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On December 30 2008 07:58 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:
After reading the thread I think we should see what Ace has to say for himself. Remember Mafia 3, where a dt checked Ace Day 1 and he turned up red? Here we have an extremely similar situation, however the existence of certain roles e.g. Village Idiot, and Mole complicate things a bit. Ace reacted then by convincing people to lynch Folca, eventually some townies were even on his side. Watch how he reacts this game and compare it.
BTW Tensai176 i agree with the "rose out of the ground" line. It caught my eye for sure as I read through the post. Maybe someone that can burrow, like a zerg? Or perhaps he had melded with the ground somehow like a shapeshifter and then rose out in the house.
It's just Caller, mocking me about my zombies idea... 
J/k, I don't want to detract from any clue analysis, as I suck at it myself.
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Not to be a jerk or the like, but Ver does link partially to the "rise from the ground" its two weak connections but
"Glory is fleeting but obscurity is forever."
"No one ever rises so high as he who knows not where is he going."
I dont believe this is enough to nail him on anything as a few others also link to this role, but yea
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It's ok Mynock I liked your zombie idea. maybe next time!
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Rules clarifications:
Trigger happy kills on Role Checks. He kills on any action except list checks and clue checks. He also returns Role Checks (if they happen to get through, in the case that someone already triggered his one kill in that day/night cycle) as Townie.
Additionally, the Trigger Happy kill happens instantly. Instantly as in as soon as Caller reads it, since he very well could not be on the site when you send it. Furthermore, it will be announced in the thread as a News Flash, so everyone will know when it happens.
Edit: Typo. tt -> it
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Just a note on something I said earlier:
Latham's quote is “someone has to put back laughter into manslaughter.” The new man smirks because he finds the mayor's death humorous (or at least his statement). Weak link at best. I just want everyone to be aware that it's out there.
It's much more blatant and I'm almost not giving Caller enough credit, but Roffles is a part of this game. If smirking, laughing, etc. are mentioned in later day posts, it should point more clearly toward Roffles as he doesn't have too much information in his profile (and there isn't much you could do with his name either).
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We don't have to waste medics on RoL. We martyr him, then only AFTER day 3 we put medics on (to stop conversions). By that time, we'll probably have some town organization out.
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Do I actually even have to respond to this?
RoL claims he is a DT, then claims he is a jack so he knows I'm mafia?
First of all, any of you that know any of the Real DTs can ask them to check me and confirm. RoL is lying and I'm betting on the fact that he's the VI.
1.) Everyone knows that we'd lynch RoL before me, so I think he's banking on this.
2.) Once again, the game starts with either myself or Ver getting checked and we are supposed to believe someone.
RoL hasn't even claimed to be a front for a real DT, or a Real Jack. This is the key - he has NO responsibility but his own.
He conveniently says he's a Jack and that it bypasses the sane/insane cop routine and none of us even know this for sure. Look at the Jack's role description and tell me how can any of us be so sure?
We can't.
Secondly, we can't even be sure he isn't mafia trying to hope the town lynches me first (to avoid what happened in Mafia 3). Either way, RoL makes no sense with whatever plan he is going for.
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I don't really have enough time to do clue analysis right now, sorry for that. I would like to point out though that behavioral analysis is more reliable in this game than in other games because this is for experienced and active players only. There should be less irresponsible play from townies in this game. Clues are always great but often point to multiple people.
We really need the Rockstar to speak up.
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shit! signups closed yet??
missed this while I was gone
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On December 30 2008 07:17 malongo wrote:
RoL: You are not playing for the town anyways, nevake and incognito are right you are the village idiot. I was thinking that maybe your right, but then i asked myself: hey if i was jack, would i do a rolecheck first day and roleclaim dt, and then roleclaim jack? HELL NO. I ask the town to lynch RoL. If he turns blue with checker ability (jack, dt) i ask the town to follow with ace and me. Im expandable, and we dont need this guy doing fake claims all game. Let him get his ms paint picture.
Not gonna say he is mafia, but well, he just basically admited to working with ace. So if for some reason RoL is lynched and flips blue, almost certaintly ace and malongo are red.
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Malongo how do you know Ace's role?
You say it with such confidence "I ask the town to follow with ace and me"
Only mafia would know each other's roles right?
This only makes Ace's probability of being red even higher, but it's not for sure yet.
We'll see. I suggest everyone lynch Ace. It's just like the Folca situation in Mafia 3 - if Ace flips blue/green, RoL is the one to go.
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Ace, I have justified plenty of my actions as of now. The DT call instead of the Jack, to avoid a potential bomb. There is more detailed version somewhere back. I said I checked with Caller as well, I PMed him right as I checked you and you popped red, I asked if the Jack could be insane. He could not, I am sure Caller will vouch for that, or you can all ask Caller yourself, I don't care, it doesn't matter either way.
Why would I risk others that I am communicating with now? If you read my posts I am in contact with quite a few people, I am not giving out there names however because its I am not endangering anyone else as of yet, I am keeping my connections private until the rockstar is here, I will tell him about all the contacts I have made so far.
lol and everyone will lynch me before you? Who says? Last time it ended bad, I don't think everyone will put you in such high demand as you think, you are a great player, we can't deny that. But you are not completely essential to our victory, especially if you are a mafia.
and I find it hilariously convenient that it worked out when you were town last game, to just lynch Ver who is just as good as you are, you know. Based off just your word, but when its someone else word, then its not good enough. At least when its on your head, sounds a lot like mafia 3 to me. Where you proceeded to get Folca lynched, a role claimed DT.
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Or you have to consider the fact that Ace could be a rockstar, malongo bodyguard and vice versa.
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Okay, while this debacle with Ace is slowly being sorted out and I'm still sticking with Rebirth unless someone else has a better idea than him. I also decided to try a little bit of clue analysis.
The part in the story in which Caller says the mafia leader is listening to music may point to Artanis[xp], who has a link to a MyLastFM profile, a social music site.
Also, I like the idea of pinning Rage with the mafia that throws the knife, barely missing the vans deferens.
Just a few suspicions and additional food for thought.
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holy shit, i leave for a few hours and i come back to three pages full of stuff. anyone want to fill me in on what's going on or do i have to read through everything? x_x
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On December 30 2008 09:09 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Ace, I have justified plenty of my actions as of now. The DT call instead of the Jack, to avoid a potential bomb. There is more detailed version somewhere back. I said I checked with Caller as well, I PMed him right as I checked you and you popped red, I asked if the Jack could be insane. He could not, I am sure Caller will vouch for that, or you can all ask Caller yourself, I don't care, it doesn't matter either way.
Ok I'll ask since the entire town should know:
Caller, can the Jack be insane/sane or is the jacks role reveals always 100% true?
And secondly, I know you're bullshitting and this is some sort of mafia trap to get me lynched or you are the village idiot. Already you've got people bandwagonning against me when you're premise makes no sense. No one has verified if you're a Jack or not, and likewise no one has verified if I'm mafia or not except YOU. One person made a smurf account to say they are the real Jack and I'm betting it's legit - this is some sort of crooked plan to lure them out.
Why would I risk others that I am communicating with now? If you read my posts I am in contact with quite a few people, I am not giving out there names however because its I am not endangering anyone else as of yet, I am keeping my connections private until the rockstar is here, I will tell him about all the contacts I have made so far.
lol and everyone will lynch me before you? Who says? Last time it ended bad, I don't think everyone will put you in such high demand as you think, you are a great player, we can't deny that. But you are not completely essential to our victory, especially if you are a mafia.
Last game I was a front for a DT. How is it that you not even saying you are in contact = to having less risk? That makes no sense. You haven't made any contacts. Stop lying. And lastly I'm not mafia, and your post makes it sound as if you are lynching me because you checked some other high ranked player( maybe Ver), maybe saw he has a blue role and figured shit, Ace might as well be mafia now. Because there's no way you could be going this far to get me lynched unless you're not even 100% sure (which you aren't) or you are the Village Idiot.
and I find it hilariously convenient that it worked out when you were town last game, to just lynch Ver who is just as good as you are, you know. Based off just your word, but when its someone else word, then its not good enough. At least when its on your head, sounds a lot like mafia 3 to me. Where you proceeded to get Folca lynched, a role claimed DT.
But in this game we can't even take your word because with the roles the way they are now, one townie surely doesn't have to play for the town's favor. Secondly, we can't prove anything about who YOU are. Go ahead, say this isn't making any sense. We'll wait for Caller to clear this up and we'll wait for some other DTs to vouch for you.
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Ok Ace, then who ARE you? Role please.
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Or thereal jack could have been a mafia member in disguise.
I've never heard of a Jack being insane. It's the role that's insane, not the ability to do the role. Only the detective could be insane from my understanding of what Caller wrote.
How can it be a mafia trap, Ace? Until you convince us of that, your words aren't going to have any affect. You could very easily be a mafioso who's chosen the best way to convince townies of his innocence is sounding angered.
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Read the thread Ace, I have said I am in contact with people, and what the hell do you mean I am probably not even talking to people, lol? Do you honestly think no one has PMed me after I role claimed and pinned you as the mafia? You are out of your mind.
How does my post make it sound like I checked a high ranked player and am using their word? I have said that I am the Jack several times Ace. I have said I checked you, I never stated I was a mouthpiece or anything.
and how am I going this far to get you lynched? I posted tons of evidence and justification for things people said attacking me, when you role claim like I did, you know the problems that come with it. Everything you said, and everything you say is in constant question, of course I am going to post condemning you, what else would you like me to do? Post completely idiotic and senseless things that have no relevance on what happens here?
I role checked you, you are mafia, I posted convincing people to lynch you based off of that, by day two we should have some level of verification on this. Don't be an idiot please.
That is in response to your second point, the first one was just you basically saying that I role claimed, and how you can't verify it. Which is essentially what the role claim is -_-; that is why I offer your head as proof, otherwise there is none.
To the third part, what do you suggest we do day 1 then? we can't have another DT come out and role check me yet. and the proof rests with your lynch, as I have said before. That is what a Role Claim is, you claim your role and the proof that I am what I say I am rests with yuor death, or mine.
In M3, it was Folca's, in M5 its going to be you. I am much more clever and don't trip over my words like he does, you won't out talk me Ace :/
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