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Ver
Profile Joined October 2008
United States2186 Posts
December 29 2008 20:38 GMT
#321
Regardless of RoL being a jack or not, the Rock Star should reveal themselves ASAP.

You have no reason to hide it and you can aid the town immensely as a guaranteed and invincible townie.
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clazziquai
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
6685 Posts
December 29 2008 20:40 GMT
#322
But how will we know that person is a rockstar?
And why is More_Minerals accusing me because of iPod?

Sure, clazziquai is a korean music group but it's like the same thing as to the coffee clue = decaf.

Oh well!
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Ver
Profile Joined October 2008
United States2186 Posts
December 29 2008 20:46 GMT
#323
More minerals is useless and acts like a traitor every game; ignore him.

We will know depending on how the mafia react. If they want to impersonate they will sacrifice a member for each rock star member + bg that is revealed. I'd say the rockstar is worth 3 mafia right off the start.

If they don't impersonate and nobody counters his claim then bam we have a guaranteed and invincible innocent to send roles to.

It would also be good if the village idiot would come forth so we can arrange a deal. Your cooperation for a couple days in exchange for a lynch. Sounds good? This means that the mafia cannot kill either you or the rock star, they can only silence one, (starting day 2 so we have time); and you get your desired lynch.

And Scaramanga behavior analysis is far better than clues and lynching off day 1 clues will not be done.

I will have a bigger/more in depth post coming in a little while. We must act fast before the mafia have time to fully mobilize and form their strategies. Coming from the lead planner last game I know that they can't just enact their plans in the first hour and be ready to go. If anything I think that's why RoL is likely telling the truth (lack of time for a detailed strategy) although I'm not 100% convinced and there may be a better way to go about it.
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RebirthOfLeGenD
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
USA5860 Posts
December 29 2008 20:46 GMT
#324
Alright, I am responding to a lot of PMs right now, but I am going to summarize everything in one post. All my justifications and everything. I am about to go to the gym so I won't be back for a little while.

So I got the Jack role, and decided that I would check either Ace or some other person whome I like to work with. I chose Ace because I figured it would be a good chance that he was on my team this game and that he wasn't the godfather. So I role checked him as the Jack, using my power. He appeared as Mafia.

Now I was faced with a decision, I had to use someone as a mouth piece, whome I couldn't possibly know the identity of, or I could role claim.

If I were to use a mouthpiece, I risk exposing myself to someone, then just getting killed by the mafia if they were mafia. That is not good at all.

Then there was Role claiming, I chose to role claim a DT for the following reasons. If I role claimed a DT I saw that some people might think I am an idiot due to the insane DT clause, I hoped it would come a while after, unfortunately it happened a single post after mine. The reason I lied is because the mafia will doubtfully try to suicide just a DT. A Jack however is a much better target to Suicide against, there is only one and it is the strongest town role. So I wanted to try to hide among the DTs to avoid the nuke.

That is why I lied, I figured when I was called out I would just reveal that I was actually the Jack, but that the mafia wouldn't try to bomb me.

Now to explain why I believe role calling was a good idea as opposed to just the blind trust. Blind trust means you expose yourself who has approx 1/4 chance of being a mafia, that is a stupid thing to do its risky, and odds are on your side. but then you are putting your blind faith in statistics, It worked last game, I chose not to test it this game. When someone role claims they are NOT committing suicide. When a role claim is proven true, with proper use of medics/martyrs you can establish a town web. Its not a behind the scenes one though, its a public town web. This is more or less what they did last game, however the medics were dumb and this hinges off medic activity/medics being smart. This game inactive players were barred, so this logic is MUCH better than it was last game.
When my Ace = Mafia claim is proven true, I am not a trusted town, more or less anyway. If not, I get Vigi'd. Simple enough, yes? If I am lying about Ace then the medics and martyrs won't protect me and the Vigilantes will kill me and there hits do not overlap.

Doing this as mafia makes little to no sense, there are virtually no benefits since if I was mafia I would be killing Ace just because he is Ace, having no idea what is role actually is. If Ace is a towny, even with his cute little brain, it doesn't justify sacrificing one of the mafia.

That is my logic. When we Lynch Ace we have the entire night to assign medics and martyrs.
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clazziquai
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
6685 Posts
December 29 2008 20:50 GMT
#325
Hey guys do you want me to do the profile-linking thread? :p
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Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
December 29 2008 20:51 GMT
#326
On December 30 2008 05:50 clazziquai wrote:
Hey guys do you want me to do the profile-linking thread? :p

do it, going through profiles is a bitch
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clazziquai
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
6685 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-12-29 20:53:17
December 29 2008 20:51 GMT
#327
ill do it later actually lol
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RealJack
Profile Joined December 2008
3 Posts
December 29 2008 20:57 GMT
#328
This is the Jack. RebirthOfLegend is an idiot lol. He is not a jack.
LucasWoJ
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States936 Posts
December 29 2008 20:59 GMT
#329
On December 30 2008 05:57 RealJack wrote:
This is the Jack. RebirthOfLegend is an idiot lol. He is not a jack.



Assuming this is the mafia. I guess someone has a sense of humor, just like the smirking new guy, eh?
"Of all the words of mice and men, the saddest are it could have been." - Kurt Vonnegut
clazziquai
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
6685 Posts
December 29 2008 20:59 GMT
#330
On December 30 2008 05:57 RealJack wrote:
This is the Jack. RebirthOfLegend is an idiot lol. He is not a jack.


LOL, gtfo.
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RebirthOfLeGenD
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
USA5860 Posts
December 29 2008 21:05 GMT
#331
On December 30 2008 05:57 RealJack wrote:
This is the Jack. RebirthOfLegend is an idiot lol. He is not a jack.

lol right, I am the idiot.
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ydg
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States690 Posts
December 29 2008 21:08 GMT
#332
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=84982
stupid artanis your name screws up the coding
and who's open supposed to be?
The only courage that matters is the kind that gets you from one moment to the next.
RealJack
Profile Joined December 2008
3 Posts
December 29 2008 21:08 GMT
#333
On December 30 2008 05:59 LucasWoJ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 30 2008 05:57 RealJack wrote:
This is the Jack. RebirthOfLegend is an idiot lol. He is not a jack.



Assuming this is the mafia. I guess someone has a sense of humor, just like the smirking new guy, eh?


Or maybe I am the jack and RebirthoofLegend is messing with you lol? I can prove I am the Jack. I haven't used my abilities yet. If you can think of a test for me (rolecheck on someone) I can pass it. Rebirth can't.
BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7876 Posts
December 29 2008 21:09 GMT
#334
On December 30 2008 06:08 RealJack wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 30 2008 05:59 LucasWoJ wrote:
On December 30 2008 05:57 RealJack wrote:
This is the Jack. RebirthOfLegend is an idiot lol. He is not a jack.



Assuming this is the mafia. I guess someone has a sense of humor, just like the smirking new guy, eh?


Or maybe I am the jack and RebirthoofLegend is messing with you lol? I can prove I am the Jack. I haven't used my abilities yet. If you can think of a test for me (rolecheck on someone) I can pass it. Rebirth can't.


Rolecheck ace ;p
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Incognito
Profile Joined November 2008
United States2071 Posts
December 29 2008 21:10 GMT
#335
The OP was updated.

6.KH1031
The bureaucracy is expanding to meet the needs of the expanding bureaucracy
Incognito
Profile Joined November 2008
United States2071 Posts
December 29 2008 21:11 GMT
#336
I also like how RealJack is not even playing the game and signed up for a TL account on the 30th, which is today. Please don't post in the thread if you're not in the game.
The bureaucracy is expanding to meet the needs of the expanding bureaucracy
clazziquai
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
6685 Posts
December 29 2008 21:11 GMT
#337
On December 30 2008 06:08 ydg wrote:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=84982
stupid artanis your name screws up the coding
and who's open supposed to be?


for artanis u could have typed in

Artanis[xp]

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RebirthOfLeGenD
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
USA5860 Posts
December 29 2008 21:12 GMT
#338
hmm, if you are the real Jack then you should Vigi Ace for me, since I already used my ability once so far.

that is your test. Succeed please. Also, the proof that I am the Jack is right there with Ace being lynched. So bring it on Mr.RealJack.

Also, please present the reasoning and logic behind me faking being the Jack?
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ydg
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States690 Posts
December 29 2008 21:12 GMT
#339
kk i updated it. time to do clue analysis
The only courage that matters is the kind that gets you from one moment to the next.
mikeymoo
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada7170 Posts
December 29 2008 21:12 GMT
#340
I trust RoL. For now.

I was Jack in mafia 3, and my thinking in that game was almost exactly the same as his thinking is now. Congrats to him if he can pull some double-reverse psychology garbage, but I think it is far too risky in a game with both people who are intelligent (the types of people who can read things as reverse psychology) and unintelligent (people who take everything at face value). He is NOT sacrificing himself a la Folca. He is smart enough to have a plan if Ace flips red, although it doesn't indicate his legitimacy.

My sole problem is that if Ace flips otherwise and we figure out RoL is mafia, they have a medic that can protect him from vigi hits. Not cool. Hence, I will abstain for now, even though I lean more towards trusting RoL.
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