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On August 12 2012 23:35 TwoToneTerran wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2012 23:33 TieN.nS) wrote:On August 12 2012 23:30 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Oh, fair enough on the no-trade clause.
If he could be traded, I'm pretty sure they could get someone to bite, though. Kobe's got this legendary mystique about him that seems to draw absurd overlooking of anything he does wrong. Are you missing the part where he's taking up nearly half of the salary cap and isn't getting any younger? It would never happen even without the no-trade clause. The Lakers just fleeced a team for the best center in the league by making them take garbage. They can make anything happen.
Fantastic. Now give me an example of a team that just needs Kobe to get to the next level. Oh, don't forget they'll have to trade 2/3 of their roster to get him; I guess that might throw a wrench in the plan. Well, how about a bad team that just wants to sell some tickets? Uh... and they'd be willing to trade everything for a 1-2 year rental of a declining superstar that would 100% refuse to play for them?
And then the Lakers FO has to explain trading away one of their all-time great players for a salary dump. Yes, it's very surprising that the Lakers haven't considered trading Kobe.
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You're being really prickly over a tongue in cheek statement.
Like I said, we can't know if there IS a team that would do it since he can't be traded. Would you have, logically speaking, expected Orlando to take this trade we JUST saw when they had 3 better ones already offered? Logic doesn't always dictate the NBA.
edit-- You know what, you're right. You win the argument. This is way too trivial to be even talking about when I wasn't being that serious. I was seriously just riffing off of how vicious the Laker's FO is.
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Sixers will be in the East finals, book it. Bynum is in the last year of his deal, he's gonna want a HUGE contract. Its amazing how well pro athletes perform when they're heading into free agency.
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On August 12 2012 23:20 TwoToneTerran wrote:
I'm legitimately surprised the Lakers haven't shipped off Kobe while his value is still vastly overrated. I guess they're just letting him play out his contract at worst, though.
Kobe's a special case though like I've already said.
They won't trade him, the fans won't allow it.
His jersey's going to be retired the moment he does, and they're probably already planning where to put his bronze statue.
As much as the Lakers front office is a bunch of cold hearted cut-throat businessmen, they know what Kobe means to this franchise and they'd be stupid to muck with that legacy.
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On August 13 2012 00:03 Vindicare605 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2012 23:20 TwoToneTerran wrote:
I'm legitimately surprised the Lakers haven't shipped off Kobe while his value is still vastly overrated. I guess they're just letting him play out his contract at worst, though. Kobe's a special case though like I've already said. They won't trade him, the fans won't allow it. His jersey's going to be retired the moment he does, and they're probably already planning where to put his bronze statue. As much as the Lakers front office is a bunch of cold hearted cut-throat businessmen, they know what Kobe means to this franchise and they'd be stupid to muck with that legacy.
They won't trade him because they can't. Not because of the fans or loyalty.
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Miami still has the best starting line up in the league.
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On August 13 2012 00:04 AntiGrav1ty wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2012 00:03 Vindicare605 wrote:On August 12 2012 23:20 TwoToneTerran wrote:
I'm legitimately surprised the Lakers haven't shipped off Kobe while his value is still vastly overrated. I guess they're just letting him play out his contract at worst, though. Kobe's a special case though like I've already said. They won't trade him, the fans won't allow it. His jersey's going to be retired the moment he does, and they're probably already planning where to put his bronze statue. As much as the Lakers front office is a bunch of cold hearted cut-throat businessmen, they know what Kobe means to this franchise and they'd be stupid to muck with that legacy. They won't trade him because they can't. Not because of the fans or loyalty.
Even if they could they wouldn't is what I'm saying.
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On August 13 2012 00:03 Vindicare605 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2012 23:20 TwoToneTerran wrote:
I'm legitimately surprised the Lakers haven't shipped off Kobe while his value is still vastly overrated. I guess they're just letting him play out his contract at worst, though. Kobe's a special case though like I've already said. They won't trade him, the fans won't allow it. His jersey's going to be retired the moment he does, and they're probably already planning where to put his bronze statue. As much as the Lakers front office is a bunch of cold hearted cut-throat businessmen, they know what Kobe means to this franchise and they'd be stupid to muck with that legacy.
Having Kobe as a "life-long Laker" allows them to maximize his value to the organization. They don't want him to be connected to any other franchise. It's all about finances. Nothing to do with "loyalty".
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On August 13 2012 00:08 Ace wrote:
Miami still has the best starting line up in the league.
Our bench will always leave something to be desired. We need a sixth man, someone who can come off the bench, create his own shot and get 12-15 pts. Right now we have a bunch of 3pt specialists and front line bodies to collect fouls.
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Miami doesn't have a sixth man because of the way they run their line ups. Not really a big deal since all 3 of their stars can be #1 options on offense and carry the team. It's why the way they're built they have so many specialists.
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On August 13 2012 00:08 Ace wrote:
Miami still has the best starting line up in the league.
Is this a man for man comparison or overall? I'd say the Lakers are clearly better at PG and Center, a little worse at SG, much much worse and SF and very similar with a slight edge at PF. The only reason I'd give Miami the edge is cohesion and experience actually playing with their group.
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Kobe is the only player on the nba that has a no trade clause right?
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On August 13 2012 01:26 rei wrote:
Kobe is the only player on the nba that has a no trade clause right?
Pretty sure Dirk does, too.
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On August 13 2012 01:26 rei wrote:
Kobe is the only player on the nba that has a no trade clause right?
I think Dirk has it as well.
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On August 13 2012 01:24 TwoToneTerran wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2012 00:08 Ace wrote:
Miami still has the best starting line up in the league. Is this a man for man comparison or overall? I'd say the Lakers are clearly better at PG and Center, a little worse at SG, much much worse and SF and very similar with a slight edge at PF. The only reason I'd give Miami the edge is cohesion and experience actually playing with their group.
Overall. And Chris Bosh is at a level above Pau right now so I don't think it's that close. His defense was phenomenaly good last year.
Miami's main advantage with their starting 5 is defensively that is one of the toughest line ups in the NBA to score on. Mario Chalmers isn't Steve Nash but defensively he is an animal with Lebron/Wade/Bosh behind him.
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That's a fair point but I'd still say, on paper, that the Lakers have a better starting 5. As a unit Miami plays really well when they aren't doing heat checks.
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I'd be surprised if that's the case. Miami's starting 5 +/- numbers the past 2 seasons were ridiculously huge. Iirc the only team that had such a monstrous edge like them in their starting 5 are the Boston Celtics with KG and the Lakers with Shaq. Don't quote me on that though cuz I'd have to go digging around for where I saw those numbers and could be missing some other teams.
Basically you'd need multiple dominant 2 way players or at least no glaring weakness in some aspect of the unit for you to match Miami's huge blow out potential and with Nash and Kobe at this point in their careers that's asking a lot.
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Problems I see with Lakers matchup for Miami.
Nash / Dwight / Gasol. This will slow the game down considerably when Nash dumps in the ball into the post. Not as many turnovers / transition points for Miami. It will be a half court offense.
Forcing Miami to play bigger. Bosh and the 5 and Battier at the 4 won't work. You have to throw in a Joel Anthony to try and slow down the other 7 footer. Miami is best when they are able to play small without being punished down low.
If you play small, Pau and Dwight will clean up that glass completely. Miami will be outrebounded every game unless LeBron makes it a concerned effort to body up and get down and dirty with Dwight and Pau.
Fronting defense on Pau and Dwight will be extremely dangerous with a player like Nash
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Yup, Miami can't play small against the Lakers like they did most of the postseason. I think the Heat are a good matchup for the Lakers.
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Why wouldn't they play small? You've gotta remember Wade and Lebron are the best rebounding players at their respective positions. Miami has played small vs LA before and killed them. I don't see why that would change with Dwight Howard there - they are still going to let Bosh roam around the high post and surround him with shooters. Defensively Miami has killed "bigger" teams in the past multiple times.
ETA: Really I think this comes down to what the Lakers get out of their bench and line ups. I'm not excited about the Jodie Meeks signing and I have no idea what they are going to do with Nash's minutes. The biggest problem every team has had vs Miami so far outside of Chicago is exploiting their non-starting line ups when only 1 of Wade/Bosh/Lebron are out there consistently.
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