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This was more or less the breakdown.
Also since you're active let me breakdown the plan so you can tell everyone.
In this game, the town has a wicked advantage with Rockstar and NRA member. Unfortunately a Silencer and Suicide Bomber aren't even near enough to counter these 2 almost invincible townies. So we are going to have to abuse what little power we have.
As Godfather I have the power to change my identity. Sadly I went to sleep and went out and sleep again and not too long after Day 1 was posted and I woke up to a PM from Caller saying "I better pick now". Obviously way too late because I'm sure I was checked on Day 1. So if anyone checks me I flip townie. No matter what I can't be caught by a check. Also I'll never participate in Night Kills. There will never be a clue leading to me, and this is the only way I can possibly be invincible (+the doc).
So now here comes the basis of our plan. With my ability to recruit, and the silencer we will divide the town. As soon as I can I will recruit one of the either confirmed blue roles or one of the smarter townies, crippling the town.
Now how does this really help us? The one advantage we have over the town is that they DO NOT know how many mafia there are. This is always a priority - do not ever post mistakenly about mafia numbers. Ever. If you screw up it's almost surely you'll be lynched. This and the possibility of me staying invincible will be critical.
Next, remember when you play as mafia it's best to appear to help the town. Give no excuses to why you weren't around to help, just help. I won't be available for too much in the first few days of the game (or as much as I usually am). Even if they role check you, it makes them waste it up enough + the other role checks to confirm Rockstar that they can't catch all of you. Add this into recruiting mafia members and we can surely have some momentum.
As for clue analyzers - kill one or two of the terrible ones. The town may think they are on to something if we do this. I have more ideas but since I've barely had time to flesh them out this is as far as it goes for now. I'll try and keep in contact as best as I can.
I went ape-shit because I wasn't 100% sure you were legit, saving Ace for 1 day with big scene might change the course of the game, and I needed somebody to not believe me and protect Ver. 
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On December 30 2008 17:33 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Thanks AZ, I think I played my role pretty well.
I decided that I was going to create an unholy level of chaos for the town. I had no idea I would get the fucking GF with my pick. I just enjoy battling with Ace.
Come on, I had like all of you really convinced. So who was the RealJack? I thought it was hilarious that no one believed he was legit. That was so awesome.
I never believed you as there was no way you could find me out. The whole "sane Jack" thing should have tipped any townie with common sense off that you could not be legit.
Then Caller answered that Jacks really are always sane, so I was like wtf forget it.That's just too much for mafia to deal with this game.
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Ace if he hadn' luck boxed you on day one, ... we could have won... I mean look at our roster, we had some pretty good players (ofc excluding myself)
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even with good players, mafia is a game where even one well played role can change the course of the game.
Incognito said he was the Rockstar, and he was active enough to really cause a headache down the road.
I mean, any time mafia have to lose a member on a potential kill is pretty horrible.
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On December 30 2008 15:31 Caller wrote:
People I can give away
3 Lions = Mole
Triggerhappy = Ver (LOL EPIC WIN)
Ahahahahaha
I hoped Caller wasn't so cruel as to make me green townie so I was either that or the mole. Lucky me!
And yes part of my later plan was to request martyr protection, although I definitely did not expect to be bombed day 1.
But yeah Ace and I both agreed that town was overpowered considerably.
As for roles:
Everyone is too excited to add in roles; we have a proven formula, and we shouldn't change the game so much at once. Some new logical stuff is fine; a ton of it is not.
-6 use Jack is EXTREMELY overpowered. Make it 3 or 4. I shouldn't even need to explain this.
-The medic speaking with dead is kind of questionable...? Vote rigger sounds hilarious and probably isn't that huge of a deal. Meth dealer/anarchist guy is fine. Making the mafia afraid to just auto kill blues is good. Zombie is fine. 2 life vet is good
-Silencer is...kinda questionable; 5 uses is a lot, but not doing it on the same person 2x is what's necessary. Not a huge deal.
-Caller's godfather is great (being able to choose your role) although I think recruitments should be limited to 1 or there should be some sacrifice. When I play with this IRL it's too overpowered even if the mafia has to sacrifice someone to get someone else to join them. Medics watching is still really questionable if there's two because it's SUCH a powerful move.
-Mole is a great idea.
-Smooth criminal is fine; clues shouldn't be that important anyways.
-Mafia Doc should have a limited number of uses, even if it's large like 4-5. It shouldn't be an auto-fire-dont-think-about-it-ability.
-VI is fine now
-Masons will make the game worse, sorry. There should not be confirmed innocents, period.
-I do like the insane cops though because then everyone will think twice about this 'oh I gotta inspect Ace/Ver first round and publically post it.' Frankly cops are always overpowered and make the game too black and white. Caller's change to them in terms of clues/no lists makes sense as well; I like.
Attackzerg had a good idea considering police too:
On December 30 2008 15:13 AttackZerg wrote:
I agree with refining the ideas. I don't think you need to assume caller was 'thoughtless' he may have overlooked the power of a few roles.
I think no rolechecks should be allowed until day 2.
The last two games have gone down hill quickly with "DTS" jumping out of the woodwork right from the get go.
Maybe make DTs immune to a first night attack also and they get a clue. That way gayness doesn't ensue right from the get go.
Man I didn't realize how much more I like being town than mafia. I feel so much stress when I'm mafia haha; doesn't fit the personality.
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lol, nothing you said would of changed my role claim and the way I spoke. Everything I said was virtually flawless logic, and when you came to support Ace it made me look better, you came off as mafia and I just let you guys destroy yourself. I wasn't even aiming for that, I was hoping to cripple the town by killing Ace, I was considering Ver as well, but chose to go with Ace. I didn't want to get lynched in a pussy way, or be the towns tool. So I chose to make as much chaos as I knew I could get away with.
I just want to point out a few things. I did NOT make a mistake of claiming DT first, then switching to Jack, I did it all on purpose. more or less for the reasons I said. I checked with Caller on the Jack being insane or not, then posted that I was the DT and checked Ace. I was not a mouthpiece at any point.
After I got Ace lynched which I knew was inevitable, I figured he would flip blue. I then was going to pretend that I had no idea about why that happened, and say I was just an ignorant towny who was being a mouthpiece, I was basically going to act exactly how Ace did in M3 after he got Folca killed. Keep trying to play it off, to avoid everyone realizing I was the VI.
Which I thought would throw off the town enough for the mafia to have a fighting chance :D The funny thing is, I kept laughing to myself, what if Ace was actually mafia? What would I do with the fucking town rallied behind me because I killed a prominent Mafia?
I didn't even consider Ace flipping GF and then everyone would be so fucking confused, I mean my role check wouldn't of worked, but a mafia was still dead? That wouldn't make any sense rofl.
For a while there, I thought I might of picked out the fucking rockstar T_T which was the only pick that would of fucked my lynch, along with the potential GF.
there was like a 3% chance that I would randomly pick either the GF or the RS. and I got the GF rofl, Ace I love you. It was nothing personal.
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Yea, the rockstar is an imba addition to the town. I vote to have BC run his revised version (possibly implementing some of caller's roles) instead.
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Actually RoL I called you as the VI, but it was like clazz and Lucas believing you too. I was like wtf is going on?
And I knew you couldn't be a mouthpiece so I kept trying to make you prove it. You're logic wasn't flawless 
But yea that whole sane jack thing ripped me to shreds, when I realized it really WAS true after the PM with the "plan" I sent Ver I was like oh shit this game is gonna be over fast...
As for the roles, Caller had a good set of ideas but some just can't exist in the same game.
Insane/Sane cop is really all thats needed with the normal structure to make it fun. If the Jack uses his DT ability, he too doesn't know if he is sane or not. But DTs need to keep their normal role check and clue check ability. Godfather picking a blue role is kinda OP to me, as they'll always appear blue and can opt not to kill with no expense if you give them the ability to recruit members.
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I would have loved to see this played out if we lynched Ace and Ver got trigger happy with someone early on. The godfather dying along with Ver getting offed and an inactive rockstar might have balanced the game out.
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Umm... no we would have gotten horribly raped.
me + ace + 1 other mafia member who posted really really badly the entire time and made it obvious, at least to ver anyway.
-3 that early on, or maybe just 2, woulda been GG.
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On December 30 2008 18:23 AttackZerg wrote:
Umm... no we would have gotten horribly raped.
me + ace + 1 other mafia member who posted really really badly the entire time and made it obvious, at least to ver anyway.
-3 that early on, or maybe just 2, woulda been GG.
malongo gave himself up by instantly saying he was with ace.
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I looked at the overview for the new game.
Everything seems okay... minus the Medics' additional power. Talking to the dead is not really necessary. Have a witch or psychic or an actual necromancer role for that.
Village Idiot was kinda meh. But then again, this is the only game i've ever played with such a role and obviously the village idiot: RoL got the game going crazy.
And as a sidenote, I also agree with Bloodyc0bbler: Malongo said "follow ace and me" pretty much is a self-pwn.
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On December 30 2008 18:24 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2008 18:23 AttackZerg wrote:
Umm... no we would have gotten horribly raped.
me + ace + 1 other mafia member who posted really really badly the entire time and made it obvious, at least to ver anyway.
-3 that early on, or maybe just 2, woulda been GG. malongo gave himself up by instantly saying he was with ace.
Unfortunately even the tightest rope might have a weak thread =(.
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On December 30 2008 18:17 Ace wrote:Actually RoL I called you as the VI, but it was like clazz and Lucas believing you too. I was like wtf is going on? And I knew you couldn't be a mouthpiece so I kept trying to make you prove it. You're logic wasn't flawless But yea that whole sane jack thing ripped me to shreds, when I realized it really WAS true after the PM with the "plan" I sent Ver I was like oh shit this game is gonna be over fast... As for the roles, Caller had a good set of ideas but some just can't exist in the same game. Insane/Sane cop is really all thats needed with the normal structure to make it fun. If the Jack uses his DT ability, he too doesn't know if he is sane or not. But DTs need to keep their normal role check and clue check ability. Godfather picking a blue role is kinda OP to me, as they'll always appear blue and can opt not to kill with no expense if you give them the ability to recruit members.
Originally malongo's stupid post made me instantly suspect you even though RoL's move didn't quite match up properly either but the fact that you revealed that plan to me (something a bit more polished than what I had at that point) made me think you were a bit more likely innocent. I thought it was still a pretty strong plan even with insane jacks since I was pretty positive mafia wouldn't bother roleclaiming rockstar so we could still organize everything through him. Did you believe it had flaws at that point?
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Actually I wasn't kidding, that plan was seriously OP even without the sane Jack. With 1 Rockstar that means there can't be a clash of roles, because mafia would lose 1 person no matter what for it which isn't a good trade in a game like this. So the RS could all RC with no disadvantages.
about malongo: I don't know why he did it, maybe he panicked? But I mean I can't really blame him - drastic measures for such a crazy circumstance.
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just sucked for you ace, because no matter what you flipped, he gave himself up as a partner, and basically him sayin it made him a)rockstar or rockstar bodyguard or b)mafia that is honestly why myself and a few others started to believe you were rolechecked
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I've realized everytime you're townie BC I end up being almost killed on the first day.
2/2 so far 
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On December 30 2008 18:17 Ace wrote:And I knew you couldn't be a mouthpiece so I kept trying to make you prove it. You're logic wasn't flawless But yea that whole sane jack thing ripped me to shreds, when I realized it really WAS true after the PM with the "plan" I sent Ver I was like oh shit this game is gonna be over fast... What was I supposed to prove? I couldn't prove anything. There was nothing to prove. I called the Jack, claimed to have checked you. The role claiming situation like that doesn't revolve around evidence. My proof layed with your dead body. I wasn't thinking long term and didn't need to prove that I was a Jack afterwords, I was going to just be retarded and claim Vet and say how Clazz used me as a mouthpiece, which no one would believe, but with the mafia doc, I figured I would be lynched anyway. So it didn't matter.
Insane/Sane cop is really all thats needed with the normal structure to make it fun. If the Jack uses his DT ability, he too doesn't know if he is sane or not. But DTs need to keep their normal role check and clue check ability. Godfather picking a blue role is kinda OP to me, as they'll always appear blue and can opt not to kill with no expense if you give them the ability to recruit members.
I don't see a way to implement an insane Jack though, I mean how are you supposed to decide if the single Jack is insane or not? Flip a coin? He changes roles to do whatever he needs to do.
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Rol thats what I mean, you couldn't prove that you were really a Jack...
Insane Jack means if he goes DT he doesn't know whether his results are sane or not.
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On December 30 2008 18:55 Ace wrote:I've realized everytime you're townie BC I end up being almost killed on the first day. 2/2 so far
so i should get you killed day one if i flip green again?
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