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seanisgrand
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States1039 Posts
October 25 2012 13:58 GMT
#1661
John Wall and Brian Cook, surely.
This is well below quality expected of a post in any forum. -Empyrean
Jerubaal
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States7684 Posts
October 25 2012 20:33 GMT
#1662
Rajon Rondo is the best two pick and roll players in the NBA. He doesn't even need the roll.
I'm not stupid, a marauder just shot my brain.
rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
October 25 2012 20:43 GMT
#1663
On October 26 2012 05:33 Jerubaal wrote:
Rajon Rondo is the best two pick and roll players in the NBA. He doesn't even need the roll.

wait what... pick and pick?
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Jerubaal
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States7684 Posts
October 25 2012 21:23 GMT
#1664
On October 26 2012 05:43 rabidch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2012 05:33 Jerubaal wrote:
Rajon Rondo is the best two pick and roll players in the NBA. He doesn't even need the roll.

wait what... pick and pick?


IDK man, just_roll_with it.
I'm not stupid, a marauder just shot my brain.
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
October 25 2012 21:31 GMT
#1665
On October 25 2012 16:29 Zorkmid wrote:
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On October 23 2012 04:31 Ace wrote:
Pau Gasol is the key to the Lakers fortunes. I'd never trust Dwight to "run" an offense as in Orlando they really didn't play through him the way you'd play through a normal center ie post ups and entry passes. Part of that is Dwight isn't really a dominant post scorer and secondly he is terrible at passing and always has sky high turnovers.

I think they should do the Miami routine and stagger their starters, giving Nash and Pau an early rest in the first, and letting Kobe/Dwight close off. At least that way if the bench struggles the Lakers went in with a lead. Pau and Nash are best suited to creating for sub par players instead of Kobe going 1 on 5 or Dwight getting double teamed and turning it over all the time.


I don't know.

Best two pick and roll players in NBA now find themselves on the same team.


Nash yes, Dwight no. He's being heavily gifted for being a great roll guy but he against quick or bulky defenders he has limited options because he can't shoot and has no ball handling ability. There are a couple of guys I'd take over him in a PnR situation.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
Zorkmid
Profile Joined November 2008
4410 Posts
October 25 2012 22:33 GMT
#1666
On October 26 2012 06:31 Ace wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 25 2012 16:29 Zorkmid wrote:
On October 23 2012 04:31 Ace wrote:
Pau Gasol is the key to the Lakers fortunes. I'd never trust Dwight to "run" an offense as in Orlando they really didn't play through him the way you'd play through a normal center ie post ups and entry passes. Part of that is Dwight isn't really a dominant post scorer and secondly he is terrible at passing and always has sky high turnovers.

I think they should do the Miami routine and stagger their starters, giving Nash and Pau an early rest in the first, and letting Kobe/Dwight close off. At least that way if the bench struggles the Lakers went in with a lead. Pau and Nash are best suited to creating for sub par players instead of Kobe going 1 on 5 or Dwight getting double teamed and turning it over all the time.


I don't know.

Best two pick and roll players in NBA now find themselves on the same team.


Nash yes, Dwight no. He's being heavily gifted for being a great roll guy but he against quick or bulky defenders he has limited options because he can't shoot and has no ball handling ability. There are a couple of guys I'd take over him in a PnR situation.


I saw some stat on NBA TV where he Dwight scores like 60% of the time off of pick and rolls. It's a statistical thing not an opinion I have. Who knows if having them together will be a great thing or not, or even whether Kobe will want to stay out of the offense for x number of plays.
krndandaman
Profile Joined August 2009
Mozambique16569 Posts
October 25 2012 23:37 GMT
#1667
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Jerubaal
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States7684 Posts
October 25 2012 23:40 GMT
#1668
I keep thinking about how the Lakers haven't had an offense run through a point guard since Magic. That's a bit of an adjustment for Kobe who's played in the triangle and faux triangle his whole career.
I'm not stupid, a marauder just shot my brain.
slyboogie
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3423 Posts
October 25 2012 23:54 GMT
#1669
On October 26 2012 08:40 Jerubaal wrote:
I keep thinking about how the Lakers haven't had an offense run through a point guard since Magic. That's a bit of an adjustment for Kobe who's played in the triangle and faux triangle his whole career.


Aren't they playing Princeton/Motion offense? Kobe will have a lot to do with the ball even if Nash is in. Also, I've always wondered about Kobe playing more like Ray Allen - not entirely, of course, but moving around, getting a nice shot without the ball and all that. That'll never happen.
"We dug coal together." Boyd Crowder, Justified
Holcan
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada2593 Posts
October 26 2012 00:56 GMT
#1670
yea, they will be implenting a lot of the princeton offense
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RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13365 Posts
October 26 2012 06:53 GMT
#1671
Enes Kanter has been killing it this pre-season.

Any thoughts on how he'll go this year?
"Terrans are pretty much space-Australians" - H
XaI)CyRiC
Profile Joined October 2002
United States4471 Posts
October 26 2012 16:35 GMT
#1672
They're giving him a lot of run in the preseason, but you have to think his minutes will drop significantly once the regular season starts and Jefferson and Millsap return to their usual PT. Favors has a better shot at minutes because he's the defensive anchor that none of the three other bigs are, and which the Jazz need to take that next step.
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simmeh
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada2511 Posts
October 28 2012 02:50 GMT
#1673
Harden got traded to the rockets in a package deal

Thunder will be getting Martin

damn! o_O

byah!
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
October 28 2012 02:55 GMT
#1674
Holy hell
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
Kahlgar
Profile Joined June 2011
411 Posts
October 28 2012 14:43 GMT
#1675
such a stupid move by OKC
a176
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada6688 Posts
October 28 2012 15:51 GMT
#1676
dont we a regular season thread?
starleague forever
citi.zen
Profile Joined April 2009
2509 Posts
October 28 2012 16:49 GMT
#1677
Whoever drafted Harden in fantasy should be pretty happy.

Makes business sense for OKC - they are paying penalty on every dollar they pay him. Even so, 54m over 4 years was a pretty fair offer... only 6m below a max 4 year offer under the current rules.
Aut viam inveniam, aut faciam.
XaI)CyRiC
Profile Joined October 2002
United States4471 Posts
October 28 2012 18:41 GMT
#1678
Huge and surprising trade. I know people are arguing already that the trade made sense for the Thunder due to the finances, but I'm not buying it and think it's a terrible decision for them. They could always get lucky and have PJIII or Lamb blow, or make some great trade later one with KMart's expiring + picks, but I think it's clearly a bad move based on what we know now.

I have to say that this Simmons article makes a lot of sense to me: http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/8486795/the-harden-dilemma The Thunder crying about not being to afford paying the luxury tax just doesn't add up when you consider how successful the franchise has been and how affordable the team has been up to this point. No team can expect to compete for a championship these days while paying as little as the Thunder have been over the past few without a LOT of luck. OKC had the stars align for them to compete for a championship at what should be considered a substantial bargain for the past few years, and now they're going to balk because they have to pay what most contenders have to pay? This while they're one of the most successful teams in the league, with three hugely marketable stars? Let's also not forget that the ownership consists of very rich people. Like Simmons, I don't buy it.

As much as it helps the prospects of my hometown teams (Lakers and Clippers), I'm disappointed at this result. OKC had something really special on that team, and should have been able to make it work. They should still contend for this season and for seasons going forward, but we'll never get to see what would have happened if the Westbrook/Durant/Harden/Ibaka core could have continued to grow after last season's growth and maturity in the playoffs (vs Spurs in particular) and finals defeat. Damn shame.
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Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
October 28 2012 19:46 GMT
#1679
I've already said this other places but the trade was terrible and OKCs owners should be ashamed for being so damn cheap.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
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