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Klogon
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
MURICA15980 Posts
August 13 2012 08:03 GMT
#1461
On August 13 2012 12:57 FlaShFTW wrote:
so how mad are you guys with howard on the lakers?

jk but srsly, trade was meh. traded one good center for another. hope howard stays healthy.


This trade is definitely more than a mere "meh" situation lol
krndandaman
Profile Joined August 2009
Mozambique16569 Posts
August 13 2012 15:08 GMT
#1462
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slyboogie
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3423 Posts
August 13 2012 15:18 GMT
#1463
On August 13 2012 14:40 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Howard didn't lose any money, you're allowed to make a trade, regardless of salary cap, so long as the contract/s you're trading for don't exceed 125% of what you're trading off, I believe(there's more wording on the traded player exemption thing so I'm pretty sure this isn't COMPLETELY accurate but it's something similar to that). It's the softest cap imaginable and it's pretty outstanding how the Lakers have abused every cap stipulation to get nearly double the standard cap limit.


Considering the Lakers will be paying 4:1 on, about, the 20 million they're over the cap, I wouldn't call it particularly soft. I don't see why this is such a big deal. All of these stipulations exist for every single team in the NBA, they are equally accessible. The actual problems are, in no particular order: Over expansion, "hard" salary caps, maximum salaries. Not this big market/small market stuff.
"We dug coal together." Boyd Crowder, Justified
XaI)CyRiC
Profile Joined October 2002
United States4471 Posts
August 13 2012 16:37 GMT
#1464
On August 14 2012 00:08 krndandaman wrote:
for those on a tighter budget than most (college students) is it worth going to an NBA game live in a bad seat? (like $50-100)
As a huge NBA fan I really want to go see an NBA game live.. especially the Lakers. But the tickets are so expensive and I never liked the idea of watching the game from so far. I'm going to college in D.C and I'm considering buying tickets to a Wizards/Lakers game but its just so so expensive for mediocre seats. Is it worth it or should I just watch it at home and save up money for another time when I have a lot more money to spend and can get better seats (~$200).


I don't know what the stadium is like in DC, but I would never recommend anyone ever pay to watch a Lakers or Clippers game in the Staples center in the 300 seating section where the "affordable" seats are. I've been up there and it's so high up it's hard to really see anything. Plus, the seats and stairs leading up to them are so steep that I get a feeling of vertigo when I stand up and look downwards. Totally not worth the money, and you'd be better off watching at home.

If the seats you're looking at in DC are anything like those, I'd recommend just saving the money and getting a better seat. You're missing out on a lot of the appeal of watching a basketball game live if you're so far away that you can't even tell the players apart.
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krndandaman
Profile Joined August 2009
Mozambique16569 Posts
August 13 2012 17:03 GMT
#1465
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GoShox
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States1844 Posts
August 13 2012 17:20 GMT
#1466
I went to a regular season Thunder vs. Mavs game last year in OKC, the one where Durant hit the game winning three with no time left. We sat really high up but the atmosphere was amazing. Don't remember how much the ticket was, around $50 I think. I go to a lot of college basketball games and focus on that more than the NBA, and my college basketball team is known for having a loud arena but OKC was just a whole different level haha. The nice thing about sitting higher up is that you're able to see plays develop much more easily.

However, I'm hoping to go to one again this year and hoping to get seats close to the court just cause you're really able to see how fast the game moves closer up. But yeah like someone else said earlier, if the seating is just awful and you can't tell who anyone is then it's probably not worth it. I thought OKC's seating was pretty well done, though.
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-13 18:06:01
August 13 2012 18:05 GMT
#1467
oh interesting

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/blog/eye-on-basketball/19789180/wolves-rejected-offer-for-bynum


The Minnesota Timberwolves were consistently discussed in trade rumors with the Los Angeles Lakers over the past year. Whether it was a move of Pau Gasol for Derrick Williams, in three-way talks for Dwight Howard, the Wolves always seemed there for the Lakers if they needed them.

But apparently the Wolves walked away from what would have been a huge move. Twin-Cities.com reports that the Wolves rejected an offer for Andrew Bynum. Further terms of the trade aren't known, so it could have been "Give us Ricky Rubio and Kevin Love for Bynum" which the Wolves wold have laughed out lout all the live-long day about. But if it had been any other assortment of offers, you have to think it would at least been intriguing. A Rubio-Love-Bynum set would put the Wolves among the superstar teams, with enough financial flexibility to do something else to move forward. Whether it was the terms of the deal or a concern over Bynum re-signing, it wasn't enough for Minnesota.

But it shows you how big this deal was going to work out, any way it went down.
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seanisgrand
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States1039 Posts
August 13 2012 18:14 GMT
#1468
On August 14 2012 01:37 XaI)CyRiC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2012 00:08 krndandaman wrote:
for those on a tighter budget than most (college students) is it worth going to an NBA game live in a bad seat? (like $50-100)
As a huge NBA fan I really want to go see an NBA game live.. especially the Lakers. But the tickets are so expensive and I never liked the idea of watching the game from so far. I'm going to college in D.C and I'm considering buying tickets to a Wizards/Lakers game but its just so so expensive for mediocre seats. Is it worth it or should I just watch it at home and save up money for another time when I have a lot more money to spend and can get better seats (~$200).


I don't know what the stadium is like in DC, but I would never recommend anyone ever pay to watch a Lakers or Clippers game in the Staples center in the 300 seating section where the "affordable" seats are. I've been up there and it's so high up it's hard to really see anything. Plus, the seats and stairs leading up to them are so steep that I get a feeling of vertigo when I stand up and look downwards. Totally not worth the money, and you'd be better off watching at home.

If the seats you're looking at in DC are anything like those, I'd recommend just saving the money and getting a better seat. You're missing out on a lot of the appeal of watching a basketball game live if you're so far away that you can't even tell the players apart.


See I have the totally opposite opinion of Staples. Obviously if you can get a lower level ticket for cheap that's great, but that doesn't happen that regularly.

Staples is such a straight up and down arena that I feel like the court is a much better view in comparison to other arenas I've been in. Usually the upper level is not only higher (duh), but significantly further back.

Plus, the people up there actually cheer for the team. :X
This is well below quality expected of a post in any forum. -Empyrean
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-13 18:30:28
August 13 2012 18:25 GMT
#1469
On August 14 2012 00:18 slyboogie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2012 14:40 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Howard didn't lose any money, you're allowed to make a trade, regardless of salary cap, so long as the contract/s you're trading for don't exceed 125% of what you're trading off, I believe(there's more wording on the traded player exemption thing so I'm pretty sure this isn't COMPLETELY accurate but it's something similar to that). It's the softest cap imaginable and it's pretty outstanding how the Lakers have abused every cap stipulation to get nearly double the standard cap limit.


Considering the Lakers will be paying 4:1 on, about, the 20 million they're over the cap, I wouldn't call it particularly soft. I don't see why this is such a big deal. All of these stipulations exist for every single team in the NBA, they are equally accessible. The actual problems are, in no particular order: Over expansion, "hard" salary caps, maximum salaries. Not this big market/small market stuff.


Small market teams have small market owners who can't possibly take the luxury tax hits because they don't have billion dollar networking deals for being the Lakers. It's laughable to think of the NBA's cap situation is anything closely regarding equality or parity. But that's ok, the NBA is a different beast. Superstar driven league more attracted to big markets, and as many people are going to quickly point out THE KNICKS.

But the best part is I wasn't even making the well documented big vs small market argument. I was literally just lauding the Lakers for using the system better than any other team. I can't even compliment the Lakers without some whiteknighting.

Also the "20 million they're over the cap," ? Say what?

edit: to clarify on that last statement, I have this: http://hoopshype.com/salaries/la_lakers.htm

That's 40 million over the cap number. Like I said, nearly 2 teams worth of cap. honestly, all I can say is

[image loading]
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slyboogie
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3423 Posts
August 13 2012 18:45 GMT
#1470
On August 14 2012 03:25 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2012 00:18 slyboogie wrote:
On August 13 2012 14:40 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Howard didn't lose any money, you're allowed to make a trade, regardless of salary cap, so long as the contract/s you're trading for don't exceed 125% of what you're trading off, I believe(there's more wording on the traded player exemption thing so I'm pretty sure this isn't COMPLETELY accurate but it's something similar to that). It's the softest cap imaginable and it's pretty outstanding how the Lakers have abused every cap stipulation to get nearly double the standard cap limit.


Considering the Lakers will be paying 4:1 on, about, the 20 million they're over the cap, I wouldn't call it particularly soft. I don't see why this is such a big deal. All of these stipulations exist for every single team in the NBA, they are equally accessible. The actual problems are, in no particular order: Over expansion, "hard" salary caps, maximum salaries. Not this big market/small market stuff.


Small market teams have small market owners who can't possibly take the luxury tax hits because they don't have billion dollar networking deals for being the Lakers. It's laughable to think of the NBA's cap situation is anything closely regarding equality or parity. But that's ok, the NBA is a different beast. Superstar driven league more attracted to big markets, and as many people are going to quickly point out THE KNICKS.

But the best part is I wasn't even making the well documented big vs small market argument. I was literally just lauding the Lakers for using the system better than any other team. I can't even compliment the Lakers without some whiteknighting.

Also the "20 million they're over the cap," ? Say what?

edit: to clarify on that last statement, I have this: http://hoopshype.com/salaries/la_lakers.htm

That's 40 million over the cap number. Like I said, nearly 2 teams worth of cap. honestly, all I can say is

[image loading]


So the fact that in 2013, they'll be paying $125-$160 million dollars in luxury taxes that will be dispersed to all those destitute multi-millionaires who don't break the cap for their teams says what? Not severe enough? How dare they reinvest their money!

God, if only Glen Taylor was worth 2 Billion dollars instead of 1.8 billion dollars, he could compete with the Lakers! I know that $400 million is a lot of money to be worth, but I totally see why Robert Sarver would sell those all those draft picks for cash. I mean, the Lakers are rolling in dough! It's not fair. Stupid NBA.
"We dug coal together." Boyd Crowder, Justified
MassHysteria
Profile Joined October 2010
United States3678 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-13 22:12:28
August 13 2012 22:11 GMT
#1471
Pretty good piece on the CBA and how it is changing the landscape. Some of these things are noticeable if you just pay attention the trends and have been following the NBA for some years, but it could still be a good, short read for people interested in the sort. http://offthedribble.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/08/10/n-b-a-s-new-market-begins-to-take-shape/?ref=basketball
"Just ban all the J's...even jinklejoes" --unnamed source
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
August 13 2012 23:16 GMT
#1472
On August 14 2012 00:08 krndandaman wrote:
for those on a tighter budget than most (college students) is it worth going to an NBA game live in a bad seat? (like $50-100)
As a huge NBA fan I really want to go see an NBA game live.. especially the Lakers. But the tickets are so expensive and I never liked the idea of watching the game from so far. I'm going to college in D.C and I'm considering buying tickets to a Wizards/Lakers game but its just so so expensive for mediocre seats. Is it worth it or should I just watch it at home and save up money for another time when I have a lot more money to spend and can get better seats (~$200).


I like the Verizon Center. Certain games you can get a ticket for like 5$ if you're a student and it's quite viewable, at least from the standards of someone who's never splurged on tickets for not-crappy seats.
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TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-14 03:50:08
August 14 2012 03:48 GMT
#1473
On August 14 2012 03:45 slyboogie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2012 03:25 TwoToneTerran wrote:
On August 14 2012 00:18 slyboogie wrote:
On August 13 2012 14:40 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Howard didn't lose any money, you're allowed to make a trade, regardless of salary cap, so long as the contract/s you're trading for don't exceed 125% of what you're trading off, I believe(there's more wording on the traded player exemption thing so I'm pretty sure this isn't COMPLETELY accurate but it's something similar to that). It's the softest cap imaginable and it's pretty outstanding how the Lakers have abused every cap stipulation to get nearly double the standard cap limit.


Considering the Lakers will be paying 4:1 on, about, the 20 million they're over the cap, I wouldn't call it particularly soft. I don't see why this is such a big deal. All of these stipulations exist for every single team in the NBA, they are equally accessible. The actual problems are, in no particular order: Over expansion, "hard" salary caps, maximum salaries. Not this big market/small market stuff.


Small market teams have small market owners who can't possibly take the luxury tax hits because they don't have billion dollar networking deals for being the Lakers. It's laughable to think of the NBA's cap situation is anything closely regarding equality or parity. But that's ok, the NBA is a different beast. Superstar driven league more attracted to big markets, and as many people are going to quickly point out THE KNICKS.

But the best part is I wasn't even making the well documented big vs small market argument. I was literally just lauding the Lakers for using the system better than any other team. I can't even compliment the Lakers without some whiteknighting.

Also the "20 million they're over the cap," ? Say what?

edit: to clarify on that last statement, I have this: http://hoopshype.com/salaries/la_lakers.htm

That's 40 million over the cap number. Like I said, nearly 2 teams worth of cap. honestly, all I can say is

[image loading]


So the fact that in 2013, they'll be paying $125-$160 million dollars in luxury taxes that will be dispersed to all those destitute multi-millionaires who don't break the cap for their teams says what? Not severe enough? How dare they reinvest their money!

God, if only Glen Taylor was worth 2 Billion dollars instead of 1.8 billion dollars, he could compete with the Lakers! I know that $400 million is a lot of money to be worth, but I totally see why Robert Sarver would sell those all those draft picks for cash. I mean, the Lakers are rolling in dough! It's not fair. Stupid NBA.


Yes, that's exactly how it is. It's not a matter of how severe the luxury tax is, it's literally a matter of an exploitable cap system, both on the soft limit and crappy salary floor system (allowed to sit below the floor until the end of the season, thus defeating the freaking point of a salary floor making teams actually attempt to spend money on putting out a respectable product for the season).

This is one of my problems with the NBA, I'm sorry if you disagree. Also, like I said, I wasn't even dissing the Lakers for all of this -- I was complimenting them, but you had to be all Glen Davis and take offense to it for some reason.
Remember Violet.
Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
August 14 2012 03:59 GMT
#1474
I honestly think both of you agree with each other's stance and are actually saying the same thing.

Honestly though, when people talk about franchises/ownership we usually refer to a person or persons. Rather, we use to do that. Now, the fact that the NBA has us talking about parity in terms of teams is a win for the owners.

I am firm believer that winning teams breeds fan loyalty and you will always turn a profit if you put out a good product (its not like any of the NBA teams are in like NOWHERE, USA). This also why I feel like the Clippers will never amount to anything greater than a playoff team as long as a certain person still owns them. Or why Dan Gilbert is a complete tool (among other reasons). Like I felt genuinely sorry for Houston this offseason as they actually tried to rebuild into a contender in the post-Yao era. Meanwhile you got the Wolves ownership doing god knows what with their drafts and offseason.
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icystorage
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Jollibee19350 Posts
August 14 2012 13:32 GMT
#1475
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BloodNinja
Profile Joined June 2010
United States2791 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-14 21:26:26
August 14 2012 21:26 GMT
#1476
On August 14 2012 02:03 krndandaman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2012 01:37 XaI)CyRiC wrote:
On August 14 2012 00:08 krndandaman wrote:
for those on a tighter budget than most (college students) is it worth going to an NBA game live in a bad seat? (like $50-100)
As a huge NBA fan I really want to go see an NBA game live.. especially the Lakers. But the tickets are so expensive and I never liked the idea of watching the game from so far. I'm going to college in D.C and I'm considering buying tickets to a Wizards/Lakers game but its just so so expensive for mediocre seats. Is it worth it or should I just watch it at home and save up money for another time when I have a lot more money to spend and can get better seats (~$200).


I don't know what the stadium is like in DC, but I would never recommend anyone ever pay to watch a Lakers or Clippers game in the Staples center in the 300 seating section where the "affordable" seats are. I've been up there and it's so high up it's hard to really see anything. Plus, the seats and stairs leading up to them are so steep that I get a feeling of vertigo when I stand up and look downwards. Totally not worth the money, and you'd be better off watching at home.

If the seats you're looking at in DC are anything like those, I'd recommend just saving the money and getting a better seat. You're missing out on a lot of the appeal of watching a basketball game live if you're so far away that you can't even tell the players apart.


thanks for the advice!
yeah that was what I was worried about. I guess my first NBA game will have to wait till next time.
I actually might be cursed though. Last year my friend and I bought tickets cheap (50%off) for a Magic vs Nets game a week early and guess what a freakin blizzard came and it got canceled. The next attempt was a Celtics vs Nets game and then my friend got hospitalized the day we were supposed to go (broken foot) so we just sold the tickets cheap. -_-


I live outside DC and haven't been to an NBA game live since it was the Bullets. However, I have seen a few Georgetown Hoyas games in the Verizon Center (aka the "Phone Booth"), so I can give some perspective on the views available. If you are interested in watching the game itself, the nose-bleed seats are probably too high up to really enjoy it. However, if you are going with friends and for the experience, you will probably have a great time with your friends and the people around you.

My only other advice would be keep an eye on Stubhub and other ticket re-sellers leading up to the game. There always a shot you could find some decent tickets at the last moment. I know there were tons of great tickets available last year versus plenty of good teams because the Wizards were so terrible.
Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
August 14 2012 21:47 GMT
#1477
50 bucks for a wizards game? Jesus they should be paying people to go to those games.
MassHysteria
Profile Joined October 2010
United States3678 Posts
August 14 2012 22:18 GMT
#1478
Only bc they know they have some rich people out in DC thats why :p
"Just ban all the J's...even jinklejoes" --unnamed source
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
August 14 2012 22:49 GMT
#1479
o_O You can get much, much cheaper seats for Verizon Center.
oraoraoraoraoraoraoraora
krndandaman
Profile Joined August 2009
Mozambique16569 Posts
August 14 2012 23:21 GMT
#1480
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