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On July 21 2012 23:44 flamewheel wrote:
I'm feeling like spewing out a pile of text nobody will read.
Overall without spoilers: Cinematography was impressive. Lots of hella impressive shots. Loved that I could recognize parts of NYC.
For anyone who's lived in Pittsburgh, it was way more obvious it was filmed there. The big building with the columns that Bane made his speeches from is one of CMU's main buildings, the stadium was Heinz Field (and featured actual Steelers as players lol), and you could even see UPMC (University of Pittsburgh Medical Center) emblazoned on the stadium billboard!
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The movie was good, would rank it beneath TDK and above BB. However, it felt very fast and moved from plot point to plot point, and for a three hour movie that's kinda ridiculous. I agree with one of the above posters in that it feels like it should have been two movies.
+ Show Spoiler +Also, a bomb going off over water and Batman "fixing" his back, not to mention various other little plot holes, kinda killed my suspension of disbelief. Was that prison the same prison Bruce was locked up in at the beginning of BB?
Fight scenes were very good. The last brawl with Bane had me invested and at the edge of my seat.
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+ Show Spoiler +Hmm, just my thoughts. But I never thought that Blake is Robin. But that's just his name as fan service by Nolan. I thought it looked more likely that he takes the mantle of Batman because Batman is meant to be a symbol that anyone can be. Why would Robin use his real name?
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On July 22 2012 07:03 jeeeeohn wrote:The movie was good, would rank it beneath TDK and above BB. However, it felt very fast and moved from plot point to plot point, and for a three hour movie that's kinda ridiculous. I agree with one of the above posters in that it feels like it should have been two movies. + Show Spoiler +Also, a bomb going off over water and Batman "fixing" his back, not to mention various other little plot holes, kinda killed my suspension of disbelief. Was that prison the same prison Bruce was locked up in at the beginning of BB?
Fight scenes were very good. The last brawl with Bane had me invested and at the edge of my seat.
+ Show Spoiler +Keep in mind when he arrived in prison, the bomb was 5 months from going off. When he escaped, it was 23 days from going off. As someone who has broken his spine, I can say you'd be in good enough shape to walk and move around by then (since it wasn't a major spinal injury resulting in paralysis, it was more like a minorly dislocated vertebra). You probably couldn't go rock climbing, but I'm not exactly as strong and durable as the batman.
His portrayal of the pain from the broken spine was so fucking spot on though. It took me back.
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I really enjoyed it. Granted, the dark knight was(or seemed) better, but a lot of that was thanks to the Joker. Bane might not be as good, and a few things felt rushed, which led to some plotholes, but i liked the rythm of the movie, and the music was superb. Should have made it 2 movies though, this one deserved it, unlike harry potter and such.
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I was very dissapointed with this film, mainly because of the poor story and writing. No spoilers here, just my dissatisfaction. 1/10.
...The Dark Knight, however, got a 10/10 for me. So sad.
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On July 21 2012 16:12 SmokeMonster wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
- Bane's voice was funny and at times unbearable.
- Batman recovered from broken vertebrae real fast.
- Batman got destroyed by Bane; so, he did some push-ups and then he beats Bane no probs.
- Random wise old cripple
- Bane/Batman can appear randomly at any time.
- Didn't like how it kind of turned into a mini war film.
- Everyone with a name knew who Batman is.
- As soon as Batman passed the gun (or was a knife) to miranda, you knew she was gonna backstab him.
- Don't really get the point of the Miranda twist. It's like.. OK.. she betrayed batman.. so what.. there is nothing special about her. The nuclear bomb was already gonna explode anyway; the twist didn't affect the outcome of that at all... also, who cares if she's the daughter of the old dude from batman begins.
- Film was 30 mins too long.
+ Show Spoiler +I think I recall bane's mask is his greatest weakness. I think he feels no pain without it cus his mask cancels out pain? I'm not sure but Batman was aiming for his mask this time which led him to victory than before.
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First off I want to say I really enjoyed the movie. I thought it was a great way to end the series. However I was a little upset with the ending.
+ Show Spoiler + Personally I feel like the movie ends much better if Batman actually died. It shows he truly sacrificed everything for Gotham. The ending is a really nice feel good moment but it just seems like him dying is the way it had to end. (also if he actually died warner bros can't have a sequel without Nolan just for more money thus ruining this AMAZING trilogy)
Also I just feel like pointing this out. Bane said the bomb had a 6 mile blast radius. Given the time that the bomb had left when batman left the city (about 2 minutes) just to clear the blast radius he would have had to go around 180 mph. That doesn't account for the resulting tidal wave or the radiation that could easily be blown back into the city.
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+ Show Spoiler +Also I think TDK and TDKR are actually very close to each other. I had to really think about the two movies to really compare them. After thinking about it I think TDK is the better movie and better movie in the trilogy. What the joker put the city through seemed much worse than Bane. The joker motives was to corrupt the entire city and drop even the best down to his level. Where as Bane simply wanted to get rid of a corrupt city (even though organized crime was already gone from the city so that doesn't even make that much sense anymore). And finally the Jokers performance was unbelievable and ultimately gives the edge to TDK. He was scary yet you couldn't wait for him to be on screen next. Bane was truly scary also and probably more so but you never connected with him like the Joker. Never wanted to know what he would do next or why.
Also in terms of the pace of the movie I am glad they didn't make it 2 movies. They would have needed to add a lot of filler to accomplish that and the 2 movies separately wouldn't have felt as good as the movie in its current state. The fast pace keeps you in the movie the entire time. And in a 2.5 hour movie that can be very important.
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Interesting point about the city having removed organised crime so it wasn't corrupt anymore  I'd say keep in mind the news of the past few years, the Occupy movements, the sub-prime crisis and international depression brought on by the failures of banking and the systems that are supposed to limit their excesses. Bane didn't see organised crime as the corruption, he saw the bankers, the corporations, the stock brokers as the corrupt. Remember his conversation at the stock exchange?
'There's no money here, there's nothing you can steal.'
'No? Then why are you here?'
Paraphrasing but that's about right. This is a film based on reality - Bane took the oppressed, the downtrodden, the poor, the dispossessed, the underbelly, and gave them the belief that the system that failed them and cast them aside was itself corrupt and they could take it down. Bane believed implicitly in this ideal and so did his men, who were willing to die for him and his beliefs. He appealed to his men, and by extension the viewers, and made them think about the relationship we have with things that we buy, about the system of government and society in which we live, and offered an opposing view, demanding us to consider which was more fair? Is it worse to steal with guns rather than numbers and computers? Is it better to control the lives of people through force and fear, or motivation and money? I really enjoyed this aspect of the film, and in some ways it was a much more subtle and intelligent film than the previous two.
Personally, I feel there's a lot of anger out there directed towards government, big business and the capitalist system as a whole, especially considering it affects us all, and yet we, individually, can do little to affect our own lives. DKR tapped into this resentment in a very interesting way.
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On July 22 2012 08:57 bourne117 wrote:First off I want to say I really enjoyed the movie. I thought it was a great way to end the series. However I was a little upset with the ending. + Show Spoiler + Personally I feel like the movie ends much better if Batman actually died. It shows he truly sacrificed everything for Gotham. The ending is a really nice feel good moment but it just seems like him dying is the way it had to end. (also if he actually died warner bros can't have a sequel without Nolan just for more money thus ruining this AMAZING trilogy)
Also I just feel like pointing this out. Bane said the bomb had a 6 mile blast radius. Given the time that the bomb had left when batman left the city (about 2 minutes) just to clear the blast radius he would have had to go around 180 mph. That doesn't account for the resulting tidal wave or the radiation that could easily be blown back into the city. Edit: + Show Spoiler +Also I think TDK and TDKR are actually very close to each other. I had to really think about the two movies to really compare them. After thinking about it I think TDK is the better movie and better movie in the trilogy. What the joker put the city through seemed much worse than Bane. The joker motives was to corrupt the entire city and drop even the best down to his level. Where as Bane simply wanted to get rid of a corrupt city (even though organized crime was already gone from the city so that doesn't even make that much sense anymore). And finally the Jokers performance was unbelievable and ultimately gives the edge to TDK. He was scary yet you couldn't wait for him to be on screen next. Bane was truly scary also and probably more so but you never connected with him like the Joker. Never wanted to know what he would do next or why. Also in terms of the pace of the movie I am glad they didn't make it 2 movies. They would have needed to add a lot of filler to accomplish that and the 2 movies separately wouldn't have felt as good as the movie in its current state. The fast pace keeps you in the movie the entire time. And in a 2.5 hour movie that can be very important.
You can't really compare Joker to Bane because their method are vastly different. Joker is just pure arnachy while Bane is more methodical. Also, Bane wear the mask all the time so it is hard to gauge his emotion.
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Saw the movie.
It was good. What was impressive was that they constructed a story that ties to together the previous two films into a true trilogy. It is NOT a standalone film. If you haven't seen Batman Begins or The Dark Knight, it's not nearly as enjoyable.
They also managed to take and juggle inspiration from various story arcs and characters from the comics and make them seem plausible or grounded in Nolan's Batman universe. I really like how Bane had been reinvented and depicted in this, even if his voice was borderline indecipherable in some scenes.
The only downside is some greedy, ambitious sequences and 'doomsday scenarios' that drive the plot and themes but generate some holes. You definitely have to be willing to suspend disbelief on several occasions, or else they become distractions in an otherwise 'gritty' or 'realistic' world that Nolan builds. They're the kinds of things that you would ignore in a Marvel film, but are glaring with Nolan's aesthetic. Nolan also has a nasty habit of 'smash-cutting' his way through obvious plot holes that beg the questions, "How, why, where ... ?"
For example, in the Dark Knight, I despised the concept of 'Bat Sonar' and how it was implemented. It was a ridiculous over-the-top excuse to force visual effects into an otherwise gritty crime drama. But I'm willing to let that slide to so I can enjoy the movie as a whole.
There are definitely circumstances in 'Rises' that seem either too pulpy or comic-booky that you just have to buy into.
Otherwise, I highly recommend it, just take it with a grain of salt and be impressed that someone successfully made a comic book movie trilogy that takes itself seriously.
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I really liked the part where Bane said, "mmmf hphp mlllojfj kjksksksj bbrbrbrrjwj hg wuwywu ozpzosizzi."
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On July 22 2012 09:44 aaronthebaron80 wrote:
I really liked the part where Bane said, "mmmf hphp mlllojfj kjksksksj bbrbrbrrjwj hg wuwywu ozpzosizzi."
if you couldn't understand him, that's a you problem, not a him problem. He spoke pretty clearly.
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On July 22 2012 09:42 Prime`Rib wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2012 08:57 bourne117 wrote:First off I want to say I really enjoyed the movie. I thought it was a great way to end the series. However I was a little upset with the ending. + Show Spoiler + Personally I feel like the movie ends much better if Batman actually died. It shows he truly sacrificed everything for Gotham. The ending is a really nice feel good moment but it just seems like him dying is the way it had to end. (also if he actually died warner bros can't have a sequel without Nolan just for more money thus ruining this AMAZING trilogy)
Also I just feel like pointing this out. Bane said the bomb had a 6 mile blast radius. Given the time that the bomb had left when batman left the city (about 2 minutes) just to clear the blast radius he would have had to go around 180 mph. That doesn't account for the resulting tidal wave or the radiation that could easily be blown back into the city. Edit: + Show Spoiler +Also I think TDK and TDKR are actually very close to each other. I had to really think about the two movies to really compare them. After thinking about it I think TDK is the better movie and better movie in the trilogy. What the joker put the city through seemed much worse than Bane. The joker motives was to corrupt the entire city and drop even the best down to his level. Where as Bane simply wanted to get rid of a corrupt city (even though organized crime was already gone from the city so that doesn't even make that much sense anymore). And finally the Jokers performance was unbelievable and ultimately gives the edge to TDK. He was scary yet you couldn't wait for him to be on screen next. Bane was truly scary also and probably more so but you never connected with him like the Joker. Never wanted to know what he would do next or why. Also in terms of the pace of the movie I am glad they didn't make it 2 movies. They would have needed to add a lot of filler to accomplish that and the 2 movies separately wouldn't have felt as good as the movie in its current state. The fast pace keeps you in the movie the entire time. And in a 2.5 hour movie that can be very important. You can't really compare Joker to Bane because their method are vastly different. Joker is just pure arnachy while Bane is more methodical. Also, Bane wear the mask all the time so it is hard to gauge his emotion.
They are different characters but that doesn't mean I can't use that as a rational for comparing the movies.
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On July 22 2012 09:48 Chargelot wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2012 09:44 aaronthebaron80 wrote:
I really liked the part where Bane said, "mmmf hphp mlllojfj kjksksksj bbrbrbrrjwj hg wuwywu ozpzosizzi." if you couldn't understand him, that's a you problem, not a him problem. He spoke pretty clearly.
It also was a "me" problem then too. I found much of his dialog difficult to understand. I oftentimes had to piece together the parts I understood with the context to make sense of it.
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On July 22 2012 10:02 EscPlan9 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2012 09:48 Chargelot wrote:On July 22 2012 09:44 aaronthebaron80 wrote:
I really liked the part where Bane said, "mmmf hphp mlllojfj kjksksksj bbrbrbrrjwj hg wuwywu ozpzosizzi." if you couldn't understand him, that's a you problem, not a him problem. He spoke pretty clearly. It also was a "me" problem then too. I found much of his dialog difficult to understand. I oftentimes had to piece together the parts I understood with the context to make sense of it.
It was weird, he first time I saw it in an UltraAVX theatre which is supposed to have better sound, I sat on the rightmost part of the isle and I thought it was hard to understand at times, but then I saw it again in a normal theatre, sat in the center of the isle and could understand him clearly.
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On July 22 2012 10:04 zidaneshead wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2012 10:02 EscPlan9 wrote:On July 22 2012 09:48 Chargelot wrote:On July 22 2012 09:44 aaronthebaron80 wrote:
I really liked the part where Bane said, "mmmf hphp mlllojfj kjksksksj bbrbrbrrjwj hg wuwywu ozpzosizzi." if you couldn't understand him, that's a you problem, not a him problem. He spoke pretty clearly. It also was a "me" problem then too. I found much of his dialog difficult to understand. I oftentimes had to piece together the parts I understood with the context to make sense of it. It was weird, he first time I saw it in an UltraAVX theatre which is supposed to have better sound, I sat on the rightmost part of the isle and I thought it was hard to understand at times, but then I saw it again in a normal theatre, sat in the center of the isle and could understand him clearly.
Hmmm, interesting. I was sitting on the right side of a theatre, and he was difficult to understand in some scenes. You're probably onto something here.
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On July 22 2012 10:14 Defacer wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2012 10:04 zidaneshead wrote:On July 22 2012 10:02 EscPlan9 wrote:On July 22 2012 09:48 Chargelot wrote:On July 22 2012 09:44 aaronthebaron80 wrote:
I really liked the part where Bane said, "mmmf hphp mlllojfj kjksksksj bbrbrbrrjwj hg wuwywu ozpzosizzi." if you couldn't understand him, that's a you problem, not a him problem. He spoke pretty clearly. It also was a "me" problem then too. I found much of his dialog difficult to understand. I oftentimes had to piece together the parts I understood with the context to make sense of it. It was weird, he first time I saw it in an UltraAVX theatre which is supposed to have better sound, I sat on the rightmost part of the isle and I thought it was hard to understand at times, but then I saw it again in a normal theatre, sat in the center of the isle and could understand him clearly. Hmmm, interesting. I was sitting on the right side of a theatre, and he was difficult to understand in some scenes. You're probably onto something here.
I had the same problem sitting on the right side of the theater in IMAX. Planning on seeing it again so good to know if you have better seats he is more understandable.
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On July 22 2012 08:20 Chargelot wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2012 07:03 jeeeeohn wrote:The movie was good, would rank it beneath TDK and above BB. However, it felt very fast and moved from plot point to plot point, and for a three hour movie that's kinda ridiculous. I agree with one of the above posters in that it feels like it should have been two movies. + Show Spoiler +Also, a bomb going off over water and Batman "fixing" his back, not to mention various other little plot holes, kinda killed my suspension of disbelief. Was that prison the same prison Bruce was locked up in at the beginning of BB?
Fight scenes were very good. The last brawl with Bane had me invested and at the edge of my seat. + Show Spoiler +Keep in mind when he arrived in prison, the bomb was 5 months from going off. When he escaped, it was 23 days from going off. As someone who has broken his spine, I can say you'd be in good enough shape to walk and move around by then (since it wasn't a major spinal injury resulting in paralysis, it was more like a minorly dislocated vertebra). You probably couldn't go rock climbing, but I'm not exactly as strong and durable as the batman.
His portrayal of the pain from the broken spine was so fucking spot on though. It took me back.
You know, that actually makes me feel better about that minor plot hole.
What bugs me more than anything is the terrible sense of pacing. BB and TDK are much better films in this regard, where the audience isn't just being shuttled from one plot point to another. There's no room in DKR to exult in the aesthetic or character interaction or anything. For example:
+ Show Spoiler +When Catwoman betrays Bruce, the sequence leading up to that (where they're fighting through the sewers) was so quick it almost felt cheap and shoehorned. This is a constant problem where every key moment is displaced by ten minutes of forgettable filler. The whole movie felt like it was saying, "okaaaay now time to wrap this up!"
Same thing with Batman's escape sequences, which happened in rapid succession and really spoiled the isolation and despair he was supposed to be feeling.
How did Bane transport Bruce to the prison? How the fuck did Bruce escape back to Gotham if it's on another continent (which is what's implied). Nolan has this annoying habit of cutting to a scene with the character in question suddenly there or doing something without explaining how or why. That information isn't necessary, but when it's constantly omitted the film starts to feel like it's telling me to forget something and focus on the OH BIG SHINY PLOT POINT.
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On July 22 2012 10:29 jeeeeohn wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2012 08:20 Chargelot wrote:On July 22 2012 07:03 jeeeeohn wrote:The movie was good, would rank it beneath TDK and above BB. However, it felt very fast and moved from plot point to plot point, and for a three hour movie that's kinda ridiculous. I agree with one of the above posters in that it feels like it should have been two movies. + Show Spoiler +Also, a bomb going off over water and Batman "fixing" his back, not to mention various other little plot holes, kinda killed my suspension of disbelief. Was that prison the same prison Bruce was locked up in at the beginning of BB?
Fight scenes were very good. The last brawl with Bane had me invested and at the edge of my seat. + Show Spoiler +Keep in mind when he arrived in prison, the bomb was 5 months from going off. When he escaped, it was 23 days from going off. As someone who has broken his spine, I can say you'd be in good enough shape to walk and move around by then (since it wasn't a major spinal injury resulting in paralysis, it was more like a minorly dislocated vertebra). You probably couldn't go rock climbing, but I'm not exactly as strong and durable as the batman.
His portrayal of the pain from the broken spine was so fucking spot on though. It took me back. You know, that actually makes me feel better about that minor plot hole. What bugs me more than anything is the terrible sense of pacing. BB and TDK are much better films in this regard, where the audience isn't just being shuttled from one plot point to another. There's no room in DKR to exult in the aesthetic or character interaction or anything. For example: + Show Spoiler +When Catwoman betrays Bruce, the sequence leading up to that (where they're fighting through the sewers) was so quick it almost felt cheap and shoehorned. This is a constant problem where every key moment is displaced by ten minutes of forgettable filler. The whole movie felt like it was saying, "okaaaay now time to wrap this up!"
Same thing with Batman's escape sequences, which happened in rapid succession and really spoiled the isolation and despair he was supposed to be feeling.
How did Bane transport Bruce to the prison? How the fuck did Bruce escape back to Gotham if it's on another continent (which is what's implied). Nolan has this annoying habit of cutting to a scene with the character in question suddenly there or doing something without explaining how or why. That information isn't necessary, but when it's constantly omitted the film starts to feel like it's telling me to forget something and focus on the OH BIG SHINY PLOT POINT.
It's definitely a Nolan thing. He races from scene to scene, and either expects people to follow along or ignore a rather obvious hole in the pole. This is true in Inception, too. Either the director is missing something or the audience is missing something, but Nolan is pushes the story forward quickly in the hopes that people can't tell the difference.
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