EPTTL Mafia V: The Town Strikes Back - Page 19
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Incognito
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LucasWoJ
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Incognito
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On December 30 2008 06:41 nevake wrote: The medics are not very coordinated yet. There's still some risk that they all think that the others will protect you (like the medics did last game to camlito). Also, I'm pretty sure they can send a hit then a convert right after if they want. Regardless, using a Jack as the centerpiece of a town network is just asking for fail, especially since it requires the medics to waste energy all game babysitting you. Also, if you're the jack, you had no need to reveal Ace as mafia and roleclaim, you should have just waited and vigi killed him or waiting until you could find a mouthpiece instead of risking yourself. Which is why we don't use the jack as the centerpiece for the town network. We use him to confirm the ID of the rockstar, then we use the rockstar as the center. We also have to compartmentalize and release information in sections in case someone with the information gets converted. So whoever the rockstar is don't come out until we can confirm the jack or some other role. Revealing is not risking yourself. If he didn't do that the town would have nobody to go to. The jack is the only reasonable place we can start, especially since DTs can be insane. | ||
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Incognito
United States2071 Posts
On December 30 2008 06:45 LucasWoJ wrote: Why would he be that? That thought has passed through my head, but it just doesn't, ultimately, make any sense to do that if you're the village idiot. We'll just vigi kill him the next night if Ace isn't mafia. No we lynch him. Because if he's mafia then the doc protects him. And the village idiot is immune to night killing. | ||
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RebirthOfLeGenD
USA5860 Posts
On December 30 2008 06:41 nevake wrote: The medics are not very coordinated yet. There's still some risk that they all think that the others will protect you (like the medics did last game to camlito). Also, I'm pretty sure they can send a hit then a convert right after if they want. Regardless, using a Jack as the centerpiece of a town network is just asking for fail, especially since it requires the medics to waste energy all game babysitting you. Also, if you're the jack, you had no need to reveal Ace as mafia and roleclaim, you should have just waited and vigi killed him or waiting until you could find a mouthpiece instead of risking yourself. I agree the medics babysitting me isn't good. When Ace pops red we can have them PM me if you want. I am sure a DT will check me by then. and if the DT does, then he can PM me and I will alert the town to be being checked and that I am safe. However, I disagree with your second point. When the mafia is strong like they are now, then we need STRONG organization as fast as possible. Hence my role claim making sense. | ||
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ShadowDrgn
United States2497 Posts
On December 30 2008 06:41 nevake wrote: Also, if you're the jack, you had no need to reveal Ace as mafia and roleclaim, you should have just waited and vigi killed him or waiting until you could find a mouthpiece instead of risking yourself. That's a great argument for RoL lying. He certainly could be the village idiot too. | ||
mikeymoo
Canada7170 Posts
If RoL was targeted and died, everyone would be like "wtf why didn't you post your findings?!?" He can't use another role until day/night 2. I think it was a small error in foresight- something that will change the dynamic of the game but still be in the town's favour. | ||
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Qatol
United States3165 Posts
On December 30 2008 06:42 Incognito wrote: What if RoL is the village idiot? Interesting idea. This is actually an amazing strategy for the idiot to use. Regardless, I also would like to see how Ace decides to defend himself before I vote. | ||
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RebirthOfLeGenD
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mikeymoo
Canada7170 Posts
On December 30 2008 06:47 ShadowDrgn wrote: That's a great argument for RoL lying. He certainly could be the village idiot too. This has its merits as well, I should mention. | ||
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Incognito
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RebirthOfLeGenD
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Also for those who didn't see it before However, I disagree with your second point. When the mafia is strong like they are now, then we need STRONG organization as fast as possible. Hence my role claim making sense. And those who have seen me play mafia, I like to work behind the scenes, I don't like the spotlight. | ||
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Incognito
United States2071 Posts
On December 30 2008 06:55 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: And those who have seen me play mafia, I like to work behind the scenes, I don't like the spotlight. ...so why come out in the spotlight now? | ||
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LucasWoJ
United States936 Posts
On December 30 2008 06:46 Incognito wrote: No we lynch him. Because if he's mafia then the doc protects him. And the village idiot is immune to night killing. Oh snap. You're completely right. I completely forgot this game included the mafia doc. | ||
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AttackZerg
United States7475 Posts
On December 30 2008 06:38 ShadowDrgn wrote: I called this at the end of the last mafia game. Role checks are incredibly lame to the most active players. Another possibility is that RoL and Ace are BOTH mafia and RoL is hoping to gain the town's trust by throwing Ace under a bus. However, with only 1 jack in the game, his fake claim wouldn't hold up for long. Or perhaps RoL is actually a detective and is just hoping that he isn't really insane... I hate to screw Ace again, but I'd rather do it than lynch someone on shaky clues. This guy is assuming the rebirth and ace are using the strategy that Ace got accused of last game. After being a teamate with ROL, I am sure that he isnt' the brightest bulb. So either he is A) trying to get the town to kill one of our most powerfull assets or B) he is a DT/jack and is a moron or C) he is a DT/jack and is willing to die early, if the medics don't believe him. My gut tells me if he is a jack he did something like 'Check ver, ver is blue/green, ok then logic says Ace is red'. If everybody agrees that Ace is red then of course I'll vote him. I just am not super pr0ne to trust anybody. Last game we (mafia) mind fucked the town constantly, this would be a big mindfuck esp if Ver is red.... na mean? | ||
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ketomai
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RebirthOfLeGenD
USA5860 Posts
On December 30 2008 06:57 Incognito wrote: ...so why come out in the spotlight now? Times and circumstances call for it sometimes. I know I am capable of being a strong leader, I just prefer to sit in the back seat, rather than driving. More room to spread your legs, if you know what I mean. But the town needs organization early on and this seems like a good way to get it started, the mafia is extremely strong with the mafia doc being introduced. We need organization fast and accurate to be able to centralize the town and create a circle. I am a paranoid person by nature, I don't blindly trust people. No one who has PMed me so far has my complete trust or faith in their role. When I get an army of DTs and Vigi's we will see what we can do, isolated vigis are bad in this case, because the mafia can predict who we are going to hit and respond to that with mafia doc. We don't have the luxury of double hitting like they do, so we need to make sure we can deceive the mafia into knowing who we are going to hit. and hit someone else. Which means you need a behind the scenes crew organizing it all. Which needs to be established ASAP. Which can only be done the way I am doing it. Unless of course Ace flipped green/blue for me. Then I would work from there, hope the RockStar came out and role claimed then we had a nice person to organize around. This did not happen, so here we are. | ||
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RebirthOfLeGenD
USA5860 Posts
On December 30 2008 07:01 nevake wrote: It's true we need organization, but we haven't confirmed enough things to start one anyways. Even if Ace flips red, like I mentioned before, there's a possibility that you are the godfather, even if it is small. There's also a huge risk that you will be converted later in the game, so we can't use you for too much. What we really needed was the rockstar to come out and tell us who he is and then you checking the rockstar and using him as your mouthpiece. err, I wrote my post before I read this. But yes, as I said. This would be ideal with the rockstar, but it didn't seem to happening, so I took the initiative. | ||
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ketomai
United States2789 Posts
On December 30 2008 07:06 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: Times and circumstances call for it sometimes. I know I am capable of being a strong leader, I just prefer to sit in the back seat, rather than driving. More room to spread your legs, if you know what I mean. But the town needs organization early on and this seems like a good way to get it started, the mafia is extremely strong with the mafia doc being introduced. We need organization fast and accurate to be able to centralize the town and create a circle. I am a paranoid person by nature, I don't blindly trust people. No one who has PMed me so far has my complete trust or faith in their role. When I get an army of DTs and Vigi's we will see what we can do, isolated vigis are bad in this case, because the mafia can predict who we are going to hit and respond to that with mafia doc. We don't have the luxury of double hitting like they do, so we need to make sure we can deceive the mafia into knowing who we are going to hit. and hit someone else. Which means you need a behind the scenes crew organizing it all. Which needs to be established ASAP. Which can only be done the way I am doing it. Unless of course Ace flipped green/blue for me. Then I would work from there, hope the RockStar came out and role claimed then we had a nice person to organize around. This did not happen, so here we are. I'll repeat myself: We can't give you an army of DT's and vigis because you already revealed yourself as Jack. If you are a real Jack, you will more likely than not be converted later in the game, and then the mafia has a complete list. ROCKSTAR REVEAL YOURSELF. | ||
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RebirthOfLeGenD
USA5860 Posts
So the medic babysitting is required, regardless of who you choose as a figurehead, the difference is the rockstar is safe from hits without the medic, and I am not. No one can be converted until day 3 anyway, so we will go on from there afterwards. The con to me being the centerpiece as opposed to the Rockstar is basically that the rockstar won't need protection for the first 3 days, and I will. The chance of conversion is equal when we are both made public. | ||
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