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MassHysteria
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MassHysteria
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edit: original source: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/writers/sam_amick/08/15/dwight-howard-rob-hennigan-orlando-magic/index.html?sct=nba_t11_a0 | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16071 Posts
The Rockets attempted to acquire either Dwight Howard or Andrew Bynum, but they were unwilling to give up as much via trade as has been previously reported. Houston was only offering two first round picks, though one would have come from the Raptors and has protections to make it more likely to be a lottery selection. Many had assumed the Rockets were also offering all three first round picks from 2012, but only Jeremy Lamb had been formally made available. Houston would only offer two players from a group that included Marcus Morris, Patrick Patterson, Jeremy Lamb, Terrence Jones, Royce White and Donatas Motiejunas. The Rockets also offered cap relief, but never the type that the Magic sought. "I enjoyed working with Rob on a potential deal," Daryl Morey told SI.com via text message. "He went with what was best for Orlando and over time people will see that he has made a good decision. He has a plan for Orlando and he has proved his ability to execute a plan to make franchises great from his time in San Antonio and Oklahoma City." Just to quote that article above. | ||
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Existential
Australia2107 Posts
On August 15 2012 22:41 Dante08 wrote: I know its kinda late, but can someone tell me why Knicks let Jeremy Lin go to Houston? Houston offered Lin a ridiculous contract worth ~$25 million over 3 years with ~$15 million of that contract to be paid in the 3rd year. With the new tax increases due to the new CBA. Knicks just weren't willing to match the offer sheet by Houston. | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16071 Posts
On August 17 2012 03:52 Existential wrote: Houston offered Lin a ridiculous contract worth ~$25 million over 3 years with ~$15 million of that contract to be paid in the 3rd year. With the new tax increases due to the new CBA. Knicks just weren't willing to match the offer sheet by Houston. Which was a genius move by Houston if I do say so myself. By catering to their chinese fan base they're going to make all that money they're paying him back and then some. | ||
XaI)CyRiC
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Zorkmid
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On August 17 2012 04:01 XaI)CyRiC wrote: Can anyone link me to a detailed breakdown or analysis of how D12 actually plays defense? I've seen the statistical analysis over and over again and I know generally how a super strong and athletic big man who can block shots is great since he can switch and/or recover on picks and operate as a mobile second line of defense, but I've yet to see a detailed breakdown or analysis of what he actually does to improve his team's defense so much. Defensive metrics are stupid for basketball, impossible to quantify via statistical models (people do try though). I think that the main things great defensive centres do are: 1. Alter shots at or near the rim. (blocks are just a bonus) 2. Force teams to shoot from the outside (mainly due to #1) 3. Allow their perimeter players to play more agressively (they'll have the confidence that if they get burned it's not finished). | ||
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Holcan
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Vindicare605
United States16071 Posts
On August 17 2012 04:16 Holcan wrote: yea, that's what every big should do, but what does dwight do that was worth giving up the most offensively talented center in the league. Guess we'll have to wait and find out. This season's going to be amazing if you're a Lakers fan. | ||
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seanisgrand
United States1039 Posts
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MassHysteria
United States3678 Posts
Only people who have seen Drew play everyday know what an upgrade this is lol. Drew still has more upside potential (he is only 24) but he has work to do and he definitely has to mature (not saying Howard is mature lol). He could do great with the right team around him ofc but he also has to show he can handle double-teams, etc. and still make the right play while being the man. Mainly what he will need to work on. He will do good if he can stay healthy but he will never be as athletic/ run a P&R/ or be able to play defense like Howard does imo. edit: also, I didn't know ORL came out with a $17million TPE from the trade :O | ||
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XaI)CyRiC
United States4471 Posts
On August 17 2012 04:16 Holcan wrote: yea, that's what every big should do, but what does dwight do that was worth giving up the most offensively talented center in the league. Generally, I would say that Dwight brings more consistent focus and energy on the court and is much more mobile and athletic, which makes him a much better defensive player with the way the league is going (small ball lineups a la OKC and MIA). He would also appear to mesh better with Nash, Kobe and Pau on offense since Bynum preferred to slowly back down players and use post moves while Dwight could be more of a low usage, quick-hitter on offense due to being more mobile/athletic. As much of a fan as I am of Bynum, I have difficulty with the description as most offensively talented center in the league. I would say Pau is more offfensively talented since he can face up, play with his back to the basket, shoot from the perimeter, and is a much better passer. Duncan, even at his age, is still more skilled and versatile on offense than Bynum. It gets even dicier if you open it up to PF/Cs like Aldridge or Bosh. Plus, a lot of what Bynum brings on offense is a result of his great size and strength, which I'm not sure qualifies as "talent" so much as natural ability, but that's just arguing terminology. I think it'd be easier to argue that Bynum is the most dominant big in the post in the NBA when it comes to one-on-one play in terms of combination of skill and physical ability. He has a lot of room for improvement, which I think he's capable of. He has developed a pretty consistent mid-range shot, and is a pretty good FT shooter for a big. He's not a bad passer as I've seen him pull off some nice dishes, and he improved at handling double teams in the post throughout last season. With him finally becoming a franchise player and number one option, as opposed to being in Kobe and others' shadows his whole career, he may finally be in the right place mentally to take the next steps to make him a more complete player. | ||
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GoShox
United States1842 Posts
The Mavs and Thunder are going to be playing here in Wichita. I expect to see a lot of Nick Collison and Cole Aldrich since they both played at KU and they'll want to play in front of their fans, but what should I be expecting as far as the starters and stuff? They play on October 23rd on believe, so will the fact that the season starts about a week later affect how hard they play? | ||
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MassHysteria
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Kazeyonoma
United States2912 Posts
On August 16 2012 00:19 krndandaman wrote: also yeah chicago pretty much lost their whole bench but did they do any signings? wondering how they're going to fill up the rest of the roster. would it be safe to say bulls will be 7/8 seed? I don't even think they'll make that... the east is pretty weak becides the Heat, so they might eek in an 8th seed but remember, Rose is done until probably march... that doesn't leave very much time for them to 'recoup' and try to push for the playoffs, without rose leading them with 20+ ppg, 6-8 apg, 1.6 3s pg, 1.5 spg, they're gonna be hard pressed to even compete with any of the better teams. like the Hawks, the Heat, the Celtics, the Sixers, and the Pacers. Who else do they have? Boozer? Deng? | ||
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Southlight
United States11768 Posts
On August 17 2012 04:16 Holcan wrote: yea, that's what every big should do, but what does dwight do that was worth giving up the most offensively talented center in the league. Bynum got exposed on pick and rolls and by big-men with mid-ranged shots last year. He had deficient footwork to go further out and then backpedal back to the rim in time. How much of that is physical limitation and how much of that is just lack of training in that area we don't know, but it was a glaring weakness that was abused every round. This was bad against every athletic big-man as well, as teams would just run a pick and roll further and further outside and mess with the Lakers' defense. Was pretty catastrophic. Dwight when healthy is obviously a big shotblocker but he had a footwork, the agility to defend a pick and roll and still make it all the way back. You won't find many big-men who can go from point A to point B faster than he can, and he has the length and leap to recover against a PnR guard who decides to try to spot up off the PnR if you go "under" the pick. Essentially he had the ridiculous ability to shut down a PnR solo, which limits options against his teams. That's on top of his "defensive anchor" position at the back if you don't run a PnR or take too much time after a PnR to set up a shot attempt. From a practical team defense standpoint what this does is give his teammates at least an inch of wiggle room to play more aggressively. For instance, one of the reasons why guards can't play too close (aside from the obvious blow-by factor, which Dwight also hampers) is because on a PnR if you're too close you can get owned by a well-set pick, especially if you don't realize it's coming. But with Dwight, who can essentially "cover you" and buy you time to get back on guard off a PnR, it doesn't matter, and you can play more aggressively. And if your man blows by you because you're too aggressive? Well Dwight's not going anywhere (unless he wants off your team lolol). The effect on team defense is just unparalleled in recent years, and arguably in a long, long time. Edit: Here's a good article explaining Bynum's rather catastrophic defense against top-notch players: http://nba-point-forward.si.com/2012/05/15/okc-exploits-andrew-bynums-weakness/ | ||
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MassHysteria
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krndandaman
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seiferoth10
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On August 17 2012 05:24 Southlight wrote: Bynum got exposed on pick and rolls and by big-men with mid-ranged shots last year. He had deficient footwork to go further out and then backpedal back to the rim in time. How much of that is physical limitation and how much of that is just lack of training in that area we don't know, but it was a glaring weakness that was abused every round. This was bad against every athletic big-man as well, as teams would just run a pick and roll further and further outside and mess with the Lakers' defense. Was pretty catastrophic. Dwight when healthy is obviously a big shotblocker but he had a footwork, the agility to defend a pick and roll and still make it all the way back. You won't find many big-men who can go from point A to point B faster than he can, and he has the length and leap to recover against a PnR guard who decides to try to spot up off the PnR if you go "under" the pick. Essentially he had the ridiculous ability to shut down a PnR solo, which limits options against his teams. That's on top of his "defensive anchor" position at the back if you don't run a PnR or take too much time after a PnR to set up a shot attempt. From a practical team defense standpoint what this does is give his teammates at least an inch of wiggle room to play more aggressively. For instance, one of the reasons why guards can't play too close (aside from the obvious blow-by factor, which Dwight also hampers) is because on a PnR if you're too close you can get owned by a well-set pick, especially if you don't realize it's coming. But with Dwight, who can essentially "cover you" and buy you time to get back on guard off a PnR, it doesn't matter, and you can play more aggressively. And if your man blows by you because you're too aggressive? Well Dwight's not going anywhere (unless he wants off your team lolol). The effect on team defense is just unparalleled in recent years, and arguably in a long, long time. Edit: Here's a good article explaining Bynum's rather catastrophic defense against top-notch players: http://nba-point-forward.si.com/2012/05/15/okc-exploits-andrew-bynums-weakness/ Very informative post, and I loled at the team hopping jab. | ||
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Zorkmid
4410 Posts
On August 17 2012 05:16 Kazeyonoma wrote: I don't even think they'll make that... the east is pretty weak becides the Heat, so they might eek in an 8th seed but remember, Rose is done until probably march... that doesn't leave very much time for them to 'recoup' and try to push for the playoffs, without rose leading them with 20+ ppg, 6-8 apg, 1.6 3s pg, 1.5 spg, they're gonna be hard pressed to even compete with any of the better teams. like the Hawks, the Heat, the Celtics, the Sixers, and the Pacers. Who else do they have? Boozer? Deng? I'm sad to say it, but after an injury like that, he's never going to be the same again. Even if he regains the same explosiveness, he won't be able to trust that knee anymore. | ||
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