The old doctor that sat in the cell next to him, told him that he must fear death sometimes. Then told him to jump without the rope. If you think about it, the rope is metaphorical to what Bane/Talia did to Gotham. They broke Gotham, but left a false piece of hope for it (as Bane said). This is was I liked about the film, since it tied back to Batman Begins where Bruce had to learn to conquer his fears, and in the end he was tested and rose.
On July 24 2012 02:13 UdderChaos wrote: Small plot hole, how come the rope that allowed them to climb was attached to the top of the well, couldn't they have just climbed up the rope.....
It wasn't attached at the top of the pit, closer to about halfway up the wall.
Yea movie wasnt that great. The ending was just amazing though. That was the best part of the movie. The whole "tying up lose ends" is always fun to watch at the end.
On July 23 2012 20:50 EpiK wrote: just saw this on reddit. Someone does bane's speech in mark hamill's joker's voice. Despite what you may think it is not mark hamill but an impression. Just insane.
I know heath ledger's joker is amazing and pretty much accepted as the definitive joker now, but I still miss Hamill's voice from the animated series. That laugh still gives me chills.
Just ran into some others. He apparently does the Joker's voice from TDK in hamill's voice. This guy is simply amazing. + Show Spoiler +
On July 23 2012 20:50 EpiK wrote: just saw this on reddit. Someone does bane's speech in mark hamill's joker's voice. Despite what you may think it is not mark hamill but an impression. Just insane.
I know heath ledger's joker is amazing and pretty much accepted as the definitive joker now, but I still miss Hamill's voice from the animated series. That laugh still gives me chills.
I saw these guys talking about the movie , im comparison to the previous movie , and as a batman movie in generel. I think they made alot of good points, even though they went a little overboard in the interpretation + Show Spoiler +
On July 23 2012 22:16 Oktyabr wrote: I thought Bane's voice was great. The only time when I felt it was just slightly awkward was when he went on a bit too long with that speech about Dent.
Was anyone else surprised when Bane first opened his mouth (joke not intended)? I kind of giggled when I first heard him because I didn't expect the villain to come straight out of Lawrence of Arabia, but I really grew to like him the end of the film.
The old doctor that sat in the cell next to him, told him that he must fear death sometimes. Then told him to jump without the rope. If you think about it, the rope is metaphorical to what Bane/Talia did to Gotham. They broke Gotham, but left a false piece of hope for it (as Bane said). This is was I liked about the film, since it tied back to Batman Begins where Bruce had to learn to conquer his fears, and in the end he was tested and rose.
That is true and I don't disagree but the rope was jerking them back before they could grab onto the ledge. I saw it happen every single time they jumped. They didn't fall they got jerked down.
I think my favorite part from Bane was at the very beginning when he tells one of his men that he needs to die in the plane (something like "No, they're expecting one of us"), and his men are such fanatical followers the guy looks pleased just to have the opportunity to help Bane
Though, the "You have been defeated by victory" line was also great
In BB, when Ra is introduced, Scarecrow gets removed as the center bad guy without ever getting properly taken down. He just fades into the background of the movie.
In TDRK, the same happens when Talia pops brutally into the movie. It didn't really occur to me that this happened to Scarecrow before I saw the new movie because it didn't really bother me in BB because I don't think Scarecrow was such a compelling villain. However it annoyed the shit out of me in TDRK when it happens to Bane because he's such an AMAZING villain throughout the entire movie. Talia shouldn't have been in that movie. Bane's performance is strong enough to stand on his own, and the fact he gets stripped of his villain-role that way at the end of the movie is the biggest mistake Nolan did the way I see it.
Hmmm... I'm not sure I agree, but it might go a ways to explain my dissatisfaction after the movie. If Bane was shown to be MORE than he is (rather than just a psycho who wants to nuke a city because... fuck, I still don't know) instead of LESS than he is... that would've been amazing
I can't believe all these complaints about shit like not seeing him travel from the middle east back to gotham... would the movie really have been enriched in any significant way by a montage of him hitch hiking to a port city, sneaking on to a transatlantic freighter, hopping a cargo train to the city neighboring gotham, then stealing some scuba gear to swim across the channel? That's exactly the way he was living before he met Ra's Al Ghul in Batman Begins. Or did everyone just not catch that in the scene before he got free the bomb still had like a month left, and when he re-arrives in gotham it only had 24 hours? Were you thinking it had to be some miraculous over-night thing?
Of course if they had included a scene like that (or even if they had emphasized the passage of time more) then there would just be five more people in this thread complaining about "hand holding" and "spoon feeding" the story or some other ridiculous knit-pick.
And don't get me started on the complaints about the motivations of Bane and Talia...
It seems like every TL movie thread turns into this as soon as the movie is out, regardless of whether the movie was good, bad, decent, it just becomes a circle jerk of people trying to psycho analyze the characters or pick apart every chain of events to find a flaw that they can call out. Guess what, none of this shit really happened, it was all fake put together for our entertainment and if you look close enough you can see the seems. The movies where you think this doesn't happen are just the ones where you weren't looking for the flaws. "No wai! X movie was almost perfect!" No it wasn't, it just had different flaws. You were either too young or not jaded/disenfranchised enough when you first saw it to care, or for any number of other reasons were in a more conducive state of mind when you watched those movies.
I don't think we'd be analyzing the movie unless we cared about it. For some of us, that means we enjoyed it a lot. For others, it means they were disappointed. Nothing wrong in trying to figure out why they were disappointed or what could have been better. And then some people thought it was fantastic all the way through (and there's bound to be a few who feel the opposite). As long as we don't get into a mindless argument about whether Star Wars or Fight Club is better, I think we're fine
Just saw the movie. Thought it was great. Obviously, some very questionable things happened in the movie, i.e. plotholes, but I've never been one to get too hung up on those, particularly in superhero movies. I agree with some who believe that the film had too many characters. Don't think Talia was necessary, the police captain was completely unnecessary, and the whole orphanage part seemed underdeveloped. Really liked Bane as a character, and thought Hardy did an amazing job with him.
On July 23 2012 18:54 The Chief wrote: I think the main reason that people are preferring TDK over TDKR is basically just the joker when you think about it. TDKR is a very good movie and well casted, good story line, very Christopher Nolan like etc. etc.. The Joker is just a better villain than bane which is what it comes down to and its just something we all have to live with, heath ledger did an amazing job as the joker which is why that movie went from being very good to being fucking awesome but the same thing can't be said for bane, the movie is very good but it lacked someone like heath ledger taking his character and making it his own. TDKR is a very good movie it's just not AS good as TDK, its just like picking you're favourite LOTR/Star Wars/Harry Potter etc etc etc movie, one will ALWAYS be better than the other for some reason or another and for most people its probably because of The Joker
I really disagree with this idea that heath ledgers performance as the joker is the difference between the two films. Tom Hardy's Bane was just as good, if not better than the joker. He was INCREDIBLE in the film. The joker was genius yes, but a lot of his character was developed by his awesome acts, such as the boat bomb, and pencil trick which was script side and had nothing to do with ledgers performance. Not to mention ledgers joker took quite a bit of influence from Jack Nicholson's joker if you watch both the films one after the other (like i did). Bane on the other hand, although he had decent lines, his actual character was pretty poorly written by Nolan standards and yet he still carried the film and was a complete monster in every scene. I think because ledger died people want to sensationalize and immortalize his performance by believing "none will do better", i think Tom Hardy showed this not to be true, and some people don't want to admit that. This is coming from someone who believes that TDK is the best film ever.
Tom Hardy's Bane was very, very good, but it pales in comparison to Heath Ledger's Joker. I don't think it even comes close. Why does it matter that the pencil trick was written into the script?
To be honest, the Joker isn't what separates the two films. TDKR just had too many issues with its narrative, and the ending just got to be ridiculous at times. Bane did carry the film quite well, but he wasn't the main problem with the film.
People (not just those in this thread) have commented on Bane's voice, and I'd just like to say that I liked it. I thought the slightly whimsical tone made his character even more frightening when it was paired with the rest of him. This was clearly a guy who was ruthless and capable of terrifying things, and his voice and tone made it worse because it made it seem like he was always in control and was just toying with his opponents. Bane was always one of Batman's most sophisticated and intelligent foes, so it's not surprising to me that he came off sounding like an aristocrat at times. His mind was always supposed to be a contrast with his physicality, and Hardy's version maintained that.
On July 24 2012 03:23 Chr15t wrote: I saw these guys talking about the movie , im comparison to the previous movie , and as a batman movie in generel. I think they made alot of good points, even though they went a little overboard in the interpretation + Show Spoiler +
I thought it was very interesting to watch, however I do disagree with a lot of the things they said.
Yes, there were flaws in the plot and the writing should be blamed for that. But to say the things they said about Robin, really turned me off. Nolan has interpreted each of his characters differently than previous film makers and writers of Batman. Just because we didn't see Blake before, and just because he wasn't the classic "Robin" that we've seen, doesn't make it wrong of Nolan to show him as such. When they said Nolan doesn't really seem capable of superhero flicks, while that may be true in most cases, Batman was a case where it did work. Nolan's "mindfucks" and dark style did fit the trilogy. It was different than the other superhero movies, and I'm grateful for that. Also, to say that it was only interesting in the last 45 minutes. It seemed necessary to make a longer movie that explained what happened in the last eight years since the Dark Knight, and I thought it was necessary to finish this story arc of Batman.
I thought it was great just not as good as "The Dark Knight" unfortunately but then again I expected it. You can't top the Joker as a villain and Heath Ledger did it so well.
Tom Hardy did a really good job with Bane though, there was a strange sense of humor in a lot of his lines.
I was a little letdown though with Mr. Daget being involved but I guess there wasn't enough time in the movie to do any more with him
Plus the "Robin" thing at the end was kinda lame. I thought she was gonna say something like "Why don't you use your first name? you afraid of people calling you Dick?"
On July 24 2012 03:23 Chr15t wrote: I saw these guys talking about the movie , im comparison to the previous movie , and as a batman movie in generel. I think they made alot of good points, even though they went a little overboard in the interpretation + Show Spoiler +
I thought it was very interesting to watch, however I do disagree with a lot of the things they said.
Yes, there were flaws in the plot and the writing should be blamed for that. But to say the things they said about Robin, really turned me off. Nolan has interpreted each of his characters differently than previous film makers and writers of Batman. Just because we didn't see Blake before, and just because he wasn't the classic "Robin" that we've seen, doesn't make it wrong of Nolan to show him as such. When they said Nolan doesn't really seem capable of superhero flicks, while that may be true in most cases, Batman was a case where it did work. Nolan's "mindfucks" and dark style did fit the trilogy. It was different than the other superhero movies, and I'm grateful for that. Also, to say that it was only interesting in the last 45 minutes. It seemed necessary to make a longer movie that explained what happened in the last eight years since the Dark Knight, and I thought it was necessary to finish this story arc of Batman.
I'm glad that Nolan's Batman movies aren't your run-of-the-mill superhero flicks. This Batman trilogy is much better for it because it transcends the genre and is far more interesting as a result. There's real depth here.
Finally got the chance to watch it last night in IMAX. The movie is very good and I didn't find the movie boring at all like others have stated. I actually like Nolan's movies in order: Batman Begins is still my favorite while The Dark Knight Rises is last on my list.
I liked Bane's voice and I thought it was badass, but there were some parts that I had trouble understanding. Hardy's Bane was nicely done and he was pretty menacing at some parts of the movie. I wished he didn't go out that way though, at least not what Catwoman said afterwards. Hathaway's Selina Kyle was great and she kicked some asses in this movie, but I don't think she stole the show. I wished Alfred got more screen time since he had very little compared to the other movies, but it was cool to see how Wayne endured when Alfred was away.
The soundtrack is absolutely top notch as always from Hans Zimmer. I had goosebumps when The Dark Knight theme started playing when Batman finally came out of hiding after so many years and when he was surrounded by the police. This might be a problem with my theater, but there were times that the music in the background would overpower the voices, which made it a problem at times.
The movie had some problems, but I won't point them out since it's already been discussed. Even with the problems, I still had a good time watching the movie. Hopefully I will feel the same or like it more when I go see it the second time. I really like the cool shock factor when it was revealed that John Blake's legal name was Robin. Some people in my theater chuckled or gasp when it happened. I had goosebumps when he entered the Batcave... so awesome. Batman vs Bane first fight... nuff said.
On July 24 2012 06:31 Zealos wrote: Can I just say, the standout moment from the film was Bane asking that board member whether or not he felt like he was in control. Awesome stuff.
"Speak of the devil, and he appears..."
"...you feel it don't you" as he rests his hand so gently on daggot's shoulder
"I've paid you a small fortune!" "and that somehow gives you power over me?"
Bane's terror was his cool nonchalance about everything. he could not care any less about you, he almost behaved like a god
On July 24 2012 06:31 Zealos wrote: Can I just say, the standout moment from the film was Bane asking that board member whether or not he felt like he was in control. Awesome stuff.
"Speak of the devil, and he appears..."
"...you feel it don't you" as he rests his hand so gently on daggot's shoulder
"I've paid you a small fortune!" "and that somehow gives you power over me?"
Bane's terror was his cool nonchalance about everything. he could not care any less about you, he almost behaved like a god
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