EPT[M] The Dark Knight Rises (SPOILERS) - Page 57
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Existential
Australia2107 Posts
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SnowyPsilocybin
United Kingdom265 Posts
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Kazeyonoma
United States2912 Posts
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pyro19
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On July 22 2012 18:26 Existential wrote: Late post but I watched this at a midnight premier in. The movie was soooo awesome. Catwoman was just amazing. Only problem I had with the movie was Bane's voice. Was kinda hard to understand him from time to time. I found his voice quite funny in the Earlier sections... + Show Spoiler + Great Movie , Not as good as the Dark Knight but a close second IMO....And the Robin Reveal was Nice.. | ||
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saocyn
United States937 Posts
On July 22 2012 17:56 TheRealPaciFist wrote: + Show Spoiler + On July 21 2012 23:44 flamewheel wrote: The stock market part was ludicrous. Yeah okay, Ms. Tate--I mean, Talia--was way too predictable. And why bother with the whole "I'm giving this city back to the people" when you're going to blow it up anyway? Attempting to inspire false hope is one thing. Having your plot foiled by Batman when you shouldn't have waited 100+ days is another. And my biggest gripe... Batman staying alive. The bit about autopilot being fixed "6 months prior [to the invasion of Gotham]" is null in that you see that Batman is piloting the Bat when he's dragging the fusion core out... And how can Batman escape a 6-mile blast radius over open water? Obviously, there's some small escape pod attached to the Bat. Yet when the timer shows 10 seconds and you see Batman still in the cockpit of the Bat? That's one fast escape. I'd have rather Batman stayed dead. We already have the replacement--Mr. "Robin" John Blake, and all the loose ends are tied up regarding Bruce's life. I almost want to go along with the fan theory that Alfred at the end was just hallucinating when he saw Bruce and Selina together. On the stock exchange scene: that was one of those moments that confused me at first, then I figured it would make sense later, and then I forgot about it, and only 'till now did I realize that it never made sense. Completely agree with Talia + Bruce's death + Show Spoiler + what didn't make sense about it? the stock exchange was to essentially secure all of batman's technology and inevitably to locate the core. (batman relies heavily on technology to escape / combat them) bane failed at finding the core, so talia slept with him and got his trust, and was given the location + access to the core itself, thus bane finding it. also by making bruce wayne broke, did they limit him and almost put him at the brink of defeat as he wasn't capable of using alot of his tech / get access to his suit. remember he had to find fox to locate and get him another suit. not to mention imagine if batman DIDN"T have another one of those motorcycles at the end to give to catwoman, the escape route that was useless in the end would have still been blocked, and catwoman wouldn't' have been there to save batman after he got cut in the back. luckily nolan wrote the script pretty well imo, setting it up earlier that, even if you do take all his technology you won't find or get everything, as he has them located throughout the whole city. | ||
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saocyn
United States937 Posts
On July 22 2012 18:23 Dreamer.T wrote: Well put. I think when I watch this movie a second time, I'll pick up more on the little things I might've missed during the first viewing. I remember watching TDK a second time, and picking out all the little details Nolan put in the movie. ya it's cool, for some reason i was capable of picking this one up, whereas i had to watch star trek twice to really get everything, i found honestly the conversations between alfred and bruce wayne some of the most beautiful moments in the movie itself, so don't miss those parts! yeah i believe he never really got over his first love dying or the first girl in the 2nd movie. reason he kept pictures and put clothes over everything to essentially shut out the memory of her, but he never truly moved on. | ||
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Nick!
Scotland701 Posts
I personally fucking loved bane, yes heath ledger did a great job with the joker but he was just chaotic. Bane on the other hand gave me the chills, he was fucking terrifying. When he was beating the shit out of batman the camera cuts to the mercs and you can see it in their eyes that they know batman wont win. I understood everything he said so maybe it is something to do with the way its projected in certain cinemas. | ||
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Ryder.
1117 Posts
On July 22 2012 12:40 Excalibur_Z wrote: The biggest plot hole is how Batman managed to get back into Gotham in the first place. All the bridges out of town were destroyed except for the one barricaded by the Army. Bane declared that if anyone entered or left the city, he would order his triggerman to detonate the bomb. It's the fucking Batman dude, being stealthy is what he is all about. | ||
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Kazeyonoma
United States2912 Posts
On July 22 2012 17:56 TheRealPaciFist wrote: + Show Spoiler + On July 21 2012 23:44 flamewheel wrote: The stock market part was ludicrous. Yeah okay, Ms. Tate--I mean, Talia--was way too predictable. And why bother with the whole "I'm giving this city back to the people" when you're going to blow it up anyway? Attempting to inspire false hope is one thing. Having your plot foiled by Batman when you shouldn't have waited 100+ days is another. And my biggest gripe... Batman staying alive. The bit about autopilot being fixed "6 months prior [to the invasion of Gotham]" is null in that you see that Batman is piloting the Bat when he's dragging the fusion core out... And how can Batman escape a 6-mile blast radius over open water? Obviously, there's some small escape pod attached to the Bat. Yet when the timer shows 10 seconds and you see Batman still in the cockpit of the Bat? That's one fast escape. I'd have rather Batman stayed dead. We already have the replacement--Mr. "Robin" John Blake, and all the loose ends are tied up regarding Bruce's life. I almost want to go along with the fan theory that Alfred at the end was just hallucinating when he saw Bruce and Selina together. On the stock exchange scene: that was one of those moments that confused me at first, then I figured it would make sense later, and then I forgot about it, and only 'till now did I realize that it never made sense. Completely agree with Talia + Bruce's death + Show Spoiler + What? the stock market part was 100% explained, it's why they stole his fingerprints in the first place, to cause falsely use his account to invest his money in places where he'd be worthless, this isn't so hard to believe to be able to do by someone as resourceful and intelligent as bane. This is also further explained, almost completely, by Dagget's reaction later, in that it was all part of his plot to gain the majority power in Wayne Enterprises. What wasn't there to understand or believe? As for the giving the city back to the people, it was exactly explained by Bane when he put Wayne in the Pit. You only truly understand despair, if you have hope. You let the people think they can survive, and make it out, and give them HOPE, only to crush it all with the inevitable death anyways. THATS true terror and chaos. It also furthers the helplessness of the outside world to help, something they like to instill further into the globe. They want to not just shut down Gotham, but leave a lasting mark on the world everytime they 'reset' the most powerful city/states. To show that not only did they destroy the greatest city of America, but to hold not just Gotham but the entire USA/world hostage while all they can do is stand by and watch. THAT is terrorism. Bruce's death, oh wells, it was probably something that he had originally planned to actually kill him off, but early screenings had people saying they would've liked Bruce to live, or WB forced him to write that part in so they can continue the Batman movie genre without Nolan if they wanted. Just because you see Batman in the 'cockpit' doesn't mean he wasn't already in the escape pod while the plane was flying off, it could've easily been explained that after he blew up the building to make way for his final escape, he jetison'd there in the cloud while the Bat took off on autopilot. | ||
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Supamang
United States2298 Posts
On July 22 2012 18:26 Existential wrote: Late post but I watched this at a midnight premier in. The movie was soooo awesome. Catwoman was just amazing. Only problem I had with the movie was Bane's voice. Was kinda hard to understand him from time to time. Don't worry, this is the only line you need to understand About Bane, I loved him as a villain but there were a few gripes: + Show Spoiler + Talia's existence diminished his status pretty significantly in my eyes. He went from being the leading badass in chief to merely 2nd in command. I also feel that because of Talia's existence, they didn't develop Bane as much as they could have. What's the point developing Bane completely if he's only gonna be a henchman to a different bad guy in the end? I seriously think if they focused on Bane as the main villain all the way to the end he could have been developed to be as epic of a character as the Joker was. To me, Bane was frightening because he was this overpowering, unstoppable guy. He had intellect and physical abilities that couldn't be matched. If he wanted you dead he would find you and end you. The Joker was frightening because he was so devious and unpredictable. He'd fuck you up just on whim in the cruelest way possible just for his amusement. And even if you were physically more capable than him, there's nothing you can do to subject him to your will or otherwise break him. I just wish they could have developed Bane more. | ||
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snotboogie
Australia3550 Posts
P.S. Did anyone else think his voice sounded like Deckard Cain? | ||
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GenghisKhan
United Kingdom68 Posts
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UdderChaos
United Kingdom707 Posts
On July 22 2012 20:49 Supamang wrote: Don't worry, this is the only line you need to understand http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3_oH4IOqgg About Bane, I loved him as a villain but there were a few gripes: + Show Spoiler + Talia's existence diminished his status pretty significantly in my eyes. He went from being the leading badass in chief to merely 2nd in command. I also feel that because of Talia's existence, they didn't develop Bane as much as they could have. What's the point developing Bane completely if he's only gonna be a henchman to a different bad guy in the end? I seriously think if they focused on Bane as the main villain all the way to the end he could have been developed to be as epic of a character as the Joker was. To me, Bane was frightening because he was this overpowering, unstoppable guy. He had intellect and physical abilities that couldn't be matched. If he wanted you dead he would find you and end you. The Joker was frightening because he was so devious and unpredictable. He'd fuck you up just on whim in the cruelest way possible just for his amusement. And even if you were physically more capable than him, there's nothing you can do to subject him to your will or otherwise break him. I just wish they could have developed Bane more. + Show Spoiler + I actually completely agree with you there. When i went to see this film i thought "ok bane isn't going to be as good as the joker, but maybe the plot will be better" But infact it was the other way round. Hardy's performance of bane was amazing, just as good as heath's joker. For me he carried the film. The plot on the other hand let him down. His motivations were poorly thought out, unclear and nonsensical, the bomb going off anyways and the false hope thing made no sense, the fact he was partly doing it for the girl diminished his character. It's like they kind of ruined him in the last 15 minutes, he died really pathetically, with a cheesy line from catwomen, and then further insult to his image, turns out he was working for someone else and he was only a henchman, and that someone else was only doing all this shit because she was pissed at batman killing her father. I assumed that bane was going to reveal some master plan at the end and the twist would be that he had another reason and a second plan with some awesome climax, instead i was left wanting to leave the cinema after bane died, i knew batman wouldn't die because of Alfred's speech about the cafe, and that i didn't care about the girl, which i cant even remember her name she was so underdeveloped,, despite being the main baddy. Also hated the Hollywood-esque ending with the batman's dead, lolz actually not really, trollface. Kind of expected better from nolan, if batman doesn't die, he doesn't die, and if he does, do it properly. The whole bomb in the sunset with the autopilot was so cheesy. Also he didnt have the balls, like the TDK to kill off at least one of the main characters. Bane could have easily killed Morgan freeman and it would have been chilling, if bane hung him or something from the bridge like the others, and would have helped developed bane The film was still brilliant by normal movie standards, but i defiantly think it was no TDK. | ||
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pyro19
6575 Posts
On July 23 2012 00:18 UdderChaos wrote: + Show Spoiler + I actually completely agree with you there. When i went to see this film i thought "ok bane isn't going to be as good as the joker, but maybe the plot will be better" But infact it was the other way round. Hardy's performance of bane was amazing, just as good as heath's joker. For me he carried the film. The plot on the other hand let him down. His motivations were poorly thought out, unclear and nonsensical, the bomb going off anyways and the false hope thing made no sense, the fact he was partly doing it for the girl diminished his character. It's like they kind of ruined him in the last 15 minutes, he died really pathetically, with a cheesy line from catwomen, and then further insult to his image, turns out he was working for someone else and he was only a henchman, and that someone else was only doing all this shit because she was pissed at batman killing her father. I assumed that bane was going to reveal some master plan at the end and the twist would be that he had another reason and a second plan with some awesome climax, instead i was left wanting to leave the cinema after bane died, i knew batman wouldn't die because of Alfred's speech about the cafe, and that i didn't care about the girl, which i cant even remember her name she was so underdeveloped,, despite being the main baddy. Also hated the Hollywood-esque ending with the batman's dead, lolz actually not really, trollface. Kind of expected better from nolan, if batman doesn't die, he doesn't die, and if he does, do it properly. The whole bomb in the sunset with the autopilot was so cheesy. Also he didnt have the balls, like the TDK to kill off at least one of the main characters. Bane could have easily killed Morgan freeman and it would have been chilling, if bane hung him or something from the bridge like the others, and would have helped developed bane The film was still brilliant by normal movie standards, but i defiantly think it was no TDK. + Show Spoiler + Too True.....The Way they made bane just another Henchman in the space of few minutes was so Weak...He dies in such an anticlimatic fashion anyways | ||
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FireSA
Australia555 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + As for Talia, as soon as she slept with Bruce, I figured she would betray him, and then when Bane stands at the head of the board, it was pretty obvious that he and Talia were allied. It actually only dawned on me really late into the movie that Gordon-Levitt was meant to be Robin, felt relief when that was shown to be correct, but a bit dumb for not picking it up earlier. As for the ending, I think that he either should have been dead, or it did cut away after Alfred smiling, without revealing Wayne. That's just me, though. Finally, what I think Nolan deserves some credit for is the fact the film felt as though it was heavily influenced by TDK in terms of themes, cinematography, sound production/editing/mixing and the like, whilst referring back to the first film on a number of occasions, and still maintaining a distinct feel, that is, it doesn't feel like a copycat, and all three films in the trilogy fit very well together (well...to be honest..I am not a huge fan of the first, though watching all three in a row was alright), whilst maintaining a strong sense of independence and distinction. 9/10 (may change upon re-viewing xD) | ||
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Aerisky
United States12129 Posts
Hm reviews are interesting, thanks. Personally I don't want to try to compare all of the movies with one another and appreciate it for what it is. I know I'll inadvertently try to compare it to BB and TDK, but I hope I'll find it the best of the three. | ||
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taldarimAltar
973 Posts
the power of his batcycle, how everyone knew his identity all of a sudden, also that scene where unarmed cops charge uphill against thugs armed with ak47s, how he got back from the pit jail, the randomness of the pitjail whether related to comics or not Catwoman's as looked like there was a balloon in it, it was like one big ball, not a tight ass with defined cheeks. It's also pretty sad that Bane (Hardy) had half his face covered up while acting, gary oldman and michael caine were good. Marion cotillard isn't as hot a talia, but catwoman makes up for that. Though I was wondering why the hell she was cast as a seemingly unimportant character at first. Like many have said, nice movie but no TDK | ||
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Deadlift
United States358 Posts
How does Bane eat? | ||
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TriO
United States421 Posts
On July 23 2012 00:47 Deadlift wrote: Biggest plot hole in the movie: How does Bane eat? Does it matter really? Overall it was one of the best movies I've seen since The Dark Knight. Music was perfect for every scene. I would watch it again for sure thats how good it was. Way better than overrated The Avengers and Spiderman for sure. | ||
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kef
283 Posts
For example, Bane's death and Talia's revelation | ||
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