EPTNBA Offseason 2012 - Page 73
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Southlight
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XaI)CyRiC
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Kahlgar
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Bosh will also struggle against Howard given the difference in size and athletism, Haslem and Anthony are needed for the 1on1 & help defense but also to hack-a-Dwight when needed (and Bosh can't afford to do that). | ||
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Southlight
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Bulkers
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My question is, does Howard took low money just to join? Since Kobe, Pau and Steve probably get big part of the cake I dont know how much is left there... | ||
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Southlight
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MassHysteria
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On August 12 2012 21:37 TwoToneTerran wrote: I can't buy that. You don't have more than 2 good years left in Nash, Dwight is your future and you guys picked him up expecting that. If you truly thought Bynum was better sans Nash then you should've stuck with him because he's younger and Nash doesn't have much longer. People were straight up saying Bynum vs Dwight in a vacuum, Bynum was better and that was patently silly. Nash doesn't change the picture, but it does give an easy fallback argument justifying picking up Howard (which the Lakers were trying to do forever because they're smart and know Howard is better). The bolded is definitely silly and I seriously don't recall anyone who has said that but they deserve it if they did in fact say that. And for that reason I agree with your first sentence on how you are not buying it, because that was never the case. Bynum was never considered a better player than Howard by rational Laker fans. edit:grammar correction | ||
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MassHysteria
United States3678 Posts
On August 13 2012 05:04 Bulkers wrote: I dont kinda understand this... There was some agreement in NBA that teams got maximum cap of money they could spend on contracts. In Miami they already have 3 starts that get tons of money and rest of the lineup is getting almost nothing compared to the start. My question is, does Howard took low money just to join? Since Kobe, Pau and Steve probably get big part of the cake I dont know how much is left there... They traded for him, he hasn't signed anything yet. But you are missing a lot of information about CBA that you would have to read up on. Best online source I have encountered if you really want to find out is http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm | ||
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XaI)CyRiC
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On August 13 2012 04:52 Southlight wrote: Howard just isn't that good offensively though, lol. And Bosh is a pain for any big-man, Dwight included, to cover because he has such good range. Logistically I think Bosh and Howard can easily cancel each other out in terms of effect, so you're really looking at Kobe, Pau, and Nash needing to deal with Wade and Lebron, on both sides of the court. I just don't see that happening particularly easily with Nash and Kobe getting on in age. Dwight's offense isn't pretty, but it can be effective. There have been several articles analyzing his offense capabilities, and the conclusions have typically been that it's effective even if it's not pretty. You also have to realize just how strong Dwight is, and how much trouble a player like Bosh would have with him down in the paint in terms of defending him and fighting for rebounds. Dwight will be able to handle Bosh better than vice-versa, so I don't see it as canceling each other out. | ||
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a176
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Southlight
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TwoToneTerran
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On August 13 2012 05:27 MassHysteria wrote: The bolded is definitely silly and I seriously don't recall anyone who has said that but they deserve it if they did in fact say that. And for that reason I agree with your first sentence on how you are not buying it, because that was never the case. Bynum was never considered a better player than Howard by rational Laker fans. edit:grammar correction Shaq, Chris Webber, Ice Cube, and half of ESPN while also a bunch of people on multiple forums (all of who were Lakers fans, incidentally). We literally had people in this thread admit to it and say they change their mind now that they have Nash, and, like I said, I don't buy it. I can kind of understand justifying it as just fan Hoorah, but still. | ||
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Southlight
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seiferoth10
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On August 13 2012 12:28 TwoToneTerran wrote: Shaq, Chris Webber, Ice Cube, and half of ESPN while also a bunch of people on multiple forums (all of who were Lakers fans, incidentally). We literally had people in this thread admit to it and say they change their mind now that they have Nash, and, like I said, I don't buy it. I can kind of understand justifying it as just fan Hoorah, but still. You seem to be caught up in trying to rank players "in a vacuum". Guess what, that ranking doesn't mean anything. Players fit differently into different systems with different teammates. Before Nash Bynum fit in better with what the Lakers had at their disposal, with Nash Howard fits better. Edit: I just thought of it, and apparently the Knicks FO uses that "vacuum" ranking to get players, and look how their team turned out. | ||
FlaShFTW
United States10268 Posts
jk  but srsly, trade was meh. traded one good center for another. hope howard stays healthy. | ||
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TwoToneTerran
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On August 13 2012 12:53 seiferoth10 wrote: You seem to be caught up in trying to rank players "in a vacuum". Guess what, that ranking doesn't mean anything. Players fit differently into different systems with different teammates. Before Nash Bynum fit in better with what the Lakers had at their disposal, with Nash Howard fits better. Edit: I just thought of it, and apparently the Knicks FO uses that "vacuum" ranking to get players, and look how their team turned out. I'm still confused why you need a post scoring presence on your team when you've got Kobe and Pau Gasol and that Dwight is a significant upgrade over Bynum but whatever. Laker fan Hoorah. You know who's a really good front office? The Lakers. And they've been trying to get Dwight since long before Nash was even considered an option. Don't bring me that Knicks junk like it makes a cogent point. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
On August 13 2012 12:53 seiferoth10 wrote: You seem to be caught up in trying to rank players "in a vacuum". Guess what, that ranking doesn't mean anything. Players fit differently into different systems with different teammates. Before Nash Bynum fit in better with what the Lakers had at their disposal, with Nash Howard fits better. Edit: I just thought of it, and apparently the Knicks FO uses that "vacuum" ranking to get players, and look how their team turned out. applause! EDIT: Doesn't necessarily apply to the Lakers, but the Knicks are definitely the one of the dumbest FOs around. | ||
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Itsmedudeman
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Existential
Australia2107 Posts
On August 13 2012 05:04 Bulkers wrote: I dont kinda understand this... There was some agreement in NBA that teams got maximum cap of money they could spend on contracts. In Miami they already have 3 starts that get tons of money and rest of the lineup is getting almost nothing compared to the start. My question is, does Howard took low money just to join? Since Kobe, Pau and Steve probably get big part of the cake I dont know how much is left there... Keep in mind that the Lakers used their trade exception for Steve Nash to absorb his salary. | ||
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TwoToneTerran
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