?
over dramatic super heroes arent your thing but you rate fight club a 9 or 10? a movie about a guy with an alter ego who saves the world through overly dramatic statements?
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+ Show Spoiler +Who said Bane died really though, and Batman can not die until the 3rd Justice league movie...
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On July 23 2012 11:48 FeUerFlieGe wrote:The way I interpret the end: + Show Spoiler +I see a lot of people complaining that Batman didn't die in the end.
Batman did die! That side of Bruce was laid to rest. Gotham needed a true hero, an inspiration to look up to. Bruce was looking to move on with his life, however Batman couldn't just disappear, leaving the city without a fallen hero to look up to. Bruce never told anyone he had fixed the auto pilot because he didn't want anyone to know that Batman had survived. He's the hero Gotham deserves, and the one it got.
That's actually quite brilliant
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+ Show Spoiler +In BB, when Ra is introduced, Scarecrow gets removed as the center bad guy without ever getting properly taken down. He just fades into the background of the movie.
In TDRK, the same happens when Talia pops brutally into the movie. It didn't really occur to me that this happened to Scarecrow before I saw the new movie because it didn't really bother me in BB because I don't think Scarecrow was such a compelling villain. However it annoyed the shit out of me in TDRK when it happens to Bane because he's such an AMAZING villain throughout the entire movie. Talia shouldn't have been in that movie. Bane's performance is strong enough to stand on his own, and the fact he gets stripped of his villain-role that way at the end of the movie is the biggest mistake Nolan did the way I see it.
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It is a bit funny that people get worked up over "plot holes" like, "where did the cops shit," and , "how did bruce get back to gotham so fast." Not to say that things like that certainly require stretches of the imagination, but compared to your average action movie this trilogy has been faaaaar more believable in the plot construction compared to most.
As for the movie itself, I think it was fantastic, but still a step down from the dark knight. TDK was one of those rare movies with a truly compelling and dark bad guy. Specifically, the line from alfred: "some men just want to see the world burn" was played out so powerfully in the joker. Hardy did a great job with bane (and epicness of bad guy's death...why do you care? I can't figure out why people care how the bad guy dies) and I thought talia added a lot of intrigue. Still, it didn't have that truly dark feel of TDK.
Great movie overall, only being harsh because the bar was set so high.
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+ Show Spoiler +Just saw it today and I gotta say I enjoyed the movie I went in kinda eh and left happy for my money. I do think Bane should have just stayed the 1 bad guy I think that is one of the few things I thought was wrong with this movie it didn't need that chick jumping in. (also after inception I can't look at that chick and not think she is pure evil)
I thought the ending was ok but eh some parts of the plot were kinda stupid and there was not nearly enough fight scenes with Batman. I think the movie would have been better if Batman knocked the mask off Bane and just beat him to death. Also another thing that pissed me off was the cops just like running into a hail of automatic weapons and basically tanks in a big group lol. Wtf was that. Urgh anyway I give the movie a 8/10 worth it to see but the Dark Knight was much better overall. I really hope they do more because these are still much better quality movies than the majority that come out.
By the way to the one guy that has Alien and Star wars and shit as way better movies you must be high. Sure maybe the new ones were good but comeon man the old Star Wars are meh at best.
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Russian Federation4447 Posts
Loved Bane.
Tyrannical ruthlessness.
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"You have my permission to die"
"Hang them"
Loved him.
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On July 23 2012 11:49 unteqair wrote:
Was anyone else cheering/pulling for Bane?
*raises hand*
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I can't believe all these complaints about shit like not seeing him travel from the middle east back to gotham... would the movie really have been enriched in any significant way by a montage of him hitch hiking to a port city, sneaking on to a transatlantic freighter, hopping a cargo train to the city neighboring gotham, then stealing some scuba gear to swim across the channel? That's exactly the way he was living before he met Ra's Al Ghul in Batman Begins. Or did everyone just not catch that in the scene before he got free the bomb still had like a month left, and when he re-arrives in gotham it only had 24 hours? Were you thinking it had to be some miraculous over-night thing?
Of course if they had included a scene like that (or even if they had emphasized the passage of time more) then there would just be five more people in this thread complaining about "hand holding" and "spoon feeding" the story or some other ridiculous knit-pick.
And don't get me started on the complaints about the motivations of Bane and Talia...
It seems like every TL movie thread turns into this as soon as the movie is out, regardless of whether the movie was good, bad, decent, it just becomes a circle jerk of people trying to psycho analyze the characters or pick apart every chain of events to find a flaw that they can call out. Guess what, none of this shit really happened, it was all fake put together for our entertainment and if you look close enough you can see the seems. The movies where you think this doesn't happen are just the ones where you weren't looking for the flaws. "No wai! X movie was almost perfect!" No it wasn't, it just had different flaws. You were either too young or not jaded/disenfranchised enough when you first saw it to care, or for any number of other reasons were in a more conducive state of mind when you watched those movies.
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Overall, really good movie. Not as good as The Dark Knight, but could you honestly expect it to be?
My main two complaints are:
+ Show Spoiler +I think the Bane character was a bit mishandled, especially at the end. Tying him to the League of Shadows wasn't necessary, and isn't really part of his canon.
There wasn't quite enough "bat-action" for me, compared to the first two. It could have used more scenes of Batman just whooping bad-guy ass.
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Can't wait to go see it this week!
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On July 23 2012 11:48 FeUerFlieGe wrote:The way I interpret the end: + Show Spoiler +I see a lot of people complaining that Batman didn't die in the end.
Batman did die! That side of Bruce was laid to rest. Gotham needed a true hero, an inspiration to look up to. Bruce was looking to move on with his life, however Batman couldn't just disappear, leaving the city without a fallen hero to look up to. Bruce never told anyone he had fixed the auto pilot because he didn't want anyone to know that Batman had survived. He's the hero Gotham deserves, and the one it got.
I don't even see this as an interpretation - this is what you should have gotten' if you paid attention to the movie... How people didn't get this, especially after the Alfred/Michael Caine/"Robin" Blake/JGL parts, I will never know. Regardless, that is what Nolan intended for his ending.
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On July 23 2012 13:21 lynx.oblige wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2012 11:48 FeUerFlieGe wrote:The way I interpret the end: + Show Spoiler +I see a lot of people complaining that Batman didn't die in the end.
Batman did die! That side of Bruce was laid to rest. Gotham needed a true hero, an inspiration to look up to. Bruce was looking to move on with his life, however Batman couldn't just disappear, leaving the city without a fallen hero to look up to. Bruce never told anyone he had fixed the auto pilot because he didn't want anyone to know that Batman had survived. He's the hero Gotham deserves, and the one it got. I don't even see this as an interpretation - this is what you should have gotten' if you paid attention to the movie... How people didn't get this, especially after the Alfred/Michael Caine/"Robin" Blake/JGL parts, I will never know. Regardless, that is what Nolan intended for his ending.
+ Show Spoiler +Ignoring using Batman and Bruce synonymously, i meant that i wanted them all to die.. Batman, Bruce, Mr Wayne, Christian Bale.. <---- that guy.. dead.. = better ending in my opinion
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Well, not particularly you, a lot of other people in this thread are asking questions that were all answered by the movie, especially when it comes to the ending.
+ Show Spoiler +There's even like a whole scene where Fox wanted to know what he could have done to maybe save Batman/Wayne and they find out the autopilot has already been fixed.
I don't know if I wanted Wayne to die but I was also actually expecting him to, lol. I am quite satisfied with the ending though.
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I went into the movie with an open mind and I very pleased with it. It was a very smartly produced and the way the characters are represented was just a work of art. Very well made and a good sequel to the best movie of all time.
+ Show Spoiler +That first fight scene with Bane was just brutal. Great story telling as well.
Great movie is great.
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I loved it! Though I thought some parts could of have been done a bit differently to make it better.
+ Show Spoiler +As soon as they said Raz had offspring I should of known it was not bane cause she was a semi important character was she not? So as soon as she popped into the movie I was like "omg of course". I expected him to die when he was talking to cat woman and he said "I haven't given them everything yet" and I thought it would of been better if he had died but I don't feel too strongly about it. The thing with Robin kinda was weird because what does he become batman? His name isn't the same as any of the Robins in the comics but w/e. Overall loved the movie and some of the music/sounds were epic as hell.
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On July 23 2012 12:36 CajunMan wrote:
By the way to the one guy that has Alien and Star wars and shit as way better movies you must be high. Sure maybe the new ones were good but comeon man the old Star Wars are meh at best.
If that's what you think, you don't deserve to have an opinion about any movie. Ever.
Alien and the original Star Wars trilogy are classics, and some of the best ever in their respective genres.
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On July 23 2012 13:43 Slaughter wrote:I loved it! Though I thought some parts could of have been done a bit differently to make it better. + Show Spoiler +As soon as they said Raz had offspring I should of known it was not bane cause she was a semi important character was she not? So as soon as she popped into the movie I was like "omg of course". I expected him to die when he was talking to cat woman and he said "I haven't given them everything yet" and I thought it would of been better if he had died but I don't feel too strongly about it. The thing with Robin kinda was weird because what does he become batman? His name isn't the same as any of the Robins in the comics but w/e. Overall loved the movie and some of the music/sounds were epic as hell.
+ Show Spoiler +Yeah, that was the main tell for me, how Robin was actually in his name. None of the Robin's are actually called Robin after all, the same way Batman's real name is not fuckin' Batman lol. This is supposedly the end of this continuity so as Nolan tends to do sometimes, evidenced by the spinning top in Inception, he just left the ending a bit open ended there. Not a cliff hanger mind you, some of the more important questions were answered, much like Inception yet again, but there is that final thought provoking bit that he leaves in there.
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