[M] The Dark Knight Rises (SPOILERS) - Page 60

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1) When the cops fight the bad guys. What the hell happened? The bad guys have tanks and assault rifles. They used a lot of grenades and other explosives throughout the movie. Cops, on the other hand, only have handguns + possibly a small number of properly equipped SWAT teams. Cops just WALK in a big group in one direction. WALK against tanks until just ONE tank is blown up by the bat. Fast forward one minute, we have a melee fight.

By the way it felt like hand-to-hand combat in this movie was much worse than in previous installations, with the exception of the very last Batman vs Bane fight.


2) While in prison why would Bane protect the child? Me and my friends joked that he must be a pedophile. Or maybe he had a thing for her mother ... but he was quite fanatic about protecting her. Speaking about fanaticism, why are all the terrorists so loyal to Bane \ Talia? In the end it seemed like they knew who Talia is - they were taking direct orders from her ... so it takes just one, just one guy to spill it ... and it never happened?

I get the suspension of disbelief and everything, but sometimes it's just too much.

The whole scene at the end was awful, with the police charging the criminals and that useless cop arriving in full uniform, made me want to laugh with how corny that was. The criminals had full automatics and they decided to fight hand to hand, and how the hell is anyone going to muster the strength to do anything in a fight after being stuck in a hole for 5 months. Did they have a gym down there? Batman is the DARK knight, not the fights in a crowd in broad daylight knight. What happened to the batman that fought with stealth like in the first movie? Watching him take out 8 armed guys by just showing up between them and having 95% of them charge him without firing their weapons was just awful.

Alfred leaving was so random too, how is that going to force Wayne too quit? All he's doing is abandoning him and leaving him to treat his wounds by himself, rather than having someone that knows his secret and can help him when shit hits the fan. Goes from "I want you live happy" to "I'm leaving, being your only real family and confidant because....maybe you'll quit?".

My favorite scenes were in the prison, never knew you could fix a broken back by simply slamming your palm into the vertebrae and tying someone up to the roof. The doctor was great too, speaks one language for most of his scenes and then out of nowhere he's pumping out fluent english and is now the #1 source for knowing how to get out of the prison (even though he obviously never did it himself).

Anyone want to explain how a child finds Ra's and a secret organization of super well trained ninjas? Did they have an advertisement or something? In the first movie they had Ra's al Ghul come to Bruce Wayne, not the other way around. What was up with the daughter sleeping with Wayne out of nowhere? Was there any build up there? Any reasoning behind that scene or was it there just fill up some time? Maybe make her betrayal more "painful" even though it's really just meaningless sex since neither of them seemed to have any relationship (Bruce shunned her before this movie everytime she tried to talk to him).Ra's should teach his daughter how to act too, her death scene was awful.

I could understand in the first two movies how no one knew it was Bruce Wayne as batman because really all the batman had was his suit and the sick vehicle (still a little close there but it's believable). How can no one tell who it is now? The guys flying around in a super hightech flying machine, has the bike AND the new batmobile. Who the hell else has those types of resources? Not only that, but Bruce Wayne decides to hide from the world right when batman disappears, and then when Batman reappears, Bruce is back out in public again. Really a deep puzzle there.

I wouldn't mind any of this stuff if the entire reason Nolan's movies were so praised was because they are supposed to be REALISTIC (in most aspects), gritty and dark. Going for the cliche "I'm going to blow up your city with a nuke" and have batman fly out and sacrafice himself (actually survived an atom bomb while being right near it only a few seconds before) was sad. There's tons of holes in this movie and I feel like Nolan sold out to make an epic finale that didn't come close to the last two movies.

Now that I'm rethinking about the end, its a little bit A LA Inception... Its kind of open-ended.

Gordon (is that his name?) could be hallucinating Bruce and Catwoman? Didn't he say in a beautiful scene he always dream of seeing him taking a wife and living a normal life?

I think you mean Alfred (Michael Cain). And yeah hes talking about seeing bruce in florence with his wife every year when he went on vacation and at the end of the movie it happens.

You missed the part at the end where they discover that Wayne had fixed the autopilot mechanism on the craft. He wasn't in it when the nuke went off.

I hope to god you are trolling, though. The new Spiderman movie was actually quite bad.

What was the point of the entire Cleanslate subplot? Just added motivation for catwoman?

Fight at the end: for me I was okay with it through suspension of disbelief... the entire situation was kind of ridiculous to begin with (trapping thousands of cops in sewers with expertly placed explosives so that Bane can... uh... hold a city hostage with a nuke that he plans to blow up regardless? If they know the nuke was a timebomb, then why the hell do they want to suicide along with it? Ra's wanted to clean Gotham by razing it to the ground to build it back up, which involves killing people, but not exterminating millions with a nuke. Wtf?), so this extension of the situation I was fine with

Alfred: well, he was emotional! People aren't rational when they're emotional

Prison guys full of wisdom: yep, that was pretty random, but not so bad for suspension of disbelief, except no idea why he switched to English

Talia: I think Ra's would know about anybody escaping the Lazarus Pit, especially his own daughter. However, I 100% agree with "What was up with the daughter sleeping with Wayne out of nowhere? Was there any build up there? Any reasoning behind that scene or was it there just fill up some time?"

Bruce = Batman: I was wondering that during the movie too. The Bat pushes believability more than the tank does, but honestly I don't see a way for Nolan to get around that. Maybe many people assume that Batman is backed by a billionaire such as Wayne, but not necessarily that Batman is Wayne himself

I think... I think the finale should have been something close and intimate, not something so grandiose (exact same plot as + Show Spoiler +, by the way)... although this ending would have been great, if Batman had actually died, because how badass of an ending is that? It took a NUKE to kill the Batman!

Star Wars and Alien make your list.. but the dark knight and the dark knight rises get a <6/10 - insanity!

1) Bain should have died WAY MORE epic than the way he did - even if he dies in the fight with Batman outside City Hall in a hand to hand combat scene
and 2) Batman SHOULD HAVE DIED IN THE END!!!!!!!!

Maybe because i am a massive fanboy of this trilogy and Nolan's work on it but i would have given The Dark Knight a 9/10 and this one an 8/10