EPTNBA Offseason 2012 - Page 46
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jtbem
Canada1404 Posts
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Doraemon
Australia14949 Posts
On July 16 2012 12:18 shawster wrote: speaking of phoenix, does anyone know if eric gordon is gonna stay with the hornets? i mean the hornets matched the offer but last i heard he was unhappy about that hornets matched so gordon has to stay. he was a restricted free agent. | ||
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Sadist
United States7239 Posts
His ex-wife is supposedly batshit insane as well. | ||
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shawster
Canada2485 Posts
On July 16 2012 12:23 Doraemon wrote: hornets matched so gordon has to stay. he was a restricted free agent. yeah i was wondering if he was demanding a trade or not from NO. lol beasley signed with the suns? man im out of the loop... | ||
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krndandaman
Mozambique16569 Posts
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
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Leyra
United States1222 Posts
Thanks for info, seems like a really nice deal for Phoenix. Not sure how far they're going, but <5m/year for Scola seems like a bargain to me. Not a star but a solid player. | ||
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
On July 16 2012 13:38 Itsmedudeman wrote: So today I learned KD is actually 6'11. Why the hell does the NBA not get these facts straight? I think he was 6-9 1/2 when he was drafted and maybe they just haven't updated their measurables and he's grown a couple inches. We all know Lebron is 6'8 and KD's noticeably taller. | ||
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Holcan
Canada2593 Posts
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Zorkmid
4410 Posts
On July 16 2012 13:48 TwoToneTerran wrote: I think he was 6-9 1/2 when he was drafted and maybe they just haven't updated their measurables and he's grown a couple inches. We all know Lebron is 6'8 and KD's noticeably taller. Pretty close to the same height, give or take an inch or 2 | ||
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AntiGrav1ty
Germany2310 Posts
http://espn.go.com/new-york/nba/story/_/id/8168735/ian-oconnor-new-york-knicks-match-houston-rockets-offer-jeremy-lin I tend to agree with what he says. The way it stands right now the Knicks are an awful team just like they were at the beginning of last season. | ||
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Jerubaal
United States7684 Posts
A warrant has been issued for the padding. As far as the Javale McGee contract, those deals stand in stark contrast to the seeming inability of teams to retain star players. Maybe when you have a team full of nobodies like Denver, you really want to hold on to whatever it is you happen to have. | ||
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MassHysteria
United States3678 Posts
btw Ian Thomsen on the main reason why he thinks this '12 squad would lose to the 92 squad (SI). Not the most complete article (I think my post that got deleted would have been better tbh) but it touches on the other side of the argument that no one did in the thread before. My post was less biased and more thoughtful than Thomsen's piece, but this hits about 10% of what I had in there lol. | ||
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MassHysteria
United States3678 Posts
Random Thought while reading/coffee: IF the Suns sign OJ Mayo, depending on his $$, they will have a pretty nice under-the-cap team imo. PG: Dragic, Marshall, Telfair SG: Mayo, Dudley, Telfair SF: Beasley, Landry(?), Morris PF: Scola, Morris, Frye C: Gortat, Frye I only put players that are already signed or confirmed. They can still sign Brown and Lopez if they want to, but if they don't overspend on Mayo it will be good value all around. Good contracts for most of these players and some of them are usable as trade bait. They also have some picks coming up so they can start rebuilding which is what they want. A decently exciting team to watch-- for a rebuilding one with no defense that is, which will also be able to stay in the lottery in the West. | ||
XaI)CyRiC
United States4471 Posts
On July 17 2012 00:40 MassHysteria wrote: nah $10 mil for McGee isn't even that bad when compared to other contracts imo. It was one of the few moves of the offseason that I just saw as a "normal" one if you will. It would be foolish for me to think that they didn't take into consideration who they could get instead of McGee though, but probably didn't see too many appealing options at a better value with the same kind of possible upside. btw Ian Thomsen on the main reason why he thinks this '12 squad would lose to the 92 squad (SI). Not the most complete article (I think my post that got deleted would have been better tbh) but it touches on the other side of the argument that no one did in the thread before. My post was less biased and more thoughtful than Thomsen's piece, but this hits about 10% of what I had in there lol. I'm sorry, but I don't buy it. He just makes a conclusive statement that the 92 team would "smother them in the post" without explaining how. There's no discussion of individual matchups, lineups, offensive spacing, how the 92 team is going to defend, etc. There's no mention of Bird barely being able to get himself up and down the court, of Stockton being injured, and Mullin being unable to guard anyone on the 2012 team. There's no mention of the lack of 3pt shooting by the 92 squad to spread the floor on offense. There's no mention of the advances in defense from 92 to the present, how traditional post play just isn't as effective under the international/olympics rules, the advances in physical training and conditioning over the years, etc. My biggest problem is that the pro-Dream Team people aren't saying the game would be close, or that it'd be hard-fought. By and large, you've got the members of the team (Jordan and Barkley) and guys like Thomsen saying that the 2012 team would have no chance, they'd be outmatched, it's laughable that the 2012 team would be able to beat them, etc. "Smother them in the post"? Really? I'd really like to hear how that would be accomplished. Somehow the 92 team would just methodically back the 2012 team down in the post possession after possession and wear them down? Barkley would dominate in the post offensively despite Team USA having a guy like Lebron who is even more physically imposing and gifted who could have guarded him and run circles around him on the other end? Robinson and Ewing would have just repeatedly scored in the post with guys like D12 and Chandler guarding them, and help defense waiting from one of the most athletic and quickest rosters we've ever seen that includes perimeter players like Iguodala and Westbrook who are capable of blocking 7 footers with ease? Magic and Bird would have dominated the post while dealing with HIV and a year off from basketball or a debilitating back injury against vastly superior athletes? People need to realize that the Dream Team was not a well-constructed team and was as successful as it was because it was facing vastly inferior competition. The team also included players that were just not in their physical prime, many of whom were far from it and injured, which would be a huge disadvantage when going up against a young, healthy and athletic team like the 2012 team. Was it a great team? Yes! Definitely. Would it have dominated the 2008 and 2012 teams? I have yet to see any convincing evidence that would suggest anything close to it. If anything, all the evidence points to them struggling against the newer teams. | ||
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XaI)CyRiC
United States4471 Posts
On July 17 2012 02:02 MassHysteria wrote: actually prob about 5-10%... Random Thought while reading/coffee: IF the Suns sign OJ Mayo, depending on his $$, they will have a pretty nice under-the-cap team imo. PG: Dragic, Marshall, Telfair SG: Mayo, Dudley, Telfair SF: Beasley, Landry(?), Morris PF: Scola, Morris, Frye C: Gortat, Frye I only put players that are already signed or confirmed. They can still sign Brown and Lopez if they want to, but if they don't overspend on Mayo it will be good value all around. Good contracts for most of these players and some of them are usable as trade bait. They also have some picks coming up so they can start rebuilding which is what they want. A decently exciting team to watch-- for a rebuilding one with no defense that is, which will also be able to stay in the lottery in the West. It looks a lot like the Rockets 2.0, i.e. lots of affordable talent with no true stars or chance at really doing any damage. They'd have to hope they can draft a franchise player, lure one there later in free agency (tough since PHO isn't really seen as a desirable destination for stars unless they're injured), or trade for a disgruntled/dissatisfied one who is going to walk out on his team by offering nice rebuild assets like affordable talent and picks. I'm not clear on what picks they've traded for, but I don't think this team is bad enough to land them a lottery pick, which makes them seem even more like the Rockets 2.0. | ||
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XaI)CyRiC
United States4471 Posts
http://hoopspeak.com/2011/04/the-dream-of-the-90s-is-alive-in-memphis/ http://hoopspeak.com/2012/05/you-cant-just-throw-it-in-the-post/ | ||
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rei
United States3594 Posts
On July 16 2012 22:09 AntiGrav1ty wrote: Lin is out of New York. I found this article to be pretty interesting: http://espn.go.com/new-york/nba/story/_/id/8168735/ian-oconnor-new-york-knicks-match-houston-rockets-offer-jeremy-lin I tend to agree with what he says. The way it stands right now the Knicks are an awful team just like they were at the beginning of last season. If they play defense like they did under woodson for that last stretch of games last season, they should be able to win at least 50. | ||
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MassHysteria
United States3678 Posts
On July 17 2012 04:02 XaI)CyRiC wrote: It looks a lot like the Rockets 2.0, i.e. lots of affordable talent with no true stars or chance at really doing any damage. They'd have to hope they can draft a franchise player, lure one there later in free agency (tough since PHO isn't really seen as a desirable destination for stars unless they're injured), or trade for a disgruntled/dissatisfied one who is going to walk out on his team by offering nice rebuild assets like affordable talent and picks. I'm not clear on what picks they've traded for, but I don't think this team is bad enough to land them a lottery pick, which makes them seem even more like the Rockets 2.0. I was actually gonna throw in a sentence that it was just like the Rockets again chasing 9th place. But I actually like this one better b/c they are what they are. They aren't going to try to make a splash and they aren't acting like they are a playoff team. I just like how they did it from a financial standpoint bc they are smart signings of some players with upside potential. This is all just imagining they sign Mayo to a good-value contract though. He hasn't chosen where to go. He could go to Lakers or somewhere else, which I would prob go run around happy overhere for a while. As for the dream team debate, ugh that's why I shouldn't even have posted that. It is just a tad of other perspective which I already pointed out its flaws if you read my post. I don't want to waste time rewriting some stuff on it really after my post got erased but I might try to put some stuff really concisely into a post in a bit if I have the time. edit: and motivation b/c I know I am gonna have to answer back and forth for a while with how this is going lol | ||
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Holcan
Canada2593 Posts
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