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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
October 17 2017 15:46 GMT
#841
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Talaris
Profile Joined March 2011
Switzerland753 Posts
October 18 2017 02:23 GMT
#842
Thanks for the update, I was kinda out of the loop of civ6 and will try some more games.

Indonesia looks like Japan/Norway - strong on Archipel maps, probably weak on everything else =/
Still, at least we get more and more Civs for Archipel maps, perhaps a game where those 3 and England/Polynesia duke it out is nice.


Btw, are there any plans for an expansion yet ?
Last time I played (3 months ago) some core mechanics still felt so unfinished...
-= Jaedong // HerO // HasuObs // Unholy Alliance =-
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
October 18 2017 02:51 GMT
#843
Khmer looks awesome still peeved that there is no Netherlands, or Ottomans though.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
DaCruise
Profile Joined July 2010
Denmark2457 Posts
October 18 2017 03:19 GMT
#844
Tried recently to get into Civ 6 again but I cant stand the un-intuitive districts system and the AI feels worse than ever compared to other civ games.
Titusmaster6
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States5937 Posts
October 18 2017 14:12 GMT
#845
While I still enjoy civ 6 from time to time, now the best thing about the game is the music.
Shorts down shorts up, BOOM, just like that.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
October 19 2017 17:34 GMT
#846
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
FaCE_1
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Canada6183 Posts
October 23 2017 10:22 GMT
#847
I didnt play with latest patch but from what I hear, the starting location is bugged since the Fall patch
n_n
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
October 26 2017 10:40 GMT
#848
Bugged is an understatement as of right now this game is unplayable IMO. Start a game and two movbes away there is another civ next to you.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22051 Posts
October 26 2017 10:59 GMT
#849
On October 26 2017 19:40 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Bugged is an understatement as of right now this game is unplayable IMO. Start a game and two movbes away there is another civ next to you.

Thats a value you can change in the ini fine no?
I remember doing it when the game came out to force more distant spawns.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
November 28 2017 15:41 GMT
#850


Golden and Dark Ages are among the new events that can shift the course of your game’s history. They are significant, but temporary, changes to a civilization that last for an Era. They will open up new opportunities for players to change their strategies, and change the state of the game between the player and their rivals. Having a Golden Age affords huge bonuses to Loyalty and other game systems, but makes earning future Golden Ages slightly more difficult.

Having a Dark Age hurts Loyalty in your cities and makes you vulnerable, but gives you an opportunity to earn a future Golden Age more easily. It also allows the use of special Dark Age policies and opens the door for an even more powerful Heroic Age. Think of it this way: While a Golden Age provides one Dedication bonus (a powerful Golden Age effect), being in a Heroic Age lets the player earn three Dedication bonuses (making it sort of a “triple” Golden Age).

In the Civilization VI base game, we have the idea of a “player era” – how far a player has advanced on their tech or civics tree. In this expansion, systems are very much tied to the idea of the “game era,” which is determined by individual player advancement and a few other behind-the-scenes adjustments. Think of these game eras like chapters in a book. Each has its own arc, and its own small ending, but leaves you wanting to discover the rest of the story by continuing to the next chapter. When you enter a new game era you may earn a Golden Age or a Dark Age. Which one you get is determined by your Era Score in the previous game era, a score that is increased by fulfilling certain objectives.

So while your neighbor may have been in a Golden Age last era, they may enter a Dark Age this era, opening up an opportunity for you to change your strategy. The key effect of Golden and Dark Ages: they change the Loyalty of a player’s cities. As Ages change and weak spots are exposed in empires, cities can declare independence and even change hands to new owners.


The stakes of the new Loyalty system are huge because, at the extremes, it can flip control of entire cities to different players without military force. Low Loyalty in a city puts it at risk of rebelling and becoming a Free City. That, in turn, makes it a juicy target for other players looking to expand their own empire. Keeping your cities loyal not only keeps it on your side, but also emanates its Loyalty as a kind of “peer pressure” to other cities nearby. You could even sway cities from other civilizations to join you.

In previous Civilization games, there were ways to “Culture Flip” another player’s city without military intervention. We felt it was time to reexamine this non-militaristic way to change borders, and expand territory.

Loyalty also changes the landscape and strategy around the map as the game continues. What could have been an unchanging border between two civilizations in the base game becomes a contentious battleground of loyalties in the expansion, especially when Golden Ages or Dark Ages are involved.

Golden Ages and Dark Ages are a kind of loyalty bomb. In the best-case scenarios, triggering a Golden Age makes all of your citizens a little bit more loyal. Also, other cities nearby see the appeal of that civilization and may waver in their Loyalty to their current owner. The quickest and most direct way to boost Loyalty, though, is to send a Governor to the city.


In previous versions of Civilization, “governor” often referred to the AI behavior you could set for a city to act on your behalf. In this expansion, though, they are the opposite. Sending a Governor to a city is a way for the player to make an active decision about the development of one of their cities, and grow in a specific direction. Much like how districts operate in the base game, Governors are a way to specialize your cities. The difference: Governors have their own set of unique powerful bonuses and can move between controlled cities.

During a game, players can earn up to seven Governors. Each Governor has a different skill tree of promotions. We bent a lot of existing game rules to give them the power to make a difference in your cities.

Here’s how it works: You earn points (Governor Titles) through gameplay. Then you must choose whether to spend those points on appointing a new Governor or promoting an existing one. How you choose to manage your Governors will impact your overall strategy. Go wide by covering more cities, or go tall by promoting only a few powerful governors.

As for the Governors themselves, they have unique personalities – even before you start choosing which ones to upgrade. Some thrive in taking an already established city to the next level, building Wonders and powering up trade routes. Others are more suited to new cities that are constructing their first districts and claiming their first bits of land. One can be a savior during a city siege, and can make or break a city’s defense against a powerful attacking army. Though normally Governors can only work in your own cities, there is one that can be assigned to city-states, affecting the Envoys you have there. That said, none of the Governors are easily distilled into a single function.


Alliances within Civilization VI already offered a lot, but this expansion adds more nuance. Alliances in the base game often boiled down to a sort of guarantee that the other player would not interfere with your strategy by attacking you, but only rarely did it offer tangible benefits. So for Civilization: Rise and Fall we added more tangible incentives to Alliances. We’re encouraging players to band together for mutual benefit rather than merely non-interference. We’re also giving players more active and flavorful choices to make. Alliances now have a type – Research, Military, Economic, Cultural, or Religious – that determines their benefits. Moreover, as the Alliance continues, the Alliance itself levels up and unlocks more powerful bonuses. This encourages players to think in the long term and to invest in diplomacy.

Let me give you an example of how an Alliance can evolve over time, specifically a Research Alliance. At Level 1, both allies receive Science bonuses to their Trade Routes. But as the Alliance develops, powerful and unique effects come into play. At Level 2, both allies still receive their Science bonuses, but also receive 1 Tech Boost at a regular interval. Level 3 is all of the above, plus bonus Science when researching the same Technology, or a Technology your ally had already researched. These alliances are powerful enough that players are restricted to just one Alliance of each type at a time. But you and your Alliance partner can agree to change the type of your Alliance later in the game.



Emergencies are new with Civilization VI: Rise and Fall. Most Emergencies get triggered when one player gets a significant lead or advantage in an area. Converting a Holy City to a different religion, or using a nuclear weapon, for example. When triggered, the game determines which other players can join in an Emergency against the target and each player can choose to join or pass. Joining can give permanent benefits, but only if the players are able to complete an Emergency-specific objective against the target in time, otherwise the target gets a benefit instead.

They are a sort of checks-and-balances system. You see, there is a delicate balance to strike – making the game more dynamic and also ensuring it stays fair for players who have developed a strong lead. We’re adding challenges to players who’d get so far ahead of others that the game stagnated towards victory for them. We also did not want to artificially rubberband them down. Emergencies become a great way to attack this game-pacing problem. It also reveals the dynamic world stage for players that have more isolationist play styles. As Emergencies come up, they can be involved with them one way or another.



Fans of Civilization know that each game plays out in its own way, with its own unique story. With Civilization VI: Rise and Fall, we are bringing that story into the spotlight by adding more ways to track the progress of a player’s civilization than ever before.

So as players progress in Civilization: Rise and Fall, they earn Historic Moments. These are mini-achievements for doing cool things in the world (and there are over 100 of them in the game right now). They include things like circumnavigating the world, training your unique unit, founding a religion, and building districts with high adjacency bonuses. Many grant an even bigger bonus if you’re the “world’s first” civilization to make the achievement. These Historic Moments, taken together, form a story for your game with unique details tailored to your empire.

Historic Moments are represented two ways. First, they increase your Era Score, helping you achieve a Golden Age. Second, they are added to your Timeline, which is a place in the UI that displays all your accomplishments in a game. This Timeline has tons of custom illustrations for each different moment, and is a very cool representation of your empire’s history during your unique game. On a more practical note, it is also a useful way to remind yourself of what you have been up to if you return to a saved game after a few days away. Ultimately, the Timeline is a way to illustrate your story.



People often ask how we select new leaders and civilizations to include in expansions – and we have nine new leaders and eight new civilizations which will be revealed over the coming weeks with Civilization: Rise and Fall. Well, it is a collaborative process that involves the whole team from art and design to production and even our legal department. We also ask ourselves some core questions as we select potential leaders:

  • “Is this region of the world represented?”
  • “Is this time in history represented?”
  • “Is this represented/revered in previous Civilization games or totally new?”

We strive to have a diverse and varied selection of leaders, and it is also very important to us to include female leaders. Women are often underrepresented in traditional historical accounts, and recent scholarship has revealed more and more the fascinating and powerful women that lived between the lines of history textbooks. We also look for leaders whose history makes them particularly well-suited for a bonus related to new expansion systems.

As for balancing and trying to minimize power creep among those new leaders, we take a holistic look at the state of the game and how our leaders, new and old, stack up in it. Our QA department regularly gives us their evaluations of who is on top and who is on bottom, in their estimations of strength. We look at fan evaluations and rankings in this process, as well. We are not afraid to go back to leaders we have already finalized and rework their bonus entirely – so keep telling us what you think about leaders. We are always listening.

This is just the start of what’s coming in Civilization VI: Rise and Fall. We have lots more to share before this expansion releases on February 8, 2018 that we can’t wait to tell you about – starting with all the new leaders and civilizations you’ll get to rule.

Follow the conversation on social media by using the hashtag #OneMoreTurn, and be sure to follow the Civilization franchise on social media to keep up to date with the latest news and information on Sid Meier’s Civilization VI.


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FaCE_1
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Canada6183 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-11-28 18:48:28
November 28 2017 18:45 GMT
#851
That's a lots of change into a unfinish game !

I'm surprise they mention they got a QA team, I tough that was just an illusion.

Will see how this look but won't buy right awway for sure, probably a month after release to see how ppl react to it.

The only thing that look somewhat good is the governor thing. I also really dislike the Loyalty and emergency system "so far". Will see how it develops.

edit: I also, as always with any CIV VI change, REALLY HOPE they fix their dam AI and how the "friendly / Hostile" sytem work.
n_n
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-11-29 02:06:35
November 29 2017 02:02 GMT
#852
So by the announcement trailer it is a safe bet that the Mongols, Korea (The Crown), and the Dutch (The Map of Amsterdam) are a safe bet.

The first major expansion for Civilization VI, called Rise and Fall, has been unveiled. In addition to nine new leaders and eight new civs, the expansion adds a number of features designed to level out the playing field later in the game. While we there's a lot we still don't know about it, one thing is very clear: Rise and Fall is about comebacks.

In an interview, Rise and Fall lead designer Anton Strenger explained the thought process behind the new systems. "I noticed in Civilization VI [vanilla] that it became very powerful to have a large empire, and it became really hard to challenge the civ in the lead." Each of the main additions in Rise and Fall--the Great Ages system, Loyalty, and Governors--seems to work toward improving the base game's perceived pitfalls.

Great Ages are the most substantial of the upcoming changes. Based on how successful you are as a leader, your civilization can enter either a Golden Age or a Dark Age, with special bonuses, challenges, and modifiers to go with it. If you navigate a Dark Age carefully and complete the challenges posed to you, your next Golden Age will be a much stronger Heroic Age, giving you the edge even after you've slipped behind. Learn from your mistakes, and you won't have to suffer for them through the entire game.

"Of course, [Dark Ages give] us another challenge: how do you keep someone from quitting the game because they just reached a Dark Age?" Strenger said. "Our answer to that were Heroic Ages. They're like Advanced Golden Ages, or Triple Golden Ages. They give unique bonuses when you crawl out of a Dark Age. You'll also get unique policies during Dark Ages, so it's not always necessarily a bad thing to enter one."

Loyalty, which is specific to each individual city, adds to this later-game balancing. If you let a city's Loyalty fall too low, it will potentially declare independence, leaving room for another civ to swoop in, gain the city's loyalty, and expand its borders. The new Governors--seven minor characters that allow for more specialization in cities via bonuses and promotion trees--can be used to reinforce Loyalty. They also add another layer of customization to existing civs.

Rise and Fall's changes both aim to move Civ VI forward while also ironing out criticisms of the vanilla game. Great Ages, Loyalty, and Governors are only a few of a slew of changes big and small coming in the expansion, and if it's done wrong, it could be too much to try all at once. But if it's done right, Rise and Fall could be a seriously interesting addition to the long-running franchise.


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BluzMan
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
Russian Federation4235 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-11-29 09:44:48
November 29 2017 09:44 GMT
#853
Well, I played the game for a while and while it's fun for the first run or two, massively stupid AI kinda kills the fun for the later attempts. It makes atrocious tactical decisions and it's diplomacy is counter-productive (declares wars it can't win), but raising the difficulty doesn't help - it doesn't make it smarter, just gives it huge numerical advantages like an early second city etc. It doesn't feel difficult, it just feels unfair.
You want 20 good men, but you need a bad pussy.
FaCE_1
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Canada6183 Posts
November 29 2017 10:09 GMT
#854
Agree, the diplomatic AI is the worst part of this game currently, at least for me. it's a huge step backward compare to Civ 5
n_n
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-12-04 17:57:06
December 04 2017 17:56 GMT
#855
It's Korea... Seondeok?

"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
December 04 2017 18:08 GMT
#856
Civ AI has always been kind off strange whenever they try to make the AI more human. More human apparently means that the AI no longer have long term strategical or tactical plans to win, they just behave like emotionally deranged children.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
December 05 2017 14:57 GMT
#857
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18564 Posts
December 05 2017 15:39 GMT
#858
On December 05 2017 03:08 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
Civ AI has always been kind off strange whenever they try to make the AI more human. More human apparently means that the AI no longer have long term strategical or tactical plans to win, they just behave like emotionally deranged children.


That sounds very human to me!
andrewlt
Profile Joined August 2009
United States7702 Posts
December 05 2017 18:49 GMT
#859
It also sounds very historical and realistic.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
December 12 2017 15:38 GMT
#860
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
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