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TL Mafia V
The Town Strikes Back
Seeing as how we have claims of imba, and I am an idiot, I am offering a restart.
Poll: Restart Game with Nerfs?
(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): Caller fuck you for giving me townie
Roles:
Townie: You are just an ordinary townie! As of now, all you can do is talk and vote! BUT: your role can change, depending on various factors. (20)
Special Roles:
Detective: You can spy on other people and do one of the following: (3)
A) Check a clue against someone to see if it fits them.
B) You get two role checks as well.
C) New check! You may (only once, after night 1) send me a list of no more than 5 people, but they can be anybody you want! I will then tell you how many are mafia. BUT: Roles can change, and more importantly:
D) One or more of the detectives are insane! They thus view all townies as mafia and all mafia as townies! (blues stay the same). This applies to rolechecks and the list check.
E) No more votechecks, you can vote for whoever the hell you want. But the above can function as a votecheck, so be careful!
Vigilante: You can kill people after night 2! Function stays the same as in all mafia games, (2 hits) (2)
Paramedic: Stays the same, BUT: In addition to protecting against mafia and vigilante, also protects someone from being recruited into mafia! (3)
Veterans: Again, have 1 extra life. But you also privately get another clue about the person attacking you! (3)
Martyr: Does Martyring things, lol. Overrides all Vets, Docs, Medics, etc.(1)
Jack: Is a jack of all trades, etc. (1)
Pyromaniac: You are not allowed to vote! (you may abstain). In addition, if a mafia attacks you, you burn down your house, killing the mafia with you. If more than one mafia attacks you, I will randomly pick one to die. Anybody protecting you or the mafia dies a horrible firy death(2)
Trigger-Happy: You shoot anyone and anything that pokes its head out at you. The first person (medic, DT, mafia) that tries to visit you each day/night gets instantly killed. Listchecks and cluechecks do not count, but everything else is. You also don't know you are the NRA member-your role PM will be Townie and rolechecks will reveal you as townie.(1)
Rock Star: You have two bodyguards to protect you from angry fans and mafia because you’re just that rich. You know them and they know you!(1)
Rock Star bodyguards-you protect the rock star! He can’t die or be converted until you guys die or are converted! (2)
Mafia:
Note: You must assign one mafia per hit to me.
Mafia: You kill people! Yay! (3+)
Special Mafia Roles:
Godfather: You appear to DTs as any role of your choice (you cannot change the role that you appear as after you PM to me). In addition, after Day 3, you may pm me the name of one person, and if they are not being watched they are inducted into mafia! (only 2 recruitments possible) (1)
NOTE:Godfather can be killed by NRA member and recruitments are not refundable with the exception of the Village Idiot.
Suicide Bomber-Can suicide and kill someone and all medics protecting them, overrides NRA member (1)
Unscrupulous Doc-can protect one mafia from a night attack from Vigilante or Jack. Does not protect against Anarchist or NRA member. (1)
Silencer-prevents Ace (and other people) from talking. Stays the same as in BloodyCobbler’s game. (1)
The Mole: Initially given townie role, but mafia is given his role as well. On Night 2, the mole receives his “Mole” role and mafia list. (1)
NOTE:The Mafia may be inclined to message the mole immediately to let him know his position. This may not be a 100% good idea, as often the mole would work as a better infiltrator thinking that he is a genuine townie.
Village Idiot: His job is to get lynched. He wins if he gets lynched. He is also immune to nighttime attack and appears as a townie to checks. He cannot be converted.
The Village Idiot's lynching does not end the game.
Any attacks on the Village Idiot are not refundable with the exception of the suicide bomber, who's attack simply won't go through.
Victory for the Village Idiot is merely bragging rights and a quick MS Paint drawing on the front page celebrating your victory.(1)
Signup Here Pls!
Current signups:
1.Amber[light]
2.Nevake
3.Nemy
4.Mikeymoo
5.Tensai176
6.KH1031
7.Kuja900
8.Qatol
9.Clazziquai
10.Ver
11.Artanis[xp]
12.Unforgiven_ve
13.Shadowdrgn
14.iNfuNdiBuLuM
15.Zeks
16.Camlito
17.0cz3c
18.Bockit
19.blue_arrow
20.ydg
21.chaoser
22.LaXerCannon
23.BloodyC0bbler
24.Mynock
25.Ace
26.Scaramanga
27.Jimtudor
28.randombum
29.funkie
30.Roffles
31.Attackzerg
32.dimnsab
33.malongo
34.more_minerals
35.RebirthofLegend
36.Latham
37.MidnightGladius
38.lakrismamma
39.Trancestorm
40.Truthbringer
41.Heros)Pink
42.LucasWoj
43.CynanMachae
44.Showtime!
45.3 Lions
46.Night[Mare
47.JL13
48.Incognito
49.inertinept
50.redtooth
51.Rage
52. (Hyperbola, not currently in)
There are between 8 and 14 mafia.
KP = ??? (Mafia Count/2)
Godfather is Alive
Suicide Bomber is Alive
Doc is Alive
Silencer is Alive
The Mole is Alive
There are a whole bunch of townies left, including X blue townies. The blue count may have been adjusted at some point.
Day 1
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ok ill bite.
sign me up 
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wee I'm in. Make me blue.
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Canada7170 Posts
Did you get my PM caller?
EDIT: If not, I'm in
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I actually have time to keep up so I'm in.
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sign me up sir ^_^
edit- a role would be most apprieciated lol
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I'll play unless you need help with this
Please consider the changes to the DT/jack that I suggested though, especially with ability A of the DT
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United States2186 Posts
I'm in.
I will pm you some stuff later tonight on previous inactives/suggestions.
For now though I suggest you put a pending on everything and think about the feasibility of getting 72 active players. I don't think that's very practical.
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I'll play. Village idiot please! :D
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TL Mafia just got way too ahead of itself. Lol
Not signing up, just like to say LoL to Caller b/c The Town Strikes Back
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Ok some thoughts on the rest your roles:
Martyr:
How does he interact with a veteran if 1 hit is given? Who takes that hit?
Jack:
Can he be insane as well? (Probably better not to have this, but it would be kinda funny if this were the case)
Anarchist:
How do medics work with this guy? (I think everyone should die when the house burns down including medics, the doc, or the martyr)
NRA member:
Define "visit." Is that rolechecks/protection/vigi/mafia hits?
Rock Star:
Does the rock star know who his bodyguards are and vice versa? Is the rock star immune to conversion while protected? (I think this should probably be the case)
Godfather:
Does he lose a conversion attempt if the target is protected? (probably should)
Silencer:
Are you seriously giving the silencer 5 uses that can hit the same person every time again? That seemed excessive.
Village Idiot:
Is he mafia? Or is he neither green nor red?
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I'm in. Free win if I'm the village idiot.
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also i think silence should not be able to silence same person twice in a row this time around
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Sign me up. I'll cook up something good for this game. Of course, it will vary in accordance with my role.
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Sydney2287 Posts
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sign me up
hopefully inactives will stay the fuck out
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Unless you need help running this, count me in, 
I love how you guys didnt want to wait like 2 days for me to get the next game up ;p regardless count me down.
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4492 Posts
Hehe, some roles sound fun, but I'd like to propose an other one:
Zombie - once killed, comes back the next night and takes one person of his choice to his chilly grave.
Can be 1 or 2. Good role to take vengeance on someone.
Since Mafia too has a medic now, another role could be:
The diseased - once killed (either by a Vigi or Mafia) will infect the person killing him, who in turn, will die on next night, unless cured by either a medic or a corrupt doc. If a Medic protects the diseased, he will be cured permanently, and loses his abilities to infect. The diseased only has 5 days to live, and dies by himself on 5th night.
Also, count me into this one. 
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7 mafia vs 52 townies? where are the other 13 people :p
you should totally add more roles like
the plant: you can plant a clue that incriminates another player once a night
the teacher: you can "hold night class" once per game. once you "hold night class" (during the night) you will be informed of your students (max 4? so you know 4 innocent townies). however, the mafia can have on their hitlist "teacher," and if you are holding class, you and all your students die. if you aren't holding class, the hit fails.
the sniper: has a kill power of 1. must send in own hit. does not leave behind clues. (maybe overpowered)
the stalker: can stalk one person per night. will be informed if the stalkee is active during the night. if the stalker is killed, the person he is stalking is killed as well (and vice versa) unless the stalkee is mafia.
etc.
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Caller, one thing that would be an interesting option is rather than tell the town how many mafia there are, say something like "there are between 7 and 11 mafia" or the like. Makes it harder to guess how many there are, or have the just reg mafia flip as green, and special role mafia flips as special role, or the like. Makes it alot harder to a degree, but means you can have less mafia and make it challenging.
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Count me in
Silencer-prevents Ace (and other people) from talking. Stays the same as in BloodyCobbler’s game.
LOOOOOOL
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On December 28 2008 11:13 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Caller, one thing that would be an interesting option is rather than tell the town how many mafia there are, say something like "there are between 7 and 11 mafia" or the like. Makes it harder to guess how many there are, or have the just reg mafia flip as green, and special role mafia flips as special role, or the like. Makes it alot harder to a degree, but means you can have less mafia and make it challenging.
that's the thing hehehehehe :D
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On December 28 2008 09:29 Qatol wrote:
Ok some thoughts on the rest your roles:
Martyr:
How does he interact with a veteran if 1 hit is given? Who takes that hit?
Jack:
Can he be insane as well? (Probably better not to have this, but it would be kinda funny if this were the case)
Anarchist:
How do medics work with this guy? (I think everyone should die when the house burns down including medics, the doc, or the martyr)
NRA member:
Define "visit." Is that rolechecks/protection/vigi/mafia hits?
Rock Star:
Does the rock star know who his bodyguards are and vice versa? Is the rock star immune to conversion while protected? (I think this should probably be the case)
Godfather:
Does he lose a conversion attempt if the target is protected? (probably should)
Silencer:
Are you seriously giving the silencer 5 uses that can hit the same person every time again? That seemed excessive.
Village Idiot:
Is he mafia? Or is he neither green nor red?
Martyrs take the hits regardless of medics or vet status.
Insane Jack would just go crazy lol
Anarchists act as reverse suicide bombers, so yes, medics will die as would the doc.
The NRA member's interpretation is correct.
Rock Star is like Mayor, he knows the BGs and vice versa and he is immune to conversion.
Godfather does lose the conversion attempt if the target is protected.
Yes the Silencer has 5 uses but there will be clues pointing to the silencer's actions this time, i.e.
"Ace and Caller were sitting in a room chillaxing. Suddenly, a large monster-wurm creature that breathed fire and hoarded treasure snuck out of the darkness in the room and with one hand sliced Caller's head off while burning Ace's lips off. The lips won't heal for another day."
guess who these clues are pointing to ^^
Village Idiot is just his own faction. However, he can associate with townies to make a deal with them, or vice versa.
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Some more questions:
Village Idiot:
Can the Godfather recruit the Village Idiot or does immunity from night killing also mean immunity from conversion? If he can be recruited, is he still immune from night kills? If so, would a post-recruitment Village Idiot just trample over NRA members and Anarchists? A converted Village idiot seems to be pretty tricky. You might want to consider making him immune to conversion as well...
Is he immune from the suicide bomber? If so, what happens if the suicide bomber attempts to detonate on him?
NRA Member:
Is Godfather recruitment included in his auto-kill trigger list?
Anarchist:
Can he invite everyone playing for an all night party?
Edit: For that matter, what about any converted special role? Do they retain their power?
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On December 28 2008 13:24 LTT wrote:Some more questions: Village Idiot: Can the Godfather recruit the Village Idiot or does immunity from night killing also mean immunity from conversion? If he can be recruited, is he still immune from night kills? If so, would a post-recruitment Village Idiot just trample over NRA members and Anarchists? A converted Village idiot seems to be pretty tricky. You might want to consider making him immune to conversion as well... Is he immune from the suicide bomber? If so, what happens if the suicide bomber attempts to detonate on him? NRA Member: Is Godfather recruitment included in his auto-kill trigger list? Anarchist: Can he invite everyone playing for an all night party? Edit: For that matter, what about any converted special role? Do they retain their power?
The godfather cannot recruit the Village Idiot.
The suicide bomber does not die and he will be usable the following day/night.
Yes, the NRA member can kill the godfather if he tries to recruit ^^
Anarchist:
Hell yes.
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Silencer-prevents Ace (and other people) from talking. Stays the same as in BloodyCobbler’s game. (1)
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This sounds neat, sign me up.
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pff, sign me up.
I'll try harder this time around
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Caller i agree with some posts, maybe 72 people is too much?
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On December 28 2008 15:22 malongo wrote:
Caller i agree with some posts, maybe 72 people is too much?
i doubt 72 people will show up lol
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Roffles
Pitcairn19291 Posts
Sign me up! Last game was rather uninteresting as like 4-5 blue townies got shot in like the first full day or two. Inactivity hurts as well.
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If there is room sign me up.
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Canada7170 Posts
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On December 28 2008 15:25 Caller wrote:Show nested quote +On December 28 2008 15:22 malongo wrote:
Caller i agree with some posts, maybe 72 people is too much? i doubt 72 people will show up lol
then why im not on the list? 
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HAhahaha
I hope I get mafia again. Last one was easy .
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lol come on, you know I am going to rape it up this time.
AGAIN.
SIGN ME UP.
edit: lol last 5 posts 4/5 were mafia in the previous game.
WE ARE CONSPIRING ALREADY.
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Only let MoRe_mInErAls play if I'm mafia please =O.
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How does the village idiot role work? I don't get that. How does the village idiot win if he is lynched? Does the mafia automatically win the game if the town lynches the village idiot? or does the village idiot just get to feel special for a change?
I think oczec should be the village idiot, it seems to just make sense.
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On December 28 2008 17:50 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
I think oczec should be the village idiot, it seems to just make sense.
I have a feeling caller might nominate me for the role ^^!!
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It should be randomized
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Hey, I'd like to sign up! I've followed the last 4 games and I think I can do this :p.
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Imo there should be a [Mafia] tag on the thread
this should be able to get to 72 people easy
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Belgium9947 Posts
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Stabbing time! Sign me up .
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The Village Idiot's lynching does not end the game.
Any attacks on the Village Idiot are not refundable with the exception of the suicide bomber, who's attack simply won't go through.
Victory for the Village Idiot is merely bragging rights and a quick MS Paint drawing on the front page celebrating your victory.
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On December 29 2008 01:52 Caller wrote:
The Village Idiot's lynching does not end the game.
Any attacks on the Village Idiot are not refundable with the exception of the suicide bomber, who's attack simply won't go through.
Victory for the Village Idiot is merely bragging rights and a quick MS Paint drawing on the front page celebrating your victory.
Lol poor player.
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Please remove me, I no longer wish to play.
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On December 29 2008 03:46 LTT wrote:
Please remove me, I no longer wish to play.
boooo
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Caller's turn I guess.
I'm in.
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The NRA guy seems too strong imo. He basically is an anarchist that doesn't die because mafia tend to just throw 1 hit per person first few days (meaning NRA guy will kill mafia every time).
Should give him like 3 times to be able to stay up all night with his rifle and shoot first person that comes at him, rather than innate ability.
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WHY LTT??????????
wow.....=/
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3 Lions
United States3705 Posts
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sign me up please, let's see how this mafia plays out
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btw, you should cap it at 50. Y'know, inactivity hurts too much :\
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this game seems like it's gonna be a little while
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we can do it at 50
but then it will be 20 blue 20 town 10 mafia
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Nonono, I should have been the town idiot the previous game. I have a whole new strategy up my sleeve this game. ^_^
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I would love to play. Although if you decline me, I understand because this is my first post on TL.net and well, low post count doesn't bode well in a game that works better if everyone is active. I'm semioldguy's suitemate so he can vouch for me for being committed to the game. I've lurked for a little bit and finally took initiative to register an account. So yah, sign me up =)
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Make it 50, 72 is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyy too much!
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Updates:
Veterans are being nerfed from 3 lives to 2.
There will be an unknown amount of mafia.
Due to popular demand,cap has shrunk from 72 to 50.
Roles have already been generated for a 50 cap and we are waiting on the final signups. Round may begin as of 12:00 KST.
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Canada7170 Posts
I don't trust Fox, personally.
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On December 29 2008 09:24 mikeymoo wrote:
I don't trust Fox, personally.
LOL Fox.
Holy shit, that is interesting, so we will have no idea of the killing power then?
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On December 29 2008 09:24 clazziquai wrote:LOL Fox. Holy shit, that is interesting, so we will have no idea of the killing power then?
nope ^^^^^^^^
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United States2186 Posts
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4492 Posts
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caller gogogo 47 i love prime numbers.
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Ah, a new gm. Im in.
*edit*
No offense to Ace at all. Just an observation.
*Side note to Caller*
Don't you think the anarchist is a little inaccurate? I think it the burning up the house thing should apply to Vigilantes too. And maybe police checks. Otherwise it doesn't really fit the description of anarchist if you're only killing mafia.
Btw I like how two of my suggestions from Ace's mafia game got in, modified. The modification to the town fool/village idiot, although probably more for comedic effect(pretty much invincible since he can't die by night killing and wins if lynched...hmmm how dioes that work)? is interesting.
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ah man, a new whole new game. Ambiguous mafia count x_X.
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On December 29 2008 10:20 nevake wrote:
ah man, a new whole new game. Ambiguous mafia count x_X.
Well yes, sort of ambiguous, but it has a range. Also the town would probably figure it out unless the mafia decides to have a few of its members abstain from killing...
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I don't get the rock star role. What happens if the mafia tries to kill him? Do one of the bodyguards die instead or is the hit just wasted?
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think of rock star as the mayor of the game.
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Then everyone knows who he is at the beginning? I guess he wouldn't be much of a rock star if we didn't. :p
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The rock star isn't known at the beginning of the game. Apparently. But I guess...it does make sense for him to be known...
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By the way, converted mafia keep whatever powers they have ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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On December 29 2008 10:56 Caller wrote:
By the way, converted mafia keep whatever powers they have ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Ooh cool. But at the same time dangerous. And...yup. Very dangerous.
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lol this sounds like its gonna get so messed up
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Yeah, it could be a massacre if the godfather is good with his conversions. Imagine a jack working for the mafia. Imagine a jack and a medic or a detective. That's frightening, haha.
Only one more person before the game can begin!
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On December 29 2008 11:30 LucasWoJ wrote:
Yeah, it could be a massacre if the godfather is good with his conversions. Imagine a jack working for the mafia. Imagine a jack and a medic or a detective. That's frightening, haha.
Only one more person before the game can begin!
imagine an nra member
except the godfather gets killed at the doorstep
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Mmm...if a vigilante is recruited, do they get extra kills?
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On December 29 2008 11:51 Incognito wrote:
Mmm...if a vigilante is recruited, do they get extra kills?
no.
same with dts
if a godfather tries to recruit an anarchist the anarchist burns the house down on him too.
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Caller this might be too chaotic :/
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might be will be chaotic. hopefully it will be fun though?
On December 29 2008 11:52 Caller wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2008 11:51 Incognito wrote:
Mmm...if a vigilante is recruited, do they get extra kills? no. same with dts if a godfather tries to recruit an anarchist the anarchist burns the house down on him too.
when I mean extra kills, I mean, does he get to keep his vigilante killing power? I realize I might have been ambiguous...probably the 2 kills don't replenish.
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I think this game will have an element of strategy that wasn't present in the previous Mafia games. It will be interesting trying to follow players who are confirmed greens/blues as the game progresses. No inner circles could arise because infiltration would be remarkably simple for the mafia. I think this game has more potential than any of the others.
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True, but it still might be confusing and need clarification. like the anarchist thing. Caller, why doesn't the anarchist activate on vigilantes/DTs too? I don't think anarchists would cooperate with the police, and vigilantes are pretty much like the mafia except they're town. And anarchists probably don't like town organization either. Is the anarchist considered town? Independent?
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hmm, things have come up.
please remove me.
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On December 29 2008 12:06 Incognito wrote:
True, but it still might be confusing and need clarification. like the anarchist thing. Caller, why doesn't the anarchist activate on vigilantes/DTs too? I don't think anarchists would cooperate with the police, and vigilantes are pretty much like the mafia except they're town. And anarchists probably don't like town organization either. Is the anarchist considered town? Independent?
the anarchist is the conspiracy theorist guy with the tin foil hat. He likes vigilantes because they're independent, and there's no police force, just P.I.s
and spike
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On December 29 2008 11:57 Ace wrote:
Caller this might be too chaotic :/
you have a rock star and a slightly imba list check, and you have people that are horrendously hard to kill with mafia. If anything, mafia needs to be more careful with sniping blues.
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anything that makes the game not a circle jerk of blue townies is fine by me
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thats not fair to the mafia though. Why should they punished for hitting blues? It's not their fault if townies fuck up and leak info. The whole basis of the game works with all townies being fair game, otherwise you're gonna see some blues go all out and just kill the game.
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NRA member = good
Anarchist = cannot be killed by mafia (effectively) doesn't affect town negatively.
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I have a question so if mafia hits the NRA one mafia dies but the NRA is still alive?
How does mafia kill the NRA if the answer is "yes"?
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I'm guessing the answer is no. It makes sense that way. They both shoot each other. There's only 1 NRA member. Also if a DT tries to check...then dead. So the mafia can impersonate NRA members...
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but if there's only one why would they do that? :/
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*edit*
nvm. This:
"Suicide Bomber-Can suicide and kill someone and all medics protecting them, overrides NRA member (1)"
Problem solved.
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and it still costs them one mafia member...
No medics are going to watch an NRA member.
problem still there
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Convince the town he's mafia. Lynch him during the day. Problem solved.
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yea but the whole point of the game is based on the idea that no one knows who is who, but teamliquid mafias have a bad track record of leaks so this doesnt make sense to us. thats probably why you are uneasy Ace. That and the fact that its pretty easy to find out who is who with these roles.
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I kinda hope I'm town this game so I can just end it all on Day 2.
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Lol ace has a gameplan and all. We need the silencer.
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You can silence them then kill them with the suicide bomber later. Who else are you going to suicide on? Nobody else worth suiciding on except the NRA member. And maybe the anarchist.
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Not too hard to come up with a gameplan. You've got 4 invincibles. (or nearly invincible). You also have a rock star.
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But medics cant watch the NRA. they get shot.
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On December 29 2008 13:49 inertinept wrote:
yea but the whole point of the game is based on the idea that no one knows who is who, but teamliquid mafias have a bad track record of leaks so this doesnt make sense to us. thats probably why you are uneasy Ace. That and the fact that its pretty easy to find out who is who with these roles.
What is "this"? I'm slightly confused by what you're saying.
The game could be anything it evolves into, and even then, no one can really be confirmed until a detective confirms him, BUT because of the new roles this game, even that information could become void. It will still be "based on the idea that no one knows who is who," as you put it.
TL mafias don't have a track record for leaking. That was only one game. And that was only one person.
It's also impossible to find out who is who with these roles, but if it weren't wouldn't that contradict your first sentence? o_O I'm lost, haha.
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On December 29 2008 13:51 Incognito wrote:
Kills someone (in this case NRA member) AND ALL THE MEDICS PROTECTING THEM. It does cost them a mafia member. You can silence them then kill them with the suicide bomber later. Who else are you going to suicide on? Nobody else worth suiciding on except the NRA member. And maybe the anarchist.
no medics are going to watch the NRA member. He publicly role claims on the first day. Mafia can't hit him. The town don't need to watch him. Let the suicide bomber take him out and now the Rock Star goes on an epic raping spree.
o.0
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Yeah i thought the same, the only chance to mafia against a roleclaimed NRA is to sacrifice yet another to roleclaim too, worst case scenario we will have 5 townies roleclaiming NRA, lol.
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Perhaps with the advent of insane DTs, they should get infinite role checks? 1/day. Otherwise you will never be able to confirm. You'll need 2 DTs to check one person to make see if they get different answers. If one is sane and one is not, you won't know which is sane or not. Thus by the time you may/may not figure it out, you've run out of checks. Mafia impersonations get so much easier. You can claim DT and nobody will know since you may be an insane cop.
We should also do this to the anarchist. Make only 1, not 2. Remove the burn the house down thing. Instead, implement:
Anarchist: You are not allowed to vote! (you may obstain). In addition, once during the game you randomly sabotage the vote and nobody dies by lynch.(1)
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no it doesn't.
As a DT, depending on who you are it's easy to find out if you're sane or not.
1.) You find out someone's role without using a check. This happens multiple times during the game. And it also happens a lot on Day 1.
2.) Put their name on a list with suspected mafia and PM caller.
3.) depending on how the person from part 1 checks you know whether you're sane or not AND you know if the 4 other people are legit or not.
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if the godfather tries to recruit someone into the mafia but that person is protected by the medic does he waste that recruit like will he only be able to do it one more time at 1/2 or will he still have both uses at 2/2?
edit: fixed my sloppy grammar
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On December 29 2008 13:27 Incognito wrote:
I'm guessing the answer is no. It makes sense that way. They both shoot each other. There's only 1 NRA member. Also if a DT tries to check...then dead. So the mafia can impersonate NRA members...
the NRA member kills the first person that sees him no matter what. So their actions don't do anything. i.e. if the mafia puts one hit and nobody else does anything the NRA member kills the mafia and stays alive.
However, if a dt visits and gets killed, then the mafia can put one hit on the NRA member and he dies, or mafia can double stack the NRA, or suicide him, etc.
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On December 29 2008 14:07 Kuja900 wrote:
if the godfather tries to recruit someone into the mafia but that person is protecting by the medic does he waste that recruit like will he only be able to do it one more time at 1/2 or will he still have both uses at 2/2?
yes he wastes it, it's in the rules i hope
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@ Ace: How would you do that? Rolecheck yourself? Rolecheck a dead person? And you still have to waste one of your role checks.
Also you don't know if the other 4 people are legit or not. If you're using a listcheck to find out if you're sane or not...that won't work.
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On December 29 2008 14:06 Ace wrote:
no it doesn't.
As a DT, depending on who you are it's easy to find out if you're sane or not.
1.) You find out someone's role without using a check. This happens multiple times during the game. And it also happens a lot on Day 1.
2.) Put their name on a list with suspected mafia and PM caller.
3.) depending on how the person from part 1 checks you know whether you're sane or not AND you know if the 4 other people are legit or not.
:/
i'm not telling you who's mafia and who isn't on the list
i'm telling how many mafia are on the list ^^^^^^^^^
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On December 29 2008 14:12 redtooth wrote:
get i get in on this?
added, we need one more for the game to start
i already have roles and the day 1 post ready lol
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Hey, I have this friend called 0cz3c1. He posts on my account. He can fill the sixth spot. Just send the PM to "0CZ3C".
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On December 29 2008 14:18 Caller wrote:added, we need one more for the game to start i already have roles and the day 1 post ready lol
^^ No one's going to complain about the game going too slowly this time around, haha.
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On December 29 2008 14:20 0cz3c wrote:
Hey, I have this friend called 0cz3c1. He posts on my account. He can fill the sixth spot. Just send the PM to "0CZ3C".
how about... not.
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I might have edited my post late.
We should change the anarchist role. Make only 1, not 2. Remove the burn the house down thing. Instead, implement:
Anarchist: You are not allowed to vote! (you may obstain). In addition, once during the game you randomly sabotage the vote and nobody dies by lynch.(1)
Or maybe you could make it:
Anarchist: You are not allowed to vote! (you may obstain). In addition, there is a xx% chance (maybe 10%?) that you sabotage the vote and nobody is lynched..(1)
And Caller don't you have 50 already?
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On December 29 2008 14:24 Incognito wrote:
I might have edited my post late.
We should change the anarchist role. Make only 1, not 2. Remove the burn the house down thing. Instead, implement:
Anarchist: You are not allowed to vote! (you may obstain). In addition, once during the game you randomly sabotage the vote and nobody dies by lynch.(1)
that's not as useful methinks
i can change the word to pyromaniac if it makes you feel better
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May not be useful. But right now anarchist is a bit OP. Its like an NRA member that is not hostile to the town. My version might be more fun. Take a look at the second version in my post (that I edited).
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On December 29 2008 14:24 Incognito wrote:
And Caller don't you have 50 already?
#6 was spike's spot. Look at the name.
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On December 29 2008 14:29 Incognito wrote:
May not be useful. But right now anarchist is a bit OP. Its like an NRA member that is not hostile to the town. My version might be more fun. Take a look at the second version in my post (that I edited).
he acts like a pardoner
and we all know that pardoners have routinely been useless T_T
this adds some more incentive for mafia to be more careful with their choices
no more 1a2a3a4a5a ^^
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On December 29 2008 14:10 Caller wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2008 13:27 Incognito wrote:
I'm guessing the answer is no. It makes sense that way. They both shoot each other. There's only 1 NRA member. Also if a DT tries to check...then dead. So the mafia can impersonate NRA members... the NRA member kills the first person that sees him no matter what. So their actions don't do anything. i.e. if the mafia puts one hit and nobody else does anything the NRA member kills the mafia and stays alive. However, if a dt visits and gets killed, then the mafia can put one hit on the NRA member and he dies, or mafia can double stack the NRA, or suicide him, etc.
which means unless they get lucky that a townie checks the NRA, mafia have no safe way of killing the NRA guy.
Actually they never will. Martyr just gets the NRA guy that night. Whether he dies or not from now the town knows for no one to check him.
The mafia have to send at least 2 people to kill him, which means they always lose out.
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On December 29 2008 14:12 Incognito wrote:
@ Ace: How would you do that? Rolecheck yourself? Rolecheck a dead person? And you still have to waste one of your role checks.
Also you don't know if the other 4 people are legit or not. If you're using a listcheck to find out if you're sane or not...that won't work.
if 80% of the list flips red what then? You just found out.
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On December 29 2008 14:42 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2008 14:10 Caller wrote:On December 29 2008 13:27 Incognito wrote:
I'm guessing the answer is no. It makes sense that way. They both shoot each other. There's only 1 NRA member. Also if a DT tries to check...then dead. So the mafia can impersonate NRA members... the NRA member kills the first person that sees him no matter what. So their actions don't do anything. i.e. if the mafia puts one hit and nobody else does anything the NRA member kills the mafia and stays alive. However, if a dt visits and gets killed, then the mafia can put one hit on the NRA member and he dies, or mafia can double stack the NRA, or suicide him, etc. which means unless they get lucky that a townie checks the NRA, mafia have no safe way of killing the NRA guy. Actually they never will. Martyr just gets the NRA guy that night. Whether he dies or not from now the town knows for no one to check him. The mafia have to send at least 2 people to kill him, which means they always lose out.
the mafia doesnt have to kill him lol
nobody finds out who the nra member is and there are no clues
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On December 29 2008 14:16 Caller wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2008 14:06 Ace wrote:
no it doesn't.
As a DT, depending on who you are it's easy to find out if you're sane or not.
1.) You find out someone's role without using a check. This happens multiple times during the game. And it also happens a lot on Day 1.
2.) Put their name on a list with suspected mafia and PM caller.
3.) depending on how the person from part 1 checks you know whether you're sane or not AND you know if the 4 other people are legit or not.
:/ i'm not telling you who's mafia and who isn't on the list i'm telling how many mafia are on the list ^^^^^^^^^
same thing, if a high ratio flips red you pretty much know if you're sane or not. you'd have to be pretty lucky and hope it's not a 40/60 split, in which case you still win because you just role claim to the town and present your list. Tell any townie to tell you their role so you can role check them.
Lol game over?
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On December 29 2008 14:44 Caller wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2008 14:42 Ace wrote:On December 29 2008 14:10 Caller wrote:On December 29 2008 13:27 Incognito wrote:
I'm guessing the answer is no. It makes sense that way. They both shoot each other. There's only 1 NRA member. Also if a DT tries to check...then dead. So the mafia can impersonate NRA members... the NRA member kills the first person that sees him no matter what. So their actions don't do anything. i.e. if the mafia puts one hit and nobody else does anything the NRA member kills the mafia and stays alive. However, if a dt visits and gets killed, then the mafia can put one hit on the NRA member and he dies, or mafia can double stack the NRA, or suicide him, etc. which means unless they get lucky that a townie checks the NRA, mafia have no safe way of killing the NRA guy. Actually they never will. Martyr just gets the NRA guy that night. Whether he dies or not from now the town knows for no one to check him. The mafia have to send at least 2 people to kill him, which means they always lose out. the mafia doesnt have to kill him lol nobody finds out who the nra member is and there are no clues
if the mafia never kill him THEY LOSE.
They can't silence him, because then the rockstar speaks up.
Game?
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On December 29 2008 14:46 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2008 14:44 Caller wrote:On December 29 2008 14:42 Ace wrote:On December 29 2008 14:10 Caller wrote:On December 29 2008 13:27 Incognito wrote:
I'm guessing the answer is no. It makes sense that way. They both shoot each other. There's only 1 NRA member. Also if a DT tries to check...then dead. So the mafia can impersonate NRA members... the NRA member kills the first person that sees him no matter what. So their actions don't do anything. i.e. if the mafia puts one hit and nobody else does anything the NRA member kills the mafia and stays alive. However, if a dt visits and gets killed, then the mafia can put one hit on the NRA member and he dies, or mafia can double stack the NRA, or suicide him, etc. which means unless they get lucky that a townie checks the NRA, mafia have no safe way of killing the NRA guy. Actually they never will. Martyr just gets the NRA guy that night. Whether he dies or not from now the town knows for no one to check him. The mafia have to send at least 2 people to kill him, which means they always lose out. the mafia doesnt have to kill him lol nobody finds out who the nra member is and there are no clues if the mafia never kill him THEY LOSE. They can't silence him, because then the rockstar speaks up. Game?
how do you prove you're rockstar
and who's to prove nra is nra without losing a dt or medic or vig or w/e
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How is the detective's ability "game over"? Each gets to use it once. lol
Edit: I somewhat agree with Ace on that last note, but it could easily be fixed. If the NRA guy roleclaims and mafia can't kill him at night + the town doesn't lynch him during the night, there's no possible way the mafia could win since the NRA guy would always remain. Unless the terms of victory are "if mafia are equal or more in number than the town, mafia wins."
In that case, the NRA guy is just ignored the entire game, which I guess is fair.
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LOL just what a thought the NRA makes it imposible to play caller, mafia has no viable way to deal with him.
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On December 29 2008 14:49 Caller wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2008 14:46 Ace wrote:On December 29 2008 14:44 Caller wrote:On December 29 2008 14:42 Ace wrote:On December 29 2008 14:10 Caller wrote:On December 29 2008 13:27 Incognito wrote:
I'm guessing the answer is no. It makes sense that way. They both shoot each other. There's only 1 NRA member. Also if a DT tries to check...then dead. So the mafia can impersonate NRA members... the NRA member kills the first person that sees him no matter what. So their actions don't do anything. i.e. if the mafia puts one hit and nobody else does anything the NRA member kills the mafia and stays alive. However, if a dt visits and gets killed, then the mafia can put one hit on the NRA member and he dies, or mafia can double stack the NRA, or suicide him, etc. which means unless they get lucky that a townie checks the NRA, mafia have no safe way of killing the NRA guy. Actually they never will. Martyr just gets the NRA guy that night. Whether he dies or not from now the town knows for no one to check him. The mafia have to send at least 2 people to kill him, which means they always lose out. the mafia doesnt have to kill him lol nobody finds out who the nra member is and there are no clues if the mafia never kill him THEY LOSE. They can't silence him, because then the rockstar speaks up. Game? how do you prove you're rockstar and who's to prove nra is nra without losing a dt or medic or vig or w/e
Trading a used or unused blue for an invencible player? i call.
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On December 29 2008 14:52 malongo wrote:
LOL just what a thought the NRA makes it imposible to play caller, mafia has no viable way to deal with him.
they could just not kill him
they could fake role claim him
they could suicide him
they could silence his ass
etcetcetcetcetcetc
and there's no way to prove nra is nra without losing a medic/vig/dt
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On December 29 2008 14:53 malongo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2008 14:49 Caller wrote:On December 29 2008 14:46 Ace wrote:On December 29 2008 14:44 Caller wrote:On December 29 2008 14:42 Ace wrote:On December 29 2008 14:10 Caller wrote:On December 29 2008 13:27 Incognito wrote:
I'm guessing the answer is no. It makes sense that way. They both shoot each other. There's only 1 NRA member. Also if a DT tries to check...then dead. So the mafia can impersonate NRA members... the NRA member kills the first person that sees him no matter what. So their actions don't do anything. i.e. if the mafia puts one hit and nobody else does anything the NRA member kills the mafia and stays alive. However, if a dt visits and gets killed, then the mafia can put one hit on the NRA member and he dies, or mafia can double stack the NRA, or suicide him, etc. which means unless they get lucky that a townie checks the NRA, mafia have no safe way of killing the NRA guy. Actually they never will. Martyr just gets the NRA guy that night. Whether he dies or not from now the town knows for no one to check him. The mafia have to send at least 2 people to kill him, which means they always lose out. the mafia doesnt have to kill him lol nobody finds out who the nra member is and there are no clues if the mafia never kill him THEY LOSE. They can't silence him, because then the rockstar speaks up. Game? how do you prove you're rockstar and who's to prove nra is nra without losing a dt or medic or vig or w/e Trading a used or unused blue for an invencible player? i call.
again, he's not invincible, he can get double stacked
more importantly, lets say day 1 some dt checks someone and they die, i report that as soon as they send the role reveal in. it'd be a "news flash."
then mafia knows they can hit nra and would look for the logical targets of the rolecheck
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we still need one more person by the way!
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On December 29 2008 14:32 Caller wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2008 14:29 Incognito wrote:
May not be useful. But right now anarchist is a bit OP. Its like an NRA member that is not hostile to the town. My version might be more fun. Take a look at the second version in my post (that I edited). he acts like a pardoner and we all know that pardoners have routinely been useless T_T this adds some more incentive for mafia to be more careful with their choices no more 1a2a3a4a5a ^^
But random pardons are fun
NRA works better when there are more mafia. Mafia doesn't have to kill NRA. They just have to make sure he's still alive by the time they outnumber the town. Solution:
NRA Member: You shoot anyone and anything that pokes its head out at you. The first person (medic, DT, mafia) that tries to visit you each day/night gets instantly killed. Listchecks and cluechecks do not count, but everything else is. You are not allowed to role claim NRA Member. If you attempt to do so, you will be modkilled.(1)
*Fixed*
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On December 29 2008 14:50 LucasWoJ wrote:
How is the detective's ability "game over"? Each gets to use it once. lol
Edit: I somewhat agree with Ace on that last note, but it could easily be fixed. If the NRA guy roleclaims and mafia can't kill him at night + the town doesn't lynch him during the night, there's no possible way the mafia could win since the NRA guy would always remain. Unless the terms of victory are "if mafia are equal or more in number than the town, mafia wins."
In that case, the NRA guy is just ignored the entire game, which I guess is fair.
that is the assumed terms of victory
besides mafia can always claim that so and so is mafia and lynch him, ez.
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Mafia can just lynch the NRA member at the end of the game when they outnumber the town.
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On December 29 2008 14:49 Caller wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2008 14:46 Ace wrote:On December 29 2008 14:44 Caller wrote:On December 29 2008 14:42 Ace wrote:On December 29 2008 14:10 Caller wrote:On December 29 2008 13:27 Incognito wrote:
I'm guessing the answer is no. It makes sense that way. They both shoot each other. There's only 1 NRA member. Also if a DT tries to check...then dead. So the mafia can impersonate NRA members... the NRA member kills the first person that sees him no matter what. So their actions don't do anything. i.e. if the mafia puts one hit and nobody else does anything the NRA member kills the mafia and stays alive. However, if a dt visits and gets killed, then the mafia can put one hit on the NRA member and he dies, or mafia can double stack the NRA, or suicide him, etc. which means unless they get lucky that a townie checks the NRA, mafia have no safe way of killing the NRA guy. Actually they never will. Martyr just gets the NRA guy that night. Whether he dies or not from now the town knows for no one to check him. The mafia have to send at least 2 people to kill him, which means they always lose out. the mafia doesnt have to kill him lol nobody finds out who the nra member is and there are no clues if the mafia never kill him THEY LOSE. They can't silence him, because then the rockstar speaks up. Game? how do you prove you're rockstar and who's to prove nra is nra without losing a dt or medic or vig or w/e
Easy.
Rockstar has 2 bodyguards right?
PM the NRA guy, and have both of your bodyguards independtly PM him the same name.
It's either 3 confirmed townies or 3 confirmed mafia. Take your pick.
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Or you could make it so that the NRA is a paranoid townie who does not know he is NRA.
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On December 29 2008 14:50 LucasWoJ wrote:
How is the detective's ability "game over"? Each gets to use it once. lol
all it takes is one time for the game to go from crazy to completely unfair
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On December 29 2008 15:00 Incognito wrote:
Or you could make it so that the NRA is a paranoid townie who does not know he is NRA.
i actually like this idea
although then we'd have to change name lol
kind of hard to realize ur not a member of a voluntary organization
NRA member is now Trigger-Happy
Gets townie pm
does not realize he is Trigger-Happy
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Paranoid gun owner.
Angry farmer.
Old woman.
One of those should work.
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you guys keep assuming everyone playing is going to be stupid :/
The mafia can't not touch the NRA guy. He becomes the spokesperson. If he is visited and kills a DT or Medic the martyr just prots him and the mafia can't kill him that night. From now on no one ever visits him and the entire game knows he is the NRA guy. You're back at Square 1 down 2 townies but have an invincible mouth piece. You silence him, the Rockstar steps up.
Mafia can't deal with both of them. After 1 day of both of them being in the open the game is over as everyone sends them their info. The DTs now know 2 and possibly 4 confirmed townies. They send their list to caller with names on it. Whichever way it flips, they already know 2/5ths of the list are INNOCENT.
Do you see how ugly this can get? How do you as mafia stop this? Role claim DT? They just tell you to role check a list of 5 names and send them back the ratio. You can't skew it, because you don't know if they know the other 3 names are mafia or townie. Hence, it's a trap you can't get out of even if you wanted to get INTO it.
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On December 29 2008 15:05 Ace wrote:
you guys keep assuming everyone playing is going to be stupid :/
The mafia can't not touch the NRA guy. He becomes the spokesperson. If he is visited and kills a DT or Medic the martyr just prots him and the mafia can't kill him that night. From now on no one ever visits him and the entire game knows he is the NRA guy. You're back at Square 1 down 2 townies but have an invincible mouth piece. You silence him, the Rockstar steps up.
Mafia can't deal with both of them. After 1 day of both of them being in the open the game is over as everyone sends them their info. The DTs now know 2 and possibly 4 confirmed townies. They send their list to caller with names on it. Whichever way it flips, they already know 2/5ths of the list are INNOCENT.
Do you see how ugly this can get? How do you as mafia stop this? Role claim DT? They just tell you to role check a list of 5 names and send them back the ratio. You can't skew it, because you don't know if they know the other 3 names are mafia or townie. Hence, it's a trap you can't get out of even if you wanted to get INTO it.
we changed the rules for the NRA
he doesn't know hes NRA
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Also Caller are you allowed to rolecheck yourself/dead people?
I think Ace's idea about relying on the odds on list-checking is a bit risky.
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On December 29 2008 15:05 Incognito wrote:
Also Caller are you allowed to rolecheck yourself/dead people?
I think Ace's idea about relying on the odds on list-checking is a bit risky.
no, you can't rolecheck yourself/dead people, their roles will be revealed already
but you can rolecheck someone, have them killed, etc.
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Caller it doesn't matter that he doesn't know. Once someone mysteriously dies "everyone" knows the NRA person has possibly been checked.
assuming whoever checked him doesn't die, then we're back to the same scenario as the living informs the NRA guy of his identity.
the *only* way this can't work is if the living person died but never told anyone who he was checking on (almost like 0% odds the way the town plays)
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On December 29 2008 15:08 Ace wrote:
Caller it doesn't matter that he doesn't know. Once someone mysteriously dies "everyone" knows the NRA person has possibly been checked.
assuming whoever checked him doesn't die, then we're back to the same scenario as the living informs the NRA guy of his identity.
the *only* way this can't work is if the living person died but never told anyone who he was checking on (almost like 0% odds the way the town plays)
the rolecheck comes back as a townie, not trigger-happy
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im not talking about a role check, I'm talking about checked as in any action that has an effect on him (Dt, medic, martyr, mafia)
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Anarchist is also like the NRA. You have not 2 mouthpieces, but 4. But Caller changed NRA member, so you now have 3. Change the Anarchist.
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On December 29 2008 15:11 Incognito wrote:
Anarchist is also like the NRA. You have not 2 mouthpieces, but 4. But Caller changed NRA member, so you now have 3. Change the Anarchist.
Anarchist can't vote
Mafia can fake anarchist pretty easily
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On December 29 2008 15:11 Ace wrote:
im not talking about a role check, I'm talking about checked as in any action that has an effect on him (Dt, medic, martyr, mafia)
so then how would you know you are trigger happy
the person that checks gets shot
and how is someone to just randomly trust random people? this isn't like last game
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Seems like the trigger happy guy should know if he just killed someone, heh.
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On December 29 2008 15:14 ShadowDrgn wrote:
Seems like the trigger happy guy should know if he just killed someone, heh.
nope
think bipolar disorder
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Once someone mysteriously dies, it doesn't matter who was trigger happy. They're basically a sane townie again. And if anyone checks someone and doesn't die, the guy isn't trigger happy. Simple.
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On December 29 2008 15:12 Caller wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2008 15:11 Ace wrote:
im not talking about a role check, I'm talking about checked as in any action that has an effect on him (Dt, medic, martyr, mafia) so then how would you know you are trigger happy the person that checks gets shot and how is someone to just randomly trust random people? this isn't like last game
if the person gets shot and it's not a mafia codename...?
How would you not know they are trigger happy?
and with the way this game is set up it really is not hard to prove yourself. Last game it seems I wasn't DT checked once and you guys believed I was a townie. Behavior analysis is a very heavy indicator of what someone is up to.
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On December 29 2008 15:15 Incognito wrote:
Once someone mysteriously dies, it doesn't matter who was trigger happy. They're basically a sane townie again. And if anyone checks someone and doesn't die, the guy isn't trigger happy. Simple.
dont forget that
a) mafia will have a good idea who may be triggerhappy
b) triggerhappy can be recruited ^_^
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What? Trigger happy cannot be recruited unless you're crazy. Its just like visiting someone. Godfather gets killed.
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On December 29 2008 15:15 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2008 15:12 Caller wrote:On December 29 2008 15:11 Ace wrote:
im not talking about a role check, I'm talking about checked as in any action that has an effect on him (Dt, medic, martyr, mafia) so then how would you know you are trigger happy the person that checks gets shot and how is someone to just randomly trust random people? this isn't like last game if the person gets shot and it's not a mafia codename...? How would you not know they are trigger happy? and with the way this game is set up it really is not hard to prove yourself. Last game it seems I wasn't DT checked once and you guys believed I was a townie. Behavior analysis is a very heavy indicator of what someone is up to.
This is what i'd do if someone gets killed by triggerhappy
and trigger happy has no idea that they're trigger happy
Ace thought he'd do some detective work/do a medical check up on/kill some mafia. Unfortuantely for him he didn't see the sign that said trespassers will be shot, survivors will be shot again. And so Ace died.
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On December 29 2008 15:17 Incognito wrote:
What? Trigger happy cannot be recruited unless you're crazy. Its just like visiting someone. Godfather gets killed.
send in a hit ahead of the godfather. ez.
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On December 29 2008 15:18 KH1031 wrote:
too late to sign up?
you actually took the last spot
yay we can start shipping out roles tomorrow
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On December 29 2008 15:17 Caller wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2008 15:17 Incognito wrote:
What? Trigger happy cannot be recruited unless you're crazy. Its just like visiting someone. Godfather gets killed. send in a hit ahead of the godfather. ez.
still has to sac to recruit him though. although in this case i guess the benefit of gaining NRA member outweighs the cost of a regular mafia
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...in that case trigger happy would just be a normal townie again. Not a big deal. Which means useless. Unless you changed it to trigger happy is always trigger happy, not only on the first visit.
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On December 29 2008 15:19 Incognito wrote:
...in that case trigger happy would just be a normal townie again. Not a big deal. Which means useless. Unless you changed it to trigger happy is always trigger happy, not only on the first visit.
trigger happy is always trigger happy
he kills the first person that sees him each day
after that the next person can visit him, etc.
and you keep the role even if you are converted
ltt is helping me out fyi
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by the way roles are going out day post will be up tomorrow
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On December 29 2008 15:18 KH1031 wrote:
too late to sign up?
Not at all sir!
yesyesyesyesyesyes
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Then change this:
Trigger-Happy: You shoot anyone and anything that pokes its head out at you. The first person (medic, DT, mafia) that tries to visit you each day/night gets instantly killed. Listchecks and cluechecks do not count, but everything else is. You also don't know you are the NRA member-your role PM will be Townie and rolechecks will reveal you as townie.(1)
and also, who's Itt?
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On December 29 2008 15:22 Caller wrote:
by the way roles are going out day post will be up tomorrow
hooray! i love the speed that you do this with, hardly a day without TL mafia hahah
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caller i dont like the idea of "invencible" players. For the mafia the only way to deal with him is to recruit him (or send a random shot expecting not to be the first that night). And if he is recruited the only way for town to "guess" is lynching in wich case is unlikely because it cant be know for sure if hes mafia or not. If you keep it that way the game will go around him most of the time. Just my opinion.
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*edit*
wait...if he's always trigger happy you can never recruit him.
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On December 29 2008 15:25 malongo wrote:
caller i dont like the idea of "invencible" players. For the mafia the only way to deal with him is to recruit him (or send a random shot expecting not to be the first that night). And if he is recruited the only way for town to "guess" is lynching in wich case is unlikely because it cant be know for sure if hes mafia or not. If you keep it that way the game will go around him most of the time. Just my opinion.
Trigger happy isn't invincible. But Anarchist is. Although mafia can impersonate, its basically two people who can't be mafia killed. Which means if the number of mafia goes to 2 or below, they lose since they can't kill/get rid of the anarchists.
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On December 29 2008 15:23 Incognito wrote:
Then change this:
Trigger-Happy: You shoot anyone and anything that pokes its head out at you. The first person (medic, DT, mafia) that tries to visit you each day/night gets instantly killed. Listchecks and cluechecks do not count, but everything else is. You also don't know you are the NRA member-your role PM will be Townie and rolechecks will reveal you as townie.(1)
and also, who's Itt?
I am LTT. I am here to help out Caller and answer questions if I can.
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On December 29 2008 15:33 LTT wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2008 15:23 Incognito wrote:
Then change this:
Trigger-Happy: You shoot anyone and anything that pokes its head out at you. The first person (medic, DT, mafia) that tries to visit you each day/night gets instantly killed. Listchecks and cluechecks do not count, but everything else is. You also don't know you are the NRA member-your role PM will be Townie and rolechecks will reveal you as townie.(1)
and also, who's Itt? I am LTT. I am here to help out Caller and answer questions if I can.
Oh HI
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Thread just dies after roles are sent out
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Roles have been delivered! Day 1 will be up in 10 hours.
Night.
dont bitch to me regarding your role, lol
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I have to agree with NRA member being a bit too weird. However all in all, I believe the Mafia might actually be the one overpowered. With Vets now down to two lifes and no extra Town KP (Zombies, eckhm), this seems to be in favour of the Mafia.
Add to that we won't even know how many there are.
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So just wait for Day 1 post right?
Rock star was an assigned vote, correct? No elections or anything like that..
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Rock star was an assigned role like all of the others. There are no elections in this mafia game.
You can post whenever you wish. You obviously can't use any actions yet. I do not know if there will be any clues in the first day post as Caller didn't mention it either way. But there is no reason you can't post in the thread. There's nothing stopping Mafia from plotting through pms now so there shouldn't be anything to stop townies from talking in the thread.
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By the way guys once the silencer comes into play if Ace isnt being chain silenced hes mafia for sure
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Fuck mafia.
You are all going down you mother fucking bitches.
SUP!?
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On December 29 2008 16:18 Kuja900 wrote:
By the way guys once the silencer comes into play if Ace isnt being chain silenced hes mafia for sure
no, silencer doesn't know who the mafia are. meaning it is possible that Ace could be mafia and be silenced by a silencer who didn't know any better.
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On December 29 2008 16:23 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2008 16:18 Kuja900 wrote:
By the way guys once the silencer comes into play if Ace isnt being chain silenced hes mafia for sure no, silencer doesn't know who the mafia are. meaning it is possible that Ace could be mafia and be silenced by a silencer who didn't know any better.
Dont you tell me if silencer knows lol i was mafia last game, we give him instructions after he joins us malongo you pet ^_^, i suppose i refer to after the silencer joins up its easier for the mafia to find him then you think, we were in contact for few days before we had him join us to sustain our kp. I very much suspect that it wont take long for them to get in cahoots.
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So nice being able to post last game i had to hide my siggy to avoid being lynched lol
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On December 29 2008 16:34 Kuja900 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2008 16:23 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:On December 29 2008 16:18 Kuja900 wrote:
By the way guys once the silencer comes into play if Ace isnt being chain silenced hes mafia for sure no, silencer doesn't know who the mafia are. meaning it is possible that Ace could be mafia and be silenced by a silencer who didn't know any better. Dont you tell me if silencer knows lol i was mafia last game, we give him instructions after he joins us malongo you pet ^_^, i suppose i refer to after the silencer joins up its easier for the mafia to find him then you think, we were in contact for few days before we had him join us to sustain our kp. I very much suspect that it wont take long for them to get in cahoots.
yes i know you were mafia last time. and it may not take long for mafia and silencer to find one another, but who knows. he could also avoid silencing Ace to cast that small extra suspicion on Ace, a player who many townies are reluctant to trust (i.e. last game) because he's a wily bastard.
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btw Caller I hope you actually reinforce the editing and dead posting rules. last game was a clusterfuck of that and i hope i speak for others as well when i say i'd like to see that at a minimum.
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lol okay, no more editing from me <3 just triple posting!
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On December 29 2008 16:42 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
w00t w00t
I remember what you wrote.
-MafiaRoL
isn't that right?
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Yar, let the games begin!
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On December 29 2008 16:54 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
lol okay, no more editing from me <3 just triple posting!
hehe
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On December 29 2008 16:41 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2008 16:34 Kuja900 wrote:On December 29 2008 16:23 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:On December 29 2008 16:18 Kuja900 wrote:
By the way guys once the silencer comes into play if Ace isnt being chain silenced hes mafia for sure no, silencer doesn't know who the mafia are. meaning it is possible that Ace could be mafia and be silenced by a silencer who didn't know any better. Dont you tell me if silencer knows lol i was mafia last game, we give him instructions after he joins us malongo you pet ^_^, i suppose i refer to after the silencer joins up its easier for the mafia to find him then you think, we were in contact for few days before we had him join us to sustain our kp. I very much suspect that it wont take long for them to get in cahoots. yes i know you were mafia last time. and it may not take long for mafia and silencer to find one another, but who knows. he could also avoid silencing Ace to cast that small extra suspicion on Ace, a player who many townies are reluctant to trust (i.e. last game) because he's a wily bastard.
Straightup i could get any role in the game and id still vote to lynch Ace hes just to much of a fishy character
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already trying to get me killed?
And how am I fishy when the game has just started. come on I'm waiting for an explanation.
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Crap, just letting you guys know that I'll be very inactive/not posting tomorrow and possibly the day after. I'm afraid of these new rules xP!
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Sounds like a likely excuse for a mafia!
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No, I just don't want to be ninja killed like last game's nonposters xP. I'll still post if I get access to a computer.
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And now we wait for the game to begin, yay oh diidly yay
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On December 29 2008 16:54 Ace wrote:I remember what you wrote. -MafiaRoL isn't that right?
Actually, it was mafaiRoL.
I typoed Mafia, then decided that the message was pointless anyway
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just post a friendly hello nevake and we will all be content with your continued existence.
but seriously, I am going to vigi kill you.
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On December 29 2008 17:45 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
just post a friendly hello nevake and we will all be content with your continued existence.
but seriously, I am going to vigi kill you.
pff, I will pull your tongue out, and then stuff a shotgun where the sun don't shine. Get off my property yo
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listen, don't be mad because I owned your mafia game with my superior skill and wisdom last game.
FACE.
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Ok things I learned from last game.
Ver is a genius.
Whoever is a dt please check Ver and headbanga, we need to know right off if smart people are mafia or not. Last game (I was mafia for those who didn't play) we fucked the town up by targeting smart players and smart but silent players, we need to know which of the smart players we can trust right away.
Other then that I noticed 90% of mafia rarely rarely posted and they did it normally solo, I was different I went on tangents constantly until my death, but like decaf posted once all game or something, nevake only posted bad ideas and plans, rebirth posted nonsense, dinmsab or whatever is name was (sorry I forgot) posted very very rarely and always provided inteligent 'sounding' ideas.
Things to look for, last game Ace was super open and helpfull, abliet wrong many many times. Pay attention to him guys, although be carefull last game we went out of our ways to divide ace from other game members and confuse the medics. This town must be more sytematic.
Medics, do not blindly trust somebody who starts sending you messages, if somebody is messaging you and sounds stupid/weird immediately do not trust them until proof is provided.
DTs, please quickly create a circle of trust, and do not post it, last game alliances were way to transparent.
Last game was my first game and I pretended to be a moron, which was fun but in the end the game was very easy since players like vivi and chaoser were easily dupped and the medics never once protected key figures. I do not understand how a few of the new characters play out exactly but it seems like deceit and blind luck will play a larger factor.
About Clues I am rooting for a trust your gut appoach. What I mean by that is if you suspect 2-3 people of being potential mafia, then after the clues are up, immediately wikipedia,google there name and things about it. Caller has to get his clues from somewhere right? I will try and play a large part in prompt clue analyis.
Good luck and Have fun everybody!
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On December 29 2008 18:03 AttackZerg wrote:
Ok things I learned from last game.
Ver is a genius.
Whoever is a dt please check Ver and headbanga, we need to know right off if smart people are mafia or not. Last game (I was mafia for those who didn't play) we fucked the town up by targeting smart players and smart but silent players, we need to know which of the smart players we can trust right away.
Other then that I noticed 90% of mafia rarely rarely posted and they did it normally solo, I was different I went on tangents constantly until my death, but like decaf posted once all game or something, nevake only posted bad ideas and plans, rebirth posted nonsense, dinmsab or whatever is name was (sorry I forgot) posted very very rarely and always provided inteligent 'sounding' ideas.
Things to look for, last game Ace was super open and helpfull, abliet wrong many many times. Pay attention to him guys, although be carefull last game we went out of our ways to divide ace from other game members and confuse the medics. This town must be more sytematic.
Medics, do not blindly trust somebody who starts sending you messages, if somebody is messaging you and sounds stupid/weird immediately do not trust them until proof is provided.
DTs, please quickly create a circle of trust, and do not post it, last game alliances were way to transparent.
Last game was my first game and I pretended to be a moron, which was fun but in the end the game was very easy since players like vivi and chaoser were easily dupped and the medics never once protected key figures. I do not understand how a few of the new characters play out exactly but it seems like deceit and blind luck will play a larger factor.
About Clues I am rooting for a trust your gut appoach. What I mean by that is if you suspect 2-3 people of being potential mafia, then after the clues are up, immediately wikipedia,google there name and things about it. Caller has to get his clues from somewhere right? I will try and play a large part in prompt clue analyis.
Good luck and Have fun everybody!
OMG INTELLIGENT IDEAS GUYS< BEFORE CLUE UP< HE RED LYNCH LYNCH
;p oh wait, im not you from last game. haha
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hahaha
I <3 you BC
You sexy chef
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to avoid any editing post threads.
TO ALL DT"S
before any of you retards just look at attackzergs analysis, go over the last few mafia games, and check the Huge players who pull out the town victories. Game 3 there were like 5 people, last game look at the people who were smart(there were a few) mafia 2 main analyzers etc...
All clue analyzers who are decent and in this game are more important to keep alive if they are blue or green than random player who just bandwagons and follows instructions. Lack of decent clue analyzers in my game is what cost the town the victory, and only red kills came from insanely lucky checks by the dt. Clue analyzers give lists of potential mafia, and if they happen to die at night, it means normally they are on to something. Watch for these people, check their legitimacy and keep them alive with all your might and we can win. Also, if you random find the rockstar, drag as many innocents you can confirm into the web, as per the norm.
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So does this mean you don't still hate me AZ?
gimme a hug you sex icon.
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On December 29 2008 18:11 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
So does this mean you don't still hate me AZ?
gimme a hug you sex icon.
I only hated you because I wanted you to suicide bomb and you didn't!
Its all love.
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On December 29 2008 18:03 AttackZerg wrote:
Ok things I learned from last game.
Ver is a genius.
Whoever is a dt please check Ver and headbanga, we need to know right off if smart people are mafia or not. Last game (I was mafia for those who didn't play) we fucked the town up by targeting smart players and smart but silent players, we need to know which of the smart players we can trust right away.
Other then that I noticed 90% of mafia rarely rarely posted and they did it normally solo, I was different I went on tangents constantly until my death, but like decaf posted once all game or something, nevake only posted bad ideas and plans, rebirth posted nonsense, dinmsab or whatever is name was (sorry I forgot) posted very very rarely and always provided inteligent 'sounding' ideas.
Things to look for, last game Ace was super open and helpfull, abliet wrong many many times. Pay attention to him guys, although be carefull last game we went out of our ways to divide ace from other game members and confuse the medics. This town must be more sytematic.
Medics, do not blindly trust somebody who starts sending you messages, if somebody is messaging you and sounds stupid/weird immediately do not trust them until proof is provided.
DTs, please quickly create a circle of trust, and do not post it, last game alliances were way to transparent.
Last game was my first game and I pretended to be a moron, which was fun but in the end the game was very easy since players like vivi and chaoser were easily dupped and the medics never once protected key figures. I do not understand how a few of the new characters play out exactly but it seems like deceit and blind luck will play a larger factor.
About Clues I am rooting for a trust your gut appoach. What I mean by that is if you suspect 2-3 people of being potential mafia, then after the clues are up, immediately wikipedia,google there name and things about it. Caller has to get his clues from somewhere right? I will try and play a large part in prompt clue analyis.
Good luck and Have fun everybody!
I suppose I will share some of my experiences from last mafia game aswell, btw attackzerg your one crazy bastard.
1. Alot of the mafia dont vote to avoid list checks, this may change according to their strategy this game.
2. Dt check Ver/Ace and Ver if you are mafia remember our dont ass rape me agreement thnks ^_^
3. If the mafia is any good behavior analysis will butcher us. If youve played past mafia games do not act out of character people from them will remember how you acted and if in that game you were a boring towny who never posted but the next game you magically started posting analysis and the like it is a strong indicator that you have a blue role this game. So STAY CONSISTENT
4. Last game clues led to no avail, the town was retarded no offense and the town literally gained nothing off any of the clues. Btw no offense to BC i personally found his clues very adequate. Targets based off clues should always be a last resort most of our mafia kills will be from the DT work. Also the people who posted long analysis that were all wrong last game will do the same thing this game, if you dont know who these people are take a look at who was mafia and go back through the last mafia game and read their clue analysis you will LOL. Some people are just plain bad at analyzing clues and dont realize it, recognize these people quickly.
5. Attackzerg really is a crazy bastard
6. The mafia is and always will be more coordinated then the town. Last game we set up an IRC and debated and discussed hits/strategy non-end. It is very important for the DTs to find a strong player they can trust and to find each other and coordinate. Small and multiple innercircles that include Dts will help the town immensely.
edit: az dont dickride ver so much kthxbai (lolluvuguy)
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Last game Ver told me what to do and I did it and only after I was dead did the town even begin to realize what was going on....
I am a crazy bastard.
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On December 29 2008 18:28 AttackZerg wrote:
Last game Ver told me what to do and I did it and only after I was dead did the town even begin to realize what was going on....
I am a crazy bastard.
You kinda took it a little far and got yourself lynched the town would of lynched some other dude i forget who but u said a little to much lol you played well no worries ^_^ <3
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;p sounds more like you were a faithful puppy good boy attackzerg, sit, stay, jump jump.
Seriously guys, we should just simmer, wait for the day post to come up, watch caller self pwn himself, and get the ball going.
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On December 29 2008 18:31 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
;p sounds more like you were a faithful puppy good boy attackzerg, sit, stay, jump jump.
Seriously guys, we should just simmer, wait for the day post to come up, watch caller self pwn himself, and get the ball going.
You sir are making me horny with all of this good boy talk ..
Just remember if you mess with the ....+ Show Spoiler +
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On December 29 2008 18:22 Kuja900 wrote:
3. If the mafia is any good behavior analysis will butcher us. If youve played past mafia games do not act out of character people from them will remember how you acted and if in that game you were a boring towny who never posted but the next game you magically started posting analysis and the like it is a strong indicator that you have a blue role this game. So STAY CONSISTENT
I don't like this. Everyone should be encouraged to be active.
Otherwise I like your points.
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On December 29 2008 18:35 mikeymoo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2008 18:22 Kuja900 wrote:
3. If the mafia is any good behavior analysis will butcher us. If youve played past mafia games do not act out of character people from them will remember how you acted and if in that game you were a boring towny who never posted but the next game you magically started posting analysis and the like it is a strong indicator that you have a blue role this game. So STAY CONSISTENT
I don't like this. Everyone should be encouraged to be active. Otherwise I like your points.
Everyone should be encouraged to be active yes, but we all know random greens will a) be large faggots and be inactive, or b) do what they want to make the game fun or c) be a 0cz3c and be hilarious yet annoying.
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On December 29 2008 18:43 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2008 18:35 mikeymoo wrote:On December 29 2008 18:22 Kuja900 wrote:
3. If the mafia is any good behavior analysis will butcher us. If youve played past mafia games do not act out of character people from them will remember how you acted and if in that game you were a boring towny who never posted but the next game you magically started posting analysis and the like it is a strong indicator that you have a blue role this game. So STAY CONSISTENT
I don't like this. Everyone should be encouraged to be active. Otherwise I like your points. Everyone should be encouraged to be active yes, but we all know random greens will a) be large faggots and be inactive, or b) do what they want to make the game fun or c) be a 0cz3c and be hilarious yet annoying.
0cz3c really does deserve a class of his own, although he helped the mafia a ton more then the town last game trust me lol..
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He still is his own category though, hense the inclusion of the C option. Maybe i should learn to write poetry
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On December 29 2008 18:35 mikeymoo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2008 18:22 Kuja900 wrote:
3. If the mafia is any good behavior analysis will butcher us. If youve played past mafia games do not act out of character people from them will remember how you acted and if in that game you were a boring towny who never posted but the next game you magically started posting analysis and the like it is a strong indicator that you have a blue role this game. So STAY CONSISTENT
I don't like this. Everyone should be encouraged to be active. Otherwise I like your points.
True but when people go from no posts at all to in depth analysis it does not go unnoticed, be active but remember radical changes in your behavior from past games is just asking to be lynched.
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On December 29 2008 17:13 nevake wrote:
Crap, just letting you guys know that I'll be very inactive/not posting tomorrow and possibly the day after. I'm afraid of these new rules xP!
Oh yeah this dude is a lier DT check him to lol <3 you nevake (unless your mafia). Last game nevake was our people person, the rest of us mostly stayed quiet cept for attackzerg/nevake/malongo/ver to but he died early.
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And nevake, after attackzerg, was the most obvious mafia to the observer. After LTT encouraged the town to speak, I have a feeling that triggered something in the mafia's head. They tried to overcompensate, and those who sound even remotely awkward when posting will be fished out.
Everyone's probably sleeping right now. =O
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lol except even if you DT check someone and he flips red...
he might not be red after all cause you might be insane!!!
yeah dt check the pro ppl is still a good idea - can find out who to lynch early or align early
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Sounds like an insider talking to an outsider, zeks. How many PMs has the mafia been sending you? Oh, what's that? No PMs? Okay, how many messages have you receives on your choice of communication?
By the way, that's an awful idea. Only a mafia or the village idiot could have suggested it.
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dunno what u mean
the whole "dt checking the good players" idea came from AttackZerg i'm just reiterating what he's saying
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Yeah, I didn't really mean anything. I just woke up and wanted to get things going again since the post should be up soon and no one was posting (assuming work/sleep).
It would actually be stupid not to check up on Ver, etc in any game, but we're going to have to play around with that strategy because there's a (hopefully active) paranoid detective. So I'm just reiterating what you said in your previous post. Nice.
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Ace you should be checked as well -________-
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oh wait they are, ok my bad !
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The insane DT can be a real pain in the ass, anyways i think clazziquai is right Ace should be rolechecked asap. Caller: wheres the day post!!!
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I think it's coming in about thirty minutes. At 10:45 (tl time), he said it was going to be up in 15 hours.
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DAY
It was a bright day in Liquidia and Caller was doing what men usually do on a Saturday morning: struggle out of a bed with a strange woman. It was an unlucky hour for him, struggling with the crap in his head and stumbling to and fro. Finally, after carefully making sure that he didn’t wake her up, he tip-toed over to his desk and tried to think through his massive hangover.
He flipped through pages and pages of information, but there was just so much of it that keeping his files together was impossible in his completely confused state. This was odd, Caller thought, as Caller lacks alcohol dehydrogenase and can only have one or two drinks before passing out.
Caller proceeded to stumble down the stairs into his kitchen and started brewing some tea, to keep him up to focus on his work as mayor of Liquidia. He figured that the mafia would soon be on to him, and that he had to get his information out in a coherent form-one of his mayoral opponents denounced him for speaking in gibberish and being very poor with using lubricant and honoring bets. That guy had left the town a long time ago, though, and he definitely wasn’t in any of the papers.
Caller then heard someone coming down the steps. Assuming it was the hooker, Caller waved a hand nonchalantly toward the stairway when suddenly the person darted about and threw a knife at him, barely missing Caller’s vas deferens. Caller retaliated by pulling out his pistol when suddenly another figure rose out of the ground, knocking him down on the marble floor and banging his neck against the hard kitchen counter. Caller tried to move but couldn’t: his spine had been broken and he was now a quadriplegic.
“You shouldn’t have vetoed the free wheelchairs bill,” smirked a new man, clearly the mafia leader, who strolled in the door, banging to some music on his iPod.
“You won’t get away with this…” gasped Caller as a henchman stopped to admire and memorize the scene. Caller knew this man as an artist, and his memory was perfect.
Before Caller could do anything else, somebody cut his jugular vein, and the blood spilled out, staining the otherwise clean floor. He was finished. One of the mafia stayed to close his eyelids, placing a coin on each. Then they were gone, as fast as they had come.
The town found Caller’s body later that day.
NoClueZone
Time to vote to kill somebody! Please vote in the appropriate blog thread.
http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=84974
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On December 30 2008 01:30 Caller wrote:
DAY
It was a bright day in Liquidia and Caller was doing what men usually do on a Saturday morning: struggle out of a bed with a strange woman. It was an unlucky hour for him, struggling with the crap in his head and stumbling to and fro. Finally, after carefully making sure that he didn’t wake her up, he tip-toed over to his desk and tried to think through his massive hangover.
He flipped through pages and pages of information, but there was just so much of it that keeping his files together was impossible in his completely confused state. This was odd, Caller thought, as Caller lacks alcohol dehydrogenase and can only have one or two drinks before passing out.
Caller proceeded to stumble down the stairs into his kitchen and started brewing some tea, to keep him up to focus on his work as mayor of Liquidia. He figured that the mafia would soon be on to him, and that he had to get his information out in a coherent form-one of his mayoral opponents denounced him for speaking in gibberish and being very poor with using lubricant and honoring bets. That guy had left the town a long time ago, though, and he definitely wasn’t in any of the papers.
Caller then heard someone coming down the steps. Assuming it was the hooker, Caller waved a hand nonchalantly toward the stairway when suddenly the person darted about and threw a knife at him, barely missing Caller’s vas deferens. Caller retaliated by pulling out his pistol when suddenly another figure rose out of the ground, knocking him down on the marble floor and banging his neck against the hard kitchen counter. Caller tried to move but couldn’t: his spine had been broken and he was now a quadriplegic.
“You shouldn’t have vetoed the free wheelchairs bill,” smirked a new man, clearly the mafia leader, who strolled in the door, banging to some music on his iPod.
“You won’t get away with this…” gasped Caller as a henchman stopped to admire and memorize the scene. Caller knew this man as an artist, and his memory was perfect.
Before Caller could do anything else, somebody cut his jugular vein, and the blood spilled out, staining the otherwise clean floor. He was finished. One of the mafia stayed to close his eyelids, placing a coin on each. Then they were gone, as fast as they had come.
The town found Caller’s body later that day.
NoClueZone
Time to vote to kill somebody! Please vote in the appropriate blog thread.
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The boldened parts sound like ostensible clues. I'll try to analyze them.
Edit: I highlighted vas deferens because it might prove to be a killing pattern by a certain mafioso (he missed this time, but if someone is killed like that in the future, we can analyze behavior off of that.) Or it could just be a reference to someone's fetish or something.
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ROFL, i just cannot stop laughing at that picture
vas deferens aka balls btw
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Canada7170 Posts
On December 30 2008 01:30 Caller wrote:
It was a bright day in Liquidia and Caller was doing what men usually do on a Saturday morning: struggle out of a bed with a strange woman. It was an unlucky hour for him, struggling with the crap in his head and stumbling to and fro. Finally, after carefully making sure that he didn’t wake her up, he tip-toed over to his desk and tried to think through his massive hangover.
He flipped through pages and pages of information, but there was just so much of it that keeping his files together was impossible in his completely confused state. This was odd, Caller thought, as Caller lacks alcohol dehydrogenase and can only have one or two drinks before passing out.
Caller proceeded to stumble down the stairs into his kitchen and started brewing some tea, to keep him up to focus on his work as mayor of Liquidia. He figured that the mafia would soon be on to him, and that he had to get his information out in a coherent form-one of his mayoral opponents denounced him for speaking in gibberish and being very poor with using lubricant and honoring bets. That guy had left the town a long time ago, though, and he definitely wasn’t in any of the papers.
Caller then heard someone coming down the steps. Assuming it was the hooker, Caller waved a hand nonchalantly toward the stairway when suddenly the person darted about and threw a knife at him, barely missing Caller’s vas deferens. Caller retaliated by pulling out his pistol when suddenly another figure rose out of the ground, knocking him down on the marble floor and banging his neck against the hard kitchen counter. Caller tried to move but couldn’t: his spine had been broken and he was now a quadriplegic.
“You shouldn’t have vetoed the free wheelchairs bill,” smirked a new man, clearly the mafia leader, who strolled in the door, banging to some music on his iPod.
“You won’t get away with this…” gasped Caller as a henchman stopped to admire and memorize the scene. Caller knew this man as an artist, and his memory was perfect.
Before Caller could do anything else, somebody cut his jugular vein, and the blood spilled out, staining the otherwise clean floor. He was finished. One of the mafia stayed to close his eyelids, placing a coin on each. Then they were gone, as fast as they had come.
The town found Caller’s body later that day.
Obvious things that I'm bolding for preservation.
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Dammit Lucas. Ah well I won't edit that... just takes up space though. >_<
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Clues and some analysis
"Caller waved a hand nonchalantly toward the stairway when suddenly the person darted about and threw a knife at him, barely missing Caller’s vas deferens"
Yet again theres a reallly really weak clue towards MidnightGladius
A gladius is a small type of dagger or knife and the mayor got a knife thrown at him
"Assuming it was the hooker, Caller waved a hand nonchalantly toward the stairway when suddenly the person darted about and threw a knife at him, barely missing Caller’s vas deferens"
In iNfuNdiBuLuM's profile there is this link http://s1.gladiatus.us/game/c.php?uid=103879 which takes you to a page of gladiators, The banner has the name with a knife instead of an i and what do gladiators use to fight, knives and swords etc
Also "barely missing Caller’s vas deferens" points to the picture in iNfuNdiBuLuM's profile. Vas deferens is the tightly wrapped up tubes in your balls, so the knife barely missed his balls, the profile picture is a dog and 2 balls
This is pretty strong
WORKING PROGRESS
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MidnightGladius always gets accused. Let's hang on to that notion, but we should probably wait for clues that indicate it is midnight. This murder happens after Caller wakes up.
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Alright, I've been looking through everyone's profiles and there are a few things that stand out. I'll copy/paste them in a few minutes with a few added notes. Before anything though, the "coins" clue seems to be the only thing that needs analysis for now. Just so everyone knows,
“one of the mafia stayed to close his eyelids, placing a coin on each.”
I think this was already done in one of the previous mafia games. Basically, this is from Greek mythology. Charon, the guy who ferried people over the river Styx, had to be paid for his services. The ancient Greeks put coins on the eyes of their dead to pay Charon. This leads me to believe that the mafia member that did this is either from Greece, studies Greek mythology, is a Greek admirer, or is just superstitious. I'll look through everyone's profiles to see if there is some sort of ambiguous fit.
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I'll try to link the iPod and artist clues to someone in the same way Lucas is doing.
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what, is nobody talking as soon as I post? lol
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On December 30 2008 02:19 LucasWoJ wrote:
Alright, I've been looking through everyone's profiles and there are a few things that stand out. I'll copy/paste them in a few minutes with a few added notes. Before anything though, the "coins" clue seems to be the only thing that needs analysis for now. Just so everyone knows,
“one of the mafia stayed to close his eyelids, placing a coin on each.”
I think this was already done in one of the previous mafia games. Basically, this is from Greek mythology. Charon, the guy who ferried people over the river Styx, had to be paid for his services. The ancient Greeks put coins on the eyes of their dead to pay Charon. This leads me to believe that the mafia member that did this is either from Greece, studies Greek mythology, is a Greek admirer, or is just superstitious. I'll look through everyone's profiles to see if there is some sort of ambiguous fit.
and also i've heard that certain south asian cultures place coins over the dead's eyes so maybe look into that as well?
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The words new man sort of stand out as well. Normally such a phrase refers to a “reformed” person (yes, the positive connotation comes with it). More rarely, but still somewhat often, it refers to a degenerated individual. In this case, it seems like Caller is trying to simply say “someone he had literally not encountered up until that point” but the strange word choice implies something else. I didn't look hard enough to find a link to this.
Ace's profile says “It ends in tears” referring back to the eyes. That's an extremely weak link, and perhaps should just be completely disregarded as it doesn't quite capture the second part of the clue (remotely related to the Greeks). If I analyzed the second part incorrectly, then I guess this is a slightly better match. Death is generally regarded as some sort of an “end” and though the dead person doesn't cry, his friends and family do. This mafioso, if this turns out to be the case, is adding a symbolic element to his death by placing coins (I suppose the coins would pick up a new meaning in this case. That's why I like the Greek thing more.) on Caller's eyes
Ace also says “don't blame me, you should've voted for me the first time.” That sounds similar to what the “new man” is saying. He's justifying his killing by Caller's vetoing the “free wheelchairs bill.”
Latham's quote is “someone has to put back laughter into manslaughter.” The new man smirks because he finds the mayor's death humorous (or at least his statement). Weak link at best. I just want everyone to be aware that it's out there.
Rage's quote in his profile is “sometimes you gotta suck a penis and get ahead in life yo.” There's a reference to the vas deferens. No analysis is needed for this one. Because it's so blatant and still slightly off, I'm inclined to believe it doesn't refer to Rage.
Caller uses the word “suddenly” fairly often. Either it's a poor choice of words (more probable I suppose) or both mafia members share a similar quality. One uses knives and one shoots at penises, and the other uses his fists.
Midnight gladius – this is going to have to be brought up every mafia game. Don't exclude it because the time it is thrown out the window is the time he might be mafia. A gladius is a knife. A mafioso throws a knife. However, nothing in his profile related to penises so the link to him is still tentative.
I can't find any link to wheelchairs in particular. If someone else is looking, it could simply be a joke by the Godfather (or if he's really handicapped in some way, I imagine he'll be killing everyone in very imaginative ways.) http://www.freewheelchairmission.org/press/william_imagine.html There's no such thing called the free wheelchair bill, unless I'm not looking hard enough.
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On December 30 2008 03:01 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2008 02:19 LucasWoJ wrote:
Alright, I've been looking through everyone's profiles and there are a few things that stand out. I'll copy/paste them in a few minutes with a few added notes. Before anything though, the "coins" clue seems to be the only thing that needs analysis for now. Just so everyone knows,
“one of the mafia stayed to close his eyelids, placing a coin on each.”
I think this was already done in one of the previous mafia games. Basically, this is from Greek mythology. Charon, the guy who ferried people over the river Styx, had to be paid for his services. The ancient Greeks put coins on the eyes of their dead to pay Charon. This leads me to believe that the mafia member that did this is either from Greece, studies Greek mythology, is a Greek admirer, or is just superstitious. I'll look through everyone's profiles to see if there is some sort of ambiguous fit.
and also i've heard that certain south asian cultures place coins over the dead's eyes so maybe look into that as well?
Sketchy. Source for this?
Edit: The infundumulum clue sounds promising. The balls, representing a man's testicles, in the dog's mouth are a strong fit for the mafioso's fetish (I hope that's not proven to be a stretch with the second day's clues) of penises. Furthermore, his method of killing the guy is by throwing a knife at him; infundumbulum's profile links to a game with the word "gladius" in it.
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On December 30 2008 03:03 LucasWoJ wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2008 03:01 chaoser wrote:On December 30 2008 02:19 LucasWoJ wrote:
Alright, I've been looking through everyone's profiles and there are a few things that stand out. I'll copy/paste them in a few minutes with a few added notes. Before anything though, the "coins" clue seems to be the only thing that needs analysis for now. Just so everyone knows,
“one of the mafia stayed to close his eyelids, placing a coin on each.”
I think this was already done in one of the previous mafia games. Basically, this is from Greek mythology. Charon, the guy who ferried people over the river Styx, had to be paid for his services. The ancient Greeks put coins on the eyes of their dead to pay Charon. This leads me to believe that the mafia member that did this is either from Greece, studies Greek mythology, is a Greek admirer, or is just superstitious. I'll look through everyone's profiles to see if there is some sort of ambiguous fit.
and also i've heard that certain south asian cultures place coins over the dead's eyes so maybe look into that as well? Sketchy. Source for this?
i'm trying to find it, h/o. i remember i saw it once while doing research for classes
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On December 30 2008 03:08 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2008 03:03 LucasWoJ wrote:On December 30 2008 03:01 chaoser wrote:On December 30 2008 02:19 LucasWoJ wrote:
Alright, I've been looking through everyone's profiles and there are a few things that stand out. I'll copy/paste them in a few minutes with a few added notes. Before anything though, the "coins" clue seems to be the only thing that needs analysis for now. Just so everyone knows,
“one of the mafia stayed to close his eyelids, placing a coin on each.”
I think this was already done in one of the previous mafia games. Basically, this is from Greek mythology. Charon, the guy who ferried people over the river Styx, had to be paid for his services. The ancient Greeks put coins on the eyes of their dead to pay Charon. This leads me to believe that the mafia member that did this is either from Greece, studies Greek mythology, is a Greek admirer, or is just superstitious. I'll look through everyone's profiles to see if there is some sort of ambiguous fit.
and also i've heard that certain south asian cultures place coins over the dead's eyes so maybe look into that as well? Sketchy. Source for this? i'm trying to find it, h/o. i remember i saw it once while doing research for classes
err, my bad, wasn't south asian but all through out depending on culture. i couldn't find the place i think i saw it on but i did find some other sites.
http://www.thebody.com/content/art12211.html
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Is_placing_coins_upon_the_eyes_of_the_deceased_a_Catholic_ritual
not the strongest of sources though
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On December 30 2008 02:19 LucasWoJ wrote:
Alright, I've been looking through everyone's profiles and there are a few things that stand out. I'll copy/paste them in a few minutes with a few added notes. Before anything though, the "coins" clue seems to be the only thing that needs analysis for now. Just so everyone knows,
“one of the mafia stayed to close his eyelids, placing a coin on each.”
I think this was already done in one of the previous mafia games. Basically, this is from Greek mythology. Charon, the guy who ferried people over the river Styx, had to be paid for his services. The ancient Greeks put coins on the eyes of their dead to pay Charon. This leads me to believe that the mafia member that did this is either from Greece, studies Greek mythology, is a Greek admirer, or is just superstitious. I'll look through everyone's profiles to see if there is some sort of ambiguous fit.
Also could be anyone related to Roman mythology because they followed the same tradition after stealing it from the Greeks.
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Remember there's a mole people. So don't go off immediately trusting everyone or telling everyone your role. Clue analysis is good though.
*edit*
Godfather: You appear to DTs as any role of your choice (you cannot change the role that you appear as after you PM to me). In addition, after Day 3, you may pm me the name of one person, and if they are not being watched they are inducted into mafia! (only 2 recruitments possible) (1)
NOTE:Godfather can be killed by NRA member and recruitments are not refundable with the exception of the Village Idiot.
The godfather can appear to be any role of his choice. Hmm...maybe the godfather chose to be a paramedic, since wheelchairs relates to accidents which relates to hospitals and paramedics...
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As far as I'm aware, there are no infundibula in the balls. On top of that, the knife missed his "vas deferens," a tube which is actually inside the body and carries the sperm from your testicles to your wang. It might be a clue, but it doesn't point to me. so i'm just going to stop you guys before you get too far into that.
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I'd go with Rage's quote about the penis. It's extremly related
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Ok. I asked Caller about insane cops. Insane cops see mafia as green. So if you check someone and they turn out to be blue, you know you're not insane.
In short:
Insane mafia sees...
blues as red
greens as red
red as green
They can't see blue.
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On December 30 2008 01:43 Scaramanga wrote:
ROFL, i just cannot stop laughing at that picture
vas deferens aka balls btw
i'd edit this into my post but i can't. you are wrong, vas deferens is a seperate structure connected to the balls, lrn2biology
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On December 30 2008 03:26 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:
As far as I'm aware, there are no infundibula in the balls. On top of that, the knife missed his "vas deferens," a tube which is actually inside the body and carries the sperm from your testicles to your wang. It might be a clue, but it doesn't point to me. so i'm just going to stop you guys before you get too far into that.
How is this not a veeeeeeery strong clue towards you, you have a link to a gladiator site with many references to weapons such as knives, the knive just missed the vas deferens which are tubes that are connected to your testies which is aka balls, your profile picture has a dog with 2 balls in it imo this is enough evidence to hang you tonight
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On December 30 2008 03:28 Incognito wrote:
Ok. I asked Caller about insane cops. Insane cops see mafia as green. So if you check someone and they turn out to be blue, you know you're not insane.
In short:
Insane mafia sees...
blues as red
greens as red
red as green
They can't see blue.
D) One or more of the detectives are insane! They thus view all townies as mafia and all mafia as townies! (blues stay the same). This applies to rolechecks and the list check.
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On December 30 2008 03:32 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2008 03:28 Incognito wrote:
Ok. I asked Caller about insane cops. Insane cops see mafia as green. So if you check someone and they turn out to be blue, you know you're not insane.
In short:
Insane mafia sees...
blues as red
greens as red
red as green
They can't see blue. Show nested quote +D) One or more of the detectives are insane! They thus view all townies as mafia and all mafia as townies! (blues stay the same). This applies to rolechecks and the list check.
Caller's message:
Original Message:
actual roles
the insane cop sees mafias as town and blues + greens as mafia
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On December 30 2008 03:02 LucasWoJ wrote:
Rage's quote in his profile is “sometimes you gotta suck a penis and get ahead in life yo.” There's a reference to the vas deferens. No analysis is needed for this one. Because it's so blatant and still slightly off, I'm inclined to believe it doesn't refer to Rage.
Is there a Rage playing in the first place? i've just checked the player list and there is no rage
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On December 30 2008 03:29 Scaramanga wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2008 03:26 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:
As far as I'm aware, there are no infundibula in the balls. On top of that, the knife missed his "vas deferens," a tube which is actually inside the body and carries the sperm from your testicles to your wang. It might be a clue, but it doesn't point to me. so i'm just going to stop you guys before you get too far into that. How is this not a veeeeeeery strong clue towards you, you have a link to a gladiator site with many references to weapons such as knives, the knive just missed the vas deferens which are tubes inside your testies which is aka balls, your profile picture has a dog with 2 balls in it imo this is enough evidence to hang you tonight
I guess i'll respond to your points one at a time. Mafia have been killing with knives since Chuiu's first game. I only put the link to gladiatus in Mafia 3, wherein it was not in fact a clue to me even though I was mafia. Mafia killed with knives in BC's game, wherein I was not mafia. Just because Gladiators use swords/daggers/axes and a mafia kills someone with a knife, it is not a clue to my profile. If Caller were to make some clue regarding gladiatus, i would imagine to be more related to something like arenas, duels, coloseum, etc. rather than something as simple as "he used a knife and infun has gladiators in his profile, brilliant!!" I think I understand now how ShadowDrgn feels.
also i'll split some hairs here. the vas deferens is outside your testes. it connects them so it's like an in between kind of thing. yeah obviously it's related to balls and the dog in my profile has 2 tennis balls and guys have 2 balls so holy shit it must be me right?
you're trying to get my lynched on one night of flimsy evidence, you can go ahead and try and prove me wrong here, but i think most experienced players know it's better to lynch on behavior rather than the first round of clues which are almost always useless until later on.
edit: spelling
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^ lol.
but we have a rule dilemma with the insane DT. Should we trust Caller? Or Caller?
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On December 30 2008 03:34 Night[Mare wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2008 03:02 LucasWoJ wrote:
Rage's quote in his profile is “sometimes you gotta suck a penis and get ahead in life yo.” There's a reference to the vas deferens. No analysis is needed for this one. Because it's so blatant and still slightly off, I'm inclined to believe it doesn't refer to Rage. Is there a Rage playing in the first place? i've just checked the player list and there is no rage
ctr+f "rage" #51
I'm assuming Caller probably forgot to add him. If that's the case, towny?
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On December 30 2008 03:40 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2008 03:29 Scaramanga wrote:On December 30 2008 03:26 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:
As far as I'm aware, there are no infundibula in the balls. On top of that, the knife missed his "vas deferens," a tube which is actually inside the body and carries the sperm from your testicles to your wang. It might be a clue, but it doesn't point to me. so i'm just going to stop you guys before you get too far into that. How is this not a veeeeeeery strong clue towards you, you have a link to a gladiator site with many references to weapons such as knives, the knive just missed the vas deferens which are tubes inside your testies which is aka balls, your profile picture has a dog with 2 balls in it imo this is enough evidence to hang you tonight I guess i'll respond to your points one at a time. Mafia have been killing with knives since Chuiu's first game. I only put the link to gladiatus in Mafia 3, wherein it was not in fact a clue to me even though I was mafia. Mafia killed with knives in BC's game, wherein I was not mafia. Just because Gladiators use swords/daggers/axes and a mafia kills someone with a knife, it is not a clue to my profile. If Caller were to make some clue regarding gladiatus, i would imagine to be more related to something like arenas, duels, coloseum, etc. rather than something as simple as "he used a knife and infun has gladiators in his profile, brilliant!!" I think I understand now how ShadowDrgn feels. also i'll split some hairs here. the vas deferens is outside your testes. it connects them so it's like an in between kind of thing. yeah obviously it's related to balls and the dog in my profile has 2 tennis balls and guys have 2 balls so holy shit it must be me right? you're trying to get my lynched on one night of flimsy evidence, you can go ahead and try and prove me wrong here, but i think most experienced players know it's better to lynch on behavior rather than the first round of clues which are almost always useless until later on. edit: spelling
Im not trying to get you lynched im just putting it out there that its fucking close to
btw clue analysis >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> behavior analysis no matter how limmited clues you have
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On December 30 2008 03:32 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2008 03:28 Incognito wrote:
Ok. I asked Caller about insane cops. Insane cops see mafia as green. So if you check someone and they turn out to be blue, you know you're not insane.
In short:
Insane mafia sees...
blues as red
greens as red
red as green
They can't see blue. Show nested quote +D) One or more of the detectives are insane! They thus view all townies as mafia and all mafia as townies! (blues stay the same). This applies to rolechecks and the list check.
im an idiot blues are blues according to the insane dt
maibad
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Rage is playing by the way i just forgot to add him to the list
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Rage should be #6 where it says Open.
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On December 30 2008 03:47 Incognito wrote:
Rage should be #6 where it says Open.
there are 50 people playing + village idiot so 51
mai bad
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On December 30 2008 03:45 Scaramanga wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2008 03:40 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:On December 30 2008 03:29 Scaramanga wrote:On December 30 2008 03:26 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:
As far as I'm aware, there are no infundibula in the balls. On top of that, the knife missed his "vas deferens," a tube which is actually inside the body and carries the sperm from your testicles to your wang. It might be a clue, but it doesn't point to me. so i'm just going to stop you guys before you get too far into that. How is this not a veeeeeeery strong clue towards you, you have a link to a gladiator site with many references to weapons such as knives, the knive just missed the vas deferens which are tubes inside your testies which is aka balls, your profile picture has a dog with 2 balls in it imo this is enough evidence to hang you tonight I guess i'll respond to your points one at a time. Mafia have been killing with knives since Chuiu's first game. I only put the link to gladiatus in Mafia 3, wherein it was not in fact a clue to me even though I was mafia. Mafia killed with knives in BC's game, wherein I was not mafia. Just because Gladiators use swords/daggers/axes and a mafia kills someone with a knife, it is not a clue to my profile. If Caller were to make some clue regarding gladiatus, i would imagine to be more related to something like arenas, duels, coloseum, etc. rather than something as simple as "he used a knife and infun has gladiators in his profile, brilliant!!" I think I understand now how ShadowDrgn feels. also i'll split some hairs here. the vas deferens is outside your testes. it connects them so it's like an in between kind of thing. yeah obviously it's related to balls and the dog in my profile has 2 tennis balls and guys have 2 balls so holy shit it must be me right? you're trying to get my lynched on one night of flimsy evidence, you can go ahead and try and prove me wrong here, but i think most experienced players know it's better to lynch on behavior rather than the first round of clues which are almost always useless until later on. edit: spelling Im not trying to get you lynched im just putting it out there that its fucking close
On December 30 2008 03:29 Scaramanga wrote:
imo this is enough evidence to hang you tonight
really.
yes i know its close. that's why i felt the need to say something for myself before i go about my day. you can vote for me if you want, but i'm not mafia.
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and btw i don't care to argue about clue vs. bahavior analysis. In my opinion behavior is much more reliable than clue, however you seem to disagree. I guess we'll leave it at that.
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On December 30 2008 03:50 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:
and btw i don't care to argue about clue vs. bahavior analysis. In my opinion behavior is much more reliable than clue, however you seem to disagree. I guess we'll leave it at that.
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On December 30 2008 03:50 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:
and btw i don't care to argue about clue vs. bahavior analysis. In my opinion behavior is much more reliable than clue, however you seem to disagree. I guess we'll leave it at that.
what.... are you joking?
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On December 30 2008 03:49 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2008 03:45 Scaramanga wrote:On December 30 2008 03:40 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:On December 30 2008 03:29 Scaramanga wrote:On December 30 2008 03:26 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:
As far as I'm aware, there are no infundibula in the balls. On top of that, the knife missed his "vas deferens," a tube which is actually inside the body and carries the sperm from your testicles to your wang. It might be a clue, but it doesn't point to me. so i'm just going to stop you guys before you get too far into that. How is this not a veeeeeeery strong clue towards you, you have a link to a gladiator site with many references to weapons such as knives, the knive just missed the vas deferens which are tubes inside your testies which is aka balls, your profile picture has a dog with 2 balls in it imo this is enough evidence to hang you tonight I guess i'll respond to your points one at a time. Mafia have been killing with knives since Chuiu's first game. I only put the link to gladiatus in Mafia 3, wherein it was not in fact a clue to me even though I was mafia. Mafia killed with knives in BC's game, wherein I was not mafia. Just because Gladiators use swords/daggers/axes and a mafia kills someone with a knife, it is not a clue to my profile. If Caller were to make some clue regarding gladiatus, i would imagine to be more related to something like arenas, duels, coloseum, etc. rather than something as simple as "he used a knife and infun has gladiators in his profile, brilliant!!" I think I understand now how ShadowDrgn feels. also i'll split some hairs here. the vas deferens is outside your testes. it connects them so it's like an in between kind of thing. yeah obviously it's related to balls and the dog in my profile has 2 tennis balls and guys have 2 balls so holy shit it must be me right? you're trying to get my lynched on one night of flimsy evidence, you can go ahead and try and prove me wrong here, but i think most experienced players know it's better to lynch on behavior rather than the first round of clues which are almost always useless until later on. edit: spelling Im not trying to get you lynched im just putting it out there that its fucking close Show nested quote +On December 30 2008 03:29 Scaramanga wrote:
imo this is enough evidence to hang you tonight really. yes i know its close. that's why i felt the need to say something for myself before i go about my day. you can vote for me if you want, but i'm not mafia.
IMO isnt your opnion last time i checked, i just said that in my opnion there is enough evidence to lynch and people should think about it
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On December 30 2008 03:50 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:
and btw i don't care to argue about clue vs. bahavior analysis. In my opinion behavior is much more reliable than clue, however you seem to disagree. I guess we'll leave it at that.
behavior anyone can act like however they want...
well you can judge people off of behavior and see if they're mafia, but it's harder.
whereas clues are more solid.
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On December 30 2008 03:50 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:
and btw i don't care to argue about clue vs. bahavior analysis. In my opinion behavior is much more reliable than clue, however you seem to disagree. I guess we'll leave it at that.
i concur
I think with just the first day's clues, it's really hard to make a valid case for anyone just because sometimes it's really easy to link someone to some clue even slightly. Anyone with something to do with knives or fighting or death or darkness will be targeted by the clues. I think we should focus more on the clues about the ipod or the coins on the eyes instead of common ways of killing (ie knives)
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Are there any artists in this game? Anyone part of the graphics crew? Anyone associated with Paint?
EDIT: Funkie's on the graphics team. Perhaps a detective should check to see if the clue refers to him.
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OK here is what I came up with when I searched for "iPod" "Artist" and "banging music":
banging music when googled gives these results: mostly it was metal or dance music. But the link to last.fm came up as 3rd when googled.
That is a weak lead to Artanis[Xp] because in his profile he has a link to that site along with metal music in it.
Also after searching the site using "Artist" Funkie came up a lot. In his posts I read he displayed a great deal of interest in art and also possesses an iPod. But again this is a very weak link.
Damn it I knew my sig would put me virtually on every suspect list there is -.-
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I've been getting reports that people are viewing PMs.
PM SHARING IS NOT ALLOWED!
Anybody caught will incur the wrath of god ^^
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Potential Different Mafia members
Godfather + Show Spoiler +“You shouldn’t have vetoed the free wheelchairs bill,” smirked a new man, clearly the mafia leader, who strolled in the door, banging to some music on his iPod.
Mafia #2 -- Throws knives+ Show Spoiler +suddenly the person darted about and threw a knife at him, barely missing Caller’s vas deferens
Mafia #3 -- Uses hands+ Show Spoiler +rose out of the ground, knocking him down on the marble floor and banging his neck against the hard kitchen counter.
Mafia #4 -- Artist+ Show Spoiler +as a henchman stopped to admire and memorize the scene. Caller knew this man as an artist, and his memory was perfect.
Mafia #5 -- Uses knives+ Show Spoiler +somebody cut his jugular vein, and the blood spilled out, staining the otherwise clean floor.
Mafia #6 -- Guy who puts coins on the eyes of those who are dead+ Show Spoiler +One of the mafia stayed to close his eyelids, placing a coin on each.
If I missed something, which is entirely plausible, correct me. Having a list early on will make it easier to decipher clues as to who the mole is and who the godfather converts. It will also clarify the killing power of the mafia (even though that's blatant).
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Clazziquai likes music. Mafia leader has an iPod
COINCIDENCE?!?! I THINK NOT
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Ace, I feel as though we are forever intertwined to battle each other in mafia games.
Never once will one of us see the light and work together, yet I can dream, can't I? Mafia 3, you were mafia, we battled, you came out on top. Last game I was mafia and we destroyed you.
It seems like yet Again, we are to fight again, hopefully this won't go down like M3.
I am a DT, I role checked Ace and he popped up Mafia.
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All vote for Ace please :/
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Rebirth if you're actually a DT you're retarded since you could be an insane DT.
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Trust me, I am not the insane DT.
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There are certain clues that lead to him as well, but they're fairly weak. It'd be unfair to vote for Ace without him saying anything at all though, even if he is mafia. I'm waiting for that before I bandwagon.
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Well, I basically said it in the last post. But I might as well just flat out say it right now.
I am not Actually the DT. I was trying to hide in with them, I am the Jack. The Jack can't be insane. I even PMed caller and Asked him if the Jack could be insane, of course he could not. I just didn't want to be the Jack so early on, its a bad role to claim, now the mafia is going to go after me even harder. That's why I was trying to hide under the premise of being just a normal DT. Sorry to be deceptive, but I saw it a necessary.
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Oh and Caller could you link the vote thread to the day 1 post?
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Caller, how long until voting ends btw?
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rofl strategy of the mafia games
(1) r/c Ace
(2) lynch Ace
(3) GG
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On December 30 2008 05:07 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Ace, I feel as though we are forever intertwined to battle each other in mafia games.
Never once will one of us see the light and work together, yet I can dream, can't I? Mafia 3, you were mafia, we battled, you came out on top. Last game I was mafia and we destroyed you.
It seems like yet Again, we are to fight again, hopefully this won't go down like M3.
I am a DT, I role checked Ace and he popped up Mafia.
Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
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On December 30 2008 05:20 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Caller, how long until voting ends btw?
depends on when ace posts
if he doesn't post, 5 minutes
if he does post, a bit longer
Just kidding. give it some more time.
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Jack huh? That's good. I guess the Jack is now pretty powerful since we know he's not insane...
Now how do we trust this information that you even ARE a Jack?
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What possible benefits are there to lying about the Jack and exposing myself this early?
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well there's the fact that if this holds up true you're a dead man
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On December 30 2008 05:13 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Well, I basically said it in the last post. But I might as well just flat out say it right now.
I am not Actually the DT. I was trying to hide in with them, I am the Jack. The Jack can't be insane. I even PMed caller and Asked him if the Jack could be insane, of course he could not. I just didn't want to be the Jack so early on, its a bad role to claim, now the mafia is going to go after me even harder. That's why I was trying to hide under the premise of being just a normal DT. Sorry to be deceptive, but I saw it a necessary.
Don't be so hasty with following these instructions. We already saw last game that RoL is smarter than this. Why would he come out and risk our 100% legit rolechecks without even trying to use a mouth? I suggest that we allow the mafia to sort this out. It doesn't make any sense to 100% trade the jack for mafia Ace.
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That is a common misconception, if this holds up true then we can establish a series of medic/martyr protection on me and other select people and establish a inner circle more or less if the Ace = Mafia checks out. If it doesn't, then you kill me and are down one mafia. A vigi is a simple cure for this solution if I am lying, am I right?
Role Calling isn't necessarily bad. It allows the town to establish a web early on, they tried doing that last game as well but the medics were retarded.
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On December 30 2008 05:28 Qatol wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2008 05:13 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Well, I basically said it in the last post. But I might as well just flat out say it right now.
I am not Actually the DT. I was trying to hide in with them, I am the Jack. The Jack can't be insane. I even PMed caller and Asked him if the Jack could be insane, of course he could not. I just didn't want to be the Jack so early on, its a bad role to claim, now the mafia is going to go after me even harder. That's why I was trying to hide under the premise of being just a normal DT. Sorry to be deceptive, but I saw it a necessary. Don't be so hasty with following these instructions. We already saw last game that RoL is smarter than this. Why would he come out and risk our 100% legit rolechecks without even trying to use a mouth? I suggest that we allow the mafia to sort this out. It doesn't make any sense to 100% trade the jack for mafia Ace.
I already used my role check, I cannot trust anyone for sure. If I blind trust someone, I expose myself to the chance of them being in mafia for the sake of hiding amongst the town, if that were to happen I would die anyway.
With this role call, you can look at my above post and see that it isn't as suicidal or dumb as you may think. I am not assured dead unless I get bombed. Which is a rare and not so smart move on day one.
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I was about to post what qatol did, but I forgot about the martyr. RoL is smart enough to have a reason for everything. If it is deceptive, he's mafia. If not, he's town. This is a terrible move for mafia to roleclaim Jack imo, so I'm inclined to trust him... for now.
This does not mean, however, that RoL is legit even if Ace is found guilty.
Urgh... I think I'm still going to abstain for now though. Let's see how things go.
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United States2186 Posts
Regardless of RoL being a jack or not, the Rock Star should reveal themselves ASAP.
You have no reason to hide it and you can aid the town immensely as a guaranteed and invincible townie.
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But how will we know that person is a rockstar?
And why is More_Minerals accusing me because of iPod?
Sure, clazziquai is a korean music group but it's like the same thing as to the coffee clue = decaf.
Oh well!
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More minerals is useless and acts like a traitor every game; ignore him.
We will know depending on how the mafia react. If they want to impersonate they will sacrifice a member for each rock star member + bg that is revealed. I'd say the rockstar is worth 3 mafia right off the start.
If they don't impersonate and nobody counters his claim then bam we have a guaranteed and invincible innocent to send roles to.
It would also be good if the village idiot would come forth so we can arrange a deal. Your cooperation for a couple days in exchange for a lynch. Sounds good? This means that the mafia cannot kill either you or the rock star, they can only silence one, (starting day 2 so we have time); and you get your desired lynch.
And Scaramanga behavior analysis is far better than clues and lynching off day 1 clues will not be done.
I will have a bigger/more in depth post coming in a little while. We must act fast before the mafia have time to fully mobilize and form their strategies. Coming from the lead planner last game I know that they can't just enact their plans in the first hour and be ready to go. If anything I think that's why RoL is likely telling the truth (lack of time for a detailed strategy) although I'm not 100% convinced and there may be a better way to go about it.
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Alright, I am responding to a lot of PMs right now, but I am going to summarize everything in one post. All my justifications and everything. I am about to go to the gym so I won't be back for a little while.
So I got the Jack role, and decided that I would check either Ace or some other person whome I like to work with. I chose Ace because I figured it would be a good chance that he was on my team this game and that he wasn't the godfather. So I role checked him as the Jack, using my power. He appeared as Mafia.
Now I was faced with a decision, I had to use someone as a mouth piece, whome I couldn't possibly know the identity of, or I could role claim.
If I were to use a mouthpiece, I risk exposing myself to someone, then just getting killed by the mafia if they were mafia. That is not good at all.
Then there was Role claiming, I chose to role claim a DT for the following reasons. If I role claimed a DT I saw that some people might think I am an idiot due to the insane DT clause, I hoped it would come a while after, unfortunately it happened a single post after mine. The reason I lied is because the mafia will doubtfully try to suicide just a DT. A Jack however is a much better target to Suicide against, there is only one and it is the strongest town role. So I wanted to try to hide among the DTs to avoid the nuke.
That is why I lied, I figured when I was called out I would just reveal that I was actually the Jack, but that the mafia wouldn't try to bomb me.
Now to explain why I believe role calling was a good idea as opposed to just the blind trust. Blind trust means you expose yourself who has approx 1/4 chance of being a mafia, that is a stupid thing to do its risky, and odds are on your side. but then you are putting your blind faith in statistics, It worked last game, I chose not to test it this game. When someone role claims they are NOT committing suicide. When a role claim is proven true, with proper use of medics/martyrs you can establish a town web. Its not a behind the scenes one though, its a public town web. This is more or less what they did last game, however the medics were dumb and this hinges off medic activity/medics being smart. This game inactive players were barred, so this logic is MUCH better than it was last game.
When my Ace = Mafia claim is proven true, I am not a trusted town, more or less anyway. If not, I get Vigi'd. Simple enough, yes? If I am lying about Ace then the medics and martyrs won't protect me and the Vigilantes will kill me and there hits do not overlap.
Doing this as mafia makes little to no sense, there are virtually no benefits since if I was mafia I would be killing Ace just because he is Ace, having no idea what is role actually is. If Ace is a towny, even with his cute little brain, it doesn't justify sacrificing one of the mafia.
That is my logic. When we Lynch Ace we have the entire night to assign medics and martyrs.
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Hey guys do you want me to do the profile-linking thread? :p
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On December 30 2008 05:50 clazziquai wrote:
Hey guys do you want me to do the profile-linking thread? :p
do it, going through profiles is a bitch
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ill do it later actually lol
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This is the Jack. RebirthOfLegend is an idiot lol. He is not a jack.
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On December 30 2008 05:57 RealJack wrote:
This is the Jack. RebirthOfLegend is an idiot lol. He is not a jack.
Assuming this is the mafia. I guess someone has a sense of humor, just like the smirking new guy, eh?
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On December 30 2008 05:57 RealJack wrote:
This is the Jack. RebirthOfLegend is an idiot lol. He is not a jack.
LOL, gtfo.
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On December 30 2008 05:57 RealJack wrote:
This is the Jack. RebirthOfLegend is an idiot lol. He is not a jack.
lol right, I am the idiot.
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On December 30 2008 05:59 LucasWoJ wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2008 05:57 RealJack wrote:
This is the Jack. RebirthOfLegend is an idiot lol. He is not a jack. Assuming this is the mafia. I guess someone has a sense of humor, just like the smirking new guy, eh?
Or maybe I am the jack and RebirthoofLegend is messing with you lol? I can prove I am the Jack. I haven't used my abilities yet. If you can think of a test for me (rolecheck on someone) I can pass it. Rebirth can't.
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On December 30 2008 06:08 RealJack wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2008 05:59 LucasWoJ wrote:On December 30 2008 05:57 RealJack wrote:
This is the Jack. RebirthOfLegend is an idiot lol. He is not a jack. Assuming this is the mafia. I guess someone has a sense of humor, just like the smirking new guy, eh? Or maybe I am the jack and RebirthoofLegend is messing with you lol? I can prove I am the Jack. I haven't used my abilities yet. If you can think of a test for me (rolecheck on someone) I can pass it. Rebirth can't.
Rolecheck ace ;p
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The OP was updated.
6.KH1031
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I also like how RealJack is not even playing the game and signed up for a TL account on the 30th, which is today. Please don't post in the thread if you're not in the game.
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hmm, if you are the real Jack then you should Vigi Ace for me, since I already used my ability once so far.
that is your test. Succeed please. Also, the proof that I am the Jack is right there with Ace being lynched. So bring it on Mr.RealJack.
Also, please present the reasoning and logic behind me faking being the Jack?
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kk i updated it. time to do clue analysis
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Canada7170 Posts
I trust RoL. For now.
I was Jack in mafia 3, and my thinking in that game was almost exactly the same as his thinking is now. Congrats to him if he can pull some double-reverse psychology garbage, but I think it is far too risky in a game with both people who are intelligent (the types of people who can read things as reverse psychology) and unintelligent (people who take everything at face value). He is NOT sacrificing himself a la Folca. He is smart enough to have a plan if Ace flips red, although it doesn't indicate his legitimacy.
My sole problem is that if Ace flips otherwise and we figure out RoL is mafia, they have a medic that can protect him from vigi hits. Not cool. Hence, I will abstain for now, even though I lean more towards trusting RoL.
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Also RealJack has been a TL member for 23 minutes. 2 posts/125 posts/day * 60 minutes * 24 hours = 23 minutes.
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On December 30 2008 06:12 mikeymoo wrote:
I trust RoL. For now.
I was Jack in mafia 3, and my thinking in that game was almost exactly the same as his thinking is now. Congrats to him if he can pull some double-reverse psychology garbage, but I think it is far too risky in a game with both people who are intelligent (the types of people who can read things as reverse psychology) and unintelligent (people who take everything at face value). He is NOT sacrificing himself a la Folca. He is smart enough to have a plan if Ace flips red, although it doesn't indicate his legitimacy.
My sole problem is that if Ace flips otherwise and we figure out RoL is mafia, they have a medic that can protect him from vigi hits. Not cool. Hence, I will abstain for now, even though I lean more towards trusting RoL.
Good thing the mafia doesn't have a roleblocker like they did in Ace's game.
*edit*
And what if Ace IS the mafia doc?
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On December 30 2008 06:12 mikeymoo wrote:
I trust RoL. For now.
I was Jack in mafia 3, and my thinking in that game was almost exactly the same as his thinking is now. Congrats to him if he can pull some double-reverse psychology garbage, but I think it is far too risky in a game with both people who are intelligent (the types of people who can read things as reverse psychology) and unintelligent (people who take everything at face value). He is NOT sacrificing himself a la Folca. He is smart enough to have a plan if Ace flips red, although it doesn't indicate his legitimacy.
My sole problem is that if Ace flips otherwise and we figure out RoL is mafia, they have a medic that can protect him from vigi hits. Not cool. Hence, I will abstain for now, even though I lean more towards trusting RoL.
Ace dies and flips blue or green, we then lynch RoL following day. Medic don't prot that. But give ace a chance to defend himself and depending on that will determine if he dies or not.
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On December 30 2008 06:21 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2008 06:12 mikeymoo wrote:
I trust RoL. For now.
I was Jack in mafia 3, and my thinking in that game was almost exactly the same as his thinking is now. Congrats to him if he can pull some double-reverse psychology garbage, but I think it is far too risky in a game with both people who are intelligent (the types of people who can read things as reverse psychology) and unintelligent (people who take everything at face value). He is NOT sacrificing himself a la Folca. He is smart enough to have a plan if Ace flips red, although it doesn't indicate his legitimacy.
My sole problem is that if Ace flips otherwise and we figure out RoL is mafia, they have a medic that can protect him from vigi hits. Not cool. Hence, I will abstain for now, even though I lean more towards trusting RoL. Ace dies and flips blue or green, we then lynch RoL following day. Medic don't prot that. But give ace a chance to defend himself and depending on that will determine if he dies or not.
I'm an idiot. Apologies. DUH LYNCH
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Incognito, its obvious that I am playing this game and made an account so I could safely roleclaim jack rofl. rebirth, a vigi hit on ace doesnt work till day 2. I think rebirth is roleclaiming jack to try and get real blue roles by gaining trust. I think ace is probably mafia. I can use my rolecheck on anyone to verify my role. Just give me a target
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Canada7170 Posts
'DUH LYNCH' meaning "of course lynching his an option", not "DURR LYNCH ACE"
I hate not being able to edit =[
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On December 30 2008 06:21 mikeymoo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2008 06:21 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On December 30 2008 06:12 mikeymoo wrote:
I trust RoL. For now.
I was Jack in mafia 3, and my thinking in that game was almost exactly the same as his thinking is now. Congrats to him if he can pull some double-reverse psychology garbage, but I think it is far too risky in a game with both people who are intelligent (the types of people who can read things as reverse psychology) and unintelligent (people who take everything at face value). He is NOT sacrificing himself a la Folca. He is smart enough to have a plan if Ace flips red, although it doesn't indicate his legitimacy.
My sole problem is that if Ace flips otherwise and we figure out RoL is mafia, they have a medic that can protect him from vigi hits. Not cool. Hence, I will abstain for now, even though I lean more towards trusting RoL. Ace dies and flips blue or green, we then lynch RoL following day. Medic don't prot that. But give ace a chance to defend himself and depending on that will determine if he dies or not. I'm an idiot. Apologies. DUH LYNCH
silly mikey
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On December 30 2008 06:22 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2008 06:21 mikeymoo wrote:On December 30 2008 06:21 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On December 30 2008 06:12 mikeymoo wrote:
I trust RoL. For now.
I was Jack in mafia 3, and my thinking in that game was almost exactly the same as his thinking is now. Congrats to him if he can pull some double-reverse psychology garbage, but I think it is far too risky in a game with both people who are intelligent (the types of people who can read things as reverse psychology) and unintelligent (people who take everything at face value). He is NOT sacrificing himself a la Folca. He is smart enough to have a plan if Ace flips red, although it doesn't indicate his legitimacy.
My sole problem is that if Ace flips otherwise and we figure out RoL is mafia, they have a medic that can protect him from vigi hits. Not cool. Hence, I will abstain for now, even though I lean more towards trusting RoL. Ace dies and flips blue or green, we then lynch RoL following day. Medic don't prot that. But give ace a chance to defend himself and depending on that will determine if he dies or not. I'm an idiot. Apologies. DUH LYNCH silly mikey
trix is for me
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Ok then RealJack, where's your name on the game list? What number are you?
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On December 30 2008 06:21 RealJack wrote:
Incognito, its obvious that I am playing this game and made an account so I could safely roleclaim jack rofl. rebirth, a vigi hit on ace doesnt work till day 2. I think rebirth is roleclaiming jack to try and get real blue roles by gaining trust. I think ace is probably mafia. I can use my rolecheck on anyone to verify my role. Just give me a target
is that allowed? nobody has ever tried to do so before, but my gut feeling is this is against the rules
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Canada7170 Posts
Stop pestering RealJack and he will go away. He seeks attention so give him none, and the mods will have him in no time.
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Well, you could also just check someone whose mafia with you, and just have them agree.
You really don't think this through, do you RealJack? There is no proof that you actually role checked someone apart from them saying you did or something. That is not reliable T_T?
Any other ideas for your lovely test you would like to fake? Or should I just ignore you from now on? You are probably the mafia trying to throw off what would be a strong town union early on. so all you have to do is say "well I role checked *name*", and whether or not he comes out, you can be mafia. Not too reliable.
Edit: Upon popular request, you are now being ignored until the mods kick your account out of the game t_T. Post on your "real" name or stop.
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United States2186 Posts
Just ignore Realjack that's illegal (or should be) anyways. Not worth the time.
If the real jack wants to come out into the open they can.
But don't be so hasty on lynching Ace yet let's hear his defense.
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Oh man...poor Ace >.<. It's karma for getting Ver last game.
Anyways my thoughts:
Like many others have said, it makes little sense for Rebirth to roleclaim Jack as mafia. There's only one Jack, and that Jack would know for sure that Rebirth is mafia. There is a small possibility that he's playing on last game's logic, in that Ace was trusted by some because there was no way he was going to sacrifice Ver. Perhaps the mafia is sacrificing Ace to gain everyone's trust (Rebirth could be the godfather) and/or draw out the real Jack. Remember that the mafia has a medic, so the real Jack will not be able to kill Rebirth by himself later in the game. On top of this, if the real Jack allows Rebirth to continue being the "Jack" (since he fears revealing himself), everyone will trust Rebirth, so he's pretty much forced to come out somehow.
On the otherhand, roleclaiming Jack as a real Jack is also a stupid move. Don't forget that the mafia can convert this game. Losing our most powerful role to the mafia, especially this early, would be disaster (even if it takes a hit then a convert). If Rebirth eventually proves to be a real Jack, which he undubitably will if he's a real Jack, then he's perpetually at risk of dying or being converted, and that will be a big pain for town and medics.
There's also the possibility that he wants to be converted, though that's stupid, because technically he's in a really good position to win if he's converted.
Waiting for Ace to post before I do anything.
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We still haven't heard when day 1 ends? If anyone else is the real jack they SHOULD come out in the open. And yes I would like to hear Ace's defense.
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Medics protect from conversion. RoL is trying to get a DT/medic web going.
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Medic protection won't allow me to be converted, I thought of most if not all scenarios before I role claimed. Trust me, its not that stupid.
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On December 30 2008 06:32 nevake wrote:
Oh man...poor Ace >.<. It's karma for getting Ver last game.
Anyways my thoughts:
Like many others have said, it makes little sense for Rebirth to roleclaim Jack as mafia. There's only one Jack, and that Jack would know for sure that Rebirth is mafia. There is a small possibility that he's playing on last game's logic, in that Ace was trusted by some because there was no way he was going to sacrifice Ver. Perhaps the mafia is sacrificing Ace to gain everyone's trust (Rebirth could be the godfather) and/or draw out the real Jack. Remember that the mafia has a medic, so the real Jack will not be able to kill Rebirth by himself later in the game. On top of this, if the real Jack allows Rebirth to continue being the "Jack" (since he fears revealing himself), everyone will trust Rebirth, so he's pretty much forced to come out somehow.
On the otherhand, roleclaiming Jack as a real Jack is also a stupid move. Don't forget that the mafia can convert this game. Losing our most powerful role to the mafia, especially this early, would be disaster (even if it takes a hit then a convert). If Rebirth eventually proves to be a real Jack, which he undubitably will if he's a real Jack, then he's perpetually at risk of dying or being converted, and that will be a big pain for town and medics.
There's also the possibility that he wants to be converted, though that's stupid, because technically he's in a really good position to win if he's converted.
Waiting for Ace to post before I do anything.
The mafia can't convert until after day 3. We have time. Plus we can have Rebirth use all his useful skills (DT ones and maybe vigi) then just let him die. Not saying we should kill him off, but this is a community game, so if we can use what assets we have then let our liabilities go, we will do fine. If rebirth is a fake jack we can lynch him, not vigi kill. Medic cannot save there. This has been mentioned.
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I called this at the end of the last mafia game. Role checks are incredibly lame to the most active players.
Another possibility is that RoL and Ace are BOTH mafia and RoL is hoping to gain the town's trust by throwing Ace under a bus. However, with only 1 jack in the game, his fake claim wouldn't hold up for long. Or perhaps RoL is actually a detective and is just hoping that he isn't really insane...
I hate to screw Ace again, but I'd rather do it than lynch someone on shaky clues.
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The medics are not very coordinated yet. There's still some risk that they all think that the others will protect you (like the medics did last game to camlito). Also, I'm pretty sure they can send a hit then a convert right after if they want. Regardless, using a Jack as the centerpiece of a town network is just asking for fail, especially since it requires the medics to waste energy all game babysitting you.
Also, if you're the jack, you had no need to reveal Ace as mafia and roleclaim, you should have just waited and vigi killed him or waiting until you could find a mouthpiece instead of risking yourself.
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What if RoL is the village idiot?
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Why would he be that? That thought has passed through my head, but it just doesn't, ultimately, make any sense to do that if you're the village idiot. We'll just vigi kill him the next night if Ace isn't mafia.
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On December 30 2008 06:41 nevake wrote:
The medics are not very coordinated yet. There's still some risk that they all think that the others will protect you (like the medics did last game to camlito). Also, I'm pretty sure they can send a hit then a convert right after if they want. Regardless, using a Jack as the centerpiece of a town network is just asking for fail, especially since it requires the medics to waste energy all game babysitting you.
Also, if you're the jack, you had no need to reveal Ace as mafia and roleclaim, you should have just waited and vigi killed him or waiting until you could find a mouthpiece instead of risking yourself.
Which is why we don't use the jack as the centerpiece for the town network. We use him to confirm the ID of the rockstar, then we use the rockstar as the center. We also have to compartmentalize and release information in sections in case someone with the information gets converted. So whoever the rockstar is don't come out until we can confirm the jack or some other role. Revealing is not risking yourself. If he didn't do that the town would have nobody to go to. The jack is the only reasonable place we can start, especially since DTs can be insane.
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On December 30 2008 06:45 LucasWoJ wrote:
Why would he be that? That thought has passed through my head, but it just doesn't, ultimately, make any sense to do that if you're the village idiot. We'll just vigi kill him the next night if Ace isn't mafia.
No we lynch him. Because if he's mafia then the doc protects him.
And the village idiot is immune to night killing.
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On December 30 2008 06:41 nevake wrote:
The medics are not very coordinated yet. There's still some risk that they all think that the others will protect you (like the medics did last game to camlito). Also, I'm pretty sure they can send a hit then a convert right after if they want. Regardless, using a Jack as the centerpiece of a town network is just asking for fail, especially since it requires the medics to waste energy all game babysitting you.
Also, if you're the jack, you had no need to reveal Ace as mafia and roleclaim, you should have just waited and vigi killed him or waiting until you could find a mouthpiece instead of risking yourself.
I agree the medics babysitting me isn't good. When Ace pops red we can have them PM me if you want. I am sure a DT will check me by then. and if the DT does, then he can PM me and I will alert the town to be being checked and that I am safe.
However, I disagree with your second point. When the mafia is strong like they are now, then we need STRONG organization as fast as possible. Hence my role claim making sense.
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On December 30 2008 06:41 nevake wrote:
Also, if you're the jack, you had no need to reveal Ace as mafia and roleclaim, you should have just waited and vigi killed him or waiting until you could find a mouthpiece instead of risking yourself.
That's a great argument for RoL lying. He certainly could be the village idiot too.
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It's just paranoia, nevake. I was the same in mafia 3.
If RoL was targeted and died, everyone would be like "wtf why didn't you post your findings?!?"
He can't use another role until day/night 2. I think it was a small error in foresight- something that will change the dynamic of the game but still be in the town's favour.
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On December 30 2008 06:42 Incognito wrote:
What if RoL is the village idiot?
Interesting idea. This is actually an amazing strategy for the idiot to use. Regardless, I also would like to see how Ace decides to defend himself before I vote.
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Yeah, if I was village idiot, wouldn't it be much simpler and less chaotic to just do what Ver suggested and form a deal with the town for my lynch? Its a gay way to win, but a win is a win.
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On December 30 2008 06:47 ShadowDrgn wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2008 06:41 nevake wrote:
Also, if you're the jack, you had no need to reveal Ace as mafia and roleclaim, you should have just waited and vigi killed him or waiting until you could find a mouthpiece instead of risking yourself. That's a great argument for RoL lying. He certainly could be the village idiot too.
This has its merits as well, I should mention.
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Unfortunately the village idiot is both biased towards the town and isn't really a serious role. I would have liked the village idiot to be able to be killed at night. Then it makes it more strategy to win as the village idiot. Right now all you are basically invincible until lynched. Which means you can talk as much as you want, you can be the center of the town organization, then you can ask the town to lynch you later without fear of dying from vigi/mafia/conversion.
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Yeah, the village idiot seems like a pointless role, which is aligned kind of anti mafia, since he needs the town and having them lynch him would be hard without their cooperation.
Also for those who didn't see it before
Show nested quote +On December 30 2008 06:41 nevake wrote:
Also, if you're the jack, you had no need to reveal Ace as mafia and roleclaim, you should have just waited and vigi killed him or waiting until you could find a mouthpiece instead of risking yourself. However, I disagree with your second point. When the mafia is strong like they are now, then we need STRONG organization as fast as possible. Hence my role claim making sense.
And those who have seen me play mafia, I like to work behind the scenes, I don't like the spotlight.
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On December 30 2008 06:55 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
And those who have seen me play mafia, I like to work behind the scenes, I don't like the spotlight.
...so why come out in the spotlight now?
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On December 30 2008 06:46 Incognito wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2008 06:45 LucasWoJ wrote:
Why would he be that? That thought has passed through my head, but it just doesn't, ultimately, make any sense to do that if you're the village idiot. We'll just vigi kill him the next night if Ace isn't mafia. No we lynch him. Because if he's mafia then the doc protects him. And the village idiot is immune to night killing.
Oh snap. You're completely right. I completely forgot this game included the mafia doc.
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On December 30 2008 06:38 ShadowDrgn wrote:
I called this at the end of the last mafia game. Role checks are incredibly lame to the most active players.
Another possibility is that RoL and Ace are BOTH mafia and RoL is hoping to gain the town's trust by throwing Ace under a bus. However, with only 1 jack in the game, his fake claim wouldn't hold up for long. Or perhaps RoL is actually a detective and is just hoping that he isn't really insane...
I hate to screw Ace again, but I'd rather do it than lynch someone on shaky clues.
This guy is assuming the rebirth and ace are using the strategy that Ace got accused of last game.
After being a teamate with ROL, I am sure that he isnt' the brightest bulb. So either he is A) trying to get the town to kill one of our most powerfull assets or B) he is a DT/jack and is a moron or C) he is a DT/jack and is willing to die early, if the medics don't believe him.
My gut tells me if he is a jack he did something like 'Check ver, ver is blue/green, ok then logic says Ace is red'.
If everybody agrees that Ace is red then of course I'll vote him. I just am not super pr0ne to trust anybody. Last game we (mafia) mind fucked the town constantly, this would be a big mindfuck esp if Ver is red.... na mean?
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It's true we need organization, but we haven't confirmed enough things to start one anyways. Even if Ace flips red, like I mentioned before, there's a possibility that you are the godfather, even if it is small. There's also a huge risk that you will be converted later in the game, so we can't use you for too much. What we really needed was the rockstar to come out and tell us who he is and then you checking the rockstar and using him as your mouthpiece.
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On December 30 2008 06:57 Incognito wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2008 06:55 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
And those who have seen me play mafia, I like to work behind the scenes, I don't like the spotlight. ...so why come out in the spotlight now?
Times and circumstances call for it sometimes. I know I am capable of being a strong leader, I just prefer to sit in the back seat, rather than driving. More room to spread your legs, if you know what I mean.
But the town needs organization early on and this seems like a good way to get it started, the mafia is extremely strong with the mafia doc being introduced. We need organization fast and accurate to be able to centralize the town and create a circle. I am a paranoid person by nature, I don't blindly trust people. No one who has PMed me so far has my complete trust or faith in their role. When I get an army of DTs and Vigi's we will see what we can do, isolated vigis are bad in this case, because the mafia can predict who we are going to hit and respond to that with mafia doc. We don't have the luxury of double hitting like they do, so we need to make sure we can deceive the mafia into knowing who we are going to hit. and hit someone else.
Which means you need a behind the scenes crew organizing it all. Which needs to be established ASAP. Which can only be done the way I am doing it. Unless of course Ace flipped green/blue for me. Then I would work from there, hope the RockStar came out and role claimed then we had a nice person to organize around. This did not happen, so here we are.
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On December 30 2008 07:01 nevake wrote:
It's true we need organization, but we haven't confirmed enough things to start one anyways. Even if Ace flips red, like I mentioned before, there's a possibility that you are the godfather, even if it is small. There's also a huge risk that you will be converted later in the game, so we can't use you for too much. What we really needed was the rockstar to come out and tell us who he is and then you checking the rockstar and using him as your mouthpiece.
err, I wrote my post before I read this. But yes, as I said. This would be ideal with the rockstar, but it didn't seem to happening, so I took the initiative.
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On December 30 2008 07:06 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2008 06:57 Incognito wrote:On December 30 2008 06:55 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
And those who have seen me play mafia, I like to work behind the scenes, I don't like the spotlight. ...so why come out in the spotlight now? Times and circumstances call for it sometimes. I know I am capable of being a strong leader, I just prefer to sit in the back seat, rather than driving. More room to spread your legs, if you know what I mean. But the town needs organization early on and this seems like a good way to get it started, the mafia is extremely strong with the mafia doc being introduced. We need organization fast and accurate to be able to centralize the town and create a circle. I am a paranoid person by nature, I don't blindly trust people. No one who has PMed me so far has my complete trust or faith in their role. When I get an army of DTs and Vigi's we will see what we can do, isolated vigis are bad in this case, because the mafia can predict who we are going to hit and respond to that with mafia doc. We don't have the luxury of double hitting like they do, so we need to make sure we can deceive the mafia into knowing who we are going to hit. and hit someone else. Which means you need a behind the scenes crew organizing it all. Which needs to be established ASAP. Which can only be done the way I am doing it. Unless of course Ace flipped green/blue for me. Then I would work from there, hope the RockStar came out and role claimed then we had a nice person to organize around. This did not happen, so here we are.
I'll repeat myself: We can't give you an army of DT's and vigis because you already revealed yourself as Jack. If you are a real Jack, you will more likely than not be converted later in the game, and then the mafia has a complete list.
ROCKSTAR REVEAL YOURSELF.
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I feel like you HIGHLY over estimate the chance of me being converted. Even if we have the RockStar as a town figurehead, he still can be converted and a medic needs to be on the figurehead no matter what, whether its me or the rockstar, because either of us can be converted.
So the medic babysitting is required, regardless of who you choose as a figurehead, the difference is the rockstar is safe from hits without the medic, and I am not. No one can be converted until day 3 anyway, so we will go on from there afterwards. The con to me being the centerpiece as opposed to the Rockstar is basically that the rockstar won't need protection for the first 3 days, and I will. The chance of conversion is equal when we are both made public.
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RoL: You are not playing for the town anyways, nevake and incognito are right you are the village idiot. I was thinking that maybe your right, but then i asked myself: hey if i was jack, would i do a rolecheck first day and roleclaim dt, and then roleclaim jack? HELL NO. I ask the town to lynch RoL. If he turns blue with checker ability (jack, dt) i ask the town to follow with ace and me. Im expandable, and we dont need this guy doing fake claims all game. Let him get his ms paint picture.
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No it's not, because the bodyguards protect the rockstar from conversion. Also, converting you, regardless if you're the centerpiece or not, is a huge benefit to the mafia (because you're a jack). So yes, you are at huge risk of being converted. With the rockstar running things, he doesn't need medics on him. I still believe that revealing yourself was a detriment to the town. You're right, the medics will have to babysit you now, but we still can't use you as a staple figurehead because we have to think about what happens in the future.
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On December 30 2008 07:17 malongo wrote:
RoL: You are not playing for the town anyways, nevake and incognito are right you are the village idiot. I was thinking that maybe your right, but then i asked myself: hey if i was jack, would i do a rolecheck first day and roleclaim dt, and then roleclaim jack? HELL NO. I ask the town to lynch RoL. If he turns blue with checker ability (jack, dt) i ask the town to follow with ace and me. Im expandable, and we dont need this guy doing fake claims all game. Let him get his ms paint picture.
Malongo, I never said he was the village idiot =P. In fact I think it's highly unlikely because he can be much more blunt if he wanted instant win or to help the town if he was the village idiot.
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On December 30 2008 07:17 malongo wrote:
RoL: You are not playing for the town anyways, nevake and incognito are right you are the village idiot. I was thinking that maybe your right, but then i asked myself: hey if i was jack, would i do a rolecheck first day and roleclaim dt, and then roleclaim jack? HELL NO. I ask the town to lynch RoL. If he turns blue with checker ability (jack, dt) i ask the town to follow with ace and me. Im expandable, and we dont need this guy doing fake claims all game. Let him get his ms paint picture.
Ignore this completely. This was ace's strat in mafia 3 that got folca(a dt) to get raped. Killing the potential blue first, to then guarentee the red kill is retarded as much now as it was then.
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Err sorry, you are right nevake. I read the rockstar description when posting that, assuming it would say "you cannot be converted unless your BG's are dead." Now I just read the BG role, my mistake. I misunderstood that.
When did nevake ever say I was the Village Idiot? and malongo, you aren't thinking even close to clear. That doesn't make sense at all. I justified all my reasons for my DT role claim, and my Jack role claim.
And why would we lynch me, then you and ace? Wasting 3 town kills which are already in short supply? We have to be precise with our kills. We can't sparingly throw away 3 kills pointlessly -_-; what kind of logic is that?
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I dont believe you for a second Rol, ive never seen a jack so missplayed its just that.
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How is this being misplayed? You have yet to say much in regards to that. My logic is pretty sound, if you would like to dissect it, I would take it as a learning experience not an insult. Please, go ahead.
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Prelim plan of action:
I'm going to sidestep the Ace/Rebirth dilemna and wait and see how Ace (and the mafia) respond. It appears some already have. On to more important things (long term plans):
Yes, our goal should be to have a town network with a head spokesperson. However, it must be more than that. This is because of the Silencer. If only the Rockstar is the spokesperson, here's what will happen starting day 2:
Ace Rockstar is silenced. Rockstar is silenced. Rockstar is silenced. Rockstar's BGs die Rockstar dies. In some order or another. There are other ways around this but I don't have time to post them right now. Instead, I wish the Rockstar, instead of posting in public, to PM me. There is no risk (you won't die anyways and the public + mafia would if you posted in the open), and if I do not make your role clear to the public after talking with me you have every right to request a lynch on me.
Firstly, medics can prevent conversion. Secondly, martyrs can block the bomber. Those are two HUGE things that will let us carry a win. From the mafia standpoint, a bomber is a very risky proposition. This is because if a) the bomber itself is a key member you don't want to lose them and b) the bomber loses a mafia member and sets the mafia behind a lot more than you would like. Last game I didn't want to use the bomber and advised against it at almost all times. The martyr makes the bomber seem like crap and we can use that heavily to our advantage to install a second head if the village idiot is dumb and doesn't cooperate.
With the inclusion of the mafia doctor we need to be operating more behind the scenes because the mafia cannot know who we know is mafia until it's too late. However, I still ask (and will expand later) that people BE ACTIVE and get out in the open. Even though we aren't lynching on day 1 clues, still work on those clues. There will be a lot to sort through but we shall still have a good situation anyway with lots of information.
We need that second head no matter what before day 2. Again I ask for the Rockstar to PM me and for the Village Idiot to come out and make the deal (pm preferably in the open if you want).
I don't have enough time now to post a full strategy so I'll finish it later in about 2-3 hrs after I consult with my associates.
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On December 30 2008 07:23 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2008 07:17 malongo wrote:
RoL: You are not playing for the town anyways, nevake and incognito are right you are the village idiot. I was thinking that maybe your right, but then i asked myself: hey if i was jack, would i do a rolecheck first day and roleclaim dt, and then roleclaim jack? HELL NO. I ask the town to lynch RoL. If he turns blue with checker ability (jack, dt) i ask the town to follow with ace and me. Im expandable, and we dont need this guy doing fake claims all game. Let him get his ms paint picture. Ignore this completely. This was ace's strat in mafia 3 that got folca(a dt) to get raped. Killing the potential blue first, to then guarentee the red kill is retarded as much now as it was then.
Agreed.
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seems like now we have a leader.
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On December 30 2008 07:18 nevake wrote:
No it's not, because the bodyguards protect the rockstar from conversion. Also, converting you, regardless if you're the centerpiece or not, is a huge benefit to the mafia (because you're a jack). So yes, you are at huge risk of being converted. With the rockstar running things, he doesn't need medics on him. I still believe that revealing yourself was a detriment to the town. You're right, the medics will have to babysit you now, but we still can't use you as a staple figurehead because we have to think about what happens in the future.
This.
Also a few points to make (god, do things start off speedy right at the beginning of all games).
There are so many possibilities this game that I'm not even sure I can think of them all. But I'll try to address some that have not yet been addressed.
What if RoL is actually the Godfather? If he claims Jack to the checks now, there isn't really a way to oust him out anymore. And here I'd like to address an other, yet again reoccurring issue: TOWN INACTIVITY! Why the hell hasn't the Rock Star role-claimed yet? We absolutely need that role-claim ASAP, else how are we to organize ourselves? By the word of RoL? There are a lot of problems with that here. First one is of course deception, as he can be some sort of Mafia role, because clearly, we're all thinking in past games' terms ATM, assuming no Mafia would do that, because it's not beneficial. Well, it might be beneficial if RoL is the Mole or the Godfather (or maybe even a different possibility, that I can't think of yet), because he can fake his role. What if it was a daring move by Mafia, assuming Town inactivity, since the RS never claimed yet, either. Neither did Ace respond yet.
I dunno if this is still a bad time to host a game of Mafia, but it seemed to me at the beginning that things would go differently this time, I'd hate to be disappointed again.
OK, back to the possibilities: Yes, RoL could also be the village idiot. But I doubt he is, since there are better tactics for the idiot to win. Which reminds me: Village Idiot, speak up too, please! The best tactic for you is what Ver described above. Cooperate with the Town, and get your MS Paint.
Also, there is the very valid possibility of RoL telling the truth and being an actual Jack. In that case, we will most certainly lose a Jack early on, and get virtually no Town organization (as the bulk of it HAS to flow through the Rock Star who is completely immune to conversions or the bomber while he has his bgs). The problem with the Jack is that he can either be converted or bombed taking valuable medic lives with him. We know that Ace is definitely not a Godfather, because he'd have flipped something else than red, so the Godfather and the power of conversion is out there, and we have to deal with it.
Honestly, the possibilities in this game are just mind-boggling, I said this already, but I repeat: I'm sure we're not thinking all the possibilities through.
This whole case with the role-claiming is somewhat too early and unfortunate and again forces the Town to act very rapidly.
I don't know if we absolutely have to lynch someone tonight, but before that, let's analyze EVERY possible permutation there is.
There is even a possibility that the real Jack checked RoL who was the Trigger happy guy, and now RoL is claiming Jack to provoke Mafia hits and set them a trap... And what would that bring them? Well, if Mafia doesn't hit RoL first night, then Ace is probably innocent, if they do, they die, and we know Ace is Mafia too.
Or am I thinking about this waaay too much? :/
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Also guys, the whole "lets have a huge townie alliance" really really really early on is not safe. The mole does not know who he is(unless mafia informed him). This means if we get a huge group too quickly, the mole can give away a shite load more people. If we operate with 1-3 smaller groups, and just speak through 1-2 figureheads(rockstar preferably) the mole cannot do as much damage.
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On December 30 2008 07:43 Mynock wrote:There is even a possibility that the real Jack checked RoL who was the Trigger happy guy, and now RoL is claiming Jack to provoke Mafia hits and set them a trap... And what would that bring them? Well, if Mafia doesn't hit RoL first night, then Ace is probably innocent, if they do, they die, and we know Ace is Mafia too. Or am I thinking about this waaay too much? :/
Wouldnt a jack die if he checked RoL and he was trigger happy? or did i misread the role.
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I think RoL is Jack since the real Jack and spoil his plans anyway unless RoL is counting on inactivity to continue his plans.
Also you guys are missing a good clue in Caller's hit. A Mafia "rose from the ground" which is a good piece of imagery to me.
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On December 30 2008 07:46 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Also guys, the whole "lets have a huge townie alliance" really really really early on is not safe. The mole does not know who he is(unless mafia informed him). This means if we get a huge group too quickly, the mole can give away a shite load more people. If we operate with 1-3 smaller groups, and just speak through 1-2 figureheads(rockstar preferably) the mole cannot do as much damage.
And even worse is the Godfather's ability to convert anyone who is not being protected by a medic. If there are more than a small handful of people in this circle (and there already are), one of them is bound to be converted. All his information will be immensely helpful to the mafia.
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Mynock, you summed up many thoughts I had. Due to the silencer, I don't want entire organization through me. The rockstar is ideal, I believe all the town should NOT rely on one figurehead, as last mafia game showed. We silenced Ace like 3 days in a row and the town fell into disarray. We someone need at least two people who can figurehead the town, more or less. The Rockstar is clearly going to be one of them.
I do not want people gathering through me, now that I understand the god damn BGs right, the RockStar if proven legit is ideal for that, he cannot be converted.
and yes, the permutations for this are incredible, there are so many possibilities to use, and roles to play in so many different ways.
I wanted to counter several things today, If the mafia risked me being the GF and then role claiming, then the mafia would be in a hole. The GF role claiming and role faking skills would work for a day or two, to confuse the town. But chances are we would figure it out by day 3, before conversion becomes possible. Which means the mafia loses an ENORMOUS asset in that. Its a foolish risk, so the chance of me being GF is extremely low.
The rockstar inactivity is also bothering me as well, I don't know what to make of it.
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On December 30 2008 07:48 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2008 07:43 Mynock wrote:There is even a possibility that the real Jack checked RoL who was the Trigger happy guy, and now RoL is claiming Jack to provoke Mafia hits and set them a trap... And what would that bring them? Well, if Mafia doesn't hit RoL first night, then Ace is probably innocent, if they do, they die, and we know Ace is Mafia too. Or am I thinking about this waaay too much? :/ Wouldnt a jack die if he checked RoL and he was trigger happy? or did i misread the role.
Doesn't apply to role-checks.
So if you just imagine this kind of scenario, we could have Ace as confirmed green, the Village Idiot and the RS all together, so that they just couldn't all be silenced at once.
Btw, I don't like Ver's plan of PM-ing him the RS role. The obvious flaw here, is that the RS would have to be a good player capable of analyzing behaviour, in order to correctly evaluate Ver's alignment. However we all know that Ver is good at that, but what about the RS... He could be anyone, maybe someone who virtually joined TL last week. I believe building our circle around BOTH the Idiot and the RS in the open is a better option.
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After reading the thread I think we should see what Ace has to say for himself. Remember Mafia 3, where a dt checked Ace Day 1 and he turned up red? Here we have an extremely similar situation, however the existence of certain roles e.g. Village Idiot, and Mole complicate things a bit. Ace reacted then by convincing people to lynch Folca, eventually some townies were even on his side. Watch how he reacts this game and compare it.
BTW Tensai176 i agree with the "rose out of the ground" line. It caught my eye for sure as I read through the post. Maybe someone that can burrow, like a zerg? Or perhaps he had melded with the ground somehow like a shapeshifter and then rose out in the house.
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On December 30 2008 07:43 Mynock wrote:There is even a possibility that the real Jack checked RoL who was the Trigger happy guy, and now RoL is claiming Jack to provoke Mafia hits and set them a trap... And what would that bring them? Well, if Mafia doesn't hit RoL first night, then Ace is probably innocent, if they do, they die, and we know Ace is Mafia too. Or am I thinking about this waaay too much? :/
I think the first part of your post is bloody brilliant. I completely overlooked that ROL could be a mousepeice for a jack/dt.
I think ROL will die unless the MEDICS (HI GUYS PAY ATTENTION) are smart enough to protect him and that doesn't directly incriminate ace, since ROL has made himself a very early target.
Ver, if you are mafia again pm me so I can /suicide okay?
(He's just that good.)
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On December 30 2008 07:46 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Also guys, the whole "lets have a huge townie alliance" really really really early on is not safe. The mole does not know who he is(unless mafia informed him). This means if we get a huge group too quickly, the mole can give away a shite load more people. If we operate with 1-3 smaller groups, and just speak through 1-2 figureheads(rockstar preferably) the mole cannot do as much damage.
Exactly. Which is why a couple pages back I suggested we package our information and distribute it into 3-4 parts. That way nobody gets all the information EXCEPT MAYBE the Rockstar, who can't be converted. I don't know but its only been about 4 hours since the day post? Maybe people are on the other side of the world. Give it time. How much time? Well...CALLER has to tell us that, since ATM we don't know when day 1 ends.
GF could role claim since if checked he is seen as ANY ROLE HE WANTS. And if he acts on information he knows, it could be very accurate and misleading. I am inclined to think that RoL is not lying. So we need to test that fact before we do anything else. Regardless whether or not Ace is mafia, by finding out RoL's real ID we can start organizing. If we do nothing we'll lose. But like I said, we can't have one central organization. We have to make sort of like a bureaucracy.
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On December 30 2008 07:58 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:
After reading the thread I think we should see what Ace has to say for himself. Remember Mafia 3, where a dt checked Ace Day 1 and he turned up red? Here we have an extremely similar situation, however the existence of certain roles e.g. Village Idiot, and Mole complicate things a bit. Ace reacted then by convincing people to lynch Folca, eventually some townies were even on his side. Watch how he reacts this game and compare it.
BTW Tensai176 i agree with the "rose out of the ground" line. It caught my eye for sure as I read through the post. Maybe someone that can burrow, like a zerg? Or perhaps he had melded with the ground somehow like a shapeshifter and then rose out in the house.
It's just Caller, mocking me about my zombies idea...
J/k, I don't want to detract from any clue analysis, as I suck at it myself.
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Not to be a jerk or the like, but Ver does link partially to the "rise from the ground" its two weak connections but
"Glory is fleeting but obscurity is forever."
"No one ever rises so high as he who knows not where is he going."
I dont believe this is enough to nail him on anything as a few others also link to this role, but yea
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It's ok Mynock I liked your zombie idea. maybe next time!
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Rules clarifications:
Trigger happy kills on Role Checks. He kills on any action except list checks and clue checks. He also returns Role Checks (if they happen to get through, in the case that someone already triggered his one kill in that day/night cycle) as Townie.
Additionally, the Trigger Happy kill happens instantly. Instantly as in as soon as Caller reads it, since he very well could not be on the site when you send it. Furthermore, it will be announced in the thread as a News Flash, so everyone will know when it happens.
Edit: Typo. tt -> it
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Just a note on something I said earlier:
Latham's quote is “someone has to put back laughter into manslaughter.” The new man smirks because he finds the mayor's death humorous (or at least his statement). Weak link at best. I just want everyone to be aware that it's out there.
It's much more blatant and I'm almost not giving Caller enough credit, but Roffles is a part of this game. If smirking, laughing, etc. are mentioned in later day posts, it should point more clearly toward Roffles as he doesn't have too much information in his profile (and there isn't much you could do with his name either).
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We don't have to waste medics on RoL. We martyr him, then only AFTER day 3 we put medics on (to stop conversions). By that time, we'll probably have some town organization out.
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Do I actually even have to respond to this?
RoL claims he is a DT, then claims he is a jack so he knows I'm mafia?
First of all, any of you that know any of the Real DTs can ask them to check me and confirm. RoL is lying and I'm betting on the fact that he's the VI.
1.) Everyone knows that we'd lynch RoL before me, so I think he's banking on this.
2.) Once again, the game starts with either myself or Ver getting checked and we are supposed to believe someone.
RoL hasn't even claimed to be a front for a real DT, or a Real Jack. This is the key - he has NO responsibility but his own.
He conveniently says he's a Jack and that it bypasses the sane/insane cop routine and none of us even know this for sure. Look at the Jack's role description and tell me how can any of us be so sure?
We can't.
Secondly, we can't even be sure he isn't mafia trying to hope the town lynches me first (to avoid what happened in Mafia 3). Either way, RoL makes no sense with whatever plan he is going for.
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I don't really have enough time to do clue analysis right now, sorry for that. I would like to point out though that behavioral analysis is more reliable in this game than in other games because this is for experienced and active players only. There should be less irresponsible play from townies in this game. Clues are always great but often point to multiple people.
We really need the Rockstar to speak up.
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shit! signups closed yet??
missed this while I was gone
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On December 30 2008 07:17 malongo wrote:
RoL: You are not playing for the town anyways, nevake and incognito are right you are the village idiot. I was thinking that maybe your right, but then i asked myself: hey if i was jack, would i do a rolecheck first day and roleclaim dt, and then roleclaim jack? HELL NO. I ask the town to lynch RoL. If he turns blue with checker ability (jack, dt) i ask the town to follow with ace and me. Im expandable, and we dont need this guy doing fake claims all game. Let him get his ms paint picture.
Not gonna say he is mafia, but well, he just basically admited to working with ace. So if for some reason RoL is lynched and flips blue, almost certaintly ace and malongo are red.
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Malongo how do you know Ace's role?
You say it with such confidence "I ask the town to follow with ace and me"
Only mafia would know each other's roles right?
This only makes Ace's probability of being red even higher, but it's not for sure yet.
We'll see. I suggest everyone lynch Ace. It's just like the Folca situation in Mafia 3 - if Ace flips blue/green, RoL is the one to go.
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Ace, I have justified plenty of my actions as of now. The DT call instead of the Jack, to avoid a potential bomb. There is more detailed version somewhere back. I said I checked with Caller as well, I PMed him right as I checked you and you popped red, I asked if the Jack could be insane. He could not, I am sure Caller will vouch for that, or you can all ask Caller yourself, I don't care, it doesn't matter either way.
Why would I risk others that I am communicating with now? If you read my posts I am in contact with quite a few people, I am not giving out there names however because its I am not endangering anyone else as of yet, I am keeping my connections private until the rockstar is here, I will tell him about all the contacts I have made so far.
lol and everyone will lynch me before you? Who says? Last time it ended bad, I don't think everyone will put you in such high demand as you think, you are a great player, we can't deny that. But you are not completely essential to our victory, especially if you are a mafia.
and I find it hilariously convenient that it worked out when you were town last game, to just lynch Ver who is just as good as you are, you know. Based off just your word, but when its someone else word, then its not good enough. At least when its on your head, sounds a lot like mafia 3 to me. Where you proceeded to get Folca lynched, a role claimed DT.
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Or you have to consider the fact that Ace could be a rockstar, malongo bodyguard and vice versa.
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Okay, while this debacle with Ace is slowly being sorted out and I'm still sticking with Rebirth unless someone else has a better idea than him. I also decided to try a little bit of clue analysis.
The part in the story in which Caller says the mafia leader is listening to music may point to Artanis[xp], who has a link to a MyLastFM profile, a social music site.
Also, I like the idea of pinning Rage with the mafia that throws the knife, barely missing the vans deferens.
Just a few suspicions and additional food for thought.
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holy shit, i leave for a few hours and i come back to three pages full of stuff. anyone want to fill me in on what's going on or do i have to read through everything? x_x
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On December 30 2008 09:09 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Ace, I have justified plenty of my actions as of now. The DT call instead of the Jack, to avoid a potential bomb. There is more detailed version somewhere back. I said I checked with Caller as well, I PMed him right as I checked you and you popped red, I asked if the Jack could be insane. He could not, I am sure Caller will vouch for that, or you can all ask Caller yourself, I don't care, it doesn't matter either way.
Ok I'll ask since the entire town should know:
Caller, can the Jack be insane/sane or is the jacks role reveals always 100% true?
And secondly, I know you're bullshitting and this is some sort of mafia trap to get me lynched or you are the village idiot. Already you've got people bandwagonning against me when you're premise makes no sense. No one has verified if you're a Jack or not, and likewise no one has verified if I'm mafia or not except YOU. One person made a smurf account to say they are the real Jack and I'm betting it's legit - this is some sort of crooked plan to lure them out.
Why would I risk others that I am communicating with now? If you read my posts I am in contact with quite a few people, I am not giving out there names however because its I am not endangering anyone else as of yet, I am keeping my connections private until the rockstar is here, I will tell him about all the contacts I have made so far.
lol and everyone will lynch me before you? Who says? Last time it ended bad, I don't think everyone will put you in such high demand as you think, you are a great player, we can't deny that. But you are not completely essential to our victory, especially if you are a mafia.
Last game I was a front for a DT. How is it that you not even saying you are in contact = to having less risk? That makes no sense. You haven't made any contacts. Stop lying. And lastly I'm not mafia, and your post makes it sound as if you are lynching me because you checked some other high ranked player( maybe Ver), maybe saw he has a blue role and figured shit, Ace might as well be mafia now. Because there's no way you could be going this far to get me lynched unless you're not even 100% sure (which you aren't) or you are the Village Idiot.
and I find it hilariously convenient that it worked out when you were town last game, to just lynch Ver who is just as good as you are, you know. Based off just your word, but when its someone else word, then its not good enough. At least when its on your head, sounds a lot like mafia 3 to me. Where you proceeded to get Folca lynched, a role claimed DT.
But in this game we can't even take your word because with the roles the way they are now, one townie surely doesn't have to play for the town's favor. Secondly, we can't prove anything about who YOU are. Go ahead, say this isn't making any sense. We'll wait for Caller to clear this up and we'll wait for some other DTs to vouch for you.
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Ok Ace, then who ARE you? Role please.
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Or thereal jack could have been a mafia member in disguise.
I've never heard of a Jack being insane. It's the role that's insane, not the ability to do the role. Only the detective could be insane from my understanding of what Caller wrote.
How can it be a mafia trap, Ace? Until you convince us of that, your words aren't going to have any affect. You could very easily be a mafioso who's chosen the best way to convince townies of his innocence is sounding angered.
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Read the thread Ace, I have said I am in contact with people, and what the hell do you mean I am probably not even talking to people, lol? Do you honestly think no one has PMed me after I role claimed and pinned you as the mafia? You are out of your mind.
How does my post make it sound like I checked a high ranked player and am using their word? I have said that I am the Jack several times Ace. I have said I checked you, I never stated I was a mouthpiece or anything.
and how am I going this far to get you lynched? I posted tons of evidence and justification for things people said attacking me, when you role claim like I did, you know the problems that come with it. Everything you said, and everything you say is in constant question, of course I am going to post condemning you, what else would you like me to do? Post completely idiotic and senseless things that have no relevance on what happens here?
I role checked you, you are mafia, I posted convincing people to lynch you based off of that, by day two we should have some level of verification on this. Don't be an idiot please.
That is in response to your second point, the first one was just you basically saying that I role claimed, and how you can't verify it. Which is essentially what the role claim is -_-; that is why I offer your head as proof, otherwise there is none.
To the third part, what do you suggest we do day 1 then? we can't have another DT come out and role check me yet. and the proof rests with your lynch, as I have said before. That is what a Role Claim is, you claim your role and the proof that I am what I say I am rests with yuor death, or mine.
In M3, it was Folca's, in M5 its going to be you. I am much more clever and don't trip over my words like he does, you won't out talk me Ace :/
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ugh, not this again x_x we've got one guy role claiming, calling the other while the other is calling the original guy out with no absolute proof that either are lying/telling the truth. this is just like last game. just like to remind the town to take everything with a grain of salt x_x i'll abstain for now till i'm 100% sure or some SOLID proof comes out
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@Incog: I'm not telling you my role.
@LucasWoj: Caller's jack description has nothing in it. So how can we be so sure RoL is even telling the truth until Caller lets us know.
I'm not even sounding angry right now. I'm just surprised I need to convince anyone of anything when on the first day RoL claims to be a jack, picks me and I should be lynched. But since you are so blindly believing him why don't you tell us why I should be lynched?
It is a trap. The town is playing off of Mafia 3 right now hoping to lynch me first. And this time I'm not mafia.
Townies: look at the the vote blog and pay special attention to the people voting for me off the bat. There are NO good reasons to vote me to die and these players are already doing so.
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ok rol: post your tons of evidence. Go ahead I'm waiting.
You dont have any. You can't verify you're role claim because it's still Day 1 and you "allegedly" used a DT power on me - which means we can't ask you to do anything to verify yourself.
I'm not even trying to out talk you, I'm letting everyone know your bullshitting
I know I'm not mafia, you know I'm not mafia, and I know that your alleged "buddies" know that I'm not mafia too.
you still haven't proved anything, I'm still waiting.
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Ace what RoL said shouldn't be ignored though.
Similar things happened in Chuiu's mafia game 3 and someone did a rolecheck on you on the first day and it turned out you were mafia. Why doesn't the same apply to this game? I can't say you're innocent because what RoL, despite having no proof, said could be true.
+what malongo said about "ace and me" is suspcious.
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Guys please post more, I am only abstaining from voting because I can't figure out if
A) Rol is part of a mafia strategy to eliminate ace
B) Ace is a smooth talking mafioso
or
C) ROL is fucking up the game and is the village_idiot.
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lol whoops, like I said, you are going to attack every word I say. Ironically, just as I said how you wouldn't be able to catch me, you got me with something. I don't have any evidence, I role checked you. My proof lies with your lynch, or my deceit.
It is day one, we have little to no evidence to work with. We have behavior to work with, not much else.
As I stated before, the very nature of a role claim at this stage in the game is that the proof of my role rests with either my lynch, or yours. Nothing else. We can have another DT check one of us, but that seems kind of redundant at this point. However if another DT wants to check me or you, feel free.
To address that Caller/Jack role thing. why would I bother lying about something that can be so EASILY checked? You must seriously think I am retarded.
My alleged buddies are told simple advice, don't trust anyone with your role info or anything vital. Until this is all sorted out, I stress role secrecy. I don't even ask for there roles until we have some trust sorted out. The problem is that if they tell me their roles, I will take that into consideration when making my decisions, I don't want to be biased by what could be lies yet. So I am attempting to avoid that, while I also wish to protect them from each other.
I'm not even sounding angry right now. I'm just surprised I need to convince anyone of anything when on the first day RoL claims to be a jack, picks me and I should be lynched. But since you are so blindly believing him why don't you tell us why I should be lynched?
and to this, what do you suggest we do? On any given day one, a role claim and role check are the strongest things you have to go off of, what I am saying is your strongest LEAD (I will be saying lead instead of evidence now)
Behavior is not shown too well, except by circumstances like these, on day one. The evidence is weak on day one, there is no better lead then a role call and kill the role called, rather than risk a DT/Jack.
What arguments or logic have you brought fourth for not listening to me? there really hasn't been any, but until a stronger alternative is brought forward, lynching you is the best course of action in this case.
Once again, refer to the nature of a role claim. Its not based off of clues or evidence. Yet its the strongest thing to go off of on day one.
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the fact that it can be easily checked is exactly why I'm waiting for it to be checked. Doesn't matter if you thought it would be a dumb move of you to do so - we're going to do it anyway.
We'll wait for Caller to post this, because I'm pretty sure you're lying about that. And if you're alleged buddies were told to do that - how are they trusting you? Allegedly you are the only person in the entire game who can 100% find out someone's ID. And your buddies trust you?
Come on, you know as well as I do that does NOT add up. And of course I'm attacking your posts - you try to get me lynched on the first day of the game.
@clazz: I don't have anything to do with malongo. If I was mafia why the hell would I ask for any of my mafia buddies to defend me? We all know I don't need help with that. You shouldn't ignore RoL, but you also should take what he says with more scrutiny. He says he has a core of buddies, but none of them can prove anything to each other and only 1 person in the entire game (allegedly) can know someone's role. How can their be a circle of legit trust formed so fast?
Answer that. Seriously, this is getting stupid.
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If I don't know Ace's role I won't know if its worth keeping him alive or not. Either way, we kill both of you we find a mafia. I don't know Ace's alleged role, but I do now RoLs. Thus we'll have to kill Ace first if we are to find out anything. And both of you are BSing. You are not adding anything useful to the discussion. We can't trust you saying RoL is lying without evidence. A rolecheck claim is more convincing than just saying someone is lying.
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On December 30 2008 10:10 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
and to this, what do you suggest we do? On any given day one, a role claim and role check are the strongest things you have to go off of, what I am saying is your strongest LEAD (I will be saying lead instead of evidence now)
Behavior is not shown too well, except by circumstances like these, on day one. The evidence is weak on day one, there is no better lead then a role call and kill the role called, rather than risk a DT/Jack.
What arguments or logic have you brought fourth for not listening to me? there really hasn't been any, but until a stronger alternative is brought forward, lynching you is the best course of action in this case.
Once again, refer to the nature of a role claim. Its not based off of clues or evidence. Yet its the strongest thing to go off of on day one.
Why would we ever lynched the accused when their are GODFATHERS and INSANE Dts in the game? No one is 100% sure what they have is legit. Until Caller sorts this out, we can't even believe you.
You just admitted you have no clues or evidence. You said behavior is not shown too well except by circumstances like this? So how is this helping?
all my logic does make sense. You can't prove you are a jack, and you can't prove to any of your alleged buddies your role either. I highly doubt this early in the game any of them told you their roles when no one has been lynched. It's not adding up on your end.
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On December 30 2008 10:17 Incognito wrote:
If I don't know Ace's role I won't know if its worth keeping him alive or not. Either way, we kill both of you we find a mafia. I don't know Ace's alleged role, but I do now RoLs. Thus we'll have to kill Ace first if we are to find out anything. And both of you are BSing. You are not adding anything useful to the discussion. We can't trust you saying RoL is lying without evidence. A rolecheck claim is more convincing than just saying someone is lying.
For the last time I am not telling you my role.
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On December 30 2008 10:20 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2008 10:17 Incognito wrote:
If I don't know Ace's role I won't know if its worth keeping him alive or not. Either way, we kill both of you we find a mafia. I don't know Ace's alleged role, but I do now RoLs. Thus we'll have to kill Ace first if we are to find out anything. And both of you are BSing. You are not adding anything useful to the discussion. We can't trust you saying RoL is lying without evidence. A rolecheck claim is more convincing than just saying someone is lying. For the last time I am not telling you my role.
Mafioso?
How can he have evidence?
In Mafia 3, how did Folca have any evidence?
Same thing applies here, I thought?
I think if you flip out blue/green, then we can just kill RoL.
We should just follow the same plan as game 3.
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you could, but I'm never up for killing myself.
I'd tell you that it's clear cut RoL is mafia, but with the VI role I can't be sure. And with appearing as a green to role checks the only thing we would know is if he's lying about being a blue.
Right now we'll wait for Caller to post, since as RoL claims it can be easily checked.
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On December 30 2008 10:20 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2008 10:17 Incognito wrote:
If I don't know Ace's role I won't know if its worth keeping him alive or not. Either way, we kill both of you we find a mafia. I don't know Ace's alleged role, but I do now RoLs. Thus we'll have to kill Ace first if we are to find out anything. And both of you are BSing. You are not adding anything useful to the discussion. We can't trust you saying RoL is lying without evidence. A rolecheck claim is more convincing than just saying someone is lying. For the last time I am not telling you my role.
A little birdie told me Ver was red.
A little birdie told me Ver was red.
A little birdie told me Ver was red.
A little birdie told me Ver was red.
A little birdie told me Ver was red.
A little birdie told me Ver was red.
A little birdie told me Ver was red.
A little birdie told me Ver was red.
CHANGE YOUR VOTE, VOTE VER.
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On December 30 2008 09:37 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2008 09:09 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Ace, I have justified plenty of my actions as of now. The DT call instead of the Jack, to avoid a potential bomb. There is more detailed version somewhere back. I said I checked with Caller as well, I PMed him right as I checked you and you popped red, I asked if the Jack could be insane. He could not, I am sure Caller will vouch for that, or you can all ask Caller yourself, I don't care, it doesn't matter either way.
Ok I'll ask since the entire town should know: Caller, can the Jack be insane/sane or is the jacks role reveals always 100% true? And secondly, I know you're bullshitting and this is some sort of mafia trap to get me lynched or you are the village idiot. Already you've got people bandwagonning against me when you're premise makes no sense. No one has verified if you're a Jack or not, and likewise no one has verified if I'm mafia or not except YOU. One person made a smurf account to say they are the real Jack and I'm betting it's legit - this is some sort of crooked plan to lure them out. Show nested quote +
Why would I risk others that I am communicating with now? If you read my posts I am in contact with quite a few people, I am not giving out there names however because its I am not endangering anyone else as of yet, I am keeping my connections private until the rockstar is here, I will tell him about all the contacts I have made so far.
lol and everyone will lynch me before you? Who says? Last time it ended bad, I don't think everyone will put you in such high demand as you think, you are a great player, we can't deny that. But you are not completely essential to our victory, especially if you are a mafia.
Last game I was a front for a DT. How is it that you not even saying you are in contact = to having less risk? That makes no sense. You haven't made any contacts. Stop lying. And lastly I'm not mafia, and your post makes it sound as if you are lynching me because you checked some other high ranked player( maybe Ver), maybe saw he has a blue role and figured shit, Ace might as well be mafia now. Because there's no way you could be going this far to get me lynched unless you're not even 100% sure (which you aren't) or you are the Village Idiot. Show nested quote +
and I find it hilariously convenient that it worked out when you were town last game, to just lynch Ver who is just as good as you are, you know. Based off just your word, but when its someone else word, then its not good enough. At least when its on your head, sounds a lot like mafia 3 to me. Where you proceeded to get Folca lynched, a role claimed DT.
But in this game we can't even take your word because with the roles the way they are now, one townie surely doesn't have to play for the town's favor. Secondly, we can't prove anything about who YOU are. Go ahead, say this isn't making any sense. We'll wait for Caller to clear this up and we'll wait for some other DTs to vouch for you.
jack is sane
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On December 30 2008 10:29 AttackZerg wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2008 10:20 Ace wrote:On December 30 2008 10:17 Incognito wrote:
If I don't know Ace's role I won't know if its worth keeping him alive or not. Either way, we kill both of you we find a mafia. I don't know Ace's alleged role, but I do now RoLs. Thus we'll have to kill Ace first if we are to find out anything. And both of you are BSing. You are not adding anything useful to the discussion. We can't trust you saying RoL is lying without evidence. A rolecheck claim is more convincing than just saying someone is lying. For the last time I am not telling you my role. A little birdie told me Ver was red.A little birdie told me Ver was red.A little birdie told me Ver was red.A little birdie told me Ver was red.A little birdie told me Ver was red.A little birdie told me Ver was red.A little birdie told me Ver was red.A little birdie told me Ver was red.CHANGE YOUR VOTE, VOTE VER.
A little birdie told me Ver was red.
QFT
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On December 30 2008 10:29 Caller wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2008 09:37 Ace wrote:On December 30 2008 09:09 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Ace, I have justified plenty of my actions as of now. The DT call instead of the Jack, to avoid a potential bomb. There is more detailed version somewhere back. I said I checked with Caller as well, I PMed him right as I checked you and you popped red, I asked if the Jack could be insane. He could not, I am sure Caller will vouch for that, or you can all ask Caller yourself, I don't care, it doesn't matter either way.
Ok I'll ask since the entire town should know: Caller, can the Jack be insane/sane or is the jacks role reveals always 100% true? And secondly, I know you're bullshitting and this is some sort of mafia trap to get me lynched or you are the village idiot. Already you've got people bandwagonning against me when you're premise makes no sense. No one has verified if you're a Jack or not, and likewise no one has verified if I'm mafia or not except YOU. One person made a smurf account to say they are the real Jack and I'm betting it's legit - this is some sort of crooked plan to lure them out.
Why would I risk others that I am communicating with now? If you read my posts I am in contact with quite a few people, I am not giving out there names however because its I am not endangering anyone else as of yet, I am keeping my connections private until the rockstar is here, I will tell him about all the contacts I have made so far.
lol and everyone will lynch me before you? Who says? Last time it ended bad, I don't think everyone will put you in such high demand as you think, you are a great player, we can't deny that. But you are not completely essential to our victory, especially if you are a mafia.
Last game I was a front for a DT. How is it that you not even saying you are in contact = to having less risk? That makes no sense. You haven't made any contacts. Stop lying. And lastly I'm not mafia, and your post makes it sound as if you are lynching me because you checked some other high ranked player( maybe Ver), maybe saw he has a blue role and figured shit, Ace might as well be mafia now. Because there's no way you could be going this far to get me lynched unless you're not even 100% sure (which you aren't) or you are the Village Idiot.
and I find it hilariously convenient that it worked out when you were town last game, to just lynch Ver who is just as good as you are, you know. Based off just your word, but when its someone else word, then its not good enough. At least when its on your head, sounds a lot like mafia 3 to me. Where you proceeded to get Folca lynched, a role claimed DT.
But in this game we can't even take your word because with the roles the way they are now, one townie surely doesn't have to play for the town's favor. Secondly, we can't prove anything about who YOU are. Go ahead, say this isn't making any sense. We'll wait for Caller to clear this up and we'll wait for some other DTs to vouch for you. jack is sane
Ace, there you have it. The fact that you were even asking that shows that you're tremendously desperate or you're part of the mafia putting on a show.
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Things are moving faster than can be comprehended.
I only have 20 minutes myself before I must go (will be back in like 7 hours) so rather than try to dissect this argument I will go onto other town strategy. And yes I agree with Mynock that things are more than they seem.
Caller can we get an extension?
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On December 30 2008 10:36 Ver wrote:
Things are moving faster than can be comprehended.
I only have 20 minutes myself before I must go (will be back in like 7 hours) so rather than try to dissect this argument I will go onto other town strategy. And yes I agree with Mynock that things are more than they seem.
Caller can we get an extension?
A little birdie told me Ver was red.
A little birdie told me Ver was red.
No extension, kill him, its him.
Little birdies don't lie.
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How little is this birdie?
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On December 30 2008 10:36 Ver wrote:
Things are moving faster than can be comprehended.
I only have 20 minutes myself before I must go (will be back in like 7 hours) so rather than try to dissect this argument I will go onto other town strategy. And yes I agree with Mynock that things are more than they seem.
Caller can we get an extension?
I haven't decided when to close night yet but it won't be for at least 12 hours
I'm too busy loling my ass off at this drama
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On December 30 2008 10:38 Caller wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2008 10:36 Ver wrote:
Things are moving faster than can be comprehended.
I only have 20 minutes myself before I must go (will be back in like 7 hours) so rather than try to dissect this argument I will go onto other town strategy. And yes I agree with Mynock that things are more than they seem.
Caller can we get an extension? I haven't decided when to close night yet but it won't be for at least 12 hours I'm too busy loling my ass off at this drama
Now you know what felt like last game ;p
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Wait...why is Ver red again?
Until then voting for Ace.
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On December 30 2008 10:38 LucasWoJ wrote:
How little is this birdie?
Don't be funny jackass.
We are about to lynch somebody that I highly doubt is mafia because of some role claming bastard.
I know two people in this game claiming Ver is red!
So the bird is big enough to have a nest jackoff.
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attackzerg what the fuck?
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On December 30 2008 10:42 AttackZerg wrote:Don't be funny jackass. We are about to lynch somebody that I highly doubt is mafia because of some role claming bastard. I know two people in this game claiming Ver is red! So the bird is big enough to have a nest jackoff.
So you and ? = mafia profit?
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On December 30 2008 10:42 AttackZerg wrote:Don't be funny jackass. We are about to lynch somebody that I highly doubt is mafia because of some role claming bastard. I know two people in this game claiming Ver is red! So the bird is big enough to have a nest jackoff.
Why would two ppl contact you saying that Ver is red when they don't know what you are?
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See page 24. Massive post.
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Could be that AttackZerg is trying to get people off Ace's back which would mean he's mafia too.
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.... Fuck I hate all of you.
I do not know anything about ace so I can't say he isn't mafia 100%.
BUT I HAVE BEEN MESSAGED TWICE BY SEPERATE PEOPLE WHO CLAIM VER FLIPPED RED.
THIS IS NOT A FUCKING GAME.
This also means that Ver is not the godfather otherwise he wouldn't have shown as red.
If the people who messaged me don't come forward , even in an obscure way, then I'll out you.
Mafia is using the strategy that ace used last game with caller to gain a decisive advantage.
=(
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I am so confused to why my fucking quotes are broken in that post.
AttackZerg, are you just attempting to create chaos?
The odds of TWO people PMing you with that who AREN'T mafia are EXTREMELY low. Why the hell would they PM you? That is just weird, you are either getting fucked with by the mafia or are being a complete douchebag for no reason.
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I hope no one is taking Attackzerg seriously. He sure is acting like someone is (attention whore). oO
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On December 30 2008 10:43 TranceStorm wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2008 10:42 AttackZerg wrote:On December 30 2008 10:38 LucasWoJ wrote:
How little is this birdie? Don't be funny jackass. We are about to lynch somebody that I highly doubt is mafia because of some role claming bastard. I know two people in this game claiming Ver is red! So the bird is big enough to have a nest jackoff. Why would two ppl contact you saying that Ver is red when they don't know what you are?
My guess?
I think Ver flipping red + last game logic -> What are the odds caller reassembles the former mafia team.
Also I'm sure that players from last game could tell the difference between my play.
I won't lie, Ver just made a good point threw pm.
To sum it up
"Well if I flipped red, then the only positive is that we know our cops are insane"
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On December 30 2008 10:45 AttackZerg wrote:
.... Fuck I hate all of you.
I do not know anything about ace so I can't say he isn't mafia 100%.
BUT I HAVE BEEN MESSAGED TWICE BY SEPERATE PEOPLE WHO CLAIM VER FLIPPED RED.
THIS IS NOT A FUCKING GAME.
This also means that Ver is not the godfather otherwise he wouldn't have shown as red.
If the people who messaged me don't come forward , even in an obscure way, then I'll out you.
Mafia is using the strategy that ace used last game with caller to gain a decisive advantage.
=(
And what was that strategy?
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On December 30 2008 10:48 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
I am so confused to why my fucking quotes are broken in that post.
AttackZerg, are you just attempting to create chaos?
The odds of TWO people PMing you with that who AREN'T mafia are EXTREMELY low. Why the hell would they PM you? That is just weird, you are either getting fucked with by the mafia or are being a complete douchebag for no reason.
What are the odds after the towns rape last game, that a jack/dt would be stupid enough to out themselves on day one?
You are a lair.
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On December 30 2008 10:52 AttackZerg wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2008 10:48 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
I am so confused to why my fucking quotes are broken in that post.
AttackZerg, are you just attempting to create chaos?
The odds of TWO people PMing you with that who AREN'T mafia are EXTREMELY low. Why the hell would they PM you? That is just weird, you are either getting fucked with by the mafia or are being a complete douchebag for no reason. What are the odds after the towns rape last game, that a jack/dt would be stupid enough to out themselves on day one? You are a lair.
You're just a jealous hatchery
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On December 30 2008 10:52 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2008 10:52 AttackZerg wrote:On December 30 2008 10:48 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
I am so confused to why my fucking quotes are broken in that post.
AttackZerg, are you just attempting to create chaos?
The odds of TWO people PMing you with that who AREN'T mafia are EXTREMELY low. Why the hell would they PM you? That is just weird, you are either getting fucked with by the mafia or are being a complete douchebag for no reason. What are the odds after the towns rape last game, that a jack/dt would be stupid enough to out themselves on day one? You are a lair. You're just a jealous hatchery
Muta > Lurker k?
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On December 30 2008 10:52 Incognito wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2008 10:45 AttackZerg wrote:
.... Fuck I hate all of you.
I do not know anything about ace so I can't say he isn't mafia 100%.
BUT I HAVE BEEN MESSAGED TWICE BY SEPERATE PEOPLE WHO CLAIM VER FLIPPED RED.
THIS IS NOT A FUCKING GAME.
This also means that Ver is not the godfather otherwise he wouldn't have shown as red.
If the people who messaged me don't come forward , even in an obscure way, then I'll out you.
Mafia is using the strategy that ace used last game with caller to gain a decisive advantage.
=( And what was that strategy?
Go read the last mafia thread, Day one, Ace's post. Notice if you see rebirthoflegend doing the exact same shit.
What is the coincidence?
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Please you retard, point out how my move was stupid?
Your a douchebag. Arguing logically with a tool is so mind numbing and pointless.
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attackzerg you're fucking suspicious. one person pm'ing you, i may understand, but TWO?
what would their reason be?
either you're bs or those two that pm'ed you are BULLSHIT.
maybe you want Ver dead because he's an important part of the town? Mafioso?
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On December 30 2008 10:57 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Please you retard, point out how my move was stupid?
Your a douchebag. Arguing logically with a tool is so mind numbing and pointless.
Who is there right fucking mind, copys a losing strategy from the game before?
Sorry lier you lose.
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It was poorly executed you dumb fuck, this is a different game with different rules, roles, and players.
this one requires activity, almost every player is a certified active. and we barely won you jackass. We came SO close to losing, and you were one of the idiots who caused that.
Last time Ace depended on the Medics being active/smart. They were neither for the most part. Or being corrupted by us. That's why it didn't work, this game has active ones, and with some coordination before the night, it could work.
your mother.
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t.t
Ok everybody disregard the things I said. They were all lies, I was just bored. I also think its really boring to eliminate mafia this way. Role claiming is really gay, just like rebirth who clearly identifies with my mother, probably about menstration.
For all I know rebirth isn't mafia.
I like many different flavors of pizza.
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holy shit, you are irritating.
Edit: also if anyone can see what the fuck is broken with my post on page 23, can you let me know? I can't fucking fix it. I have been trying for like 15 minutes, all the code looks right.
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so basically you are diet Folca
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On December 30 2008 11:07 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:
so basically you are diet Folca
I am alot more like the wind then the trees if that is what you mean.
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mmmm whatever
Anyways I ran out of time to post my strategy that will have to wait till tonight (6-8 hours from now).
Don't just go off and bandwagon vote Ace on your own. Consider the possibilities and make an alternate plan; I'm not really convinced either way at this point.
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Ver, I love you. Have fun at work baby, I packed your favorite lunch.
+ Show Spoiler + Tuna on Rye with extra mayo
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Want to edit this in but whatever:
the town wants time; the mafia wants chaos and a hasty decision.
Above all, we NEED THE ROCKSTAR. PM me if you have any faith in my plans at all, if not at the very least, roleclaim in public.
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AZ, stop it, it's annoying just like last game when you dicked me over -_-
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AttackZerg you could've also just posted you're the village idiot.
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On December 30 2008 11:14 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
AttackZerg you could've also just posted you're the village idiot.
lol true, and it would make sense too lol
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On December 30 2008 10:20 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2008 10:10 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
and to this, what do you suggest we do? On any given day one, a role claim and role check are the strongest things you have to go off of, what I am saying is your strongest LEAD (I will be saying lead instead of evidence now)
Behavior is not shown too well, except by circumstances like these, on day one. The evidence is weak on day one, there is no better lead then a role call and kill the role called, rather than risk a DT/Jack.
What arguments or logic have you brought fourth for not listening to me? there really hasn't been any, but until a stronger alternative is brought forward, lynching you is the best course of action in this case.
Once again, refer to the nature of a role claim. Its not based off of clues or evidence. Yet its the strongest thing to go off of on day one. Why would we ever lynched the accused when their are GODFATHERS and INSANE Dts in the game? No one is 100% sure what they have is legit. Until Caller sorts this out, we can't even believe you.
Hey your right! Except I am a Jack, not a DT. I am immune to the Insane clause of their role. As caller said. What does the GF have to do with ANYTHING? With the exception that I can appear as a Jack if I am checked, even if I am not. That does not explain you appearing mafia to me, or justify why we shouldn't kill you. You are making less sense every time.
You just admitted you have no clues or evidence. You said behavior is not shown too well except by circumstances like this? So how is this helping?
Situations where the mafia are accused of a role claim require people to defend the accused mafia, normally other mafias. Suspicion is shown through others actions, my fate and yours are decided. Our allies need to sort through the 10 pages of text and figure out roles based off of it. You need to figure out blues, we figure out reads. Kill as many asap. Simple.
all my logic does make sense. You can't prove you are a jack, and you can't prove to any of your alleged buddies your role either. I highly doubt this early in the game any of them told you their roles when no one has been lynched. It's not adding up on your end.
My "buddies" were never claimed to have trusted me, or me trusting them. Face it, You are grasping for something to save you that isn't there. I said NO ONE told me their role, and that I insist that no one does. I don't want to know peoples roles yet, because it will just get confusing and make me bias (when they could be lying) and I believe only a mafia would be so willing to give me there (fake) role.
and as I said, like 9 fucking times already. The proof that I am a Jack lies with your lynch, that is the proof I offered up, another person can check me if they would like, I don't really care. But wasting checks is stupid at this point. So I doubt any people will.
Your logic doesn't make sense.
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I finally fucking fixed that post, had an extra [quote] command in it. Thanks LTT! It wasn't missing a / it had an extra normal quote.
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but if ace isn't mafia (he's town or blue), and he is lynched, we just lost someone very knowledgeable so this is basically a trade right? either RoL is blue and town and we win big or Ace is blue and we lose big (sorta)
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I know AttackZerg was being a jerk and that was all a lie, but how is killing off someone because of a roleclaim a strategy? Let alone a bad strategy? The point is that the town is like the Russians. So many people they can just let them die. So...trades at even odds are good. Probably one of them is mafia. Otherwise RoL is the village idiot. If you are the village idiot just make a deal with the town like Ver said.
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A little birdie told me Ver was red.
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On December 30 2008 11:11 inertinept wrote:
#LL I vote for JL13
Care to explain why, inertinept?
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actually I quit. I'd rather not play anymore.
Town lynch me please. I'm Godfather.
BTW if anyone wants to know the unbreakable strat, just PM me.
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OK, I'm just going to skip all the idiotic garbage that was piled up there lately, and address two things:
1) I say this in EVERY Mafia game, but so few ever listen: more info is GOOD for the Town, less is bad. Which means we should NOT make any hasty decisions right now. Normally I'd say the situation is good, because either RoL or Ace OR possibly both would be Mafia, which is good odds. But this time, I have my doubts, and that is because:
2) The new roles make for a VERY DIFFERENT situation. Either RoL OR Ace could be the Village Idiots. And lynching a Village Idiot serves nothing good for the Town, only for Mafia (we lose a lynch, Mafia won't make any mistakes in hits, etc...) and the VI himself. Honestly, I was expecting something like this from the beginning, I was willing to bet on huge amounts of drama right from the get-go, and here we are.
Just think of all the possibilities with the new roles! Here's one: Mafia uses the Mole (who flips green no matter what), or better yet, ANY green Townie (because if approached they won't know they are a mole, and would still serve the Mafia, later to be disposed of) to do some dirty work for them. What would they want to do in that case? Obviously cause confusion, and maybe kill a strong player in the process. Ver and Ace come up as prime candidates here of course. Once the rope tightens around the poor fake-Mole however, when the one he suggested to lynch flipped Town, he says "oh well I wasn't really a Jack, I was fed info by XY", gives them out, they get lynched, and at the end, the fake-Mole gets lynched as well, thinking he made a sacrifice for his family, while in reality he has been had in every orifice and the real Mole survives too. Now this is only possible if the Mafia knows of at least ONE green Townie (to avoid hitting blues obviously). So if by some way they found one such Townie, the strategy can be set in motion.
The key is to think like the Mafia would, not in the simplest way you'd want things to happen.
So what I propose is: Wait! The next day the Jack can prove himself by doing something of a request skill. By that time we NEED THE ROCKSTAR to come out. Once he's out we can start organizing things, do NOT ACT rashly before that.
Also, I simply refuse to believe that neither the RS and the VI have shown themselves yet. I bet they are somebody who posted before, but for some reason (obscure to me yet) they believe they are better off hiding. Granted, I still don't understand all the possibilities yet, but I just fail to see what danger it would be for the RS to come out already. As for the VI, I believe I have spotted him already, but I will keep these thoughts to myself so far.
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On December 30 2008 11:52 Ace wrote:
actually I quit. I'd rather not play anymore.
Town lynch me please. I'm Godfather.
BTW if anyone wants to know the unbreakable strat, just PM me.
OK we have our VI then.
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On December 30 2008 11:57 Mynock wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2008 11:52 Ace wrote:
actually I quit. I'd rather not play anymore.
Town lynch me please. I'm Godfather.
BTW if anyone wants to know the unbreakable strat, just PM me. OK we have our VI then.
If he is VI what does that make ROL?
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On December 30 2008 11:52 Ace wrote:
actually I quit. I'd rather not play anymore.
Town lynch me please. I'm Godfather.
BTW if anyone wants to know the unbreakable strat, just PM me.
if you're GF why would you choose to appear as red?
or did you not send in to Caller what you wanted to appear as, RoL checked you before you could?
or are you fucking with us?
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anyway this is the plan I discussed with someone before all this nonsense got too heated: The unbreakable strat.
back to how the my original plan works:
Day 1 the Rockstar roleclaims.
Mafia can't risk this roleclaim, because even without bodyguards speaking up if the town goes through lynches to confirm the real Rockstar and does not waste a role check then the mafia lose out on members + wasted DT abilities. This makes the Rockstar pretty much invincible until he is silenced, and this assumes the Rockstar doesn't have one of his bodyguards fake claim for him.
If the Rockstar is silenced, this is when the Vets step up. Being that the NRA member has no clue who he is, we have to hope that medics and DTs that plan on protting/checking people let someone else legit know. This way we can find out by their deaths who the NRA guy is (as it'll be a newsflash and not in the night post). This is an insane advantage the town has as their is no way anyone can be confused as to how the person died. Once this happens, the NRA member is told that he is NRA and now becomes a spokesperson for the confirmed innocents.
The Vets and the NRA guy are now the focal point of everything. The vets do not need to be confirmed - we just tell them general ideas to issue (along with ourselves speaking up). If a lot of people start speaking up, some Vets and the NRA guy the mafia will have to waste a ton of time to take all of them down, losing hits and members in the cause.
The only thing that can mess this up is a Village Idiot false claiming that slips by as we can't waste checks on everyone.
I'm going to post this to the town soon, but if you see any holes in this let me know asap. I've got another plan but I haven't fleshed it out too much. It has to do with Vigilantes and the DT PMing Caller 5 names. Not many people realize it yet, but that ability is more broken than almost anything else the town can do.
With a 100% sane Jack (thanks Caller) the town can't ever be confused. All it takes is 1 PM with all the claimed DTs to send to the Jack. Or have all the DTs use their ability once with 5 different names and send that list to the Jack who PMs caller all 5. Within 2 days the town will know whether their DTs are sane/insane + if they are all legit. From 2 invincible townies to 3 now.
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On December 30 2008 12:02 AttackZerg wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2008 11:57 Mynock wrote:On December 30 2008 11:52 Ace wrote:
actually I quit. I'd rather not play anymore.
Town lynch me please. I'm Godfather.
BTW if anyone wants to know the unbreakable strat, just PM me. OK we have our VI then. If he is VI what does that make ROL?
If Ace were really the VI then he wouldn't say anything. Most of the town is already lined up against him. Why would he post anything that would give doubt to that if he wanted to be killed?
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On December 30 2008 12:04 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2008 11:52 Ace wrote:
actually I quit. I'd rather not play anymore.
Town lynch me please. I'm Godfather.
BTW if anyone wants to know the unbreakable strat, just PM me. if you're GF why would you choose to appear as red? or did you not send in to Caller what you wanted to appear as, RoL checked you before you could? or are you fucking with us?
I was sleeping, I never got the chance to send him anything before I was surely checked. So I appeared green. Of course no one could know I was mafia so RoL jumped on a hunch - I tried to explain this to everyone even without revealing my role but the town as usual wouldn't listen to logic.
Once Caller revealed Jacks are 100% sane it kills any point of even playing anymore. The game is way too broken.
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On December 30 2008 12:08 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2008 12:04 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:On December 30 2008 11:52 Ace wrote:
actually I quit. I'd rather not play anymore.
Town lynch me please. I'm Godfather.
BTW if anyone wants to know the unbreakable strat, just PM me. if you're GF why would you choose to appear as red? or did you not send in to Caller what you wanted to appear as, RoL checked you before you could? or are you fucking with us? I was sleeping, I never got the chance to send him anything before I was surely checked. So I appeared green. Of course no one could know I was mafia so RoL jumped on a hunch - I tried to explain this to everyone even without revealing my role but the town as usual wouldn't listen to logic. Once Caller revealed Jacks are 100% sane it kills any point of even playing anymore. The game is way too broken.
but dt's and jacks have been 100% sane in all the past mafia games and nobody has complained about that. or is it the combination of sane jack + partially invincible roles like VI and NRA and Anarchist and RockStar?
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cause he's the village idiot think about it, you can't be killed and you just need to be lynched to "win". you could "win" or you could go crazy and fuck up the game from everyone else while laughing your ass off.
this is one possibility. or he could be mafia, either way, I've been against this odds thing (since last game) so I'mma sit this vote out and see where it goes from here. all these new roles/rules are adding in too much confusion.
And since Lucas wants me to say this: take everything with a grain of salt. I understand this is one way to move the game forward but it's very risky and I'm trying to understand why this way was taken instead of RS roleclaiming/his BGs fake roleclaiming and then a town network can be established. isn't that way A LOT safer?
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On December 30 2008 12:13 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2008 12:08 Ace wrote:On December 30 2008 12:04 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:On December 30 2008 11:52 Ace wrote:
actually I quit. I'd rather not play anymore.
Town lynch me please. I'm Godfather.
BTW if anyone wants to know the unbreakable strat, just PM me. if you're GF why would you choose to appear as red? or did you not send in to Caller what you wanted to appear as, RoL checked you before you could? or are you fucking with us? I was sleeping, I never got the chance to send him anything before I was surely checked. So I appeared green. Of course no one could know I was mafia so RoL jumped on a hunch - I tried to explain this to everyone even without revealing my role but the town as usual wouldn't listen to logic. Once Caller revealed Jacks are 100% sane it kills any point of even playing anymore. The game is way too broken. but dt's and jacks have been 100% sane in all the past mafia games and nobody has complained about that. or is it the combination of sane jack + partially invincible roles like VI and NRA and Anarchist and RockStar?
not to mention mayor and pardonner are pretty much invincible and yet the game was never broken then
and what's to stop mafia from false roleclaiming NRA? or rockstar? One easy way is to let a generic mafia claim rockstar. But just sending a hit doesn't kill him could mean he's a lot of things, i.e. village idiot, protected by doc, etc. etc. etc. It can be very easy to make false roleclaims.
If you feel the game is so broken there's no point playing then fine. But keep in mind that I am game mod, and if the game does appear to be broken, I can modkill or modsilence, etc.
Besides, you're ignoring the fact that if someone does check the triggerhappy they still die and that's the end of that dt/jack, so you're already operating at a net disadvantage.
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I must say, I too, don't really like all the invulnerable/ambiguous roles...
I like zombies tho...
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On December 30 2008 12:13 chaoser wrote:
cause he's the village idiot think about it, you can't be killed and you just need to be lynched to "win". you could "win" or you could go crazy and fuck up the game from everyone else while laughing your ass off.
this is one possibility. or he could be mafia, either way, I've been against this odds thing (since last game) so I'mma sit this vote out and see where it goes from here. all these new roles/rules are adding in too much confusion.
And since Lucas wants me to say this: take everything with a grain of salt. I understand this is one way to move the game forward but it's very risky and I'm trying to understand why this way was taken instead of RS roleclaiming/his BGs fake roleclaiming and then a town network can be established. isn't that way A LOT safer?
What?
So Ace sent that in a PM to Ver. I have a feeling THAT plan is the plan Ver was going to use. Thank goodness for us, if Ace is indeed the Godfather, Ver has made it known he's amending or editting it in some way. If Ace is the Godfather, mafia's had an incredibly long time to find holes in it (and the first hole is the rock star needs to be known. SO MAKE YOURSELF KNOWN).
Ace is far more convincing as the godfather than he is as a "non-mafioso." The logic actually makes sense this time, but he could be the village idiot more than ever.
I'll just re-iterate what the "new man, clearly the mafia leader" says "You shouldn’t have vetoed the free wheelchairs bill"
Ace also says “don't blame me, you should've voted for me the first time.” That sounds similar to what the “new man” is saying. He's justifying his killing by Caller's vetoing the “free wheelchairs bill.” I don't understand how the iPod clue relates to him. Care to explain Ace?
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On December 30 2008 12:24 Mynock wrote:
I must say, I too, don't really like all the invulnerable/ambiguous roles...
I like zombies tho...
they're not even close to invulnerable
the triggerhappy should be pretty obvious who he is after someone checks him and dies, exposing him for hits, until then he doesn't even know who he is
the rockstar should be pretty obvious as well (they're roleclaiming) you can silence them, go after bodyguards, etc.
the vets have two lives each, which is not a lot
there are an uncertain number of mafia and therefore killing power
you don't have to kill everybody to win
i can make clues even more ambiguous if i want to
lalalalalalalala
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On December 30 2008 12:13 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2008 12:08 Ace wrote:On December 30 2008 12:04 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:On December 30 2008 11:52 Ace wrote:
actually I quit. I'd rather not play anymore.
Town lynch me please. I'm Godfather.
BTW if anyone wants to know the unbreakable strat, just PM me. if you're GF why would you choose to appear as red? or did you not send in to Caller what you wanted to appear as, RoL checked you before you could? or are you fucking with us? I was sleeping, I never got the chance to send him anything before I was surely checked. So I appeared green. Of course no one could know I was mafia so RoL jumped on a hunch - I tried to explain this to everyone even without revealing my role but the town as usual wouldn't listen to logic. Once Caller revealed Jacks are 100% sane it kills any point of even playing anymore. The game is way too broken. but dt's and jacks have been 100% sane in all the past mafia games and nobody has complained about that. or is it the combination of sane jack + partially invincible roles like VI and NRA and Anarchist and RockStar?
read my unbreakable strat. One or two mafia can deal with but have to lose members, but a sane jack is going to kill us :/
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Caller they are invincible, trust me on this.
Once the Rockstar role claim the game is over. Mafia can't fake role claim this game. That would be 100% lose.
Why can't anyone understand this :/
Mayor and Pardoner were never invincible because either or could be MAFIA. The Rockstar is 100% guaranteed townie AND there is only 1 of him which means there is no role clashing. Same with the NRA member.
Hence, mafia can't ever role claim without losing members. 3 townies can NOT be killed without the mafia losing members. So why are we bullshitting?
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On December 30 2008 12:33 Ace wrote:
Caller they are invincible, trust me on this.
Once the Rockstar role claim the game is over. Mafia can't fake role claim this game. That would be 100% lose.
Why can't anyone understand this :/
Mayor and Pardoner were never invincible because either or could be MAFIA. The Rockstar is 100% guaranteed townie AND there is only 1 of him which means there is no role clashing. Same with the NRA member.
Hence, mafia can't ever role claim without losing members. 3 townies can NOT be killed without the mafia losing members. So why are we bullshitting?
so would modkilling the rock star make you feel better
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how is that gonna help? :/
You might as well let the game go on, or restart and make sure no one is invincible. I posted about the town being overpowered in the first 10 pages and you made me mafia.
poetic justice yo?
T_T
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On December 30 2008 12:35 Ace wrote:
how is that gonna help? :/
You might as well let the game go on, or restart and make sure no one is invincible. I posted about the town being overpowered in the first 10 pages and you made me mafia.
poetic justice yo?
T_T
i dunno
and blame the random number generator that i used
game will go on but probably some administrative abuse will go on
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so uh is this game over already, shall we restart? this seems pretty retarded
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i say we play it out, if it's truly imba it will end quickly either way. i want to see what happens.
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Seeing as how we have claims of imba, and I am an idiot, I am offering a restart.
Poll: Restart Game with Nerfs?
(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): Caller fuck you for giving me townie
poll closes in 12 hours
in the mean time i'm making a new theme and roles
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some one needs to make a straight up mafia with no more whack ass roles/mayor stuff
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On December 30 2008 12:38 Caller wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2008 12:35 Ace wrote:
how is that gonna help? :/
You might as well let the game go on, or restart and make sure no one is invincible. I posted about the town being overpowered in the first 10 pages and you made me mafia.
poetic justice yo?
T_T i dunno and blame the random number generator that i used game will go on but probably some administrative abuse will go on
why don't we just restart then? not having a godfather is a good thing for us but i'd rather have a game where there isn't need for "administrative abuse"
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On December 30 2008 12:43 inertinept wrote:
some one needs to make a straight up mafia with no more whack ass roles/mayor stuff
we did that game 5
or do you mean just townies vs. mafia? because that takes the fun out of it T_T
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if you restart i suggest mafia 2 rules
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On December 30 2008 12:49 zeks wrote:
if you restart i suggest mafia 2 rules
Mafia 2 rules gives you a bunch of bored townies that didn't wind up in an inner circle and thus have nothing to do. This usually leads to inactivity.
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Please play it out. If mafia loses, it's because we played better. If they get destroyed, it's because we played better and the game may have been slightly imbalanced. If anything, the game is different and the mafia couldn't adapt whereas the town could.
Edit: Rock star isn't revealing himself. You don't need to kill the guy, he's not helping out at all.
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i was gone two hours and the game ended basically, wtf?
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On December 30 2008 13:00 LucasWoJ wrote:
Please play it out. If mafia loses, it's because we played better. If they get destroyed, it's because we played better and the game may have been slightly imbalanced. If anything, the game is different and the mafia couldn't adapt whereas the town could.
poo, and I just came up with a new theme and came up with 52 roles
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Restart! since this game has been comrpromised, and its not like we put a lot of time into it yet, and I'm almost at my 1000th post.... dunno if i want to waste it on mafia lol.
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Btw, mafia is being stupid right now if they're speaking in the manner I think they are. If the game doesn't done, they've basically given themselves away.
Actually, some already have given themselves away.
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Yes, restart it.
Honestly idc what your choice is.
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On December 30 2008 13:00 LucasWoJ wrote:
Please play it out. If mafia loses, it's because we played better. If they get destroyed, it's because we played better and the game may have been slightly imbalanced. If anything, the game is different and the mafia couldn't adapt whereas the town could.
Edit: Rock star isn't revealing himself. You don't need to kill the guy, he's not helping out at all.
didn't you read ace's posts + caller himself thinking it's kinda unbalanced. If we win it's not cause we played better, it's cause it was unbalanced. i don't want to waste a couple of days playing a game that we know we're going to win but is just being slowed down.
if anything, i'll be inactive
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No, it's because we played better. Saying anything else doesn't give us enough credit. It's "sore loserish" in fact. No excuses.
Is it that unbalanced that certain mafia are blatant and that everyone set their minds to planning the town's role in the game and no one wanted to plan the mafia? No, that's personal bias.
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Lets start again, what people have been saying etc etc
On December 30 2008 13:11 LucasWoJ wrote:
No, it's because we played better. Saying anything else doesn't give us enough credit. It's "sore loserish" in fact. No excuses.
Is it that unbalanced that certain mafia are blatant and that everyone set their minds to planning the town's role in the game and no one wanted to plan the mafia? No, that's personal bias.
Dont give us that shit, your mafia and thats the only reason that you want to keep playing
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How does that make any sense? I won't stoop down to your level and call you mafia, as I'm fairly sure you aren't. Based on the last two games however, I think that you're just immature and slow. (VI quality almost)
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On December 30 2008 13:25 LucasWoJ wrote:How does that make any sense? I won't stoop down to your level and call you mafia, as I'm fairly sure you aren't. Based on the last two games however, I think that you're just immature and slow. (VI quality almost)
Ok then why do most of the days clues point to you, your quote from your profile is from an artist who has an incredible memory because :o the artist that you have a quote from had an archive of everything he'd done
theres a bunch more clues but it dosent really matter at this point the games going to re
oh and what proof do you have that im slow?
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wait...if the game is imbalanced AGAINST mafia, why would the mafia want to still play on?
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Because next game it isn't likely they'll be mafia again.
I've been towny for three games in a row. It sux =(
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Just about anything could point towards. ANYTHING. Everyone look at my profile. I made it that way. But if I am mafia, the moderator could have some fun with the clues and wouldn't make it as obvious as they are right now.
Edit: Exactly which artist did I quote? And how does he have a photographic memory?
Yeah, it's pretty obvious I'm not mafia. That's the reason I want this to go on.
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In the meantime, here's what I've got planned for the next game, rolewise:
REVAMPED!
Townie: You are a townie! Or are you? For you have the power to cast your mind, speak your voice, and act as a human shield for the blues that act as your spear against the mafia! That, and you may be special.
Special Blues
Detective:
Clue Checks - infinite
Role Checks x 3
Double clue: In addition to your other abilities, you may ask me for an extra clue about one mafia per day, starting day 2, when they receive codenames. No more op listchecks!
You may also be insane! i.e. your rolechecks will come out backwards (blues stay the same).
Veterans:
You have two lives, but in addition, you will get a bonus clue about the person that attacked you (including the Smooth Criminal).
Paramedics:
You get a boost now! In addition to protecting random people from attacks/conversions, if the person that you are protecting gets attacked, you are a witness and gain a clue about them!
Boondock Saint:
Like the movie, you go around killing mobsters of your own volition. You gain two hits, usable at night 2 and onwards, one per night. But if you hit a mafia, and that mafia is the one assigned to you, you will get the first shot (i.e. if Tim kills Bob and Bob is assigned to kill Tim, Tim lives and Bob dies.)
Zombie:
You are a towny that has been cursed by Mynock the Necromancer! When you die, you wake up the next night and slay a random person of your choice!
Meth Dealer:
You are a meth dealer! You run a meth lab out in the woods, but it is very unsafe! A simple bullet spark could blow up you and anybody in the trailer! Any mafia or vigilante that attacks you dies in the ensuing explosion.
Vote Rigger:
You are a vote rigger! You have two oneshot powers. The first is you can, once only, force a double lynch (first and second place persons die). The second is that you may rig the votes as you see fit. You may only use one power per day.
Martyr:
You are the martyr! You may sacrifice yourself to save any person of your choice from anything, including the Suicide Bomber AND a lynch.
Jack:
You are a jack of all trades, master of none! You may pick a DT, Medic, Veteran, or Boondock’s ability for a day. No more than 4 abilities may be used at all.
Mafia:
Godfather: You appear to DTs as any role of your choice (you cannot change the role that you appear as after you PM to me). In addition, after Day 3, you may pm me the name of one person, and if they are not being watched they are inducted into mafia! (only 2 recruitments possible)
Suicide Bomber-Can suicide and kill someone and all medics protecting them. You do not give warning to the Veterans and may use your ability day or night!
Unscrupulous Doc-can protect one mafia from a night attack from Boondock Saint or Jack. Cannot protect against Meth dealer-in fact, he dies if protecting someone going to meth dealer. You are also limited to 5 uses before the AMA gets on your ass.
Silencer-prevents Ace (and other people) from talking. May not use power more than 5 times, consecutively on the same person, and before night 2
The Mole: Initially given townie role, but mafia is given his role as well. On Night 2, the mole receives his “Mole” role and mafia list.
Smooth Criminal: So smooth that there are no clues for him, just a codename! Double clue works on him though.
Village Idiot: His job is to get lynched. He wins if he gets lynched. He is not immune to nighttime attack and appears as a townie to checks.
Unknown amounts of mafia!
Unknown amounts of blues!
Unknown distribution of blue/red special roles!
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oh just play it out the town needs a good win
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SHUT UP LETS RESTART OK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111111111111111
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im actually using Michael Jackson as the theme hahahahahahahahahaha
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Vote Rigger:
You are a vote rigger! You have two oneshot powers. The first is you can, once only, force a double lynch (first and second place persons die). The second is that you may rig the votes as you see fit. You may only use one power per day.
lolwut. That looks very very imba to me.
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On December 30 2008 13:55 LaXerCannon wrote:Show nested quote +Vote Rigger:
You are a vote rigger! You have two oneshot powers. The first is you can, once only, force a double lynch (first and second place persons die). The second is that you may rig the votes as you see fit. You may only use one power per day. lolwut. That looks very very imba to me.
not really, its a oneshot thing.
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He can only do that once.
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I am the rockstar. But I guess it makes no difference now.
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There is a reason why I joined every single Mafia game thus far, but not this one.
The result was pretty obvious.
Good luck with round 2
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Will Restart Tomorrow, barring a sudden change in votes
2:00 KST roles will be sent out and the day1 post will be posted
Roles are as above, but they will be in a new thread:
Title: Caller's Mafia Wars: Return of the MJ
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On December 30 2008 14:17 Fishball wrote:There is a reason why I joined every single Mafia game thus far, but not this one. The result was pretty obvious. Good luck with round 2
hey it wasn't my writing style, it was the imba which hopefully will be fixed T_T
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You should make roles like the 12 knights of the round table for townies, Snow White and the 7 dorks for mafia.
Maybe use Santa Clause as Godfather + his reindeer minions?
Edit: and its not just your writing style. I also mentioned you guys, including BC liked to add roles that you guys "invented". The silencer was imba, and now yours as well.
When you guys "make up" a role, you should refine it and discuss with the general consensus first before implementing it. I really hate the fact that you guys just wanted to host because of the sudden adrenaline which makes you feel "I have all teh powa and can create any role I want" without further thinking.
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reveal mafia so we can know about your clue writing!
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hehe, I was suicide bomber.
I was going to blindly bomb ver tonight
I messaged caller, and then went crazy ^^
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On December 30 2008 14:21 ydg wrote:
reveal mafia so we can know about your clue writing!
no
by the way if you want to opt out of the new game, or to join the new game, please pm me asap
If you are in this game and plan to go to the next game there is no need to pm me your silence will work
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I have only a few things to say:
- yes the roles in this game lean heavily towards the Town as long as the medics protect the right people for once
- Good Day 1 post Caller.
- A restart with perhaps more people is in order.
I rolled Vig. It would have been nice with good medic protection, but considering I wanted to play it silent going into it without knowing my role, probably wouldn't have worked. I always have a big target on my head pft.
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in case you didn't know,
RebirthofLegend was the Village Idiot
lol
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Lol, Village Idiot "finding out" the Godfather.
Hilarious
I was a vig, firsrt time with a non-townie role, and here we go
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Roffles
Pitcairn19291 Posts
Damn, the amount of stuff that happens in 12 hours.
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I'm a medic =<. I wanted to be a medic. Why the heck would you act like that RoL >_>. You could've helped us.
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Since we are restarting can you post the list of peoples roles in this game just for shits and giggles?
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On December 30 2008 14:48 Kuja900 wrote:
Since we are restarting can you post the list of peoples roles in this game just for shits and giggles?
i'll post after the next game because i'm a dick like that and b/c it might give away my clue style
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We should have the masons.
Masons: A group of townies that know each other. (They're all innocent). They can have blue roles or can be regular greens.
Mason Recruiter: A member of the Masons. Each night he can recruit one person to join the masons. ...think mafia infiltration...
Its not invincible and can be compromised. Also none of the masons are invincible. The mole also cannot be a mason. Unless of course the mole is recruited to the masons.
And I think having an unknown number of mafia/blues takes out some of the strategy in the game. You can have variable mafia as long as you have a range like in this game. But blues should not be variable.
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Sydney2287 Posts
Curious, who was mafia that time round? (I"m assuming we're gonna restart?)
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On December 30 2008 14:33 Caller wrote:
in case you didn't know,
RebirthofLegend was the Village Idiot
lol
HAAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
That was the pimpest mafia play ever.
ROL > ACE
ROL you are IMBA!
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On December 30 2008 14:48 Caller wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2008 14:48 Kuja900 wrote:
Since we are restarting can you post the list of peoples roles in this game just for shits and giggles? i'll post after the next game because i'm a dick like that and b/c it might give away my clue style
could you tell us who someone like the mole was? ie a role that doesnt compromise the mafia as no day 1 post could link to them? Ie the one lucky townie
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Btw next game can DTs *not* roleclaim first day in the next game if one of the big players is mafia. It's just a bitch to deal with. If they're a big player let them try and run things for a while, at least until day 2 that way we can see who they're protecting etc etc.
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I wasn't the rockstar. But rockstar is imba. I was the rockstar bodyguard, which means I could have faked being the rockstar. We could confirm it by having the real rockstar and the other bodyguard pm some confirmed townie. Thus, if the mafia randomly targeted the real rockstar by luck, he wouldn't die. Also, nobody would think to target me since I'm the supposed rockstar. Since nobody would be able to prove I'm not the real rockstar, you'd have two invincible townies. Thus silencer = fail.
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On December 30 2008 14:20 Fishball wrote:
When you guys "make up" a role, you should refine it and discuss with the general consensus first before implementing it. I really hate the fact that you guys just wanted to host because of the sudden adrenaline which makes you feel "I have all teh powa and can create any role I want" without further thinking.
I agree with refining the ideas. I don't think you need to assume caller was 'thoughtless' he may have overlooked the power of a few roles.
I think no rolechecks should be allowed until day 2.
The last two games have gone down hill quickly with "DTS" jumping out of the woodwork right from the get go.
Maybe make DTs immune to a first night attack also and they get a clue. That way gayness doesn't ensue right from the get go.
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I was a green townie.....again......gay
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People I can give away
3 Lions = Mole
Triggerhappy = Ver (LOL EPIC WIN)
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Woot! This means I'm in right?
Heh, imagine a zombie converted by godfather....overkill!
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I was pyro.
I can't believe the game just ended like that =[
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On December 30 2008 15:31 Caller wrote:
People I can give away
3 Lions = Mole
Triggerhappy = Ver (LOL EPIC WIN)
if i said Martyr on Ver would I have gone kaboom?
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Hahah i was seriously considering protecting him cause i knew AttackZerg was up to no good
that would have been hilarious, but i woulda been pissed!
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Odd Game.
(I was a townie)
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On December 30 2008 14:50 Incognito wrote:
We should have the masons.
Masons: A group of townies that know each other. (They're all innocent). They can have blue roles or can be regular greens.
Mason Recruiter: A member of the Masons. Each night he can recruit one person to join the masons. ...think mafia infiltration...
Its not invincible and can be compromised. Also none of the masons are invincible. The mole also cannot be a mason. Unless of course the mole is recruited to the masons.
And I think having an unknown number of mafia/blues takes out some of the strategy in the game. You can have variable mafia as long as you have a range like in this game. But blues should not be variable.
Also the masons encourages activity because now townies who are useful can be let into the inner circle.
Trigger happy: The FIRST and ONLY first person who visits him is shot.
Friendly neighbor: Can visit someone each night for fun. May leave a message for the person he is visiting.
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On December 30 2008 15:45 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:
Hahah i was seriously considering protecting him cause i knew AttackZerg was up to no good
that would have been hilarious, but i woulda been pissed!
I was praying somebody would take that as a threat on him. I was hoping maybe 1-2 medics + ver
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seriously, stop trying to just run mafia games like that. You either run it fine without too much hazzle or dont run it at all
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How many mafia were there caller? Did you include all of there clues in the first clue post?
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Are you addressing caller?
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Green towny as usual, but I almost made it through a day without being linked to a clue!
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On December 30 2008 17:06 ShadowDrgn wrote:
Green towny as usual, but I almost made it through a day without being linked to a clue!
give it time man give it time
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On December 30 2008 14:48 nevake wrote:
I'm a medic =<. I wanted to be a medic. Why the heck would you act like that RoL >_>. You could've helped us.
The town was already overpowered, I didn't want to help us. Vers plan to use the VI in that gay ass manner would of been so fucked up and imba.
I chose to go this way, while still attempting to get myself lynched.
Oh, and Ace. Nothing personal buddy, I just chose you because I wanted to destabilize the town the most hahaha. Wow.
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ROL, I still can't believe how well you pulled that off, even our pms...... 5/5!
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Thanks AZ, I think I played my role pretty well.
I decided that I was going to create an unholy level of chaos for the town. I had no idea I would get the fucking GF with my pick. I just enjoy battling with Ace.
Come on, I had like all of you really convinced. So who was the RealJack? I thought it was hilarious that no one believed he was legit. That was so awesome.
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On December 30 2008 17:33 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Thanks AZ, I think I played my role pretty well.
I decided that I was going to create an unholy level of chaos for the town. I had no idea I would get the fucking GF with my pick. I just enjoy battling with Ace.
Come on, I had like all of you really convinced. So who was the RealJack? I thought it was hilarious that no one believed he was legit. That was so awesome.
Since I got a pm forwarded from Ace that said he was going to sleep or would be inactive at the start, and then you posted, I figured he didn't send in his 'role' to caller so you snuck a rolecheck on him.
Fucking brillaint imo.
Go back and read our posts. Between the two of us a game of mafia could be renamed 'anarchy' or 'armagedon' ... did you read up, I was going to blow up ver and the martyr was going to protect him LOL!
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lol oh man, AZ you really need to learn some self control You have a tendency to go completely ape shit in mafia games.
If you guys had an IRC channel, any chance I can have an idea of what was going on? That would be fucking epic.
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Oh, and I demand I get my MSPaint picture.
Or I will be pissed.
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This was more or less the breakdown.
Also since you're active let me breakdown the plan so you can tell everyone.
In this game, the town has a wicked advantage with Rockstar and NRA member. Unfortunately a Silencer and Suicide Bomber aren't even near enough to counter these 2 almost invincible townies. So we are going to have to abuse what little power we have.
As Godfather I have the power to change my identity. Sadly I went to sleep and went out and sleep again and not too long after Day 1 was posted and I woke up to a PM from Caller saying "I better pick now". Obviously way too late because I'm sure I was checked on Day 1. So if anyone checks me I flip townie. No matter what I can't be caught by a check. Also I'll never participate in Night Kills. There will never be a clue leading to me, and this is the only way I can possibly be invincible (+the doc).
So now here comes the basis of our plan. With my ability to recruit, and the silencer we will divide the town. As soon as I can I will recruit one of the either confirmed blue roles or one of the smarter townies, crippling the town.
Now how does this really help us? The one advantage we have over the town is that they DO NOT know how many mafia there are. This is always a priority - do not ever post mistakenly about mafia numbers. Ever. If you screw up it's almost surely you'll be lynched. This and the possibility of me staying invincible will be critical.
Next, remember when you play as mafia it's best to appear to help the town. Give no excuses to why you weren't around to help, just help. I won't be available for too much in the first few days of the game (or as much as I usually am). Even if they role check you, it makes them waste it up enough + the other role checks to confirm Rockstar that they can't catch all of you. Add this into recruiting mafia members and we can surely have some momentum.
As for clue analyzers - kill one or two of the terrible ones. The town may think they are on to something if we do this. I have more ideas but since I've barely had time to flesh them out this is as far as it goes for now. I'll try and keep in contact as best as I can.
I went ape-shit because I wasn't 100% sure you were legit, saving Ace for 1 day with big scene might change the course of the game, and I needed somebody to not believe me and protect Ver.
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On December 30 2008 17:33 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Thanks AZ, I think I played my role pretty well.
I decided that I was going to create an unholy level of chaos for the town. I had no idea I would get the fucking GF with my pick. I just enjoy battling with Ace.
Come on, I had like all of you really convinced. So who was the RealJack? I thought it was hilarious that no one believed he was legit. That was so awesome.
I never believed you as there was no way you could find me out. The whole "sane Jack" thing should have tipped any townie with common sense off that you could not be legit.
Then Caller answered that Jacks really are always sane, so I was like wtf forget it.That's just too much for mafia to deal with this game.
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Ace if he hadn' luck boxed you on day one, ... we could have won... I mean look at our roster, we had some pretty good players (ofc excluding myself)
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even with good players, mafia is a game where even one well played role can change the course of the game.
Incognito said he was the Rockstar, and he was active enough to really cause a headache down the road.
I mean, any time mafia have to lose a member on a potential kill is pretty horrible.
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On December 30 2008 15:31 Caller wrote:
People I can give away
3 Lions = Mole
Triggerhappy = Ver (LOL EPIC WIN)
Ahahahahaha
I hoped Caller wasn't so cruel as to make me green townie so I was either that or the mole. Lucky me!
And yes part of my later plan was to request martyr protection, although I definitely did not expect to be bombed day 1.
But yeah Ace and I both agreed that town was overpowered considerably.
As for roles:
Everyone is too excited to add in roles; we have a proven formula, and we shouldn't change the game so much at once. Some new logical stuff is fine; a ton of it is not.
-6 use Jack is EXTREMELY overpowered. Make it 3 or 4. I shouldn't even need to explain this.
-The medic speaking with dead is kind of questionable...? Vote rigger sounds hilarious and probably isn't that huge of a deal. Meth dealer/anarchist guy is fine. Making the mafia afraid to just auto kill blues is good. Zombie is fine. 2 life vet is good
-Silencer is...kinda questionable; 5 uses is a lot, but not doing it on the same person 2x is what's necessary. Not a huge deal.
-Caller's godfather is great (being able to choose your role) although I think recruitments should be limited to 1 or there should be some sacrifice. When I play with this IRL it's too overpowered even if the mafia has to sacrifice someone to get someone else to join them. Medics watching is still really questionable if there's two because it's SUCH a powerful move.
-Mole is a great idea.
-Smooth criminal is fine; clues shouldn't be that important anyways.
-Mafia Doc should have a limited number of uses, even if it's large like 4-5. It shouldn't be an auto-fire-dont-think-about-it-ability.
-VI is fine now
-Masons will make the game worse, sorry. There should not be confirmed innocents, period.
-I do like the insane cops though because then everyone will think twice about this 'oh I gotta inspect Ace/Ver first round and publically post it.' Frankly cops are always overpowered and make the game too black and white. Caller's change to them in terms of clues/no lists makes sense as well; I like.
Attackzerg had a good idea considering police too:
On December 30 2008 15:13 AttackZerg wrote:
I agree with refining the ideas. I don't think you need to assume caller was 'thoughtless' he may have overlooked the power of a few roles.
I think no rolechecks should be allowed until day 2.
The last two games have gone down hill quickly with "DTS" jumping out of the woodwork right from the get go.
Maybe make DTs immune to a first night attack also and they get a clue. That way gayness doesn't ensue right from the get go.
Man I didn't realize how much more I like being town than mafia. I feel so much stress when I'm mafia haha; doesn't fit the personality.
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lol, nothing you said would of changed my role claim and the way I spoke. Everything I said was virtually flawless logic, and when you came to support Ace it made me look better, you came off as mafia and I just let you guys destroy yourself. I wasn't even aiming for that, I was hoping to cripple the town by killing Ace, I was considering Ver as well, but chose to go with Ace. I didn't want to get lynched in a pussy way, or be the towns tool. So I chose to make as much chaos as I knew I could get away with.
I just want to point out a few things. I did NOT make a mistake of claiming DT first, then switching to Jack, I did it all on purpose. more or less for the reasons I said. I checked with Caller on the Jack being insane or not, then posted that I was the DT and checked Ace. I was not a mouthpiece at any point.
After I got Ace lynched which I knew was inevitable, I figured he would flip blue. I then was going to pretend that I had no idea about why that happened, and say I was just an ignorant towny who was being a mouthpiece, I was basically going to act exactly how Ace did in M3 after he got Folca killed. Keep trying to play it off, to avoid everyone realizing I was the VI.
Which I thought would throw off the town enough for the mafia to have a fighting chance :D The funny thing is, I kept laughing to myself, what if Ace was actually mafia? What would I do with the fucking town rallied behind me because I killed a prominent Mafia?
I didn't even consider Ace flipping GF and then everyone would be so fucking confused, I mean my role check wouldn't of worked, but a mafia was still dead? That wouldn't make any sense rofl.
For a while there, I thought I might of picked out the fucking rockstar T_T which was the only pick that would of fucked my lynch, along with the potential GF.
there was like a 3% chance that I would randomly pick either the GF or the RS. and I got the GF rofl, Ace I love you. It was nothing personal.
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Yea, the rockstar is an imba addition to the town. I vote to have BC run his revised version (possibly implementing some of caller's roles) instead.
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Actually RoL I called you as the VI, but it was like clazz and Lucas believing you too. I was like wtf is going on?
And I knew you couldn't be a mouthpiece so I kept trying to make you prove it. You're logic wasn't flawless
But yea that whole sane jack thing ripped me to shreds, when I realized it really WAS true after the PM with the "plan" I sent Ver I was like oh shit this game is gonna be over fast...
As for the roles, Caller had a good set of ideas but some just can't exist in the same game.
Insane/Sane cop is really all thats needed with the normal structure to make it fun. If the Jack uses his DT ability, he too doesn't know if he is sane or not. But DTs need to keep their normal role check and clue check ability. Godfather picking a blue role is kinda OP to me, as they'll always appear blue and can opt not to kill with no expense if you give them the ability to recruit members.
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I would have loved to see this played out if we lynched Ace and Ver got trigger happy with someone early on. The godfather dying along with Ver getting offed and an inactive rockstar might have balanced the game out.
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Umm... no we would have gotten horribly raped.
me + ace + 1 other mafia member who posted really really badly the entire time and made it obvious, at least to ver anyway.
-3 that early on, or maybe just 2, woulda been GG.
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On December 30 2008 18:23 AttackZerg wrote:
Umm... no we would have gotten horribly raped.
me + ace + 1 other mafia member who posted really really badly the entire time and made it obvious, at least to ver anyway.
-3 that early on, or maybe just 2, woulda been GG.
malongo gave himself up by instantly saying he was with ace.
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I looked at the overview for the new game.
Everything seems okay... minus the Medics' additional power. Talking to the dead is not really necessary. Have a witch or psychic or an actual necromancer role for that.
Village Idiot was kinda meh. But then again, this is the only game i've ever played with such a role and obviously the village idiot: RoL got the game going crazy.
And as a sidenote, I also agree with Bloodyc0bbler: Malongo said "follow ace and me" pretty much is a self-pwn.
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On December 30 2008 18:24 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2008 18:23 AttackZerg wrote:
Umm... no we would have gotten horribly raped.
me + ace + 1 other mafia member who posted really really badly the entire time and made it obvious, at least to ver anyway.
-3 that early on, or maybe just 2, woulda been GG. malongo gave himself up by instantly saying he was with ace.
Unfortunately even the tightest rope might have a weak thread =(.
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On December 30 2008 18:17 Ace wrote:Actually RoL I called you as the VI, but it was like clazz and Lucas believing you too. I was like wtf is going on? And I knew you couldn't be a mouthpiece so I kept trying to make you prove it. You're logic wasn't flawless But yea that whole sane jack thing ripped me to shreds, when I realized it really WAS true after the PM with the "plan" I sent Ver I was like oh shit this game is gonna be over fast... As for the roles, Caller had a good set of ideas but some just can't exist in the same game. Insane/Sane cop is really all thats needed with the normal structure to make it fun. If the Jack uses his DT ability, he too doesn't know if he is sane or not. But DTs need to keep their normal role check and clue check ability. Godfather picking a blue role is kinda OP to me, as they'll always appear blue and can opt not to kill with no expense if you give them the ability to recruit members.
Originally malongo's stupid post made me instantly suspect you even though RoL's move didn't quite match up properly either but the fact that you revealed that plan to me (something a bit more polished than what I had at that point) made me think you were a bit more likely innocent. I thought it was still a pretty strong plan even with insane jacks since I was pretty positive mafia wouldn't bother roleclaiming rockstar so we could still organize everything through him. Did you believe it had flaws at that point?
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Actually I wasn't kidding, that plan was seriously OP even without the sane Jack. With 1 Rockstar that means there can't be a clash of roles, because mafia would lose 1 person no matter what for it which isn't a good trade in a game like this. So the RS could all RC with no disadvantages.
about malongo: I don't know why he did it, maybe he panicked? But I mean I can't really blame him - drastic measures for such a crazy circumstance.
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just sucked for you ace, because no matter what you flipped, he gave himself up as a partner, and basically him sayin it made him a)rockstar or rockstar bodyguard or b)mafia that is honestly why myself and a few others started to believe you were rolechecked
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I've realized everytime you're townie BC I end up being almost killed on the first day.
2/2 so far
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On December 30 2008 18:17 Ace wrote:And I knew you couldn't be a mouthpiece so I kept trying to make you prove it. You're logic wasn't flawless But yea that whole sane jack thing ripped me to shreds, when I realized it really WAS true after the PM with the "plan" I sent Ver I was like oh shit this game is gonna be over fast... What was I supposed to prove? I couldn't prove anything. There was nothing to prove. I called the Jack, claimed to have checked you. The role claiming situation like that doesn't revolve around evidence. My proof layed with your dead body. I wasn't thinking long term and didn't need to prove that I was a Jack afterwords, I was going to just be retarded and claim Vet and say how Clazz used me as a mouthpiece, which no one would believe, but with the mafia doc, I figured I would be lynched anyway. So it didn't matter.
Insane/Sane cop is really all thats needed with the normal structure to make it fun. If the Jack uses his DT ability, he too doesn't know if he is sane or not. But DTs need to keep their normal role check and clue check ability. Godfather picking a blue role is kinda OP to me, as they'll always appear blue and can opt not to kill with no expense if you give them the ability to recruit members.
I don't see a way to implement an insane Jack though, I mean how are you supposed to decide if the single Jack is insane or not? Flip a coin? He changes roles to do whatever he needs to do.
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Rol thats what I mean, you couldn't prove that you were really a Jack...
Insane Jack means if he goes DT he doesn't know whether his results are sane or not.
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On December 30 2008 18:55 Ace wrote:I've realized everytime you're townie BC I end up being almost killed on the first day. 2/2 so far
so i should get you killed day one if i flip green again?
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Or its bad luck cause i get townie most of the time, =\
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But in other mafia games, a DT couldn't prove he was a DT either when he role claimed, so I don't see how that's a valid counter argument? We shouldn't kill a role calling blue, we should believe what he says if its a situation like this. That is kind of a given. Why kill the blue to prove hes innocent and then confirm his results? Just do what he says, and play it from there.
As I said before, there is no reason to try to prove anything, there is no way and no point whether I was telling the truth or not, and that is what role calling does. It builds trust around whatever is called.
and yes, I get the concept of him not knowing if his results are sane or not, but see what I mean in this situation.
Lets say me you and ver are made DTs by Caller, Caller decides that Ver is the insane DT. Everything he checks is corrupt. me and you would always be clean and have sane results. How would he decide whether the Jack is supposed to see what a sane or insane DT sees? Just flip a coin every time the Jack uses his DT power?
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But you don't know he is blue, which is the counter argument.
AttackZerg on Day 1 claims he is the DT and investigated Ver and says he is Mafia.
1.) AttackZerg is mafia.
A.) lynch Ver, he flips townie and you lynch AZ for lying.
B.) lynch Ver, find out he's mafia but know nothing of AZ's status.
C.) lynch AZ find out he's blue, and lynch Ver.
D.) lynch AZ, find out he's mafia and know nothing about Ver.
You'll notice that in 2 of those 4 instances - the outcome is very bad. Add in VI and the only thing that benefits the town 100% of the time is C. There is no ambiguity there.
Or let me put it to you this way:
2 kids run up to you, and one claims the other is a liar but that he himself always tells the truth. Which one would you deal with to know the truth?
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On December 30 2008 19:09 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Lets say me you and ver are made DTs by Caller, Caller decides that Ver is the insane DT. Everything he checks is corrupt. me and you would always be clean and have sane results. How would he decide whether the Jack is supposed to see what a sane or insane DT sees? Just flip a coin every time the Jack uses his DT power?
Before the game starts just decide? How hard is that?
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but how do you choose which? Flip a coin? Its too random. Maybe give him max 2 DT uses and tell him one will be corrupt? That way its sure. Rather than always sane, or always insane.
In your situations you leave out the mental aspect and behavior analysis that happens all of day one while the drama is going on. If something can't be decided, you can always just lynch someone else if it is too close to call. The chance of the mafia risking 2 players to gain infiltration and trust isn't high, both players involved in this scenario will probably be checked somewhere down the line.
and you talk about them like they are all equal valued roles, while the blue can be more valuable to the town if true, the blue can also check and do more things to prove he is genuine after the fact, if he can't hold up after his initial role claim, then you kill him.
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After this game and the previous ones I seriously think rolechecks should somehow be nerfed, perhaps not useable on the first day or only one use or something. But it must suck being Ace or Ver cause whenever you get mafia you know you are just going to get owned immediately cause you will always be rolechecked. Not being able to trust anyone, if only for one day makes it a lot more interesting as well imo. Ofcourse this gives more power to the mafia but they can be changed accordingly.
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Heh, my strategy would have worked here if the Town followed through with it. And I'm sure Ver agreed with me and we could have convinced the Town to wait a little. As I said, we had to wait and see if RoL could prove himself. On the following night he wouldn't be able to do anything for his proof and we'd find out he's a liar. At the same time Martyr dies from Ver, Ver is killed by AZ, VI is lynched the next day. We could have played this out you guys...
I think you gave this up too soon Ace, we had our chances with the inactive RS, and the VI not wanting to help the Town.
But malongo fucked us up there, nothing to say about that
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Damnit, I was a DT!
My plan was to just rolecheck the person getting lynched to find out if I was sane or not, then go from there.
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I didnt have time to write a post before this was over...
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On December 30 2008 18:17 Ace wrote:
Actually RoL I called you as the VI, but it was like clazz and Lucas believing you too. I was like wtf is going on?
It was your posting, haha. It just seemed like you were putting on a show for everyone, though, I was utterly surprised when you said you were the Godfather.
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On December 30 2008 17:46 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Oh, and I demand I get my MSPaint picture.
Or I will be pissed.
i was a single green and took me 3 post to find out, and btw clazziquai:
i dont know if ace was shit i wasnt defending him i just was pointing that going with RoL was the worst thing for the town. I repeat the question: Who the fuck could play a Jack like that??
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i was medic again
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On December 30 2008 23:02 LucasWoJ wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2008 18:17 Ace wrote:
Actually RoL I called you as the VI, but it was like clazz and Lucas believing you too. I was like wtf is going on?
It was your posting, haha. It just seemed like you were putting on a show for everyone, though, I was utterly surprised when you said you were the Godfather.
I wasn't. I was going to go after Ace the first chance I got (that's if I made it to the 2nd round) -_-
My impulses were going haywire.
Berserker for the WIN!
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Fun fact. The real jack Rolechecked Ver and then retracted it before Day 1 started.
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Happy bday LTT!
edit: btw i was mafia.
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On December 30 2008 21:22 Mynock wrote:Heh, my strategy would have worked here if the Town followed through with it. And I'm sure Ver agreed with me and we could have convinced the Town to wait a little. As I said, we had to wait and see if RoL could prove himself. On the following night he wouldn't be able to do anything for his proof and we'd find out he's a liar. At the same time Martyr dies from Ver, Ver is killed by AZ, VI is lynched the next day. We could have played this out you guys... I think you gave this up too soon Ace, we had our chances with the inactive RS, and the VI not wanting to help the Town. But malongo fucked us up there, nothing to say about that
shit thats the best i could came at that moment and mafia was pretty much diconnected (i never recieved a plan or something).
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