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On July 22 2012 07:03 jeeeeohn wrote:+ Show Spoiler +When Catwoman betrays Bruce, the sequence leading up to that (where they're fighting through the sewers) was so quick it almost felt cheap and shoehorned. This is a constant problem where every key moment is displaced by ten minutes of forgettable filler. The whole movie felt like it was saying, "okaaaay now time to wrap this up!"
Same thing with Batman's escape sequences, which happened in rapid succession and really spoiled the isolation and despair he was supposed to be feeling.
How did Bane transport Bruce to the prison? How the fuck did Bruce escape back to Gotham if it's on another continent (which is what's implied). Nolan has this annoying habit of cutting to a scene with the character in question suddenly there or doing something without explaining how or why. That information isn't necessary, but when it's constantly omitted the film starts to feel like it's telling me to forget something and focus on the OH BIG SHINY PLOT POINT.
They can't make the movie to long, some things had to be sorta rushed, although I agree it shouldn't all have been, however there isn't a way to dodge it to be honest.
Bane didn't transport Bruce to another continent. It was stated in an interview with Nolan that that the prison he took Bruce to was in Mexico, and given the bomb was not to be blown up till 5 months time, Bruce had plenty of time to make it back to Gotham. We see in the film that he arrives back with only hours left. So most of his time was spent recovering and making it back to Gotham.
Also to the complaints that he "recovered too quickly" or "the film didn't focus on his despairty" I have a question to that. What about focusing on either of those 2 ideas is interesting? Would you rather not see what goes on in Gotham during Bane's revolution? I mean, if everyone would rather watch Bruce lay in bed and slowly get better over the course of 5 months I guess that's cool, but sounds pretty boring to me. It's an action film, it isn't going to focus on Bruce Wayne's mental battle with despairty for 45 minutes. I think the movie went in the right direction and tied the series fantastically.
I personally loved the movie, and think it was done in great fashion.
I do however agree with the common complaint of Bane's voice. It was a bit muffled at times, and while for the most part you could tell what he was saying, when he would go into long rants or speeches it would become a bit difficult to fully understand him. Aside from that, I do wish Bane's mask sounded a bit darker and cool than it did. The accent was well performed and I liked it but would have been more tuned in for something a bit more "Darth Vader" sounding if you will.
Also, Taila (Miranda Tate) did play a big part in the story. It was because of her that Bane and his revolutionaries got a hold of the bomb, and if she had not gained his trust/affection then Bane would never have been able to infiltrate Wayne Industries. She took control of the company and it's funds, as well as nuclear reactor. That's the big part she plays, is finding the location of the bomb and taking control of it. Without her, Bane would never have gotten that. We also find she rescued Bane from the prison after he held off the others to allow her to escape.
Basically in the end, while she is not a main villan through out the whole film she connects with the first. She wanted revenge upon Batman for killing her father as well as sought to finish what Ra's began. To raze Gotham to the ground. We find she is the grand schemer behind everything. It would have been nice to see her play her role as a villan for a bit longer but she is more of a manipulative assassin than a brutal hand-to-hand brawler like Bane.
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On July 22 2012 10:48 EnhancedZ wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2012 07:03 jeeeeohn wrote:+ Show Spoiler +When Catwoman betrays Bruce, the sequence leading up to that (where they're fighting through the sewers) was so quick it almost felt cheap and shoehorned. This is a constant problem where every key moment is displaced by ten minutes of forgettable filler. The whole movie felt like it was saying, "okaaaay now time to wrap this up!"
Same thing with Batman's escape sequences, which happened in rapid succession and really spoiled the isolation and despair he was supposed to be feeling.
How did Bane transport Bruce to the prison? How the fuck did Bruce escape back to Gotham if it's on another continent (which is what's implied). Nolan has this annoying habit of cutting to a scene with the character in question suddenly there or doing something without explaining how or why. That information isn't necessary, but when it's constantly omitted the film starts to feel like it's telling me to forget something and focus on the OH BIG SHINY PLOT POINT. They can't make the movie to long, some things had to be sorta rushed, although I agree it shouldn't all have been, however there isn't a way to dodge it to be honest. Bane didn't transport Bruce to another continent. It was stated in an interview with Nolan that that the prison he took Bruce to was in Mexico, and given the bomb was not to be blown up till 5 months time, Bruce had plenty of time to make it back to Gotham. We see in the film that he arrives back with only hours left. So most of his time was spent recovering and making it back to Gotham. Also to the complaints that he "recovered too quickly" or "the film didn't focus on his despairty" I have a question to that. What about focusing on either of those 2 ideas is interesting? Would you rather not see what goes on in Gotham during Bane's revolution? I mean, if everyone would rather watch Bruce lay in bed and slowly get better over the course of 5 months I guess that's cool, but sounds pretty boring to me. It's an action film, it isn't going to focus on Bruce Wayne's mental battle with despairty for 45 minutes. I think the movie went in the right direction and tied the series fantastically. I personally loved the movie, and think it was done in great fashion. I do however agree with the common complaint of Bane's voice. It was a bit muffled at times, and while for the most part you could tell what he was saying, when he would go into long rants or speeches it would become a bit difficult to fully understand him. Aside from that, I do wish Bane's mask sounded a bit darker and cool than it did. The accent was well performed and I liked it but would have been more tuned in for something a bit more "Darth Vader" sounding if you will. Also, Taila (Miranda Tate) did play a big part in the story. It was because of her that Bane and his revolutionaries got a hold of the bomb, and if she had not gained his trust/affection then Bane would never have been able to infiltrate Wayne Industries. She took control of the company and it's funds, as well as nuclear reactor. That's the big part she plays, is finding the location of the bomb and taking control of it. Without her, Bane would never have gotten that. We also find she rescued Bane from the prison after he held off the others to allow her to escape. Basically in the end, while she is not a main villan through out the whole film she connects with the first. She wanted revenge upon Batman for killing her father as well as sought to finish what Ra's began. To raze Gotham to the ground. We find she is the grand schemer behind everything. It would have been nice to see her play her role as a villan for a bit longer but she is more of a manipulative assassin than a brutal hand-to-hand brawler like Bane.
It's not they are saying they wanted to watch him heal in bed for 5 months. They are saying that should be physically impossible.
I have a ton of complaints with the movie. But, I still think the movie was half decent. Definitely not great but above average. The Dark Knight was much better.
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On July 22 2012 10:14 Defacer wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2012 10:04 zidaneshead wrote:On July 22 2012 10:02 EscPlan9 wrote:On July 22 2012 09:48 Chargelot wrote:On July 22 2012 09:44 aaronthebaron80 wrote:
I really liked the part where Bane said, "mmmf hphp mlllojfj kjksksksj bbrbrbrrjwj hg wuwywu ozpzosizzi." if you couldn't understand him, that's a you problem, not a him problem. He spoke pretty clearly. It also was a "me" problem then too. I found much of his dialog difficult to understand. I oftentimes had to piece together the parts I understood with the context to make sense of it. It was weird, he first time I saw it in an UltraAVX theatre which is supposed to have better sound, I sat on the rightmost part of the isle and I thought it was hard to understand at times, but then I saw it again in a normal theatre, sat in the center of the isle and could understand him clearly. Hmmm, interesting. I was sitting on the right side of a theatre, and he was difficult to understand in some scenes. You're probably onto something here.
I've heard that it really does depend on where you see it. Bane was perfectly clear to me, but a lot of people have complained. They probably should have looked a little closer at the sound mixing so it would be more consistent between theatres.
As far as my impressions of the film go, it was probably as good as Batman Begins but nowhere near as good as The Dark Knight.
The first third felt really tight. The action was great. The plot started almost immediately (part of the joy of seeing the 3rd film in a series). Most importantly, the pacing was right on. You get introduced to all the characters you really need to know quickly, and you understand something important about each of them. I also liked that the story wasn't spoon fed to the audience. You need to pay attention if you want to keep up with what Bane is doing and why.
The second third really dragged. There was a strange amount of mid-film exposition - too much information given all at once with almost no story development. I think the worst part was that this is really where things are supposed to get started, and I found myself wondering when the pace was going to pick up again. Some of the character interactions felt a little forced.
The final third roughly worked. I liked seeing Bane's plans take action. For a brief moment, it was reminiscent of the chaos that made The Dark Knight so compelling. My only real complaint is that there were too many independent story lines happening all at once that all needed to wrap up at the same time. There are really too many characters in this film. Joseph Gordon-Levitt (detective Blake) could have been completely eliminated. I didn't find myself caring about the character at all, and cutting him would have streamlined the whole final sequence. + Show Spoiler +The business with the orphans/priest trying to escape really distractes from everything else going on wasn't interesting or compelling, and didn't add to the film in any meaningful way. I also think this is a better movie if Batman really does sacrifice himself, fulfilling Alfreds worst fears. The other movies in this series don't feel clean at the end, and I see no reason why this one should.
The ending + Show Spoiler +was really weak. Batman either needs to die or not die (ambiguity is probably fine too). This whole thing where we're meant to believe he sacrificed himself even though he didn't is just annoying. I also thought the setup for Robin felt really tacked on. It's especially annoying because I suspect that character (the detective) was only in the film because they intended to set up a future film. I don't see what other purpose he serves.
Otherwise, the movie was generally good. I liked that it doesn't force its themes on the audience, which is actually pretty hard to find these days. We're treated like adults. I've always liked that the Christopher Nolan Batman movies show that a superhero movie doesn't have to be childish or campy.
Everything was beautifully shot and edited.
Anne Hathaway was a pleasent surprise as Cat Woman. I was sure she would be terrible, but she pulled it off pretty well and looked great doing it.
Michael Cain was ridiculously good. The only shame is that he didn't have a bigger part. This movie is much more emotionally impactful with him in it that it would have been with almost anyone else.
7.5
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One tiny suggestion to make the ending pretty sick
+ Show Spoiler +During Alfred's sequence, they never cut to Bruce. It's just Alfred smiling and then it cuts to whatever/ends.
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On July 22 2012 11:38 shindigs wrote:One tiny suggestion to make the ending pretty sick + Show Spoiler +During Alfred's sequence, they never cut to Bruce. It's just Alfred smiling and then it cuts to whatever/ends.
+ Show Spoiler +As soon as I saw Alfred walking through the cafe, I immediately thought "OH COME ON. REALLY?"
If they simply cut at Alfred's smile, I would have been pissed off all the same, but would be much more satsfied ^_^
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TBH, this is my favorite film of the trilogy. Refuting what people say about the pacing in this film, I thought it was the most spot on, leaving more breathing room IMHumbleO than TDK.
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Wish it concluded like the totem rolling on the table like Inception, makes the viewer think if Batman is dead or alive, oh well still good movie. I would recommend the whole series even if your not a fan.
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On July 22 2012 10:48 EnhancedZ wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2012 07:03 jeeeeohn wrote:+ Show Spoiler +When Catwoman betrays Bruce, the sequence leading up to that (where they're fighting through the sewers) was so quick it almost felt cheap and shoehorned. This is a constant problem where every key moment is displaced by ten minutes of forgettable filler. The whole movie felt like it was saying, "okaaaay now time to wrap this up!"
Same thing with Batman's escape sequences, which happened in rapid succession and really spoiled the isolation and despair he was supposed to be feeling.
How did Bane transport Bruce to the prison? How the fuck did Bruce escape back to Gotham if it's on another continent (which is what's implied). Nolan has this annoying habit of cutting to a scene with the character in question suddenly there or doing something without explaining how or why. That information isn't necessary, but when it's constantly omitted the film starts to feel like it's telling me to forget something and focus on the OH BIG SHINY PLOT POINT. They can't make the movie to long, some things had to be sorta rushed, although I agree it shouldn't all have been, however there isn't a way to dodge it to be honest. Bane didn't transport Bruce to another continent. It was stated in an interview with Nolan that that the prison he took Bruce to was in Mexico, and given the bomb was not to be blown up till 5 months time, Bruce had plenty of time to make it back to Gotham. We see in the film that he arrives back with only hours left. So most of his time was spent recovering and making it back to Gotham. Also to the complaints that he "recovered too quickly" or "the film didn't focus on his despairty" I have a question to that. What about focusing on either of those 2 ideas is interesting? Would you rather not see what goes on in Gotham during Bane's revolution? I mean, if everyone would rather watch Bruce lay in bed and slowly get better over the course of 5 months I guess that's cool, but sounds pretty boring to me. It's an action film, it isn't going to focus on Bruce Wayne's mental battle with despairty for 45 minutes. I think the movie went in the right direction and tied the series fantastically. I personally loved the movie, and think it was done in great fashion. I do however agree with the common complaint of Bane's voice. It was a bit muffled at times, and while for the most part you could tell what he was saying, when he would go into long rants or speeches it would become a bit difficult to fully understand him. Aside from that, I do wish Bane's mask sounded a bit darker and cool than it did. The accent was well performed and I liked it but would have been more tuned in for something a bit more "Darth Vader" sounding if you will. Also, Taila (Miranda Tate) did play a big part in the story. It was because of her that Bane and his revolutionaries got a hold of the bomb, and if she had not gained his trust/affection then Bane would never have been able to infiltrate Wayne Industries. She took control of the company and it's funds, as well as nuclear reactor. That's the big part she plays, is finding the location of the bomb and taking control of it. Without her, Bane would never have gotten that. We also find she rescued Bane from the prison after he held off the others to allow her to escape. Basically in the end, while she is not a main villan through out the whole film she connects with the first. She wanted revenge upon Batman for killing her father as well as sought to finish what Ra's began. To raze Gotham to the ground. We find she is the grand schemer behind everything. It would have been nice to see her play her role as a villan for a bit longer but she is more of a manipulative assassin than a brutal hand-to-hand brawler like Bane.
The biggest plot hole is how Batman managed to get back into Gotham in the first place. All the bridges out of town were destroyed except for the one barricaded by the Army. Bane declared that if anyone entered or left the city, he would order his triggerman to detonate the bomb.
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On July 22 2012 02:14 tuho12345 wrote:Saddest thing to me in the movie is Bane's voice  It's like Justin Bieber's voice Sorry I can't help it.
I just kept expecting Bane to say "Hello Batman. Stay a while and listen."
Drove me nuts.
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On July 22 2012 12:40 Excalibur_Z wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2012 10:48 EnhancedZ wrote:On July 22 2012 07:03 jeeeeohn wrote:+ Show Spoiler +When Catwoman betrays Bruce, the sequence leading up to that (where they're fighting through the sewers) was so quick it almost felt cheap and shoehorned. This is a constant problem where every key moment is displaced by ten minutes of forgettable filler. The whole movie felt like it was saying, "okaaaay now time to wrap this up!"
Same thing with Batman's escape sequences, which happened in rapid succession and really spoiled the isolation and despair he was supposed to be feeling.
How did Bane transport Bruce to the prison? How the fuck did Bruce escape back to Gotham if it's on another continent (which is what's implied). Nolan has this annoying habit of cutting to a scene with the character in question suddenly there or doing something without explaining how or why. That information isn't necessary, but when it's constantly omitted the film starts to feel like it's telling me to forget something and focus on the OH BIG SHINY PLOT POINT. They can't make the movie to long, some things had to be sorta rushed, although I agree it shouldn't all have been, however there isn't a way to dodge it to be honest. Bane didn't transport Bruce to another continent. It was stated in an interview with Nolan that that the prison he took Bruce to was in Mexico, and given the bomb was not to be blown up till 5 months time, Bruce had plenty of time to make it back to Gotham. We see in the film that he arrives back with only hours left. So most of his time was spent recovering and making it back to Gotham. Also to the complaints that he "recovered too quickly" or "the film didn't focus on his despairty" I have a question to that. What about focusing on either of those 2 ideas is interesting? Would you rather not see what goes on in Gotham during Bane's revolution? I mean, if everyone would rather watch Bruce lay in bed and slowly get better over the course of 5 months I guess that's cool, but sounds pretty boring to me. It's an action film, it isn't going to focus on Bruce Wayne's mental battle with despairty for 45 minutes. I think the movie went in the right direction and tied the series fantastically. I personally loved the movie, and think it was done in great fashion. I do however agree with the common complaint of Bane's voice. It was a bit muffled at times, and while for the most part you could tell what he was saying, when he would go into long rants or speeches it would become a bit difficult to fully understand him. Aside from that, I do wish Bane's mask sounded a bit darker and cool than it did. The accent was well performed and I liked it but would have been more tuned in for something a bit more "Darth Vader" sounding if you will. Also, Taila (Miranda Tate) did play a big part in the story. It was because of her that Bane and his revolutionaries got a hold of the bomb, and if she had not gained his trust/affection then Bane would never have been able to infiltrate Wayne Industries. She took control of the company and it's funds, as well as nuclear reactor. That's the big part she plays, is finding the location of the bomb and taking control of it. Without her, Bane would never have gotten that. We also find she rescued Bane from the prison after he held off the others to allow her to escape. Basically in the end, while she is not a main villan through out the whole film she connects with the first. She wanted revenge upon Batman for killing her father as well as sought to finish what Ra's began. To raze Gotham to the ground. We find she is the grand schemer behind everything. It would have been nice to see her play her role as a villan for a bit longer but she is more of a manipulative assassin than a brutal hand-to-hand brawler like Bane. The biggest plot hole is how Batman managed to get back into Gotham in the first place. All the bridges out of town were destroyed except for the one barricaded by the Army. Bane declared that if anyone entered or left the city, he would order his triggerman to detonate the bomb.
Meh, I think it's realistic enough to think one man as skilled as Batman could sneak back into a city of that size.
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Sweet Movie. Not better then TDK, but very epic. Second best movie in the Trilogy.
I will say that it felt as if the movie had been adapted from Joker to Bane. My brother thinks that Talia was supposed to be Harley Quinn.
Loved it either way. And I'm very excited for Man of Steel.
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The movie's pacing felt rushed at times but overall, really pleased with the movie. I'd probably say it's a tad worse than DK and BB, but it's still definitely worth watching. I loved how Nolan managed to tie in so many critical scenes with the first two movies (especially in the prison pit sequence when Bruce has a flashback to when he fell in the old well as a child and his dad came to save him). Joseph gordon-levitt, tom hardy and anne hatheway were also a lot better than expected as supporting characters. Hatheway managed to make cat woman actually somewhat likable and Levitt fit his role like a glove. The chemistry between Robin and Bruce/Batman also felt very real. It was obvious he would be robin from their very first encounter.
edit: I'm really glad I don't know what Justin Bieber sounds like. I actually liked Bane's voice lol
On July 22 2012 12:31 biaxiong wrote:
Wish it concluded like the totem rolling on the table like Inception, makes the viewer think if Batman is dead or alive, oh well still good movie. I would recommend the whole series even if your not a fan.
i was sort of hoping for this too. I didn't like how unsubtle the scene was in Marseilles. It would've been better if it just showed a shot of Alfred suddenly looking up with a look of surprise/contentment. But I can't complain about the ending as a whole. I had major chills when Robin found the batcave.
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On July 22 2012 12:41 SixtusTheFifth wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2012 02:14 tuho12345 wrote:Saddest thing to me in the movie is Bane's voice It's like Justin Bieber's voice Sorry I can't help it. I just kept expecting Bane to say "Hello Batman. Stay a while and listen." Drove me nuts.
OMG I said the exact same thing to somebody today!!! Glad to know I'm not the only one...
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On July 22 2012 13:20 EpiK wrote:
The movie's pacing felt rushed at times but overall, really pleased with the movie. I'd probably say it's a tad worse than DK and BB, but it's still definitely worth watching. I loved how Nolan managed to tie in so many critical scenes with the first two movies (especially in the prison pit sequence when Bruce has a flashback to when he fell in the old well as a child and his dad came to save him). Joseph gordon-levitt, tom hardy and anne hatheway were also a lot better than expected as supporting characters. Hatheway managed to make cat woman actually somewhat likable and all I kept thinking throughout the movie was how great the chemistry was between him and Bruce.
edit: I'm really glad I don't know what Justin Bieber sounds like. I actually liked Bane's voice lol
The Raz Al Ghul scene was pretty sick in my opinion. 
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I actually liked Bane's voice and lines. Things like "Now is not the time for fear. That comes later." and "Search him. And then I'll kill you." did a good job of portraying Bane as fairly psychotic but also level-headed and logical.
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I'm curious why Nolan decided to go with all the Tale of Two Cities references, what with the pseudo-courts persecuting the rich, Gordon's speech at Bruce's funeral being a direct quote from one of Sydney Carton's speeches and one of the people being tried by the "court" being named Stryver. Honestly, the Funeral speech being ripped from Dickens sort of lessened the impact for me.
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On July 22 2012 12:41 SixtusTheFifth wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2012 02:14 tuho12345 wrote:Saddest thing to me in the movie is Bane's voice It's like Justin Bieber's voice Sorry I can't help it. I just kept expecting Bane to say "Hello Batman. Stay a while and listen." Drove me nuts.
LOL holy shit my friend and I were saying the exact same thing all movie.
The only plot point that bugs me was how Bruce managed to get back into Gotham after his stint in the black hole of Calcutta. I think they left the male prostitution part out or something.
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A lot of people were only preset on the notion that the movie would be good but not as spectacular as the second and a lot this resonates in the criticism i've seen about this movie. personally i thought it was fantastic.
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On July 22 2012 14:34 Coppermantis wrote:I actually liked Bane's voice and lines. Things like "Now is not the time for fear. That comes later." and "Search him. And then I'll kill you." did a good job of portraying Bane as fairly psychotic but also level-headed and logical. + Show Spoiler [TDKR] +
I'm curious why Nolan decided to go with all the Tale of Two Cities references, what with the pseudo-courts persecuting the rich, Gordon's speech at Bruce's funeral being a direct quote from one of Sydney Carton's speeches and one of the people being tried by the "court" being named Stryver. Honestly, the Funeral speech being ripped from Dickens sort of lessened the impact for me.
I think a lot of the stuff was in reference to modern events like #occupy, etc.
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I guess I am the only one that
+ Show Spoiler +Saw Robin coming half way through the movie because he was getting so much screen time, but didn't see Talia coming at all.
As for the movie. you guys forget that Bruce was locked up in that prison for 5 months. And perhaps his back wasn't as badly damaged as you guys think. A dislodged bone heals much, much faster than a completely broken one, which sounds like what happened based on how easy it was to set the bone back in. Even then, 3 months is plenty of time to heal a broken bone with an additional 2 months of training.
As for getting back to Gotham, Bruce Wayne may be bankrupt but he still has an impressive amount of resources available to him. It's not like he gets back to Gotham overnight, it could have taken him several days to get back. With 2 hrs and 45 min. jam packed with stuff, how he gets back to Gotham seems like it is unnecesarry.
I thought Bane was an excellent villain and was played really well, I even loved the voice since it gave him a very unique feel, his wardrobe was pretty awesome too, the costume designer for the series is fantastic.
The reason Bruce was able to defeat Bane wasn't because he magically got stronger in the prison, but his mentality was changed significantly. He was overconfident when he fought Bane the first time, ignoring Alfred's warning. His motivation to take down Bane was significantly higher the 2nd fight.
9/10
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