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Holcan
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada2593 Posts
August 19 2012 08:50 GMT
#1541
They might just be doing the delayed sign and trade with Ibaka still, who knows.
Reference The Inadvertant Joey, Strong talented orchastrasted intelligent character.
krndandaman
Profile Joined August 2009
Mozambique16569 Posts
August 19 2012 20:34 GMT
#1542
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Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
August 22 2012 15:38 GMT
#1543
have fun guys

http://deadspin.com/5936638/ask-an-anonymous-pr-guy-about-the-shady-work-of-being-a-pro-athletes-publicist
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
August 22 2012 15:54 GMT
#1544
On August 23 2012 00:38 Ace wrote:
have fun guys

http://deadspin.com/5936638/ask-an-anonymous-pr-guy-about-the-shady-work-of-being-a-pro-athletes-publicist

the frequency of some of those questions...
LiquidDota StaffOnly a true king can play the King.
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
August 22 2012 16:20 GMT
#1545
Yea I know but what can you do :/
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
krndandaman
Profile Joined August 2009
Mozambique16569 Posts
August 22 2012 17:06 GMT
#1546
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Holcan
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada2593 Posts
August 22 2012 19:06 GMT
#1547
I'm on a mobile and can't see that dialogue, can someone copy a transcript or say something he mentioned that is intriguing.
Reference The Inadvertant Joey, Strong talented orchastrasted intelligent character.
MassHysteria
Profile Joined October 2010
United States3678 Posts
August 22 2012 19:36 GMT
#1548
On August 23 2012 04:06 Holcan wrote:
I'm on a mobile and can't see that dialogue, can someone copy a transcript or say something he mentioned that is intriguing.


ImTheOneWhoJohnnyKnoxyesterdayShare:


Lebron James is found with a dead hooker. Spin it!





AnonymousPRGuy@ImTheOneWhoJohnnyKnox23 hours agoShare:


LeBron finally comes through in the clutch

:D
"Just ban all the J's...even jinklejoes" --unnamed source
DMXD
Profile Joined February 2008
United States4064 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-22 22:36:01
August 22 2012 22:35 GMT
#1549
+ Show Spoiler +

Really nice highlight of Wilt Chamberlain from nba youtude.
Zorkmid
Profile Joined November 2008
4410 Posts
August 23 2012 13:41 GMT
#1550
I wanted to post a Charles Barkley mix video. It was set to "brain stew". I couldn't seem to find it!
GoShox
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States1845 Posts
August 24 2012 18:23 GMT
#1551
Anyone going to see Thunderstruck?

http://thunderstruck-movie.com/
XaI)CyRiC
Profile Joined October 2002
United States4471 Posts
August 24 2012 19:32 GMT
#1552
Just to spark some discussion in this thread, maybe we can get people's opinions on the following topics:

1. How do people see the Kings backcourt/wing rotation working out this coming season? Barring a trade, they're going to have a lot of players who can play those positions.

PG: Isaiah, Brooks, Thornton, Fredette
SG: Thornton, Fredette, Salmons, Tyreke, Garcia
SF: Salmons, Tyreke, Garcia, Johnson, Outlaw, TWill

2. What do people think of the Jazz frontcourt rotation? They've got two established great players in Millsap and AlJeff, but have two promising young players that they need to develop in Favors and Kanter. Does Millsap turning down an extension change anything?
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Holcan
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada2593 Posts
August 24 2012 21:12 GMT
#1553
I dont think theres much to talk about in with the Kings, their entire team has glaring weaknesses, and their coaching staff is mediocre, at best. They have a lot of middle talent, but very little top tier talent.


For the Jazz, I think that the entire team is quite well balanced, you have Mo Williams for the stretch point guard, and Earl Watson for the gritty PG. The wings look promising, but not complete with Burks, Hayward, Marvin Williams and Raja Bell. Then we get to what you were talking about, their front court. Definitely a top 5 front court in the league, with depth being a majour factor. I do think that Millsap not signing an extension will put him in the hot seat, at least in the medias eyes, and unless Utah gets off to a top 4 start, they will probably trade him before the deadline. I think the Jazz are on an upswing in momentum, and they would be silly to allow an asset like Millsap walk for free, and we have seen from their past, they are willing to let their best player go without batting an eye.
Reference The Inadvertant Joey, Strong talented orchastrasted intelligent character.
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
August 24 2012 21:50 GMT
#1554
Problem for the Jazz is they have to lose one of Millsap/Jefferson to make room for Favors. If Kanter doesn't pan out then they kind of get screwed. Really need to solidify their PG spot. If they trade Millsap/Jeff for a top tier PG who can shoot they would be a very good team.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
MassHysteria
Profile Joined October 2010
United States3678 Posts
August 28 2012 03:22 GMT
#1555
Ya, agreed about the Jazz above.

Had some extra reading time and found some great stuff on the Lakers and the Princeton offense for those interested and haven't seen them yet. First is Grantland's Pruiti on Total Breakdown with a good video of Jordan explaining the offense and a look into some plays he ran with Arenas and wizards.

The second is a pretty good video with some solid stats and logic about how the Lakers running the princeton O could look like.
"Just ban all the J's...even jinklejoes" --unnamed source
Holcan
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada2593 Posts
August 28 2012 19:14 GMT
#1556
www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/y03h8/dwight_howards_role_in_the_princeton_offense/


this guy does a good job at analyzing the strategy behins plays, the above is input on dwights impact on the lakers princeton offense. below is general princeton plays.

www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/xgatf/princeton_chin_series_plays_potential_lakers_plays/


and his blogspot link to the timberwolves offense if anyone wants more analysis

analyzetheoffense.blogspot.ca/2012/01/small-market-series-pt-2-minnesota.html
Reference The Inadvertant Joey, Strong talented orchastrasted intelligent character.
MassHysteria
Profile Joined October 2010
United States3678 Posts
September 05 2012 21:14 GMT
#1557
SBNation has the best basketball strategy-related articles of the summer so far (imo). An in-depth look at how 3-pointers affect team performance. They are doing a week-long thing I guess if you(ya, you) hadn't caught it.
Monday: Deep Shooting is Even More Important Tthan You Think+ Show Spoiler +
Sep 3, 2012 - For so long in the NBA, controlling the paint meant controlling the game. Dominant centers ruled the roost. We know that's no longer the case. Not only has there been a shortage of good centers over the past decade or so, the game has changed as the three-point shot has become more and more popular. Not even centers, let alone entire teams, focus on getting only the easiest shots: everyone has stretched their game away from the rim.

That shows up in a quick study of how shot ranges correlated with shooting efficiency last season. The excellent Hoopdata.com has a stat called expected effective field goal percentage. As a whole the league shoots better on shots at the rim than anywhere, and by virtue of being worth three points, three-pointers result in higher effective field goal percentage than two-pointers. Expected eFG takes each team's shot profile -- the share of its shots the team takes at close range, mid-range, etc. -- and estimates the team's eFG had it shot league average at each range. This gives you a number for which to compare teams' shot selection based on range.

Here's an example: 41.7 percent of Denver's shots last season came at the rim, where the league shoots 62.6 percent on average. The Nuggets took 12.4 percent of their shots at the short range (3-10 feet), where the league shoots 37.6 percent. Denver took 6.2 percent of its shots in the mid-range (10-15 feet), where the league shoots 38.3 percent. The Nuggets took 15.3 percent of their shots in the long two-point range, where league average shooting is 38.1 percent. And finally, 24.3 percent of Denver's shots were three-pointers, where the league average eFG is 52.3 percent. (eFG is figured by multiplying three-pointers made by 0.5, adding that to field goals made and dividing the sum by field goal attempts.)

Expected eFG (XeFG) is then the weighted sum of that shot profile using Denver's actual shot profile and the league average conversion rates. (For the Nuggets, it comes out to 51.7 percent, tops in the league.) Using XeFG, we can compare and grade shot selection as it pertains to range: Denver, for instance, has a really smart shot profile. It takes most of its shots at the rim (the most efficient place on the court) and beyond the arc (the second most efficient place on the court), and minimizes the least efficient ranges (everything in between).

But as we'll see in the chart below, shot profiles aren't everything. Plenty of teams actually shot well with bad profiles, and a few teams even shot poorly with strong profiles.

[table image here-look on the site]

This is a standard quadrant map. Our XeFG is on the x axis, with better figures to the right. Actual eFG is on the y axis, with better numbers toward the top. Teams landing in the top right quadrant had good shot profiles by range and good shooting performance. In the bottom right, these teams had good shot profiles but poor actual shooting. In the top left: bad range profiles, good shooting performance. Bottom left: below average XeFG and eFG. (Notice Charlotte. Man, the Bobcats were bad. News at 11.)



You may notice a positive linear relationship here, which is to say that XeFG and eFG do have a relationship: teams with better XeFGs are likely to have better eFGs. The correlation coefficient is actually 0.34, which is non-negligible. Assuming a linear relationship, it indicates that about 11 percent of a team's shooting performance is explained by at what range they take their shots.

But when you break it down further, it becomes apparent what really matters.

If you look at the correlation between shot rate at each of Hoopdata's specific ranges, we'll see that the two efficient zones are not created equal. The percentage of a team's field goals taken at the rim has a small positive (0.06) correlation with actual eFG. That's essentially negligible. But the percentage of a team's field goals taken from beyond the arc has a 0.48 correlation coefficient with eFG. Assuming a linear relationship, that indicates that about 23 percent of a team's actual shooting percentage is explained solely by how frequently the team takes three-pointers.

Three-pointers rule the land. It's also worth nothing the biggest problem with long-two pointers: that they are not three-pointers. The share of FGAs taken as long two-pointers has a -0.44 relationship with actual eFG. Shot shares at the two other inefficient ranges -- short and mid -- also have negative relationships with actual eFG, but with much, much smaller correlation coefficients. Why are long two-pointers such a problem? Check out the correlation between rate of long twos and rate of threes: -0.57. In other words, very few teams take lots of long twos and lots of three-pointers. So every long two is basically a three-pointer not taken. And three-pointers are important.

You'd need to run a regression analysis on free agent contracts to be sure, but I'd venture to say that if there's a current market inefficiency in the NBA, it'd be that shooters aren't valued highly enough. Where's Travis Diener when you need him?

Tuesday: Bombs Away: Judging NBA Team...
Today: (has links to previous articles) Not All Shooters Are Created Equal
"Just ban all the J's...even jinklejoes" --unnamed source
MassHysteria
Profile Joined October 2010
United States3678 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-11 21:42:05
September 11 2012 21:30 GMT
#1558
SVG and Bill Simmons to replace Broussard and Barry on the NBA show. At least somewhat of an improvement imo.

edit: Zach Lowe of the Point-Forward(SI NBA blog) is moving to grantland.
"Just ban all the J's...even jinklejoes" --unnamed source
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
September 11 2012 22:17 GMT
#1559
wait what seriously?
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
Holcan
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada2593 Posts
September 11 2012 22:21 GMT
#1560
I've heard that simmons and stan van were on the show, but I had not who they were replacing. this is really good, I enjoy magic, and don't mind wilbon, but broussard and barry really turned me off of the analysis. they still won't rival tnt imo, but they definitely uped their quality.
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