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OneOther
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States10774 Posts
July 22 2012 15:59 GMT
#1141
I felt two of the biggest reasons why people (including myself, initially) liked TDK more than TDKR are basically that Heath Ledger was unsurpassable as the villain, although Bane did a nice job; and TDKR as a movie had to do so much more than TDK. It had to answer a lot more questions, tie in many more themes, and try to finish the captivatig series in a deserving fashion. TDK carried a simple job - it showed good versus evil, the corruptable versus uncorruptable. TDKR had to shift its gears much more to cover a complex plot, and that's why it didn't feel as "epic." Still loved it.
Tsutchie
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia951 Posts
July 22 2012 16:25 GMT
#1142
On July 23 2012 00:26 pyro19 wrote:
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On July 23 2012 00:18 UdderChaos wrote:
On July 22 2012 20:49 Supamang wrote:
On July 22 2012 18:26 Existential wrote:
Late post but I watched this at a midnight premier in. The movie was soooo awesome. Catwoman was just amazing. Only problem I had with the movie was Bane's voice. Was kinda hard to understand him from time to time.

Don't worry, this is the only line you need to understand


About Bane, I loved him as a villain but there were a few gripes:
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Talia's existence diminished his status pretty significantly in my eyes. He went from being the leading badass in chief to merely 2nd in command. I also feel that because of Talia's existence, they didn't develop Bane as much as they could have. What's the point developing Bane completely if he's only gonna be a henchman to a different bad guy in the end? I seriously think if they focused on Bane as the main villain all the way to the end he could have been developed to be as epic of a character as the Joker was.

To me, Bane was frightening because he was this overpowering, unstoppable guy. He had intellect and physical abilities that couldn't be matched. If he wanted you dead he would find you and end you.

The Joker was frightening because he was so devious and unpredictable. He'd fuck you up just on whim in the cruelest way possible just for his amusement. And even if you were physically more capable than him, there's nothing you can do to subject him to your will or otherwise break him.

I just wish they could have developed Bane more.


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I actually completely agree with you there. When i went to see this film i thought "ok bane isn't going to be as good as the joker, but maybe the plot will be better" But infact it was the other way round. Hardy's performance of bane was amazing, just as good as heath's joker. For me he carried the film. The plot on the other hand let him down. His motivations were poorly thought out, unclear and nonsensical, the bomb going off anyways and the false hope thing made no sense, the fact he was partly doing it for the girl diminished his character. It's like they kind of ruined him in the last 15 minutes, he died really pathetically, with a cheesy line from catwomen, and then further insult to his image, turns out he was working for someone else and he was only a henchman, and that someone else was only doing all this shit because she was pissed at batman killing her father.

I assumed that bane was going to reveal some master plan at the end and the twist would be that he had another reason and a second plan with some awesome climax, instead i was left wanting to leave the cinema after bane died, i knew batman wouldn't die because of Alfred's speech about the cafe, and that i didn't care about the girl, which i cant even remember her name she was so underdeveloped,, despite being the main baddy. Also hated the Hollywood-esque ending with the batman's dead, lolz actually not really, trollface. Kind of expected better from nolan, if batman doesn't die, he doesn't die, and if he does, do it properly. The whole bomb in the sunset with the autopilot was so cheesy. Also he didnt have the balls, like the TDK to kill off at least one of the main characters. Bane could have easily killed Morgan freeman and it would have been chilling, if bane hung him or something from the bridge like the others, and would have helped developed bane


The film was still brilliant by normal movie standards, but i defiantly think it was no TDK.


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Too True.....The Way they made bane just another Henchman in the space of few minutes was so Weak...He dies in such an anticlimatic fashion anyways


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bane wasn't shown to be dead unlike talia, and in comics unless they show you as dead like talia, u can assume he is still alive. actually, even then characters can come back to life. and the ending can also be interpreted as alfred fantasizing
Assault_1
Profile Joined April 2009
Canada1950 Posts
July 22 2012 16:27 GMT
#1143
about the end..
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why is everyone assuming bruce is still alive? I didn't even consider he was alive until one of my friends mentioned it. Alfred's cafe thing was just a hallucination (he said before he visions them all the time, he also drank something right before).. so is there something I'm missing? it even showed him in the ship 5 seconds before it exploded
Doctorbeat
Profile Joined May 2011
Netherlands13241 Posts
July 22 2012 16:35 GMT
#1144
Saw it yesterday night, definitely a worthy ending to the trilogy but not exceeding TDK.

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The performance of Anne Hathaway blew me away. The best female role in the entire trilogy. Hardy's Bane was good, but not exceptional, like Ledger's Joker. The breaking of the bat was the most haunting scene of all 3 movies, easily. In a way Bane was a better villain than the Joker (the Joker was about causing chaos, not about 'cleansing Gotham'. Gotham is the Joker's playground, he wouldn't just destroy it.), but the weak point was the inclusion of Talia imo. Even though it gave a bit more depth to the story, it felt a bit forced (the reveal of her was totally unexpected though!). I mean, Batman beat Bane, so you are waiting for something to go wrong for him. Maybe I'll like it more when I rewatch it.
Alfred at the end at Bruce's grave was a soulcrushing scene. I definitely heard a few sobs in the theatre. The supporting cast really has been superb. Caine/Freeman/Gordon-Levitt/Oldman/Hathaway etc etc, all were great. I expected a bit more from Marion Cotillard (Talia is supposed to be a member of the League of Shadows, a trained and skillful assassin), she dies to easily imo.
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altec1011
Profile Joined April 2011
92 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-22 16:46:31
July 22 2012 16:43 GMT
#1145
On July 23 2012 01:27 Assault_1 wrote:
about the end..
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why is everyone assuming bruce is still alive? I didn't even consider he was alive until one of my friends mentioned it. Alfred's cafe thing was just a hallucination (he said before he visions them all the time, he also drank something right before).. so is there something I'm missing? it even showed him in the ship 5 seconds before it exploded


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He is alive. If you rewatch the ending scenes, they talk about how the Bat had it's autopilot fixed 6 months ago, which means Bruce used it to escape the explosion. Then right after the lady says she likes the name "Robin", they talk about the missing pearl necklace which I'm assuming is what Bruce took to give it to Selina. Bruce moved on with his life and allowed Robin to take over by giving him the co-ordinates to the batcave.
Sacrilege
Profile Joined December 2011
United States199 Posts
July 22 2012 17:12 GMT
#1146
[/QUOTE]

The biggest plot hole is how Batman managed to get back into Gotham in the first place. All the bridges out of town were destroyed except for the one barricaded by the Army. Bane declared that if anyone entered or left the city, he would order his triggerman to detonate the bomb.[/QUOTE]

Well he is able to disappear randomly into thin air when talking to everyone. :D
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llSpektrll
Profile Joined September 2011
United States77 Posts
July 22 2012 17:44 GMT
#1147
Bane was awesome but certainly 2nd place to the king. Was anyone else shaking their heads at how cheesy some of the lines were? I enjoyed it but i would rank it 3rd of the trilogy. I felt like there were so many "...next time im takin the stairs" (after a crash or something) lines. Catwoman mounting the bike...gg
TheRealPaciFist
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1049 Posts
July 22 2012 17:58 GMT
#1148
On July 22 2012 19:36 Kazeyonoma wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2012 17:56 TheRealPaciFist wrote:
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On July 21 2012 23:44 flamewheel wrote:
The stock market part was ludicrous. Yeah okay, BainBane and company bust the stock market, and obviously tamper with it. Next day, the richest man in the world loses all his money? Yeah okay this is believable.

Ms. Tate--I mean, Talia--was way too predictable. And why bother with the whole "I'm giving this city back to the people" when you're going to blow it up anyway? Attempting to inspire false hope is one thing. Having your plot foiled by Batman when you shouldn't have waited 100+ days is another.

And my biggest gripe... Batman staying alive. The bit about autopilot being fixed "6 months prior [to the invasion of Gotham]" is null in that you see that Batman is piloting the Bat when he's dragging the fusion core out... And how can Batman escape a 6-mile blast radius over open water? Obviously, there's some small escape pod attached to the Bat. Yet when the timer shows 10 seconds and you see Batman still in the cockpit of the Bat? That's one fast escape. I'd have rather Batman stayed dead. We already have the replacement--Mr. "Robin" John Blake, and all the loose ends are tied up regarding Bruce's life. I almost want to go along with the fan theory that Alfred at the end was just hallucinating when he saw Bruce and Selina together.


On the stock exchange scene: that was one of those moments that confused me at first, then I figured it would make sense later, and then I forgot about it, and only 'till now did I realize that it never made sense.

Completely agree with Talia + Bruce's death


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What? the stock market part was 100% explained, it's why they stole his fingerprints in the first place, to cause falsely use his account to invest his money in places where he'd be worthless, this isn't so hard to believe to be able to do by someone as resourceful and intelligent as bane. This is also further explained, almost completely, by Dagget's reaction later, in that it was all part of his plot to gain the majority power in Wayne Enterprises. What wasn't there to understand or believe?

As for the giving the city back to the people, it was exactly explained by Bane when he put Wayne in the Pit. You only truly understand despair, if you have hope. You let the people think they can survive, and make it out, and give them HOPE, only to crush it all with the inevitable death anyways. THATS true terror and chaos. It also furthers the helplessness of the outside world to help, something they like to instill further into the globe. They want to not just shut down Gotham, but leave a lasting mark on the world everytime they 'reset' the most powerful city/states. To show that not only did they destroy the greatest city of America, but to hold not just Gotham but the entire USA/world hostage while all they can do is stand by and watch. THAT is terrorism.

Bruce's death, oh wells, it was probably something that he had originally planned to actually kill him off, but early screenings had people saying they would've liked Bruce to live, or WB forced him to write that part in so they can continue the Batman movie genre without Nolan if they wanted. Just because you see Batman in the 'cockpit' doesn't mean he wasn't already in the escape pod while the plane was flying off, it could've easily been explained that after he blew up the building to make way for his final escape, he jetison'd there in the cloud while the Bat took off on autopilot.


+ Show Spoiler +

Doesn't make sense that a billionaire wouldn't have reserves outside of stocks that are harder to touch.

But, I rest my case, the stock exchange stuff makes sense... I plead the I-was-sleepy-last-night excuse =)

And as for the giving-the-city-back-to-the-people: my problem was that the League of Shadows is supposed to be an organization of people who want to help the world. They wanted to destroy Gotham in BB because it was crime infested and hopeless. Now in DKR they want to destroy this great, almost crime-free city... why? Because Talia's upset that her dad's dead.

League of Shadows is NOT supposed to be like the Joker, who tortures people for the sake of torturing them (and would be willing to give them hope just to amplify the hopelessness)

[/spoiler]
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Chargelot
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
2275 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-22 19:01:03
July 22 2012 19:00 GMT
#1149
On July 23 2012 02:58 TheRealPaciFist wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2012 19:36 Kazeyonoma wrote:
On July 22 2012 17:56 TheRealPaciFist wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +


On July 21 2012 23:44 flamewheel wrote:
The stock market part was ludicrous. Yeah okay, BainBane and company bust the stock market, and obviously tamper with it. Next day, the richest man in the world loses all his money? Yeah okay this is believable.

Ms. Tate--I mean, Talia--was way too predictable. And why bother with the whole "I'm giving this city back to the people" when you're going to blow it up anyway? Attempting to inspire false hope is one thing. Having your plot foiled by Batman when you shouldn't have waited 100+ days is another.

And my biggest gripe... Batman staying alive. The bit about autopilot being fixed "6 months prior [to the invasion of Gotham]" is null in that you see that Batman is piloting the Bat when he's dragging the fusion core out... And how can Batman escape a 6-mile blast radius over open water? Obviously, there's some small escape pod attached to the Bat. Yet when the timer shows 10 seconds and you see Batman still in the cockpit of the Bat? That's one fast escape. I'd have rather Batman stayed dead. We already have the replacement--Mr. "Robin" John Blake, and all the loose ends are tied up regarding Bruce's life. I almost want to go along with the fan theory that Alfred at the end was just hallucinating when he saw Bruce and Selina together.


On the stock exchange scene: that was one of those moments that confused me at first, then I figured it would make sense later, and then I forgot about it, and only 'till now did I realize that it never made sense.

Completely agree with Talia + Bruce's death


+ Show Spoiler +

What? the stock market part was 100% explained, it's why they stole his fingerprints in the first place, to cause falsely use his account to invest his money in places where he'd be worthless, this isn't so hard to believe to be able to do by someone as resourceful and intelligent as bane. This is also further explained, almost completely, by Dagget's reaction later, in that it was all part of his plot to gain the majority power in Wayne Enterprises. What wasn't there to understand or believe?

As for the giving the city back to the people, it was exactly explained by Bane when he put Wayne in the Pit. You only truly understand despair, if you have hope. You let the people think they can survive, and make it out, and give them HOPE, only to crush it all with the inevitable death anyways. THATS true terror and chaos. It also furthers the helplessness of the outside world to help, something they like to instill further into the globe. They want to not just shut down Gotham, but leave a lasting mark on the world everytime they 'reset' the most powerful city/states. To show that not only did they destroy the greatest city of America, but to hold not just Gotham but the entire USA/world hostage while all they can do is stand by and watch. THAT is terrorism.

Bruce's death, oh wells, it was probably something that he had originally planned to actually kill him off, but early screenings had people saying they would've liked Bruce to live, or WB forced him to write that part in so they can continue the Batman movie genre without Nolan if they wanted. Just because you see Batman in the 'cockpit' doesn't mean he wasn't already in the escape pod while the plane was flying off, it could've easily been explained that after he blew up the building to make way for his final escape, he jetison'd there in the cloud while the Bat took off on autopilot.


+ Show Spoiler +

Doesn't make sense that a billionaire wouldn't have reserves outside of stocks that are harder to touch.

But, I rest my case, the stock exchange stuff makes sense... I plead the I-was-sleepy-last-night excuse =)

And as for the giving-the-city-back-to-the-people: my problem was that the League of Shadows is supposed to be an organization of people who want to help the world. They wanted to destroy Gotham in BB because it was crime infested and hopeless. Now in DKR they want to destroy this great, almost crime-free city... why? Because Talia's upset that her dad's dead.

League of Shadows is NOT supposed to be like the Joker, who tortures people for the sake of torturing them (and would be willing to give them hope just to amplify the hopelessness)


+ Show Spoiler +
Bane was exiled from the League of Shadows for a reason.
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Kamma
Profile Joined June 2011
Denmark111 Posts
July 22 2012 19:09 GMT
#1150
On July 23 2012 04:00 Chargelot wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2012 02:58 TheRealPaciFist wrote:
On July 22 2012 19:36 Kazeyonoma wrote:
On July 22 2012 17:56 TheRealPaciFist wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +


On July 21 2012 23:44 flamewheel wrote:
The stock market part was ludicrous. Yeah okay, BainBane and company bust the stock market, and obviously tamper with it. Next day, the richest man in the world loses all his money? Yeah okay this is believable.

Ms. Tate--I mean, Talia--was way too predictable. And why bother with the whole "I'm giving this city back to the people" when you're going to blow it up anyway? Attempting to inspire false hope is one thing. Having your plot foiled by Batman when you shouldn't have waited 100+ days is another.

And my biggest gripe... Batman staying alive. The bit about autopilot being fixed "6 months prior [to the invasion of Gotham]" is null in that you see that Batman is piloting the Bat when he's dragging the fusion core out... And how can Batman escape a 6-mile blast radius over open water? Obviously, there's some small escape pod attached to the Bat. Yet when the timer shows 10 seconds and you see Batman still in the cockpit of the Bat? That's one fast escape. I'd have rather Batman stayed dead. We already have the replacement--Mr. "Robin" John Blake, and all the loose ends are tied up regarding Bruce's life. I almost want to go along with the fan theory that Alfred at the end was just hallucinating when he saw Bruce and Selina together.


On the stock exchange scene: that was one of those moments that confused me at first, then I figured it would make sense later, and then I forgot about it, and only 'till now did I realize that it never made sense.

Completely agree with Talia + Bruce's death


+ Show Spoiler +

What? the stock market part was 100% explained, it's why they stole his fingerprints in the first place, to cause falsely use his account to invest his money in places where he'd be worthless, this isn't so hard to believe to be able to do by someone as resourceful and intelligent as bane. This is also further explained, almost completely, by Dagget's reaction later, in that it was all part of his plot to gain the majority power in Wayne Enterprises. What wasn't there to understand or believe?

As for the giving the city back to the people, it was exactly explained by Bane when he put Wayne in the Pit. You only truly understand despair, if you have hope. You let the people think they can survive, and make it out, and give them HOPE, only to crush it all with the inevitable death anyways. THATS true terror and chaos. It also furthers the helplessness of the outside world to help, something they like to instill further into the globe. They want to not just shut down Gotham, but leave a lasting mark on the world everytime they 'reset' the most powerful city/states. To show that not only did they destroy the greatest city of America, but to hold not just Gotham but the entire USA/world hostage while all they can do is stand by and watch. THAT is terrorism.

Bruce's death, oh wells, it was probably something that he had originally planned to actually kill him off, but early screenings had people saying they would've liked Bruce to live, or WB forced him to write that part in so they can continue the Batman movie genre without Nolan if they wanted. Just because you see Batman in the 'cockpit' doesn't mean he wasn't already in the escape pod while the plane was flying off, it could've easily been explained that after he blew up the building to make way for his final escape, he jetison'd there in the cloud while the Bat took off on autopilot.


+ Show Spoiler +

Doesn't make sense that a billionaire wouldn't have reserves outside of stocks that are harder to touch.

But, I rest my case, the stock exchange stuff makes sense... I plead the I-was-sleepy-last-night excuse =)

And as for the giving-the-city-back-to-the-people: my problem was that the League of Shadows is supposed to be an organization of people who want to help the world. They wanted to destroy Gotham in BB because it was crime infested and hopeless. Now in DKR they want to destroy this great, almost crime-free city... why? Because Talia's upset that her dad's dead.

League of Shadows is NOT supposed to be like the Joker, who tortures people for the sake of torturing them (and would be willing to give them hope just to amplify the hopelessness)


+ Show Spoiler +
Bane was exiled from the League of Shadows for a reason.


+ Show Spoiler +
Yeah, but afaik Talia wasn't and it kinda was her master-plan
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TheRealPaciFist
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1049 Posts
July 22 2012 19:10 GMT
#1151
On July 23 2012 04:00 Chargelot wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2012 02:58 TheRealPaciFist wrote:
On July 22 2012 19:36 Kazeyonoma wrote:
On July 22 2012 17:56 TheRealPaciFist wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +


On July 21 2012 23:44 flamewheel wrote:
The stock market part was ludicrous. Yeah okay, BainBane and company bust the stock market, and obviously tamper with it. Next day, the richest man in the world loses all his money? Yeah okay this is believable.

Ms. Tate--I mean, Talia--was way too predictable. And why bother with the whole "I'm giving this city back to the people" when you're going to blow it up anyway? Attempting to inspire false hope is one thing. Having your plot foiled by Batman when you shouldn't have waited 100+ days is another.

And my biggest gripe... Batman staying alive. The bit about autopilot being fixed "6 months prior [to the invasion of Gotham]" is null in that you see that Batman is piloting the Bat when he's dragging the fusion core out... And how can Batman escape a 6-mile blast radius over open water? Obviously, there's some small escape pod attached to the Bat. Yet when the timer shows 10 seconds and you see Batman still in the cockpit of the Bat? That's one fast escape. I'd have rather Batman stayed dead. We already have the replacement--Mr. "Robin" John Blake, and all the loose ends are tied up regarding Bruce's life. I almost want to go along with the fan theory that Alfred at the end was just hallucinating when he saw Bruce and Selina together.


On the stock exchange scene: that was one of those moments that confused me at first, then I figured it would make sense later, and then I forgot about it, and only 'till now did I realize that it never made sense.

Completely agree with Talia + Bruce's death


+ Show Spoiler +

What? the stock market part was 100% explained, it's why they stole his fingerprints in the first place, to cause falsely use his account to invest his money in places where he'd be worthless, this isn't so hard to believe to be able to do by someone as resourceful and intelligent as bane. This is also further explained, almost completely, by Dagget's reaction later, in that it was all part of his plot to gain the majority power in Wayne Enterprises. What wasn't there to understand or believe?

As for the giving the city back to the people, it was exactly explained by Bane when he put Wayne in the Pit. You only truly understand despair, if you have hope. You let the people think they can survive, and make it out, and give them HOPE, only to crush it all with the inevitable death anyways. THATS true terror and chaos. It also furthers the helplessness of the outside world to help, something they like to instill further into the globe. They want to not just shut down Gotham, but leave a lasting mark on the world everytime they 'reset' the most powerful city/states. To show that not only did they destroy the greatest city of America, but to hold not just Gotham but the entire USA/world hostage while all they can do is stand by and watch. THAT is terrorism.

Bruce's death, oh wells, it was probably something that he had originally planned to actually kill him off, but early screenings had people saying they would've liked Bruce to live, or WB forced him to write that part in so they can continue the Batman movie genre without Nolan if they wanted. Just because you see Batman in the 'cockpit' doesn't mean he wasn't already in the escape pod while the plane was flying off, it could've easily been explained that after he blew up the building to make way for his final escape, he jetison'd there in the cloud while the Bat took off on autopilot.


+ Show Spoiler +

Doesn't make sense that a billionaire wouldn't have reserves outside of stocks that are harder to touch.

But, I rest my case, the stock exchange stuff makes sense... I plead the I-was-sleepy-last-night excuse =)

And as for the giving-the-city-back-to-the-people: my problem was that the League of Shadows is supposed to be an organization of people who want to help the world. They wanted to destroy Gotham in BB because it was crime infested and hopeless. Now in DKR they want to destroy this great, almost crime-free city... why? Because Talia's upset that her dad's dead.

League of Shadows is NOT supposed to be like the Joker, who tortures people for the sake of torturing them (and would be willing to give them hope just to amplify the hopelessness)


+ Show Spoiler +
Bane was exiled from the League of Shadows for a reason.


+ Show Spoiler +

Did I mention Bane? Talia was the head of the operation and the head of the league - unless I misunderstood something?
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JeanLuc
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada377 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-23 00:08:17
July 22 2012 19:15 GMT
#1152
On July 23 2012 01:27 Assault_1 wrote:
about the end..
+ Show Spoiler +
why is everyone assuming bruce is still alive? I didn't even consider he was alive until one of my friends mentioned it. Alfred's cafe thing was just a hallucination (he said before he visions them all the time, he also drank something right before).. so is there something I'm missing? it even showed him in the ship 5 seconds before it exploded

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Yes I agree with everything you said. However shortly before flying off on the Bat with nuke in tow, Batman makes mention of the autopilot. Its a fleeting reference but its there. And they go out of their way during the anticlimax of the movie to show that the autopilot in the Bat had been repaired by Bruce Wayne. So I think with those two points they are trying to at least bolster the possibility that Bruce Wayne COULD have survived. Personally I like to think that he did, but I understand how him dying is not only more plausible but perhaps more satisfying from the moral/artistic perspective.
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ShowTheLights
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
Korea (South)1702 Posts
July 22 2012 19:24 GMT
#1153
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Chargelot
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
2275 Posts
July 22 2012 19:26 GMT
#1154
On July 23 2012 04:10 TheRealPaciFist wrote:
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On July 23 2012 04:00 Chargelot wrote:
On July 23 2012 02:58 TheRealPaciFist wrote:
On July 22 2012 19:36 Kazeyonoma wrote:
On July 22 2012 17:56 TheRealPaciFist wrote:
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On July 21 2012 23:44 flamewheel wrote:
The stock market part was ludicrous. Yeah okay, BainBane and company bust the stock market, and obviously tamper with it. Next day, the richest man in the world loses all his money? Yeah okay this is believable.

Ms. Tate--I mean, Talia--was way too predictable. And why bother with the whole "I'm giving this city back to the people" when you're going to blow it up anyway? Attempting to inspire false hope is one thing. Having your plot foiled by Batman when you shouldn't have waited 100+ days is another.

And my biggest gripe... Batman staying alive. The bit about autopilot being fixed "6 months prior [to the invasion of Gotham]" is null in that you see that Batman is piloting the Bat when he's dragging the fusion core out... And how can Batman escape a 6-mile blast radius over open water? Obviously, there's some small escape pod attached to the Bat. Yet when the timer shows 10 seconds and you see Batman still in the cockpit of the Bat? That's one fast escape. I'd have rather Batman stayed dead. We already have the replacement--Mr. "Robin" John Blake, and all the loose ends are tied up regarding Bruce's life. I almost want to go along with the fan theory that Alfred at the end was just hallucinating when he saw Bruce and Selina together.


On the stock exchange scene: that was one of those moments that confused me at first, then I figured it would make sense later, and then I forgot about it, and only 'till now did I realize that it never made sense.

Completely agree with Talia + Bruce's death


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What? the stock market part was 100% explained, it's why they stole his fingerprints in the first place, to cause falsely use his account to invest his money in places where he'd be worthless, this isn't so hard to believe to be able to do by someone as resourceful and intelligent as bane. This is also further explained, almost completely, by Dagget's reaction later, in that it was all part of his plot to gain the majority power in Wayne Enterprises. What wasn't there to understand or believe?

As for the giving the city back to the people, it was exactly explained by Bane when he put Wayne in the Pit. You only truly understand despair, if you have hope. You let the people think they can survive, and make it out, and give them HOPE, only to crush it all with the inevitable death anyways. THATS true terror and chaos. It also furthers the helplessness of the outside world to help, something they like to instill further into the globe. They want to not just shut down Gotham, but leave a lasting mark on the world everytime they 'reset' the most powerful city/states. To show that not only did they destroy the greatest city of America, but to hold not just Gotham but the entire USA/world hostage while all they can do is stand by and watch. THAT is terrorism.

Bruce's death, oh wells, it was probably something that he had originally planned to actually kill him off, but early screenings had people saying they would've liked Bruce to live, or WB forced him to write that part in so they can continue the Batman movie genre without Nolan if they wanted. Just because you see Batman in the 'cockpit' doesn't mean he wasn't already in the escape pod while the plane was flying off, it could've easily been explained that after he blew up the building to make way for his final escape, he jetison'd there in the cloud while the Bat took off on autopilot.


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Doesn't make sense that a billionaire wouldn't have reserves outside of stocks that are harder to touch.

But, I rest my case, the stock exchange stuff makes sense... I plead the I-was-sleepy-last-night excuse =)

And as for the giving-the-city-back-to-the-people: my problem was that the League of Shadows is supposed to be an organization of people who want to help the world. They wanted to destroy Gotham in BB because it was crime infested and hopeless. Now in DKR they want to destroy this great, almost crime-free city... why? Because Talia's upset that her dad's dead.

League of Shadows is NOT supposed to be like the Joker, who tortures people for the sake of torturing them (and would be willing to give them hope just to amplify the hopelessness)


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Bane was exiled from the League of Shadows for a reason.


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Did I mention Bane? Talia was the head of the operation and the head of the league - unless I misunderstood something?

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She doesn't appear to be officially associated with the league of shadows. Her character seems a little confusing, as she distanced herself from her father greatly after he excommunicated Bane. But now she's seeking revenge against Batman for killing Ra's ah Ghul (her father). She's very.. corrupted. Bane himself, I believe, says "I am the League of Shadows" during the fight scene with Batman. It seems to me that they've just lost the true meaning of the LoS. Talia is more heavily involved with Bane than with Ra's ah Ghul. Perhaps just another plot hole?
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TheRabidDeer
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States3806 Posts
July 22 2012 19:36 GMT
#1155
About end:
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Bruce Wayne lived. He made sure Batman died, though. He had finally given everything to the city of Gotham, and was able to move on with Selina Kyle. Meanwhile, he leaves behind Robin to take care of things.

About Bane:
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Bane/Talia were ridiculously frightening, and their plan was so well laid out. Bane has Daggett working with him, and has him control every bit of his operation so that Talia is left with the control of the reactor and the bomb as she is deemed trustworthy. Making the announcement to get the US military to come, only to have them be forced to contain the city. Leaving that shred of hope for every person there. The only thing that couldve possibly improved the situation to show even more fear is if they showed the army shoot somebody that tried to leave.


Spectacular movie IMO, I dont see anything that couldve been improved. Also, holy sweet jesus Anne Hathaway can act and is the most stunning version of catwoman I have ever seen... did they digitally alter her figure in any way?
Chargelot
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
2275 Posts
July 22 2012 19:57 GMT
#1156
On July 23 2012 04:36 TheRabidDeer wrote:
About end:
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Bruce Wayne lived. He made sure Batman died, though. He had finally given everything to the city of Gotham, and was able to move on with Selina Kyle. Meanwhile, he leaves behind Robin to take care of things.

About Bane:
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Bane/Talia were ridiculously frightening, and their plan was so well laid out. Bane has Daggett working with him, and has him control every bit of his operation so that Talia is left with the control of the reactor and the bomb as she is deemed trustworthy. Making the announcement to get the US military to come, only to have them be forced to contain the city. Leaving that shred of hope for every person there. The only thing that couldve possibly improved the situation to show even more fear is if they showed the army shoot somebody that tried to leave.


Spectacular movie IMO, I dont see anything that couldve been improved. Also, holy sweet jesus Anne Hathaway can act and is the most stunning version of catwoman I have ever seen... did they digitally alter her figure in any way?

God I hope so, no woman deserves to have a figure that much better than the other 3.5 billion women on the planet.
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TheRabidDeer
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States3806 Posts
July 22 2012 20:14 GMT
#1157
On July 23 2012 04:57 Chargelot wrote:
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On July 23 2012 04:36 TheRabidDeer wrote:
About end:
+ Show Spoiler +
Bruce Wayne lived. He made sure Batman died, though. He had finally given everything to the city of Gotham, and was able to move on with Selina Kyle. Meanwhile, he leaves behind Robin to take care of things.

About Bane:
+ Show Spoiler +
Bane/Talia were ridiculously frightening, and their plan was so well laid out. Bane has Daggett working with him, and has him control every bit of his operation so that Talia is left with the control of the reactor and the bomb as she is deemed trustworthy. Making the announcement to get the US military to come, only to have them be forced to contain the city. Leaving that shred of hope for every person there. The only thing that couldve possibly improved the situation to show even more fear is if they showed the army shoot somebody that tried to leave.


Spectacular movie IMO, I dont see anything that couldve been improved. Also, holy sweet jesus Anne Hathaway can act and is the most stunning version of catwoman I have ever seen... did they digitally alter her figure in any way?

God I hope so, no woman deserves to have a figure that much better than the other 3.5 billion women on the planet.

I was thinking either corset or digital. Regardless, damn.
Azurues
Profile Joined March 2011
Malaysia5612 Posts
July 22 2012 20:49 GMT
#1158
well if you are a batman fan the moment you saw Miranda you would know who and what is she

and yes holy Anne Hathaway, they did made the right choice in choosing her for what her role is. Never expect here to be so almost perfect in that role
ShaLLoW[baY]
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada12499 Posts
July 22 2012 20:59 GMT
#1159
I realize in hindsight that

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I should have realized that Bane wasn't the kid who escaped the pit waaaay earlier, since they mentioned that he had his face fucked up by the other inmates at one point yet all of the scenes of the kid, including the one where "he" escapes, the face is completely unharmed
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TheRabidDeer
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States3806 Posts
July 22 2012 21:18 GMT
#1160
On July 23 2012 05:59 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
I realize in hindsight that

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I should have realized that Bane wasn't the kid who escaped the pit waaaay earlier, since they mentioned that he had his face fucked up by the other inmates at one point yet all of the scenes of the kid, including the one where "he" escapes, the face is completely unharmed

To be fair
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We are somewhat misled. We are shown images about the mother, and somebody saving the child. From here we believe the child is Bane. It is hard to shake our initial suspicions and we can ignore something like that ridiculously easily.
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