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BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7876 Posts
December 30 2008 10:05 GMT
#601
Or its bad luck cause i get townie most of the time, =\
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RebirthOfLeGenD
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
USA5860 Posts
December 30 2008 10:09 GMT
#602
But in other mafia games, a DT couldn't prove he was a DT either when he role claimed, so I don't see how that's a valid counter argument? We shouldn't kill a role calling blue, we should believe what he says if its a situation like this. That is kind of a given. Why kill the blue to prove hes innocent and then confirm his results? Just do what he says, and play it from there.

As I said before, there is no reason to try to prove anything, there is no way and no point whether I was telling the truth or not, and that is what role calling does. It builds trust around whatever is called.

and yes, I get the concept of him not knowing if his results are sane or not, but see what I mean in this situation.

Lets say me you and ver are made DTs by Caller, Caller decides that Ver is the insane DT. Everything he checks is corrupt. me and you would always be clean and have sane results. How would he decide whether the Jack is supposed to see what a sane or insane DT sees? Just flip a coin every time the Jack uses his DT power?
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Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
December 30 2008 10:18 GMT
#603
But you don't know he is blue, which is the counter argument.

AttackZerg on Day 1 claims he is the DT and investigated Ver and says he is Mafia.

1.) AttackZerg is mafia.

A.) lynch Ver, he flips townie and you lynch AZ for lying.
B.) lynch Ver, find out he's mafia but know nothing of AZ's status.
C.) lynch AZ find out he's blue, and lynch Ver.
D.) lynch AZ, find out he's mafia and know nothing about Ver.

You'll notice that in 2 of those 4 instances - the outcome is very bad. Add in VI and the only thing that benefits the town 100% of the time is C. There is no ambiguity there.

Or let me put it to you this way:

2 kids run up to you, and one claims the other is a liar but that he himself always tells the truth. Which one would you deal with to know the truth?
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
December 30 2008 10:19 GMT
#604
On December 30 2008 19:09 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:

Lets say me you and ver are made DTs by Caller, Caller decides that Ver is the insane DT. Everything he checks is corrupt. me and you would always be clean and have sane results. How would he decide whether the Jack is supposed to see what a sane or insane DT sees? Just flip a coin every time the Jack uses his DT power?


Before the game starts just decide? How hard is that?
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
RebirthOfLeGenD
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
USA5860 Posts
December 30 2008 10:40 GMT
#605
but how do you choose which? Flip a coin? Its too random. Maybe give him max 2 DT uses and tell him one will be corrupt? That way its sure. Rather than always sane, or always insane.

In your situations you leave out the mental aspect and behavior analysis that happens all of day one while the drama is going on. If something can't be decided, you can always just lynch someone else if it is too close to call. The chance of the mafia risking 2 players to gain infiltration and trust isn't high, both players involved in this scenario will probably be checked somewhere down the line.

and you talk about them like they are all equal valued roles, while the blue can be more valuable to the town if true, the blue can also check and do more things to prove he is genuine after the fact, if he can't hold up after his initial role claim, then you kill him.
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Lenwe
Profile Joined March 2008
Netherlands757 Posts
December 30 2008 11:24 GMT
#606
After this game and the previous ones I seriously think rolechecks should somehow be nerfed, perhaps not useable on the first day or only one use or something. But it must suck being Ace or Ver cause whenever you get mafia you know you are just going to get owned immediately cause you will always be rolechecked. Not being able to trust anyone, if only for one day makes it a lot more interesting as well imo. Ofcourse this gives more power to the mafia but they can be changed accordingly.
Latham
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
9566 Posts
December 30 2008 11:58 GMT
#607
I was a veteran ;]
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Mynock
Profile Joined September 2002
4492 Posts
December 30 2008 12:22 GMT
#608
Heh, my strategy would have worked here if the Town followed through with it. And I'm sure Ver agreed with me and we could have convinced the Town to wait a little. As I said, we had to wait and see if RoL could prove himself. On the following night he wouldn't be able to do anything for his proof and we'd find out he's a liar. At the same time Martyr dies from Ver, Ver is killed by AZ, VI is lynched the next day. We could have played this out you guys...

I think you gave this up too soon Ace, we had our chances with the inactive RS, and the VI not wanting to help the Town.

But malongo fucked us up there, nothing to say about that
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12968 Posts
December 30 2008 12:51 GMT
#609
Damnit, I was a DT!

My plan was to just rolecheck the person getting lynched to find out if I was sane or not, then go from there.
lakrismamma
Profile Joined August 2006
Sweden543 Posts
December 30 2008 13:36 GMT
#610
I didnt have time to write a post before this was over...
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LucasWoJ
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States936 Posts
December 30 2008 14:02 GMT
#611
On December 30 2008 18:17 Ace wrote:
Actually RoL I called you as the VI, but it was like clazz and Lucas believing you too. I was like wtf is going on?



It was your posting, haha. It just seemed like you were putting on a show for everyone, though, I was utterly surprised when you said you were the Godfather.
"Of all the words of mice and men, the saddest are it could have been." - Kurt Vonnegut
Malongo
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Chile3472 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-12-30 14:25:52
December 30 2008 14:19 GMT
#612
On December 30 2008 17:46 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Oh, and I demand I get my MSPaint picture.
Or I will be pissed.


i was a single green and took me 3 post to find out, and btw clazziquai:
i dont know if ace was shit i wasnt defending him i just was pointing that going with RoL was the worst thing for the town. I repeat the question: Who the fuck could play a Jack like that??
Help me! im still improving my English. An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind. M. G.
zeks
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Canada1068 Posts
December 30 2008 14:53 GMT
#613
i was medic again
"Two roads diverged in a wood, and I-- I took the one less traveled by, And that has made all the difference."
Showtime!
Profile Joined November 2007
Canada2938 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-12-30 15:00:27
December 30 2008 14:56 GMT
#614
On December 30 2008 23:02 LucasWoJ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 30 2008 18:17 Ace wrote:
Actually RoL I called you as the VI, but it was like clazz and Lucas believing you too. I was like wtf is going on?



It was your posting, haha. It just seemed like you were putting on a show for everyone, though, I was utterly surprised when you said you were the Godfather.


I wasn't. I was going to go after Ace the first chance I got (that's if I made it to the 2nd round) -_-

My impulses were going haywire.

Berserker for the WIN!
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LTT
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Shakuras1095 Posts
December 30 2008 15:11 GMT
#615
Fun fact. The real jack Rolechecked Ver and then retracted it before Day 1 started.
Camlito
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
Australia4040 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-12-30 16:26:12
December 30 2008 16:13 GMT
#616
Happy bday LTT!

edit: btw i was mafia.
sAviOr...
Malongo
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Chile3472 Posts
December 30 2008 17:12 GMT
#617
On December 30 2008 21:22 Mynock wrote:
Heh, my strategy would have worked here if the Town followed through with it. And I'm sure Ver agreed with me and we could have convinced the Town to wait a little. As I said, we had to wait and see if RoL could prove himself. On the following night he wouldn't be able to do anything for his proof and we'd find out he's a liar. At the same time Martyr dies from Ver, Ver is killed by AZ, VI is lynched the next day. We could have played this out you guys...

I think you gave this up too soon Ace, we had our chances with the inactive RS, and the VI not wanting to help the Town.

But malongo fucked us up there, nothing to say about that

shit thats the best i could came at that moment and mafia was pretty much diconnected (i never recieved a plan or something).
Help me! im still improving my English. An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind. M. G.
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