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MassHysteria
Profile Joined October 2010
United States3678 Posts
July 16 2012 19:56 GMT
#921
Ya I think you are right, unless he takes the mid-level exception, which means he was willing to give up some $$ somewhere else for a chance with a contender.
"Just ban all the J's...even jinklejoes" --unnamed source
Holcan
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada2593 Posts
July 16 2012 20:22 GMT
#922
he is already on a contender, and every other team I've heard him linked to, boston, chicago, are also contenders. (boston needs to aquire JET through a s&t to go back after mayo). if he can get paid and still be on a contender, I don't see him taking less money for a nominal increase in chances.
Reference The Inadvertant Joey, Strong talented orchastrasted intelligent character.
MassHysteria
Profile Joined October 2010
United States3678 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-16 20:57:53
July 16 2012 20:29 GMT
#923
Well then my statement is true for those teams as well if he takes less. I was just answering the question as-is which was aimed only at Lakers but you would be right if he does that also.

edit: he was also linked to Phoenix, BOS is definitely a major player in this though imo (more than Lakers). If anything I am all for him getting the most money where he would have the most playing time. It is what his agent should be telling him at this point in his career and what I would do if I were him.
"Just ban all the J's...even jinklejoes" --unnamed source
slyboogie
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3423 Posts
July 16 2012 20:54 GMT
#924
On July 17 2012 05:22 Holcan wrote:
he is already on a contender, and every other team I've heard him linked to, boston, chicago, are also contenders. (boston needs to aquire JET through a s&t to go back after mayo). if he can get paid and still be on a contender, I don't see him taking less money for a nominal increase in chances.


A contender that didn't even offer him the qualifying! That's just rude - there's no way he's going to stay. No contender is going to have the money to give him what he would have gotten on the QO (about seven and a half, I think.) So Mid-Level is the best he'll get on a contender. Mini-Mid from a serious contender. Otherwise just sign a 4 year, 31 million deal with Phoenix.
"We dug coal together." Boyd Crowder, Justified
Holcan
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada2593 Posts
July 16 2012 21:50 GMT
#925
I just don't think winning is a huge priority for him, I think we all agree that at this point in his career he should be looking for the money. if he goes to the lakers, it will be for the media exposure rather than the contending factor, imo.
Reference The Inadvertant Joey, Strong talented orchastrasted intelligent character.
MassHysteria
Profile Joined October 2010
United States3678 Posts
July 16 2012 21:54 GMT
#926
ya, I agree Holcan. I didn't want to say that in my argument b/c I didn't want people saying lakers bias, etc. but I think that's a plus also.
"Just ban all the J's...even jinklejoes" --unnamed source
slyboogie
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3423 Posts
July 16 2012 23:08 GMT
#927
Antwan Jamison to Lakers.
"We dug coal together." Boyd Crowder, Justified
Chunhyang
Profile Joined December 2011
Bangladesh1389 Posts
July 16 2012 23:21 GMT
#928
On July 15 2012 23:10 AntiGrav1ty wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2012 22:54 Chunhyang wrote:
They just don't wanna overpay. Lin, Fields.

Btw, Kurt & Camby & Felton back, + no more Jeffries? Kidd too? Good moves!


Good moves? Felton just had the worst year of his carreer and 3 fossils are not gonna help them get past first round in the playoffs with this roster. With fields they lost a slasher and their primary wing defender and Jeffries was pretty good for the intangibles.

I understand that they don't want to overpay Lin and Fields but they aren't even close to being a contender like this. People keep forgetting how awful the Knicks were without Linsanity last year.


We all know that Felton is actually a really good player. Felton playing badly last year just means Knicks get him really cheap. Stock market-like: when a stock's price drops, the common man wants to sell, the rich man wants to buy.

Lin was very very good last year, but not worth thirty million on the books, in three years, I think? Plus, most of that winning, I swear to God, was because Amare was injured. Fields is also great, and I think worth the 7mil a year, but only WP among the stats agrees with that sentiment. They backed off maybe because his Sophomore slump was relatively slump-ier than most players.

Jeffries sucks.

Kurt + Camby are cheap big men. Who love NY. Being big men, they have multiple effective seasons left in their tanks. And them playing means less Amare. God I hope they trade Amare, or that he starts playing at least average. Maybe Kidd will turn Amare back into a monster, who knows.
If you could reason with haters, there would be no haters. YGTMYFT
Holcan
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada2593 Posts
July 16 2012 23:39 GMT
#929
Camby is still good for about 20 minutes a game, Kurt Thomas is good for 6 fouls, but will probably only get the minutes to foul once. Their playing doesn't mean less Amare, as they arent really serviceable at the four spot, Camby has about the same level of lateral quickness as Amare, and Kurt Thomas is just old, he will be 40 at the start of the season.

Felton was only ever good under Mike D'Antoni, under another PG dominated offense he sucked. He is fine in transition, and plays fine PnR, but he isn't stellar in either location, and in a half court offense he is slow, and often makes the incorrect decision, or misses his window of opportunity.

And Lin is worth 30 million in jersey and ticket sales alone, never mind the fact he will probably be close to voted into the all star game from Chinese fans. If you think Lin is expensive for 25 million, Felton for 7.5 million (near the same price) is not worth it.
Reference The Inadvertant Joey, Strong talented orchastrasted intelligent character.
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
July 16 2012 23:41 GMT
#930
The problem with Felton is the Knicks are in "Win Now" mode, and Felton is not as good as Lin was last year.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
July 16 2012 23:58 GMT
#931
this must be the worst win now team in the league
slyboogie
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3423 Posts
July 17 2012 00:04 GMT
#932
Well, there's that other team in New York...
"We dug coal together." Boyd Crowder, Justified
XaI)CyRiC
Profile Joined October 2002
United States4471 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-17 00:18:33
July 17 2012 00:17 GMT
#933
I think NY is in a tough position because Lin is an unheard of type of player. There's never been a player who has made as big an impact in as small an amount of games after having being non-existent previously. His potential off-court value is so high that it could arguably justify overpaying him as a player.

However, there are no guarantees that his off-court value stays so high, particularly if he regresses to the mean and becomes a very average player next season. He pulled in a lot of casual fans during Linsanity, but those will be the first fans to leave once they get bored of him. If he doesn't perform to expectations, then NY will have to pay a lot of salary and luxury tax for someone who could end up being no better than a backup PG. The fact that the Knicks are so committed to Melo and Amare only makes it riskier because they are virtually guaranteed to prevent Lin from realizing his full potential simply due to how they play (iso-heavy and ball-dominating).

Personally, I think Houston pulled off a brilliant move by making it so hard for the Knicks to match. Lin will likely be worth the money he'll be getting paid by the Rockets due to the large Chinese population there, and their lack of any other star player to take the ball out of his hands. Even if Houstin ends up landing D12 or Bynum, they're close to the perfect type of players to pair up with a guy like Lin. They can afford the gamble because both the on-court and off-court circumstances make their worst case scenario a lot more palatable. I hope Lin ends up in Houston because I think his humble manner will suit the organization better, the fans will embrace him and stay loyal to him (unlike fickle NY fans), and he'll be more likely to reach his full potential on that roster than while playing next to Melo and Amare.
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MassHysteria
Profile Joined October 2010
United States3678 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-17 00:20:56
July 17 2012 00:18 GMT
#934
No. Brooklyn with the addition of Stackhouse now. Clearly NY's #1 team now. (/sarcasm)
edit: thought I was in b4 cyric post ^^
"Just ban all the J's...even jinklejoes" --unnamed source
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
July 17 2012 00:29 GMT
#935
Brazil so much fun to watch vs USA
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
MassHysteria
Profile Joined October 2010
United States3678 Posts
July 17 2012 00:50 GMT
#936
oh snap forgot about that...espn3 is beatiful.
"Just ban all the J's...even jinklejoes" --unnamed source
andrewlt
Profile Joined August 2009
United States7702 Posts
July 17 2012 01:04 GMT
#937
Team USA's timing and communication is still a bit off. It's better than some of the atrociously constructed teams of pouting players last decade, but they are clearly not as in sync as their international competition. Fortunately, international players are nowhere close in dribbling ability.
tiffany
Profile Joined November 2003
3664 Posts
July 17 2012 01:15 GMT
#938
how is stackhouse still in the league, dude's a fossil

"If he doesn't perform to expectations, then NY will have to pay a lot of salary and luxury tax for someone who could end up being no better than a backup PG."

yes, they'd be overpaying for the player, but still heavily underpaying for the brand. from a monetary standpoint, signing Lin isn't even a question, he added something like 500M to MSG's market cap
DongLongJohnson
Profile Joined July 2012
Germany143 Posts
July 17 2012 01:16 GMT
#939
On July 17 2012 09:18 MassHysteria wrote:
No. Brooklyn with the addition of Stackhouse now. Clearly NY's #1 team now. (/sarcasm)
edit: thought I was in b4 cyric post ^^


Who cares who is better in NY, both teams are terrible and will be eliminated in the first round.
RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13293 Posts
July 17 2012 01:37 GMT
#940
So what can our Euro fans tell us about two bigs: Montiejunas and Valančiūnas? There's a bit about Sabonis in Montie for me but I'm not sure about Valančiūnas. There's a lot of hype about him, but I've heard he's a bit soft? How do people think they will both go in the NBA?
"Terrans are pretty much space-Australians" - H
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